Well, North Korea finally launched the thing — Chosun Ilbo (Korean) report here, LA Times report here.
The Chosun Ilbo also has a cool graphic for rocket geeks.
In related news, South Korea has banned pistachios made by Setton Farms of Terra Bella, California.
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If this is at all significant, the currency will drop 100 won tomorrow. Having no opinion of my own, I await the market’s verdict.
My dear Linkd….you poor lost miserable soul…..for what purpose were you then put on this beautiful earth…pray tell? We await with baited breath? Or maybe you are a marmot in disguise? perish the thought!
I like how the newspapers clarify that fact after the rocket has been launched and not shot down. Whereas before they used the affirmative “will attempt to shoot the missile down (if it endangers US/Japanese territory)”. On the other hand The NYTimes consistently refers to is as a rocket (that’s all we know it is at this point) while only referring to it as a missile when conveying the Obama Administration.
While we are waiting for the last nail in the “missile test” coffin does anyone else want to take me up on my bet that this was an attempt to launch a satellite? It’s not to late…
Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, U.S. Rep. Howard Berman, had this to say about the North Korean rocket launch:
North Korean defiance is about as “alarming” as a fly landing on a pile of shit.
(sarcasm) If the North can launch satellites into orbit, they must be able to feed everyone. This launch will save 2MB tons of extortion money. Hurray for the North!
Perhaps they can try some kind of bilateral agreement, NK wil stop launching satellites when the US agrees to do the same. Ditto nuclear disarmment,
Arghaeri, if the U.S. goes all peacenik, how long before Russia and China really start shaping the world in their image backed up by their huge arsenals of nuclear weapons? The U.S. arsenal is a necessary deterrent against what would be the biggest land, and natural resource, grab since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
You seem to also suffer from wjk’s disease. Spouting nonsense with no intelligent thought.
GBevers – I’m with you on that one.
Prisoners dilemma. The incentive to cheat is too high.
The best line is still the Onion, from NK’s wimpy nuclear test:
From here.
I think NK rocket built by Chinese and Russian technology should have succeeded in whatever KJI had in mind.
However, their 2nd stage and 3rd stage did not separate and the rocket failed.
Could it be possible that US satellite shot x-ray to disable the rocket?
There are a lot of things civilians do not know about American military superiority.
NK is just a piece-of-shit trying to stir up the US and Japan to pay China.
The Chinese are responsible. Kick their ass.
son, go kill Kim Jongil, and
free the North Korean people.
Is Kim Jongil a direct descendant of the Shilla dynasty?
Tragically the most famous Korean in the world.
It’s not Yi Soonshin, Not Saejong, not Hwang Woosuk, it’s Kim Jongil.
sad, sad, sad.
One thing clearly proved is MD system is totally useless. US and Japan have wasted more than NK have.
Obviously, the major beneficiaries are China and Russia, especially. Russia might have a relief that they don’t need to concern about MD for the time being. Thanks to Dear leader.
Gerry writes that “North Korean defiance is about as ‘alarming’ as a fly landing on a pile of shit.”
Indeed Gerry. That was very well said. The only thin I’d add to that is that your comments in regards to the subjects of Dokdo of Japanese imperialism are about as “alarming” or “original” as a fly frolicking in shit.
I actually agree with wjk; it is f’ing unfortunate that KJI is the representative of all the Korean folks on this planet.
As much as SK tries to get its act together, something or someone always comes along to f it up (KJI, Dr. Hwang, Samsung/Daewoo/Hyundai/Hanwoo CEO mega-corruption, dipshit Mad Cow protests…)
Such is the drawback of the North and South being the “same blood.” You can pick your friends, but not your family (and all their noses) I reckon. I’m sorry, but if I were of Korean descent, I would in no way, shape, or form claim blood relations with those nut jobs up north. But, I am not Korean, therefore I can proudly state that blood, blood ties, blood types, blood sausage, blood letting, ancestral blood, “bad” blood vs. “good” blood, etc. mean absolutely zilch, zero, nil, nada, jack to me. How nice it is to be a free-thinking individual free of such tremendous nonsense.
Anyway, long story short: KJI is a dick.
Silly Tilly (#14) wrote:
In other words, you don’t have anything to add.
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Masalove is right. By not even trying to shoot down the rocket while, at the same time, calling it a threat and a violation of UN resolutions, both the US and Japan have essentially admitted that missile defense does not work. If you doubt that, then just listen to how both Japanese and US officials are stumbling over themselves in their attempts to explain why they did not try to shoot it down.
The US is essentially selling an alpha version of missle defense, and countries like Japan, who had the money to waste, bought it, not to protect their countries from missles, but to contribute to the development costs of a potentially viable system in the future. Missile defense is just the name of the wool being pulled over taxpayers’ eyes.
I think it would have been better to, at least, attempt to shoot down the rocket. Even if we had failed, we would have learned something from that failure, we would have saved money by not having to launch our own dummy target missile, and we would have shown North Korea that we are serious about stopping her development of ballistic missles. By not even attempting to shoot down the rocket, it looks as if we were cowered by North Korean threats.
Now, we look like pussies who are all talk and no action.
Charles Tilly, amen to #14.
Agreed with gbevers. But if they tried MD and failed, can you imagine the consequences? I can’t even imagine how many congressional hearing will be needed. What about Czech and Poland who agreed to offer the missile station for MD program against Russia? In common sense, yeah, they had to do something even if they failed. But the consequences are simply too huge..
@ Gerry #16:
Perhaps “add” was not the word I should have used. “Qualify” probably gets at the meat of the matter more effectively.
So thus, NK defiance is about as “alarming” as a fly in shit while the above statement is also equally true of Gerry’s statements in regards to his twin obsessions.
KJI thought, with the old class bully with the low IQ out, he might get in the popular circle when the new cool kid came in(indeed NK was tentatively nice about obama when reporting his election)
but when the NK wasn’t invited to the new kid’s birthday party(inaguration) – 씹혔다고 느꼈음 and he decided, i’ll show them.
i wonder if anyone’s tried acting more immature than they do and threatening them with even more crazy rhetorics, might shock them out of their system.
like screaming your head off and rolling on the floor when a child is throwing a tantrum sometimes stops the child who then looks at you like you are crazy, and then realizes that his tactics ain’t going to work.
inauguration
Well, according to Bloomberg, Korean stocks and currency are up on optimism that there won’t be a war (as if there would be one).
Silly Tilly (#19),
What has Dokdo got to do with this thread?
Some people here complain about my focusing too much on Dokdo, even on “open” and Dokdo-related threads, but even when I do not write about Dokdo, people still bring it up, including the Marmot, Wangkon, and now silly Tilly.
Why can’t the people here who complain about my Dokdo postings just admit that they enjoy reading them. The fact that you complain about them, even when I do not mention Dokdo, tells me that you read them and that you miss them. If you did not miss them, you would not be bringing them up in unrelated threads.
For all my Dokdo fans here, including you Silly Willy, you will just have to wait for some significant Dokdo related news to see more of my Dokdo posts. I know you must be about ready to pee your pants in anticipation, but there is just no much happening on the Dokdo front these days. The only thing I can suggest is that you go back and read some of my old postings. That should keep you satisfied in the meantime.
I’d like to link to Joshua’s Plan B here as I think it’s a good starting point for discussions about what should be done now.
I hear the Russians and Chinese are talking about not inflaming tensions over at the UN. Having failed to exert any kind of leverage over the North Koreans they’re now trying their luck with the international community. Surely they need to go along with something, otherwise they won’t have any credibility left. Since the North have said that any resolution at the UN would be seen as a declaration of war (aren’t they already at war with the UN?) I hope someone calls their bluff on this one.
I agree with exit86′s last comment at #15. More of that please.
1314 won to the dollar. My crystal ball has cleared it all up: Nork rockets don’t matter. Good thing I didn’t waste time worrying about it.
I really wonder how capable our missile defense systems are. This is the Aegis combat system, on a bunch of cruiser and destroyers, isn’t it? Wonder if it works.
North Korean news following the ‘success’ of the launch can be seen on Youtube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klZtIy9S9M8&
(Can also check the channel for some other goodies too… looks like an awesome resource).
SO it worked ihaveseoul?
\ELL DONE KOREA!!
Sticking it to the man.
Maybe the the hegemonic forces will start waking up to themselves and making preparations for a more egalitarian international community.
meanwhile we can now expect to enjoy more cultural television broadcasts.
I did use punctuation to try and express my own self-doubt… I don’t believe it was a success personally.
Bevers:”By not even trying to shoot down the rocket while, at the same time, calling it a threat and a violation of UN resolutions, both the US and Japan have essentially admitted that missile defense does not work.”
Stick to your day job bevers. Diplomacy and a sense of responsibility are obviously not your fortes.
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