Hello. My name is Young. I am an early adapter in many fields such as mp3, laptops, foods, clothes, places etc. I would like to introduce what’s popular in Korea these days and share info with people in this blog.
I have been an Apple enthusiast for ages. But I hardly find Apple store in Korea. Also A/S was not easy. But I found a truly Apple-dedicated store in Myeong-dong called “Frisbee”. It is said to be the biggest Apple store existing in Korea.
The store is a modern vertical building in uniform, clean lines and an elegant material.
Hooray!! We can use Skype, the free internet phone, using Apple iPod Touch !!
Basically you can call your home using iPod Touch in far cheaper price!
Especially we can receive Apple earphone w/ remote and mic (35,000 won) for free when buying an iPod touch! It is a good deal…
2nd floor
Lounge, A/S center on the 4th floor.
5th floor (not shown) looked like a training room open to public filled with iMacs for trainees.
A snapshot of price disparities.
Compared to the prices in Japan/China/U.S, the iPod was around 20% cheaper. And Apple accessories were 30% to 50% cheaper.
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Young — Good writeup on the store. It does give the appearance that you’re shilling for Frisbee, but what’s wrong with a little commerce?
It’s a good store with a wide selection of Apple products, including computer accessories. The staff seems very knowledgeable and most of them speak English too — important for the Marmot’s Hole readership, not all of whom can speak Korean so well.
Being able to use Skype on iPod touch is not new information. Before the Skype app came out you could use it using Nimbuzz or Fring.
I wonder if they only have access to iTunes Korea.
I will take note and visit it as soon as I can. I remember spending a whole day once in Seoul looking in vain to find any store that would sell the Apple video adapter that I needed for a presentation. It was shocking to learn how hard it was, though one can order from the online Apple Store (there is no physical Apple Store in Korea). There is also a store in COEX that carries Apple products.
There is no iTunes Store for Korea — yet.
“Yet” – that misleading word that implies Apple will every pay attention to such a piracy-ridden country. They’ve been saying “yet” for years now…
Piracy is indeed a significant problem for Korea. But iTunes has showed there is a market for legitimate, paid-for music, video and software downloads if the prices are fair and the service easy-to-use. People want to pay.
We’ve got three apple retailers of varying quality in Daegu now, but I’ve still only seen two Koreans using Apple computers. Loads of foreigners though. I keep hoping it catches on more.
It just doesn’t make sense for Koreans to buy Macs.
If we can pressure the government to stop requiring Active-X for all e-commerce and encourage web developers to make their sites compatible with browsers other than Internet Explorer alternative computing platforms like, Apple OS and Linux might catch on. Until then, Windows will continue to make up 99% of the Korean consumer market. I’m not holding my breath.
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Well, there is an iTunes Korea store, only everything is in American prices, and there is no Korean content (i.e. music, video for purchase). Basically, you can get free applications and some paid ones in US$, but really, it’s pretty useless.
There are Korean pay sites where you can get videos for your iTouch with Korean subtitles for cheap.
That sounded very negative…
I hope it does catch on, I just meant that the general public can’t really switch until the online community supports it more.
Just yesterday I did see a nice Macbook, yet again, in a local coffee shop. Apple is used but many are forced to run a windows-emulator on their Mac because of the Korean active-x problem.
Still, Apple is gaining respect and users.
Thanks for the pictures “young”
Ok, that was nice of you Robert, but let’s not do that anymore…
Not sure I’d call glass and steel “elegant material”, but to each his own.
Now if you could just use macs for business applications…
Who are these “people” you speak of?
Do what?
Please don’t be obtuse or rather do some research.
8. Parker has it half right. The other half is there is a lot more pirated Windows software in Korea than pirated Apple-compatible software. If there was a lot more Macintosh “free” software, I’m sure the platform would catch on better than it has.
Why anyone would use Mac products is beyond me. They look nice, but they’re overpriced and honestly in my opinion Apple is more evil than Microsoft. Unfortunately all the apple cultists are too blind from drinking the kool aid to see that.
Me. I’ve been downloading music legally for about a year now, and am a satisfied customer. I can download 150 mp3s for 12,000 won (13,000 for a single month) from Bugs.co.kr, which seems pretty reasonable for DRM-free 320k files. Before 2008 all legal mp3s were drm restricted here, which was real fucking irritating and the main reason I didn’t go legal. Who wants to pay for drm crippled crap! But now I’m perfectly happy with the present deal. Besides most illegal files are only 192k, so paying for 320k files is still a plus.
Oh, and the the top selling point of Bugs when they first started providing drm-free mp3s was that you could play them on an ipod.
To be fair, you can run a lot of business apps on a Mac, and there is certainly the dual OS booting. I have both a PC and a Mac and dedicate the PC to business and the Mac to design/entertainment. I do know from experience that being on a work team where one member brings a Mac often slows everyone down. I assume that Macs still do not run many simulation packages (e.g., markstrat, markops, etc.).
Apple as a company is practicing unethical business.
Every Apple device comes with an Apple Tax.
Every Apple portable devices comes with an eventual enslavement to high priced Apple services. Most prominent is the battery issue.
Every year, a new apple portable device debuts.
Every year, someone on the internet tries to show you how to take apart the device to avoid the Apple Tax in the future.
How can Blackberry and pretty much everyone else operate with a removable battery, but Apple can’t?
It’s ridiculous.
Taking apart the latest Apple portable is like dismantling an alarm clock on your own, but the Apple portable is much smaller and way more expensive. Chuckles me to hear people that the more expensive Apple device you buy, the more money you save on future battery replacements.
Apple is practicing what Ford/GM/Chrysler’s been peddling consumers for decades…
Use it for a couple years, throw it away, buy the new stuff we made.
and the loads of i-shit you have to buy that doesn’t come with the product. Once the i-shit accessory market itself was an industry of its own. Still probably is. Apple makes these i-shits obsolete every couple years, by coming up with new docs, cables that don’t fit the old ones.
Granted, the product itself that Apple produces, looks nice, and functions well.
iphone alone revived ATT wireless, which was the shittiest mobile carrier in the US, on the verge of bankruptcy. Now, people pay a premium for ATT and iphone, and viola, ATT has a better network than Verizon, I think. You paid for it, basically.
@Seth Gecko
I think I know what you mean.
i used to buy itunes, but switch to amazon.com for those needs.
if Korea is serious about Korean Wave, they should accept foreign transactions to buy legal music.
I am aware, that the US RIAA is making it almost impossible to buy even British music with US credit cards, legally. They want us to listen to All American Rejects, Miley Cyrus. Dumb shits.
I know what you mean, brother. I had to buy just such a video adapter myself recently, for my (now sadly departed) MacBook Air.
The Frisbee store has ‘em, and so does Alife, another Apple Premium Reseller which just opened up — in Bukchang-dong of all places. If you’re in the CBD, just head down from City Hall toward Namdaemun; Alife is directly across from the Samsung headquarters building.
Plus there’s the major department stores. All these resellers popping up: Somebody’s got to be buying this useless, overpriced Apple crap.
it’s not useless.
it is OVERpriced.
Just like Microsoft has been.
and what is Apple Care?
Imagine if Ford/Chrysler/GM was peddling Detroit Care to you.
and the Korean car on the other side was running fine with an included 10yr/blah, warranty,
and the Japanese one was running fine with the 30k mile/blah warranty.
I’m not afraid of my Taurus blowing up in year 5. I bought Detroit Care.
AppleCare is an extended warranty, just like the extended warranties sold by other computer and electronics makers. See HP’s HP TotalCare and its Care Packs, or the extended warranty offered by Dell, or Sony, or any of the others.
AppleCare has saved my bacon with my kids’ laptop. I wouldn’t buy an Apple computer without it.
Young – nice post.
R. Koehler – a nice find. A Korean early adopter is a welcome addition to the Hole. Not being an early adopter myself, I “envy” those who are and can learn from their experimentation.
“In my case,” I need to have something in my hand and have someone show me how to use it before I feel comfortable with new technology.
English teachers – Young makes the common mistake of using “Especially…” to start a sentence, which is never correct.
I consulted a dictionary awhile back and tried to come up with a pithy tip for Koreans to use when trying to distinguish between “especially” and “specifically,” but wasn’t on top of my game that day and couldn’t come up with anything. Anyone who can explain the difference in a sentence or less gets my gratitude.
Throw in ‘particularly’ and you can use 2 sentences.
This read just a little too much like a press release from the Frisbee store. Too much of an advertisement thinly veiled as a blog entry for my taste.
I was a little disappointed in the Marmot for this. Perhaps it is what Seth Gecko was referring to in post number 12 when he said not to do it again.
Running system emulators are pretty easy now in OSX if one must.
I am just now using a third-party, custom, non-Apple box that slots much more RAM and runs OSX. It was cheaper than an Apple box and is not as pretty but it works great. My only complaint are the software programers that put out so much bleeding edge software that I must use. I sometimes feel like a beta-tester.
As per “Apple is more evil than Microsoft” that view will only be justified when there are thousands of virus and trojans out here — all thriving because of an unwillingness to disrupt the status quo.
I am sure that, in time, something better than OSX will come along but it will most definitely not be called “vista” or “windows”.
…and I thought Apple didn’t do PR in Korea.
I only have one word to say:
Ubuntu. (Or Kubuntu)
Looks good and works great on ANY hardware!
Guys, I am sick and tired of all the product placement in these posts! Could we please just stop?
Look, I’m sorry to be such a jerk – I just think it’s important. Here, let me get things started again:
I play fantasy league sports, and one of my friends tells me that one of his players (a pretty good performer named Apel) just won, so he starts to brag. ‘Apel is awesome! Magic – pure magic! Nothing better!’ And on and on and on.
Well, I show him how my pick (a great asset named Crosoft) also just won, and did even better in terms of stats.
‘No way – Apel’s the best,’ my friend says, to which I reply, ‘Look Apel – good. But, c’mon, my Crosoft win does better.’
I don’t believe that was Young’s intention.
Well, that’s what I use, in a purely PC environment (including stuff like Microsoft Exchange server and other purely PC stuff), and we have zero issues. No viruses, of course, Word, Excel, PPT, Entourage (= Outlook), all I need to work in a sales-oriented company…
Thanks for this info–most useful news in a long time for me. My mobile phone is dying, and cringe at the nightmare I went through to get one last time. Having my iTouch (I love using that term as it makes Apple Nazi’s go nuts) connect w/ Skype would work nicely for me. Is this only the newer version of the touch where this is possible? I have the first version.
All iPod touches have WiFi networking capability, which is what you need to get Skype working. The earphones with the built-in microphone/volume control aren’t yet bundled with any iPod model currently offered. One would imagine that’s coming in the next refresh, or maybe Apple wants to sell us the earphones separately. I bought some today.
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Running system emulators are pretty easy now in OSX if one must.
I am just now using a third-party, custom, non-Apple box that slots much more RAM and runs OSX. It was cheaper than an Apple box and is not as pretty but it works great.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there! What the hell did I just read?
Where did you get this machine? In Korea? Can you run updates on it? Somebody in Korea sold you a Hackintosh, didn’t he? Fucking bastards. I’ve gotta wait til I know the outcome of the legal battle between Psystar and a certain well-known company named after a fruit. If Psystar wins, I’m building and selling Hackintosh’s too.
I agree with #18 and #22. I have absolutely no qualms about jail-breaking portable devices and letting others know they can build Hackintosh’s for a fraction of the price charged by that certain Company which Shall Not Be Named.
I remember bringing one of my laptops in Yongsan to the Apple shop for a CD drive that failed to open and the guys realized it was the last day of AppleCare’s coverage, 6pm. They called Apple Korea, “No worries! Take it in.” they said. That was the only time I needed AppleCare…
Psystar — that’s the machine. I had it shipped from the States as my personal computer and still saved $. I only wish the chassis would slot up to 32GB of RAM instead of 8 — just for the future.
Wham-O didn’t register its brandname here? Dramman, whaddaya know about this?
Open(3) with Mac OS X
Operating System – Mac OS X Leopard v10.5
Processor – 2.8 GHz Core2Duo E7400
Memory – 2GB DDR2 800
Hard Drive – 500GB 7,200RPM SATA
Optical Drive – 20x DVD±RW DL
Graphics Card – GeForce 9500GT 512MB (DVI + VGA)
Keyboard & Mouse – Multimedia Keyboard and Optical
Warranty – Standard One Year Parts and Support
Price: $ 813.98
Open(3) with Windows
Operating System – Windows XP Professional 32-bit
Processor – 2.8 GHz Core2Duo E7400
Memory – 2GB DDR2 800
Hard Drive – 500GB 7,200RPM SATA
Optical Drive – 20x DVD±RW DL
Graphics Card – GeForce 9500GT 512MB (DVI + VGA)
Keyboard & Mouse – Multimedia Keyboard and Optical
Warranty – Standard One Year Parts and Support
Price: $ 823.98
I went to Psystar’s website to put together these similarly-configured computers with different operating systems, and they work out to be almost the same price-wise. Plus, the sexy HD-compatible monitor that you’ll see with the computers is noticably not part of the package. Also, shipping costs weren’t estimated, but I doubt they’ll waive the charge.
However, if you go to Yongsan and get an LG Xpion with similar specs from an authorized dealer, and add to it what you need to bring you up to this level, it’s actually cheaper.
How much? Well, enough to mostly pay for a LG Flatron W2294T monitor. My home computer is an LG Xpion Z10 which looks a lot like the ones you see above, specs-wise. It’s in a much slimmer case, however, and with locally-serviced warranty coverage. And, if there’s shipping involved with those Psystar rigs, even with the added monitor it’s actually cheaper.
Oops! I forgot to add wireless and bluetooth connectivity to the Psystar sets above, so add on another $139 to each.
Here’s today’s tip: learn Korean and buy your hardware locally. The money you save will help offset the cost of your language lessons.
Re: the Hackintosh. It is, of course, a violation of the terms of the OS X Software License Agreement to install and run OS X on a non-Apple branded computer. Doesn’t the author of software get to set the terms and conditions of its use?
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It is, of course, a violation of the terms of the OS X Software License Agreement to install and run OS X on a non-Apple branded computer.
For practical purposes, crApple lawyers will not go after individual hobbyists who build a Hackintosh for non-commercial personal use. That would be a futile exercise in legal Whack-a-Mole. It’s simply not worth the expense or trouble and they don’t. Heck, ever since crApple announced back in 2006 that they’ll be breaking away from PowerPC processors and use Intel chips, they haven’t done anything to put a stop to the OSx86 movement. What crApple will do is try to make as hard as possible to install and maintain Fruity OS on non-crApple hardware. Prior, one had to install a version of Fruity OS with a modified kernel. It would work on certain kinds of hardware but then if you tried to update the OS at some later point, the whole thing would break. Now, EFI emulation, which makes any regular PC look like a genuine Fruity computer to the OS, allows for the use of “plain vanilla” kernel (unmodified kernel), which offers much greater stability and allows for untroubled system upgrades. True EFI emulation is the Holy Grail of the OSx86 movement.
I am personally interested in building a Hackintosh because I’m interested in developing apps for iTouch and iPhone devices as a possible freelance side gig in the future. Stanford University is offering courses in app development for the iPhone/Touch and they are making available videos of the lectures for free via iTunes as part of their opencourseware initiative. However, the Objective-C/Cocoa SDK does not run on Windows or Linux but only in an OSX environment. Since I don’t feel like shelling out at least a couple of grand for a pretty crApple workstation, I’m gonna first try my hand at building a Hackintosh using an Asus mobo and other PC-generic hardware that one can buy for cheap at a Marketpro show. Depending on how the ongoing legal battle between Psystar and crApple turns out, hell I might even start being a vendor at Marketpro and sell Hackintoshs in small volumes. I think this is an unfilled niche. A sub-grand Hackintosh is perfect for college students and professionals like graphics artists on a tight budget.
This Mac vs PC epic battle video is pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM
Oh, well, if *you* want to pay some local guy who has never done this to experiment and get it wrong, go right ahead. (If one reads various hackintosh forums online, they will discover some configurations do not work completely with OSX)
Here’s another tip: don’t offer advice when you don’t know what you are talking about.
So, if the law is not enforced, you’re not bound by it. I got it. I hope you’ll give me a break on the massage parlor.
A Mac mini starts at $599. That leaves you $400 for peripherals and you’re still under a grand.
I could put together a Hackintosh myself, but my own time is worth more than that. Your position is really childish: You say you want to use the Xcode IDE and Cocoa APIs, but you don’t think Apple ought to get paid for having developed them for you.
Refusing to pay for software or to follow the license agreement; I can really tell you’re Korean.
Hell, NetizenKim — I have four Mac minis (five, actually — one in St. Louis). If you can endure a G4 with 1GB of RAM (which still works fine, by the way), I’ll duke you one. But you have to be nicer to us here on the Hole.
Sorry about that, R. Elgin. I really wasn’t writing that comment about you for having bought something unusual from abroad, but rather about the many for buying something fairly typical from overseas at higher prices than they have to.
I had meant to compare the Psystar’s OSX- and Windows-related offerings, because they don’t really differ on price. But later, when writing about hardware, I was rather thinking about PC’s, for which the advice to buy locally is quite true. And I’ll stand by my assertion that learning Korean can save people a lot of money – I’ve saved millions of won, over time, through improved research and negotiating skills.
Again, sometimes what I write quickly seems clear to me but isn’t actually, so I’m sorry about that.
“gbnhj”, you do have a good idea though since local would be better but man, if you watch how those local guys work and how microsoft exclusive most are you would not want to pay them to try!
You have inspired me to ask this one fellow about this issue though because he does all my local work and seems competent with Apple gear. Who knows what he might say?
Doing that, you could end up saving a lot. In my case, I’ve had a machine locally-built for me once, but trusted the builder because I knew several people who’d been satisfied customers of his. But a Hackintosh? As you say, this market doesn’t offer much for non-PC consumers, but your fellow’s a good bet if there is one.
Still, if your gear is as chancy to set up as you say, I’d only go with people I was sure could do it. You’ve got more courage than I do.
“There is also a store in COEX that carries Apple products.”
There used to be one or two AppleService centre type places in the basements of Yongsan Electronics markets (the old markets the other side of the tracks – not Yongsan Station) where I got various accessories.
“Until then, Windows will continue to make up 99% of the Korean consumer market. I’m not holding my breath.”
Only old Windows, all the locals sellers will load up Windows 98, on preloaded Vista machines, since Vista has exactly the same issue with ActiveX. Something will have to give eventually, more of those who don;t know are buying the preloaded vista machines, and are unable to access their bank accounts etc…., and eventually with more and more software being Vista compliant, the current fix of loading Windows 98 will have to fall away.
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So, if the law is not enforced, you’re not bound by it. I got it. I hope you’ll give me a break on the massage parlor.
Brendon, does Steve Jobs tuck you in at night or something? There’s a bit of a difference between illegal businesses based on human trafficking and ignoring a little clause on the EULA of a big fat corporation.
Psystar versus Apple is due for court in November. I’m rooting for Psystar to prevail. This is classic David versus Goliath stuff.
A Mac mini starts at $599.
Let’s take a look at the specs for a Mac Mini:
- 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
- 1GB memory
- 120GB hard drive
- 8x double-layer SuperDrive
- NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
I don’t know what the hell a “Superdrive” is but it appears to be crApple fancy talk for 8x dual layer DVD-RW drive. With that said, my rough estimation for the cost of building a similarly spec’ed system using parts bought from Marketpro (zero shipping costs, cash only) is…get ready now…$340. This is a conservative estimate (no haggling for lower price etc). This figure is including sales tax and the reseller’s markup.
crApple surely has special volume agreements with various suppliers and can mass-produce the Mac Mini for less than $340 per unit. They’re selling an entry-level low-end system for at least a 100% markup!
Your position is really childish: You say you want to use the Xcode IDE and Cocoa APIs, but you don’t think Apple ought to get paid for having developed them for you.
Who said anything about not paying for anything? The iPhone/iTouch SDK costs $99.
Refusing to pay for software or to follow the license agreement; I can really tell you’re Korean.
Who said anything about refusing to pay for software? The OS v10.5 Leopard is going for about $130. I’m planning on building a plain vanilla EFI emulation Hackintosh using a legit copy of OS, not a patched OS with a modified kernel obtained by downloading an image via bitTorrent.
The total cost of my Homebrew Hackintosh system comes out to $470.
We’re not talking software piracy here. The crApple EULA clause says you can’t load their OS on non-crApple hardware (even though you paid for their OS). What the hell does “crApple hardware” mean anyway? If you open up a Mac and look inside you see Intel processors, Samsung memory, a mobo likely probably made by a Taiwanese manufacturer like Asus, NVidia graphics card, etc. In other words, on the inside it looks just like a regular PC.
Brendon Carr,
1/ not honoring patents, copyrights, etc is not just a Korean trait. It is more serious in East Asia in general, least serious perhaps in Japan.
2/ about Mac Mini. I am actually interested in buying one. Provide some insight, please.
First, I don’t like the fact that you buy your own monitor, keyboard, mouse.
Second, it seems to simply add more RAM or even upgrade a simple harddrive or videocard, you may have to do unconventional things. By the way, is this built like an ipod? Do you have to use tiny flat head screws to unglue the Mac Mini, and there are no easy screws to unscrew it? Did they put in a lithium ion battery in there, so you’ll eventually have to pay them $500 to change the battery on a Desktop? I’m half serious, but because it’s Apple, it sounds like they’ll do something like that.
You know, on normal computers, you can clip in your own RAM easy. Change your hard drive, a little bit more effort, but still easy.
Buy an Apple, you pay apple itax, to do anything.
#56
I have an MBP but decided to build a hackintosh as a desktop machine because the MacPro is overpowered and the iMac is just a mobile CPU in a sleek case. Anyway, I went with a relatively new Gigabyte E7AUM-DS2H mobo, 8GB of DDR2, 2.33GHz Quad Q9300, Zalman PSU, and a LianLi PC-V351 Silver case, total about $1000 in all.
First problem I had was that the onboard nVidia 9400 GPU, a more powerful version of the 9400M GPU found in most MBPs, was having its shared memory mapped somewhere around the 3rd gigabyte of my system memory. The drivers from Apple for the 9400M worked well enough to drive the 9400 but the memory overlap meant that you couldn’t use 4GB/8GB/16GB of RAM with the mobo in OSX. Rather than go with a 2GB quadcore, less memory than in my laptop, I chose to spring for a Radeon HD4870: Same GPU as in the MacPro so I can use vanilla drivers, more powerful, and would let me disable the onboard GPU.
So I got the new card and that worked well enough, disabling the onboard GPU had things running quite well for a few weeks; then I went to boot up one day and OSX wouldn’t finish loading. I enabled verbose to see what was happening. The system would freeze after ntp-update, flash some message about “Firewire…” so fast that I couldn’t see it and then shut down. I tried disabling firewire on the bios but that didn’t work. So after trying every imaginable trick to get this thing to start booting again I had to rebuild my boot disk from a working copy of the 10.5.6 install I had made (Including all the necessary .kexts, patched audio driver, 3rd revision of a DSDT.aml file (The first two made for a day of frustration trying to get the system to even boot), etc.).
So now this machine, which I spent a month dicking with to get it into a running state is working quite well for the last three weeks. Still have the firewire disabled to prevent whatever was causing my earlier problems. The thing is, if I charge people $30 an hour for my time, I could have worked for the 60 hours it took to get this system running perfectly, taken that money and bought the MacPro, and I’m pretty sure the MacPro would score a lot higher than 6000 on GeekBench (My laptop scores 3500).
“Buy an Apple, you pay apple itax, to do anything.”
Why the big deal, do you complain about the mercedeze tax or the porsche tax? You can’t get a decent service without their computerised diagnostics or parts without paying over the odds.
“There’s a bit of a difference between illegal businesses based on human trafficking and ignoring a little clause on the EULA of a big fat corporation.”
Throw that right back, who said anything about human trafficking. There’s a big difference between a consensual business arrangement “massage”, and breach of a consensual business arrangement, i.e. contract.
Other than that agree with you on the EULA, I would argue it as an unfair contract term. Using it on more than one machine is one thing, but restricting which machines you put it on are another.
After all you buy a washing machine, you don’t expect a EULA saying it can only be used on whites and not coloureds.
it’s questionable whether or not Apple is the Mercedes-Benz of computers, mp3 players, cell phones.
Let’s put it this way.
if Benz sold you a car, and the engine was locked digitally, so that only a Benz dealer could do something simple, say, like an oil change, would you be happy with Benz?
this is what Apple is doing.
Click on the i-shit Touchlite ad above. They try to sell you an ‘emergency battery’ for 30 dollars.
That is outrageous.
I currently use a Blackberry. I purchased a spare battery for under 10 dollars, and use it like you would re-load a pen, a mechanical pencil, or a gun, or in this case, a phone.
Iphone won’t let you do that. And why not? Apple policy. Reel’em back in and rip them off.
i am, however, genuinely interested in acquiring a Mac Mini.
Thus, I ask Carr.
anything I should know in advance?
is it like unopenable, like an ipod, or what?
I think it would be my basic consumer right to at least add my own RAM, without resorting to loving care from Apple.
it’s intentional and immoral.
What’s up wjk are you going logical on us?
Anyway already gave you the equivalent example, “You can’t get a decent service without their computerised diagnostics” or “parts without paying over the odds”.
Oil change doesn’t really cut it as a comparison, its not a bespoke item, why not something more realistic like a new piston head or a wing panel. If there is sufficient market demand someone will make an alternative replacement battery for apple products.
“is it like unopenable, like an ipod, or what?”
It’s not unopenable, but anyway why don’t you just go and have a look at one?
As for not selling with a keyboard and screen etc, that’s the market it was developed for, people who already have a screen, keyboards etc, and just want to dump their old base station and or who want to select the screen, and accessories of their choice, rather than being lumped with whats in the standard package. If you want the keyboard etc they sell them also.
It’s not unopenable, but it is designed to be small and unobtrusive, so its cramped and you won’t be able to do much with it. If you’re a high end user and want to keep swapping cards in and out etc, you go for something else.
That means it can play your 8-track tapes as well as CDs.
thanks, Arghaeri
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