Korea’s English Pandemic and Those Damn Whitey Losers

by Robert Koehler on April 8, 2009

in Ministry of Barbarian Affairs

UVA student Jessica Kim is upset at Korea’s “English Pandemic” and the “white-looking” failures that swarm the Land of the Morning Calm like locusts as a result:

So why is Korea, the nation that even created a national day to celebrate the beauty and the history of the Korean language, seen as the place to go for those “native speakers” who have no life goals? The aim of trying to learn English is healthy for the mind and soul ― it’s for personal development. However, the situation here is to the point where it’s almost an obsession, not to mention an embarrassing one.

Do we really want these “white-looking” people to just stroll into Korea, who probably scored less than 500 out of 800 on their verbal portion of their SATs or don’t even know what they SATs are, to be hailed as kings by Korean parents? This leads to my point: Korean parents need to change their attitudes.

It is the Korean parents’ crazy obsession with English that drives up the cram school fees; it is their obsession that creates such trouble for the government’s education branch to rationally allocate their already-strained budget; and, finally, it is their obsession that leads Korea to be looked-down-upon as a Plan B by those “native English speakers” who miserably fail in their own lives. The parents with such wrong attitudes are to be blamed for the pandemic.

Me thinks Jessica focuses a bit too much on the race of the teachers (which is to say, the problem would be just as bad if the teachers were all gyopo), although she is right — Korea has an English obsession, and it has serious consequences.

On a related note, did you know the campus of UVA is a UNESCO World Heritage Site?

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1 roboseyo April 8, 2009 at 9:21 am

Here is the letter I sent to the Korea Times editor and to Jessica Kim, and posted at Roboseyo last night.

Dear Editor

While Jessica Kim’s article, “Korea’s English Pandemic” raised some valid questions about Korea’s obsession with English, I was extremely disappointed both by Jessica’s crass generalizations about the character and intelligence of English teachers coming to Korea, and moreover by The Korea Times’ willingness to print such material.

The problems she raises are valid: yes, Korea’s obsession with English education is expensive for families and stressful for children. However, recruiters for Korean companies trying to expand their global reach would probably take issue with Ms. Kim’s assertion that Korea’s English obsession is pointless.

There is also nothing wrong with Ms. Kim being proud of her country’s language: she mentions how Korea has a national holiday to celebrate Hangul, but why, in the same sentence, does she need to start making insinuations about the kinds of people who ask about coming to Korea to teach?

Does Ms. Kim know these people well enough to accurately judge their probable SAT scores, or is she guessing wildly about their intelligence? How did she judge that they had no life goals? Is she so sure that their only qualification to teach English is their white skin? Does she even know how many of them are asking about teaching in Korea out of a serious desire to come overseas, and how many are simply exploring possible options, the way desperate people do during a financial crisis, when they feel their options diminishing? And how dare she call these people miserable failures in their own lives, unless she knows their entire life stories?

Finally, as a long-term professional English instructor in Korea, who works hard to improve both my craft as a teacher, and my students’ true English capability, I deeply resent Ms. Kim’s insinuations that my white looks are my only important qualification to teach English in Korea. By ignoring the fact there are a lot of excellent Native English instructors in Korea, Ms. Kim sounds just as ignorant as the people approaching her, who think white skin is enough to get a teaching job in Korea.

I also resent Ms. Kim’s trotting out the old, ugly stereotype of the “unqualified English teacher,” using a broad brush to paint an entire group of people. The English instructors in Korea range from experienced and supremely qualified career educators, to backpackers looking to pay for the next leg of their Asian tour. However, those recruiting teachers are responsible for which teachers come to Korea, and in recruiting, the old saying, “You get what you pay for” applies, for better and for worse.

Finally, I am dismayed that The Korea Times prints articles like this, which ply in stereotypes and lazy thinking, which does not even offer a solution to the problem it presents, though it does take time to slur the reputation of many hard working, enthusiastic and passionate teachers. Such careless media coverage denies native English teachers the respect they deserve for their work, and sometimes makes teaching English in Korea seem like a thankless job. It would be easier for the qualified, committed teachers in Korea to continue investing their talents in Korean society if it seemed to appreciate our hard work.

2 dinkus maximus April 8, 2009 at 9:23 am

I’d like to think she was a bit focused on the negative end of things, and glamorizing the respect whities get.

My general impression after leaving Korean behind after 5 years of “escaping my failed life back where I belong,” is that if you scoop ten waygook teachers off the street, 6 will be males, and 4 will be female. 2 of the males will be sort of good looking, just out of university, and they will act like NSync for their first year. 2 other guys will be in their 40′s, one of them an American who quit the army, one of them an old boozer from NZ. One of the other two guys will probably be gyopo, and the other guy will be a blogger type who left behind an I.T. job.

Of the 4 females, two will be fat Canadian chicks from Newfoundland. Two will be horny Ozzies. The other two — American, maybe one gyopo. Of the 4, only one will be remotely attractive.

Anyways, I’ve noticed changes in the weather since 2000, when teachers still had some respect and it was hagwons that were screwing US over. Then, by 2004, it was teachers screwing hagwons over. Then, by 2005, Englishspectrum happened, and ever since then we’ve been painted with the same tar brush.

It is also fair to say that Jessica Kim was screwed over by some guy from Korean Cupid dot com, which apparently pays for Mr. Koehler’s bandwidth.

3 WangKon936 April 8, 2009 at 9:26 am

Gosh… I’m begining to think that the KT only publishes articles from hysterical gyopos who have decent grammar and spelling but with the maturity of 5 year olds.

“every time I hear it I can’t help myself from cringing with every single muscle in my forehead. I may need Botox soon even though I’m only in my early 20s.

She may soon need botox? Does Ms. Jessica Kim think this is an effective way to communicate with Koreans, expats, Korean Americans or anybody???

Korean American undergraduates shouldn’t be anywhere near the published section of a big daily like the KT. Why? Because they always find a way to screw it up and sound like jackasses.

4 JW April 8, 2009 at 9:26 am

I hope we’re not trying to suggest that this Jessica Kim person has an axe to grind against whites. She is an ASIAN GIRL, after all. Prima facie burden of proof should be on the side that wants to prove she’s just another gyopo that hates whitey. And this article just ain’t good enough, no sir.

5 sulperman April 8, 2009 at 9:36 am

How many people are asking her about coming to Korea? She had to shut off her phone? She must have a really awful group of friends to keep asking her questions like that… You can almost picture her rage as she writes this. It’s fun!

Oh, Korea Times…

And why does the KT allow comments from users below each article? They are always the most nonsensical rantings from people too crazy for ESL cafe. I used to tell students to read certain articles in the KT before I noticed the insane ramblings that follow in the comment section below every single thing on their site.

But it is fitting I guess. Bizarre newspaper, bizarre commenters.

6 WangKon936 April 8, 2009 at 9:43 am

The last coherent and effective article from a gyopo published by the KT was written by Ms. Angela Hur. Sunny Kim is also pretty good too (he’s a Harvard grad, what do you expect?) but I doubt the KT can afford him.

I find it ridiculously hilarious that Ms. Jessica Kim couldn’t summon up enough intelligence to figure out that if she’s going to write an ENGLISH language article about Korea’s English obsession and GENERALIZE about English instructors from foreign (i.e. Western countries including but not limited to the U.S.A) countries she should, logically, be aware that these same people would read the said article and probably form an opinion. The likely opinion would be universal. These people won’t want to be generalized in the manner in which Jessica does so. Jessica writes it like a personal blog rant that for whatever odd reason, she thinks that foreign English teachers won’t read.

What if someone in the states wrote an article about how Asians were coming in and taking over schools, getting the highest scores and pushing white kids out? It happens. There are blog rants about them but you wouldn’t expect the NYTs or the WaPo to publish a similar article like the KT did.

Ms. Jessica Kim. College educated. Raised in the U.S., if not born there. She missed out on a fundamental lesson that America tends to teach people. It’s not polite or accurate to generalize people and you can get your point across by not doing so. As a fellow gyopo, older and wiser, I’m extremely disappointed in her.

7 JW April 8, 2009 at 9:43 am

Let me just say, these parents and their kids ought to be pitied FAR MORE than expat English teachers from places like the U.S. and Canada, who get flown over to Korea all expenses paid. So please, don’t come to me with your whining, these people in Korea have to be told in one way or another that their obsession with “white looking” English teachers is just downright pathetic. Which is clearly the main point of the essay. Really, don’t go crying to the editor like you’re the victims.

8 Benicio74 April 8, 2009 at 9:51 am

So writing to the KT was her form of revenge for being “bothered” in the States.
What is it with the recent spate of Korean females studying in American universities and writing anti-whitey teacher diatribes in the Korean papers?
(The last one was a girl studying at Standford)
Is this some kind of campaign among Korean females at US universities.
Jessica Kim and the others are just stupid, stereotyping racists.
How would she feel if I lebelled her and all other Korean girls studying in America as “dumb chink princesses who get into good schools, but have no intention of actually doing anything with their degree. They just want to go from spending daddy’s money to spending hubby’s money- in other words, useless”?
Of course, I would be wrong to make that stupid, sweeping stereotypical statement which slanders all in her group, but isn’t that exactly what she is doing to all of us?
Well, f*** her, then!
Lastly, no one should ever be surprised at the absolute sh*t they print in the K media. You should be angry, but not surprised.

9 Benicio74 April 8, 2009 at 9:57 am

#8 SP- How would she feel if I lebelled (labelled) her and all other Korean girls

Yes, I know I used the slur “chink”. It is innapropriate and not even the correct country slur, but it was used to highlight how stupid such a statement would be, so you don’t need to flame me for it’s usage

10 Dram_man April 8, 2009 at 10:04 am

Damn! What isn’t a UNESCO world heritage site?

What do you say we make Fresh Kills a UNESCO site?

11 SomeguyinKorea April 8, 2009 at 10:14 am

#6,

Yes, and the irony that she ranting about Korea’s obsession with English in English for an Korean English-language newspaper was obviously wasted on her.

Someone also needs to clue her in on the fact that the SATs are only taken by those who want to attend an American university.

12 SomeguyinKorea April 8, 2009 at 10:15 am

…that she was ranting…

13 thekorean April 8, 2009 at 10:16 am

Whiteys I have seen were anything but loosers. In fact, they were tighters.

14 JW April 8, 2009 at 10:36 am

Could there possibly be any english teacher in korea who doesn’t know that the market he or she works in is overtly racist, obsessive, and just overwhelmingly unwholesome? And that maybe that’s why the market attracts so many unqualified candidates despite all the perks?

Wait, isnt that we’ve been saying here in this very forum ALL ALONG? If any unwitting teachers are out there, shouldn’t they know the truth?

Why are you guys complaining??????

15 SomeguyinKorea April 8, 2009 at 10:38 am

“White-looking”? Why doesn’t she tell us why there are relatively few African-Americans, Maoris, and Latinos being hired to teach English in South Korea?

16 SomeguyinKorea April 8, 2009 at 10:45 am

#14,

I always enjoy a coherent and insightful analysis of the situation. I couldn’t care less about an openly racist rant (with a few appeals to nationalism thrown for extra effect) written by a student (majoring in accounting, nonetheless) who most probably never picked up a book on socio-linguistics or pedagogy.

17 NathanB April 8, 2009 at 10:56 am

Surely many of her points are right on, most especially the part about those with no life plan, and the observation that for many Korean educational institutions, a white ass is all that’s required. This may be painful for many to hear, but there’s more than a grain of truth to it.

That said, many English teachers with “no life plan” end out doing quite a good job here.

18 seokso April 8, 2009 at 11:02 am

Sorry guys, but I can easily see how someone would get the impression that there are a lot of loser teachers here. I’ve seen people with shockingly poor English get re-signed beyond their first year because the company owners either don’t know or don’t care about the quality of teaching. As long as the parents are happy with the teacher (read: dancing monkey), that’s good enough. The truth is that few hagwons do real teaching anyway, so hiring a real teacher would be pointless.

Perhaps the better question to ask is why anyone who is qualified would want to come to Korea. People with good credentials could get much better jobs elsewhere and Korea isn’t exactly a prime destination for most foreigners. Plus, as I mentioned before, most jobs here don’t allow you to really teach. The horrible style of rote memorization and testing that’s so popular here is soul crushing for someone who knows how to teach. Korea has to pay a premium and deal with getting lower quality teachers because most foreigners would rather live somewhere else.

For example, I’d rather be working in Vietnam, but they don’t pay well enough there to cover my student loans. Funny how you can have those after attending high quality expensive schools.

19 Sonagi April 8, 2009 at 11:14 am

Korea has to pay a premium and deal with getting lower quality teachers because most foreigners would rather live somewhere else.

Sad but true. Salaries for language institute teachers are comparable between Korea and Japan, yet with Korea’s lower cost of living, teachers there have a larger disposable income. Salaries in China are much lower, even with the cost of living taken into account, which in cosmopolitan cities like Shanghai, Beijing, and Qingdao, isn’t much less than in Seoul.

20 Granfalloon April 8, 2009 at 11:38 am

At my university, the difference between a teacher with a B.A. in Medieval History and a teacher with an MA TESOL is $900 a year.

Qualified teachers who actually LIKE living here are continuously punished for their attitude. There’s nothing quite like making professional sacrifices for people who despise you for it.

21 Linkd April 8, 2009 at 11:46 am

the difference between a teacher with a B.A. in Medieval History and a teacher with an MA TESOL is $900 a year.

What can you say? The priority in Korean workplaces is fairness. You can’t have two people doing the same job and earning different salaries. That wouldn’t be fair. That would be like admitting that someone with better qualifications could actually do a better job. That can’t be right! Everyone knows that you only get better qualifications because your parents could afford to buy them for you – and every effort must then be exerted to ensure that no unfair advantage accrues to such people.

22 captbbq April 8, 2009 at 12:10 pm

Well, I won’t bemoan her use of a stereotype, because there is more than a grain of truth to it, but more-so in the past the past than now.

Instead I would like to point out another well known stereotype which holds to be more consistent; that UVA tends to consistently churn out smug undergraduates with a false sense of elitism.

23 The Goat April 8, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Do we really want these “white-looking” people to just stroll into Korea, who probably scored less than 500 out of 800 on their verbal portion of their SATs or don’t even know what they SATs are, to be hailed as kings by Korean parents? This leads to my point: Korean parents need to change their attitudes.

Good thing her major is dealing with numbers and not with language.

24 WangKon936 April 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm

To be fair, a lot of expats write equally inane commentary on Korea and Koreans. However, to the best of my knowledge, none of these people are given a platform on the KT. Unless you are Jon Huer. But he’s an odd one. A foreigner yes, but you can’t say he’s not the dictionary definition of a gyopo either, given that he’s an adoptee.

25 Robert Koehler April 8, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Damn! What isn’t a UNESCO world heritage site?

Well, in the case of the United States, quite a lot, actually:

http://whc.unesco.org/en/statesparties/us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_the_Americas#United_States_.2819.29

Only eight man-made sites in the US are listed as World Heritage Sites, including Independence Hall, UVA and Monticello, the Statue of Liberty and Taos Pueblo.

If Tel Aviv’s White City and Le Havre are good enough to be World Heritage Sites, you’d think Miami’s Art Deco District, downtown Manhattan, or Fallingwater/anything Frank Lloyd Wright would qualify, too.

26 Darth Babaganoosh April 8, 2009 at 2:27 pm

It’s funny how she goes on and on about how the “whites” have it good in Korea simply because they are white and have zero qualifications for being teachers… when the TaLK program is staffed mainly by gyopos who don’t even need to graduate university to get a job (and add to it that they are not put through the Immigration grinder that E2s are, for the same exact job)

I don’t hear her complain about how unqualified they are and how they got the job only because they are Korean.

27 gbnhj April 8, 2009 at 3:36 pm

And you won’t hear that, DB, until it’s been pointed out to her publicly, and she feels she has to downplay a remark which serves to insult rather than inform.

Let’s call it what it is: hate from a hater.

28 Guy Incognito April 8, 2009 at 4:28 pm

I must not have been paying close enough attention to the Korea Times of late. It seems it’s gotten awfully bad recently. Have there been any changes in senior editors? Is there an agenda at work here? i.e. most of our readers can barely speak English so let’s publish to the middle?

Please tell me this kind of undergrad rant is a rarity in that paper.

29 shakuhachi April 8, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Talk about English teachers being treated like kings and getting paid too much is foolish on the face of it. The market determines the rate, and that is it. Quality of the teachers is determined by the level of renumeration, and in the case of foreign countries like Korea, the workplace and social environment. If the workplace and social environment is good, the employer can pay less, if it is bad they have to make up for it with greater renumeration.

The Korean laws for granting visas to virtually anyone with a bachelors degree that is completely unrelated to education or teaching guarantees ‘unqualified’ English teachers. However, to attract truly qualified teachers Korean educational institutions need to offer these qualified teachers better pay and conditions than they can get in their home countries, and Korean institutions are not even close to offering that level of pay and benefits.

This is what they get for being cheapskates. Oh, and abusing English teachers that are qualified according to the Korean government as ‘unqualified’ just raises the bar in terms of the demanded renumeration (or increases the number of people simply lacking self esteem and willing to tolerate this abuse).

30 Wedge April 8, 2009 at 4:49 pm

This be-yotch’s article is like me telling the world to stop drinking beer while I order another pint.

31 dokdoforever April 8, 2009 at 4:50 pm

I think Jessica Kim’s article really reveals more about her and some Gyopo’s own issues with Korea and America than anything else. Some Gyopos have a really hard time with the notion that someone from the US without Korean ancestry could have a genuine interest in learning about Korea and making a connection to the country. Maybe they feel that the Korean part of their identity as Korean Americans is somehow threatened by non-ethnic Americans making connections to Korea, or they feel jealous about how they think non ethnic Americans are received in Korea – while they as Korean Americans are viewed as imperfect Koreans by many natives Koreans, whites in Korea are not held to that standard and congratulated if they say “anyunghaseyo.” And that’s not fair – since those stupid whites are losers with low SAT scores.

Korean-Americans who feel that whitey has it easy in Korea really have a pretty superficial understanding of the lives of ex-pats in Korea, I think. Yes whitey may be viewed as exotic in Seoul -but she has no idea how difficult it is for white ex-pats to make an attempt t ‘integrate’ into Korean society – it’s just about impossible, and it has nothing to do with language. Non-ethnic Koreans in Korea are held at that margins of society, for the most part. As a Korean-American she has the unique opportunity to fully integrate into both societies – the last thing she needs to be doing is putting down those denied that chance solely on the basis of their race.

32 newspaperman April 8, 2009 at 4:58 pm

@Guy

No kidding… check out this headline typo on the KT site right now:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/04/117_42773.html

foriegners? Bloody hell, spell check!

33 judge judy April 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm

nice headline typo, but the comment section at the bottom takes the cake.

34 bumfromkorea April 8, 2009 at 5:15 pm

So, while everyone’s attention is still here, my very white-looking and apparently mentally retarded, alcoholic, deadbeat, drug addict and probably a child-molesting friend is seriously considering coming to Korea to teach English. Any general or specific tips, advice, or words of wisdom you guys would like to offer to him?

35 Linkd April 8, 2009 at 5:17 pm

He sounds perfect.

36 Robert Koehler April 8, 2009 at 5:20 pm

I think a university in Daejeon has an opening for just such a fellow.

37 Guy Incognito April 8, 2009 at 5:27 pm

newspaperman

Now I’m really worried. Copyediting is usually done by real foreigners (not to be confused with foriegners) at the KT so that’s just inexcusable.

But seriously, copy editors are on contract. What’s happened to the guys running the show at KT? Who is the clown giving the Jessica Kims, Jon Huers and Shelton Bumsomethings of this world column space?

Am I wrong in suggesting standards have slipped at KT?

38 bumfromkorea April 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm

while the description of my friend was supposed to be a joke concerning the original post, the situation is quite real (white dude graduating with B.A. in Finance looking to teach English in Korea). Any advice for him?

39 Linkd April 8, 2009 at 5:40 pm

tell him to send me an email. Mrs Linkd loves charity cases, she’ll help him out.

40 Wedge April 8, 2009 at 5:57 pm

#37: KT has always had its share of writers who beclown themselves, at least since I started reading it in 1993. I don’t think it’s anything recent.

One of my favorites from that era was a Canuck who claimed violent American movies were ruining Korean culture.

41 SomeguyinKorea April 8, 2009 at 10:49 pm

#20,

900$ more per year?

Don’t complain. I’m paid about 150$ more…and that’s only because I’ve been at my job long enough to remember when some of my Korean colleagues we’re in my freshmen class.

42 SomeguyinKorea April 8, 2009 at 11:00 pm

“One of my favorites from that era was a Canuck who claimed violent American movies were ruining Korean culture.”

Propostorous, and more so when you remember that movies released in Korea were heavily censored back then.

43 thekorean April 8, 2009 at 11:23 pm

Robert @36,

Was that a dig on Bevers???

44 WangKon936 April 9, 2009 at 12:08 am

I think the Yangpa had a funny post about, errr, foreign English teachers with “questionable” qualifications:

http://yangpa.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/letter-to-the-editor/

THIS… is how you make fun of expats… ;)

45 JW April 9, 2009 at 12:32 am

People want to bitch and moan about the market being fucked up, but don’t want to admit that a fucked up market attracts — SURPRISE— fucked up people.

Sorry but you can’t have it both ways.

46 JohnT April 9, 2009 at 12:39 am

Look, it was the Koreans who created the problem in the first place. Fix the Koreans up before you fix “whitey” up.

I wish “whitey” had never come to save their ‘yellowie’ Korean asses back in 1950.

I hope “whitey” never comes to the rescue of Korean “yellowie” again.

After all, it was for the most part, but not entirely, “whitie’s” blood that was spilled for “yellowie” in Korea.

Anyway, thanks for this. I printed it off and saved it to my favorites to show people what Korea is like.

47 JW April 9, 2009 at 12:59 am

I’m not blaming the teachers, they are somewhat complicit, yes, but this is obviously a problem that Koreans have to solve.

48 seouldout April 9, 2009 at 1:07 am

Jess, what else have you written?

Excerpt: I wasn’t interested in giving myself an ulcer with another read-through, so I went and bought another one of Palahniuk’s books, Survivor. I spent this past winter break reading it. It’s about a guy that grew up in a cult. He knows more about bed linens than does Martha Stewart. His employers are into S&M. He runs a fake suicide hotline. And he’s afraid of sex. I can only imagine what kind of person you think I am for enjoying it. =) What can I say? People interest me, no matter how unconventional, shocking, or normal they seem. Everyone has a story.

C’mon Jess, what’s really stuck in your craw?

49 SomeguyinKorea April 9, 2009 at 1:15 am

#45,

It doesn’t help when some of the people doing the hiring are fucked up.

#47,

Complicit? As much as you can blame the wide receiver for losing a game when the quarterback wouldn’t be able to hit the side of a barn standing 10 feet away.

In other words, I certainly am not the one who’s stacked the deck against the students.

50 Linkd April 9, 2009 at 1:23 am

JW, when are you gonna get off your ass and just come over here and criticize us in person? That’s right: BE an English teacher! (Trans-Pacific flights are a steal right now)

51 WangKon936 April 9, 2009 at 1:32 am

Obviously, Jessica’s just a kid. She certainly writes like a kid. Your average 21-22 year old still in college who thinks they’ve got everything figured out.

At this point, I blame the KT for giving a kid a grown person’s platform.

Can they just stop giving gyopo college students a soap box? Can they just stop it, please? Seriously, as a gyopo myself it’s embarrassing, just like all the 12 year old writing Korean history articles on wikipedia!.. :(

52 WangKon936 April 9, 2009 at 1:36 am

I mean “just like all the 12 year olds.”

53 kimchi2000 April 9, 2009 at 2:06 am

Wangkon
about 99 percent of gyopos could care less about english teachers in korea. u talk as if many korean-americans are anti-esl teacher who let their gyopo frustration out by bashing esl teachers. u need to relax.
im sure not all white esl teachers are losers but the korea’s english industry have no standard when it comes to hiring a white esl teacher. she does have a valid point.

54 Mizar5 April 9, 2009 at 2:15 am

“At this point, I blame the KT for giving a kid a grown person’s platform.”

Hey, are we talking about the Korea Times?

55 WangKon936 April 9, 2009 at 2:20 am

She has a valid point but she DILUTES the hell out of it by making asinine generalizations. It betrays a thought process that has more holes in it than a cheese grater.

Again, as I’ve said so in other parts of this blog, if you are going to make comments, particularly anti-comments, please make intelligently delivered ones. Please! No one wants to look stupid and Jessica succeeded in spades! Sorry, but tough love from an oppa.

Also, I’ve spent a lot of time on wikipedia editing and writing Korean history articles from Koguryo to Admiral Yi Soon Shin. Do most of the stupid edits come from Japanese or Chinese nationals trying to slander Korean history? No. Most of the idiotic edits come from young gyopos from English speaking countries who add stupid shit like “Koguryo was a great Korean Empire…” or “Yi Soon Shin destroyed a thousand Japanese ships and killed 100,000 Japanese troops in one battle.”

I fix a lot of damage wrought by dumb but well meaning gyopos so I have a right to criticize.

56 kimchi2000 April 9, 2009 at 2:51 am

wangkon
i didnt know an asinine generalization would get u so riled up. shouldnt u gotten used to asinine generalizations by now? or do u only get riled up when young 20 something gyopo makes generization but not when 30 or 40 something expat makes asinine generalizations?

57 WangKon936 April 9, 2009 at 3:08 am

Yep, I get riled up when expats make asinine generalizations.

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/03/25/an-invasion-of-evil-wae-shoppers/#comment-217646

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/03/25/an-invasion-of-evil-wae-shoppers/#comment-217654

I would have been a lot nicer to Jessica if she had ranted in her personal blog. But since she decided to rant in a public forum… 10x the scorn.

58 Sonagi April 9, 2009 at 7:06 am

Was that a dig on Bevers???

I think Robert’s quip about applying to a university in Daejeon was a dig at the former California teacher who took up a post as a ‘professor’ in Daejeon after losing his teaching job stateside owing to allegations of unprofessional contact with students.

59 Granfalloon April 9, 2009 at 7:10 am

@Someguy,

Good God. What does that work out to per month in won? And that’s for having a master’s?

60 The Goat April 9, 2009 at 7:27 am

Pretty standard is all of *gasp* 100 000 won per month more with a Masters.

And people wonder why “qualified” people don’t come. The ones that stay or upgrade their paper qualifications – it is more than just money that makes them do so.

The system is fucked and the system drives the market. I don’t know how much simpler this can be.

61 Sonagi April 9, 2009 at 8:01 am

@seoulout:

I continue to be amazed that even college-educated netizens like Jessica fail to demonstrate even basic internet safety by online personal webpages private. It’s like leaving your doors and windows unlocked.

62 Sonagi April 9, 2009 at 8:01 am

@seoulout:

I continue to be amazed that even college-educated netizens like Jessica fail to demonstrate even basic internet safety by keeping online personal webpages private. It’s like leaving your doors and windows unlocked.

63 Granfalloon April 9, 2009 at 9:35 am

Mr. Goat,
I’ve been putting a lot of thought as to why some qualified teachers remain in Korea. I think it would make for a very interesting study. To be fair, no one becomes a career teacher for the money. And teachers in every country complain about bullshit administrative measures. But still, why do good, qualified teachers (and I know several) stay in a country that rewards them with resentment, to be part of a system that is only tangentially beneficial to the students?

64 Sonagi April 9, 2009 at 10:27 am

But still, why do good, qualified teachers (and I know several) stay in a country that rewards them with resentment, to be part of a system that is only tangentially beneficial to the students?

I think nearly all long-term foreign ESOL teachers are university instructors with teaching loads below 20 hours per week and at least two months of vacation a year. Good luck finding that back in North America. The job market in adult ESOL is saturated. Most postings are adjunct without benefits. I switched to K-12 because I wanted a permanent job with full benefits and a pension and happily discovered that I enjoy teaching young learners very much and wouldn’t go back to teaching adults even if there were permanent full-time vacancies in my area.

65 Linkd April 9, 2009 at 11:13 am

You have to answer that question from a lifestyle perspective, Granfalloon, not a professional one.

I’ve lived here since 1997, except for 2 years of business school. My last full year as an E2 was 2002, and I made 80mil won that year (take home pay) combining teaching, technical proofreading and voice acting. I also took 10 weeks of holiday that year. Mrs Linkd made 35mil as U-prof with 5 months holiday, but topped it up to 50 with other work. She also left the Uni with 20mil in severance and pension.

That’s pretty good, no? As a couple of DINKs, our household after-tax income exceeded US$100K. But that wasn’t the big thing. We enjoyed our lives. If you can’t find a way to enjoy your life here, then make coin and leave.

Teachers: DO NOT attempt to rationalize your time here from a professional standpoint. Your time in Korea is a black hole in your resume, no matter how you try to spin it. You cannot justify yourself to Koreans no matter where you work of what certificates you possess. Don’t try. The problems with ‘English’ in this country are not your fault. It’s their fault, and they know it even if they don’t admit it. Just do your thing, be nice to people, treat them with respect unless they cut you off in traffic or try to fuck you over on your pay.

Forget professional development. We are ALL living on government dole now, worldwide, whether we know it or not, and we probably will be for a few years more. You’re young, single, overseas, making money, fucking outside your phylum. Just be happy. Korea does let you do that.

66 Linkd April 9, 2009 at 11:50 am

Here’s another pointer: About 2-3 years in I was a total party animal. One day I realized I was going to the bank machine every 2 days and pulling out 300 – 500 bucks, and couldn’t remember where most of it went.

So, I opened up a second bank account WITHOUT getting a ATM card, and I get shoveling money into it. I was still a party animal, and although my lifestyle didn’t change a bit, somehow I was saving at least 2 grand a month. I think the difference is that last 100,000 – 200,000 won you spend after 3am on nights out.

67 Sonagi April 9, 2009 at 12:14 pm

80 mil and 10 weeks vacation and your wife earned an extra 50 million? You must have landed some lucrative gigs. I enjoyed learning Korean, but in retrospect, I sometimes wish I had spent that time doing privates. My friends brought back large savings that they used to buy or furnish their homes. I brought back a language that gathers dust in the closet like an unwanted Christmas gift. To the hustlers go the spoils.

68 Granfalloon April 9, 2009 at 1:05 pm

There’s a lot to be said for lifestyle. As a thought experiment, I made a list of the ten best, most professional teachers I’ve met in Korea. Seven of them are married to a Korean. Of the other two, one is gay and therefore can’t marry, and the other owns a successful business and teaches for supplementary income and visa simplification.

For all my griping (and I know there’s plenty), I am ultimately here because I choose to be, because some odd quirk of my personality likes being an outsider. And there are a lot of things about this country I really like. But I do indeed grow weary of people blaming the ills of English education in Korea on ill-prepared foreign teachers.

69 Robert Koehler April 9, 2009 at 1:37 pm
70 Granfalloon April 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Sorry about my poor math.

71 t_song April 10, 2009 at 1:08 am

I think Jessica’s writing came out immature, as many have said, but I taught English in Korea for a number of years–and ALL of my friends (gyopo, non-gyopo and Itaewon residents–haha, sorry) always employed the 80/20 rule.

That is, 80% of foreigners in Korea were there for all the wrong reasons. You wouldn’t want to make friends with them because of they were that guy wearing the Hello Kitty shirt, or they were the woman who obsessed on and on about Rain.

But 20%, and I’m guessing most of our highly literate readers and posters here are in this group, are dedicated, qualified and smart. I think roboseyo’s op-ed letter highlights how he’s in that 20%, safely, because as I read his piece, I thought of all the numbf*cks who I ran into while in the ROK.

Anyone else use the 80/20 rule? Or a variation of it? Am I wrong?

72 seouldout April 10, 2009 at 1:29 am

@ Songi,

Yep, ain’t it amazing?

@ Linkd’s #65 – I’m not a teacher, and I’m no longer in Korea, but those are some good words of advice.

Knuckleheads like Jess, JW, and wjk are simply jealous. No matter what you do, they still won’t feel good about themselves.

Treat the good ones respectfully, ignore the bastards, earn some money, and take the time to enjoy the world. You’ll have plenty of years remaining to work. Maybe.

73 seouldout April 10, 2009 at 11:16 am

80 million won!? For breathing!?

Gotta get me one of them professional white guy jobs.

74 Linkd April 10, 2009 at 12:03 pm

Yes, but you have to breathe reliably. Songai’s right that there was a lot of hustling involved. I was working at 4-7 locations a day and couldn’t have made that much without a motorcycle. The MSc in Biochem also helped with the technical proofreading, but the main thing – as with all jobs, really – is to show up on time, all the time, ready to do your job, and of course, looking goddam good. Cover those bases without causing your employer or your clients any headaches and money will come to you.

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