Police in Folsom shot and killed a 23-year-old Korean-American during an altercation:
Family members said they called police saying the man, identified as 23-year-old Joseph Han, was not acting like himself and locked himself in a bedroom.
Police said the Han approached them with an 8-inch long knife before he was hit with a Taser twice and then fired two shots.
Han was transported to UC David Medical Center where he succumbed to his injuries a short time later.
According to NoCut News (Korean), quoting the Korean-American association of Sacramento and the Korean consulate in San Francisco, Han had become absorbed in a “particular religion” after graduating from UC Irvine and was showing signs of depression. The piece also say Han was placed in handcuffs after he was Tazed; when he recovered and resisted again, he was shot.
The Korean-American association of Sacramento believes the police response to have been excessive and are demanding in investigation.
Marmot’s Note: He was shot after he was placed in handcuffs? Either I’m not getting the whole story (quite possible), or police went overboard here.
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Taser used up, psycho in the midst of civilians (not in the car yet, so likely freaking out in the house).
The kid pushed his luck…. after getting tasered is not a good time to keep going after guys with guns.
Indeed, compliance is paramount. Everyone in America MUST comply–even the mentally ill. If not, be shot! It is for our own safety, after all.
Where does it say he was handcuffed? I watched the (English) video and it didn’t mention handcuffs. Did the Korean site mention him being cuffed?
UC Irvine? It’s a hotbed of radical Islamic student groups. I would not be surprised at all if this were the “particular religion” they mention.
It’s OK, the officer was probably just reaching for his tazer and accidentally the handgun, woops, LOL, no biggie…
It’s not like shooting restrained individuals is becoming a past-time: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CR.....index.html
The “particular religion” could just as easily be some spaceship cult, The Moonies, or Pentecostals… it’s Wacky California, after all…
wait, so the parents called police to help them deal with their son, and the police came, got shit scared and murdered their son.
not doing that again.
the smartest guys are not becoming police officers, for certain. They barely make it to graduation in college.
when it comes to ‘helping’ people, I doubt the utility of police officers or their helpfulness in key situations.
it is false admiration and false advertising for themselves or others to say police officers ‘help’ people.
no, no, no. Their primary job is to ‘enforce the existing law.’ And as a by product, they may or may not help people.
i never quite understood why
‘officer down’
is somehow more alarm raising and more important than
‘citizen down’.
Cops are just another street gang but with badges to go with their guns that give them authority to harass, injure and kill Americans.
Living in Korea with a Security clearance to maintain I keep my nose clean here but I am a biker so I’m harassed quite often in the States because of the stigma attached to someone like me with a 3-piece patch on my back riding a chopper. So because of my treatment in the past even-though I’m respectful, I have no use for nor have much respect for law enforcement.
Of course I’m more of the anarchist leanings of laissez-faire free markets and I believe the Federal Register of laws would cause the founding fathers of our great country heads’ to explode there is some need for other citizens to have LE.
Rant over.
Sad.
After the last incident with the Korean lady, the Oakland subway shooting, and this gem,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIedW4HG5gE
you think people in California might think twice about pissing the police off. I’m not saying the police are right by the way.
Ironically (because these guys had weapons and didn’t get shot, granted they were air pistols, but can you imagine this in California it’d be a blood bath) noticed this:
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-new.....es-2640701
After the student stabbing the teacher and this b.s. Koreans might start getting a rep in NZ and that pisses me off because I have some Korean mates coming to visit and some to hopefully study and I don’t want people looking at them sideways because of these ass bites.
WJK It’s alarming because someone clearly has to be crazy to fire at the police in California.
Dear wrenchbender: all those dudes on Wall Street were just another street gang with suits and embossed business cards to give them authority to harass and impoverish Americans.
How did they get that authority? They convinced your lawmakers that laissez-faire markets can govern themselves.
To continue the analogy – it would have been alright if they kept to their private equity firms and hedge funds, but they had to get control of the banks that everyday people use, too. That made them dangerous.
If I were a cop, I’d leave you alone if the way you rode showed respect for the fact that we all have to use the roads. But if you used your chopper for Mach speed tests in school zones…you see where I’m going.
Linkd, Yeah you may be right on that but what’s happening now is the correction of their greed. Not only are we impoverished, Not me personally just a little down, but their pocketbooks are hit too.
I know that Madoff made off (lol) with some monies for a long time but his deck of cards came crashing down, along with the people who invested with him. Banks were also forced to buy into this BS creative financing with people who had no business buying homes with 5 year ARMs. Passed off to Freddie and Fanny and made into credit derivatives and ended up as treasury notes sold to the Chicom’s. blah blah blah bu fuckin blah…. It’s too many people doing too much stuff with no or other peoples money. Stick to your own money, do your due dilligence if you’re gonna invest and keep your ass outta debt and as long as you don’t lose your job to a layoff things are just fine… bubbles are corrections and the gubment was helping the companies into the bubble, that’s not Laissez-Faire. And niether is all this pansy bleeting like sheep begging for handout money from the new imperial Federal Gubment slave master fund.
As I said before, I’m a Biker and a member of a Motorcycle club so I’m automatically viewed with extreem suspicion by Law Dogs. I can be bee-bopping down an Interstate and get some local yokel deputy jackass stopping me for some BS when I was minding my own business and not speeding looking for any reason to jack me up or any reason to write at least 3 tickets on me. Looking at frame and engine numbers because of suspicion of motorcycle theft when I bought it when it was new to impound it yada yada yada.
When you look like a normal citizen all you have to worry about is getting cought speeding and getting a ticket, When you throw a leather vest on with patches and ride a Harley or Indian you incur the wrath of Johnny Law for no reason other than being one of those dirty bikers.
SO the feeling is mutual. They don’t like me, I don’t like them.
A lot of the guys I know personally that are cops were guys that were picked on in school, they became cops and get off on the power trip they had. There might be some good ones here and there but for the most part they’re dicks because they can.
That’s where I differ, I hate authority of any type. I grew up in an extreemly authoritarian house where I was forced and beaten and I gave it back as good as I got when I was older. I like being left alone to my own devices and believe others should be left alone too. I have character and believe in doing the right thing when no one is looking, I will give the shirt off my back and the last dollar in my wallet to someone in need.
OK I’m way off topic and opened myself up as far as I’d like to go.
But you’ve asked for the harassment, so you can hardly resent it when it comes. You must enjoy it.
I’ve ridden a motorcycle for 10 years, but I’m not a biker. A biker is a brand, and you have taken that brand upon yourself. You know what that brand is:
“I have no stake in the system. I reject the system. I may not have an illegal weapon on me, but I know where to get one. I may not be smuggling drugs right now, but I know people who do. I call them my friends. I do not respect authority. I believe that anarchy would be a better way to operate society than the system that is now in place.”
You say all of that when you put on the leather. The police, by definition, are supposed to uphold and preserve the system. By harassing every biker they come in contact with, even if they are clean at the moment, they know that you carry the message back to your tribe that authority demands their respect, and getting out of line will have consequences.
You may say that none of the illegal stuff applies directly to you and it’s unfair to tar you with that brush. That may be so, but you know you share that brand with the illegal members of your tribe, and you have willingly taken on that brand and display it publicly. You could, if you wanted, drive a different sort of bike and wear different clothes when you ride it. You don’t – and you therefore invite the consequences, and therefore, on some level, you must enjoy the consequences.
Linkd,
You are an aggressive Keynesian. But what can one expect from a Canadian?
You’re right I guess I do but it still doesn’t change the fact that I dislike cops and think that two people were needlessly killed by their mistakes of using too much force for the situation. Come on, a young 20 something kid with a knife they tazed him twice then shot him twice. They should have been able to subdue him after the 2nd taze.
The woman driver could have been stopped without shooting her while she was in the car.
This is rediculous.
Am I, WangKon? I’d have to hit the Wiki and read up before agreeing or disagreeing.
Is this Keynesian? Cuz it sounds pretty good:
“They should have been able to subdue him after the 2nd taze. The woman driver could have been stopped without shooting her while she was in the car.This is rediculous.”
Well at least you’ve owned up to the fact that your opinion is ridiculous.
The investigation is ongoing. If there was wrongdoing, it will emerge, but given the dearth of facts in these cases, it is unwarrented to jump to conclusions based soley on admitted personal prejudices.
# 17,
Errrr… nevermind.
#16 The woman driver could have been stopped without shooting her while she was in the car.
And if the woman crashed and killed someone before the cops shot her then the public would have been crying fowl on the police for an innocent life being taken by the bad driver.
If the woman shows that little respect for herself and for her child and for others around her (she could have easily killed other people) then it’s justified for the police to stop her by any means necessary.
And what people forget is how long these chases go on for sometimes. Highly doubtful it was a 3 minute chase.
Yeah, they probably would have said that the police were a bunch of chickens.
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