Another Jon Huer Special, courtesy the Korea Times:
An interesting report tells of the huge Korean contingent that came out to cheer for the Korean team in the WBC tournament in San Diego, California, which also included an American team. It was also famously observed that, during the Los Angeles Olympics, the Korean Americans went all out, cheering for and feeding the Korean athletes. Along with this recollection, a research report on Asians in America ranked Koreans the “most isolated” of all Asian immigrants to America.
Even the “gyopo” population, those who are otherwise completely “Americanized” in behavior and language, seems to have no questions as to whose citizens they are in their hearts. It’s surprising how the gyopos have been taken out of Korea but Korea has not been taken out them at all. In so many ways, they display all the signs of being potential Robert Kims if their mother country comes calling for their “patriotic” duties. [emphasis mine --- Marmot]
Not surprisingly, a few of the regular readers and respondents of The Korea Times columns seem to reside in the United States, reading a Korean newspaper and regularly responding to what they read. Their attention to things Korean may appear quite normal to most Koreans. To me, it seems rather odd. Don’t these people live in America, working and occupied with things American? Why are they wholly and almost morbidly absorbed into Korea and things Korean while living and working in another country, presumably as its fully-fledged citizens and aspirants of great things for themselves in their country?
So, Jon, what are you suggesting here? Well, nothing, it would seem, but he does ask:
One final question that lingers in my mind is this: What are American officials in the government, who are charged with defending their nation from its foes, thinking of, concerning Koreans in America? Or, to put it in another way, can Koreans really become “American” in their hearts, and not just in fact?
Jesus, Jon.
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Even by Huer’s standards, a really bad piece.
Patriotism as well as personhood, race, ethnicity, identity as a 1st or 2nd generation immigrant in America are complex, and how complex these are- and, as well, how much that very complexity features openly as a part of the fabric of American life in particular- point to subjecs that Huer hardly understands and probably will never properly understand.
For a guy who has lived a complex life, John Huer sure does have an awfully simpleton view of culture and society, and not a very rich set of analytical skills.
Huer is a colossal idiot and I don’t think his columns deserve any more attention on your blog.
Can I sock this guy? Place a Great White in whatever Hawaiian beach he’s surfing at? Please… pretty please???
I mean… throw a ton of bloody, Great White Shark (or Tiger Shark or Bull Shark, it doesn’t matter) chum into whatever Hawaiian beach he’s surfing at.
Well, rest easy Jon, the US government still has camps left over from the concentration of Japanese immigrants during World War II. Based on your recommendations, I’m sure the FBI is already compiling a list of kyopos and fobs to round up and send on an extended vacation if the case ever arises. That should make you feel at ease, right?
I think they are just passing out PhDs at UCLA to any flip flop wearing beach bum who happens pass by.
Quite the piece of stereotypical work.
I hardly agree with the slippery slope Huer engages in. However, I think I’d call bull if anyone who has had long term experience with Korean-Americans hasn’t has this thought at some time. What did it for me was when one friend said to another: 넌 한국피가 흐르는 한국인이야 (You are a Korean with Korean blood flowing in you.) When I first heard it, I thought, ‘ha, that is quite the Korean thing to say’ and thought nothing more.
Now that, against the backdrop of the United States, a country founded on the principle that people from various backgrounds believe in a common set of beliefs and values, by which they can call themselves Americans, is striking. I can’t say American blood running through my veins. If I do, it’s usually a metaphor for my dedication to American values vice a biological fact.
So while it’s a given that just being Korean, you cannot be an American, but there seems to be this argument that keeps being referenced that having “Korean blood” ultimately trumps all else. But “Gyopo traitors”? Cmon.
… who happens TO pass by.
Jon Huer = Michelle Malkin – “sex Ann Coulter wannabe bitch political sellout whore” appeal
should read “sexy Ann Coulter wannabe bitch political sellout whore”
either that or he’s read a little too much into “The Native Speaker” by Chang Rae Lee.
I second the motion.
Michelle Malkin is much sexier than Ann Coulter. And this is a much more worthy debate than anything related to that gobshite Huer.
I liked the article. It made a lot of good points.
Robert,
You seem to be obsessed with with Mr. Huer. Did he make fun of your hanbok or call you a “whitey bastard” or something? Or maybe you just consider yourself more of an expert on Korean society?
Robert wrote:
At least, Mr. Huer writes something more than just short, snide remarks. If you disagree with him, why don’t you explain your views on the subject?
Dear Robert,
I think you’ve demonstrated time and time again that, although Mr. Huer has a unique position from which to write of the Han, his opinion is inevitably in contradistinction to the real world. Please, no more space on Mr. Huer – I second #3 and third #9.
But if you do, I also would like to see to Gerry’s question – did he dis your ‘bok?
While reading this article yesterday (can’t wait to see the fisking of today’s “top 10 things about Korea”) I thought of that stipulation in the U.S. Constitution that the President must be born on U.S. soil. It has been explained to me that this is so that the loyalty of a prospective president could not be divided between the U.S. and some other nation. Robert Marmot and I have discussed before whether a so-called “Arnie amendment” to the constitution, to allow those born elsewhere to run for president, was likely or a good idea. I think Robert said no on both counts.
While Huer’s analysis may be flawed inasmuch as he tries to make sweeping generalizations, I wonder whether being born one degree removed from another country is enough in all cases to avoid the problem of conflicted loyalties. I suppose it is conceptually possible to find a US-born person of parents from a particular ethnicity who might be more conflicted in his loyalties than an overseas-born person who goes by choice to the US as an adult and assumes US nationality.
It makes me wonder what purpose or effect that US constitution clause would have. Presumably, anyone whose loyalties are questionable would be sorted out at, if not well before, the ballot box.
Gerry: do you ever have anything positive to say?
Yep.
This topic reminds me of the perhaps fictional soldier in the HBO series Band of Brothers, an American of German ancestry whose parents “responded to the call of the Fatherland.”
Why people focus their attention on Asian loyalties is a bit interesting since Asians are not the only people with skewed racial-nationalism.
Alot of ethnic groups view themselves through a racial lens:
Blacks, Greeks, Italians, French, Russians, Hispanics, Japanese, Chinese, Anglo, or Celtic. The lens becomes most noticeable when one of their members wants to marry outside the tribe, unless, of course, they marry up, in which case, there is less resistance.
Usually this racism is carefully concealed as a linguistic prejudice… Korean-Americans just do a poor job of lying.
And I don’t mean language barriers, since all but the most recent immigrants do not natively speak their ancestral language anyway.
Gerry predictably writes:
“I liked the article. It made a lot of good points.”
Well Gerry, if that be the case, it could be argued that you yourself have the potential to be the same sort of fifth-columnist. After all, it’s been pretty well established your love of all things Japan. Who’s to say that when push comes to shove your having gone native (despite your very strange lack of Japanese language ability) won’t cause you to betray the country of your own birth?
“It’s surprising how the gyopos have been taken out of Korea but Korea has not been taken out them at all.”
It has they just don’t know it until they, come to Korea to stay and work, and get disabused of the notion.
Kudos to seb-tuck for considering that Huer might have a point. Granted, it’s a point that his gift for ass-hattery totally gets in the way of, but a point nonetheless.
Question is: do Koreans believe more so than other people that one’s ethnicity creates an obligation to a certain political and cultural entity? Honestly, I’m inclined to say “Yes.” But then again I myself don’t give a damn about my bloodlines, and I’ve always viewed people who do as the anomaly (when in fact the reverse is probably true).
Disloyal?! If he were alive today I’m Emperor Hirohito would state Koreans were amongst his most loyal subjects.
Heck, inflicting brutality on one’s future liberators has gotta count for something.
What is funny is I suspect that Gerry – back in the day, you see – was accused of having “gone native” the other way. That is, of being too pro-Korean.
Now the pendulum has swung the other way.
wangkon, tell us all truthfully.
did you get into USC, but not into UCLA?
Did you go there when it was ranked #41 in US World and News or when it was ranked #27?
everyone, even yoohaksaengs of my era acknowledged it was shit academically. For the time. Albeit, alumni is so much stronger in bond, and probably explains its betterhood in recent years.
what kind of dolt names a university after a tribe or nation that was wiped off the face of earth in defeat, over some pussy?
in other news, I have just noticed that a major US city is charging 10.5% sales tax. What the fuck!!!
this is a tax on breathing and living.
tax the rich my ass. You fucking lying Democrats. Blue eyed or brown eyed, I don’t fucking care. You knew you were lying thru your teeth, when you said you were gonna only tax 5% of the American rich. It was mathematically impossible, indeed.
watch out for blue eyed and brown eyed’s taxes on gasoline, alcohol, breathing, basically. The most unfair tax of all. Sales tax. The one tax that even illegal immigrants pay, and don’t even get credit for.
gyopos are not traitors. Look at Mexican Americans.
Enough said.
Koreans are good immigrants. They don’t use and bankrupt social services. They could seriously not use any of it.
“Presumably, anyone whose loyalties are questionable would be sorted out at, if not well before, the ballot box.”
Perhaps, unless you get a big enough block vote from some ethnicity (not really a danger in the States). I am in favor of keeping the requirement so we do not have to deal with a case where, Heaven forbid, Arnie got elected president and we have to nuke Austria.
BTW, here is what the Constitution says: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Arnie is out unless he is secretly well over 200 years old. A natural born citizen is someone who is born American. In the case of the last election, both McCain and Obama qualified by virtue of being the natural born children of Americans (McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone). The whole Obama birthplace conspiracy theory is moot because he is a natural-born citizen no matter where his American mom plopped him out. I understand that there is disagreement on that point.
I wonder if Jon Huer has the balls to apply his reasoning to various Zionist organizations such as Hadassah, administrators of any well-funded JCC programs, participants of Taglit-Birthright Israel, and other American Jews with strong political and emotional ties to Israel. Not even Michelle Malkin is that stupid (or is she?)
https://secure.progressnowcolorado.org/page/smartproxy/www.progressnowcolorado.org/page/-/malkinrelease1.jpg.
Hamel (#16) wrote:
Hey, I said I liked Mr. Huer’s article. It is Robert and most of the other commenters here, including you, who are being negative.
Andy, thanks for your explanation of why you would not support any so-called “Arnie Amendment.” However, I don’t really feel you have responded to my point.
My point is this: let us take a hypothetical gyopo that Jon Huer is writing about, who is born in the US to Korean parents. He studies Korean at saturday school, attends a Korean church every Sunday and goes to the “motherland” each year for extended vacations with relatives.
How would being a “natural born Citizen” make him *in and of itself* any less susceptible to having divided loyalties than, say, an Arnold S. who comes to the US in adulthood, and chooses US citizenship.
What I don’t understand about you “anti-arnie amendment types” is you seem to think that being born in the states would make a person automatically more loyal (regardless of their ethnic/national background) than someone who actively chooses US citizenship (and in some cases even serves in the military to earn it).
Gerry Bevers:Koreans::Martin Luther in his dotage:Jews
Gerry, thanks for giving the expected answer.
Do you ever have anything positive to say about Korea or Korean people (that doesn’t somehow related to Imperial Japan)?
US should be wary of Robert Kim-types. Those types have NO remorse for what they do, and they are celebrated as heroes in their “mother” land.
Gerry — he said bad things about the Japanese, too:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/02/117_39663.html
So can I continue making short, snide remarks now?
Oh, and in case you decide to email the good professor, here’s a sample of what you’ll get:
http://anexpatinkorea.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/i-have-a-talent/
Mr. Huer speaks the majority view in America (that is non Asian, white American view) of Asian Americans.
white people are dumb. They come to Korea and try to teach us what ideal race relations are. At home, they live as far away from other races as their cars allow them to.
Most ‘Koreatowns’ in the USA are cohabitats with Latin Americans. LA, Chicago, New York City, Palisades Park, Atlanta area, etc.
it’s not uncommon for someone from Idaho to ask, what is your REAL name?
Ok, Lothor.
KA’s loyalty, to me, has been showed to align mostly to themselves, not in anyways to Korea.
They cheer for Korea in sporting events that they usually don’t give a rat’s ass about. 90% of gyopos here cannot tell you you hits #4 in each and everyone of the KBO clubs. (You can count them with your damn fingers, for crying out loud).
Yet, they overwhelmingly voted for Commicrats. The same Commicrats who have vowed not to do the KORUS FTA, who have yet to do anything to stop the North Korea missile launch, and keep mum about two East Asian US citizens trapped in Pyongyang. Yea, all we get are ‘if Korea can do it, US should be able to do it’ type racist, xenophobic speeches, from a man who was given a lot of lift just by being a different race.
KA’s do not vote in the interest of motherland Koreans.
KA’s love Japanese cars. They don’t buy anything in the interest of motherland Koreans.
It’s a shame this piece wasn’t posted on St. Patrick’s Day for maximum irony. All those green-wearing potential traitors to the American way . . .
Don’t blamed the Koreans, take a look at Jews and Chinese people in US.
most of you foam at the mouth when Kim Daejung is mentioned, unless you are from Jeollado.
Obama’s military man announced he will NOT shoot down the North Korean flying object.
DEAD silence from our liberal gyopos at the Hole.
Only two claim they are from Jeollado. thekorean and bumfromkorea.
However, NONE are accusing the new executive govt of anything remotely parallel to what they accuse the Kim Daejung govt of.
why? they’re both doing the same thing.
if these gyopos cared about Korea as a whole, they’d be hammering out how the current US govt is mishandling the whole thing.
but, like I said, they give a rat’s ass about what people in Korea think about Korea.
succinctly, they care more about how much dwaen jang will cost at Super H or Assi market tomorrow, or how much their US house is worth, or whether or not their US stocks will rise, and how they can pay as little as possible in US taxes (the irony).
the Korean cheering is all too superficial. You accuse of being draft dodgers, right? There you go. We value our current lives WAY more than 2 years of free labor to the ROK army in Korea. Even Baduk served the USFK, not the ROK Army. That brings the total number to ZERO who served in the ROK army and claim to be a gyopo here at the Marmot’s Hole. Another beautiful day comes to and end, and this Mr. Huh? is wrong.
Robert Koehler (#32) wrote:
Silly logic, Robert. You can agree with someone on a certain issue without agreeing with them on everything.
Of course, you are free to continue making your short, snide remarks rather than explaining what, exactly, you did not like about Mr. Huer’s article, but then you would essentially be saying, “nothing,” right?
I have a feeling that you would post snide remarks about Mr. Huer even if he were only commenting on the weather.
Perhaps.
On a positive note, though, Gerry, congratulations for making three straight comments without mentioning Dokdo.
34. “They come to Korea and try to teach us what ideal race relations are.”
Who is “us” wjk, aren’t you an american living in america, what can we teach you by coming to korea?
34. At home, they live as far away from other races as their cars allow them to.
My home is in korea, I am surrounded by another race, I make no attempt to move away. In my native country I have lived in the same house with other races, worked in a multi-racial companies, and lived in a multi racial city. I don’t know many koreans who can say the same thing (most of Seoul cannot be considered multi racial, let alone the rest of korea). Where I am from the worst split of races in terms of living location is those from the Indian Subcontinent who have a habit of buying up areas over the years and importing their relatives to join them. Subsequent third generation, who have to a large degree by then integrated, are then more inclined to move with the general populace on economic ground, i.e. to the places with the best scholls, housing etc…
“You can agree with someone on a certain issue without agreeing with them on everything. ”
What points of his do you not agree with?
Jon Huer is a god amongst trolls.
Oh come on… If Jon Huer was to comment on the weather, it would be in a page-long column commenting on how Korea has 4 seasons and somehow, that makes Koreans different from ‘western’ folk.
Gerry,
I’m going to ask you another silly question. What did you think about the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII?
wjk,
I don’t need to give you any additional details about my schooling given no one knows anything about where you came from.
It’s typical for us to make fun of UCLA grads in jest and the favor is returned back with equal glee.
WangKon936 asks:
“Gerry,
I’m going to ask you another silly question. What did you think about the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII?”
Listen Gerry, this looks like it’s going to be another bloodbath. My suggestion is that you stop when you’re only somewhat deep in the hole. You know, conserve your energy to argue over the matter that truly concern you and ONLY you.
Regarding Robert Kim, I remember that numerous Jewish organizations that were working for Jonathan Pollard’s release or reduction of sentence, actually pointed to the Korean-American community’s open support for Kim as an example that they should follow.
Basically these Jewish organizations were disappointed in their fellow Jews because so few had come out in support of Pollard, and the implication was that it was primarily out of fear of seeming unpatriotic, or having divided loyalties, and it would make the entire Jewish community in America look bad.
They pointed at Korean-American groups as setting a good example, because they publicly supported Kim, packed the courtroom during his trial in support, and raised money for his defense. I don’t know the exact quotes, but the general gist of their argument was that Korean-Americans didn’t care if they looked unpatriotic or disloyal, and that their priorities were with their own people and their motherland, and that if more Jews were like Koreans, maybe Jonathan Pollard would’ve received a lighter sentence as Kim did.
Sounds like this question’s for you, JW. Any insights?
But how can that be, when Huer’s book has been listed as one of the “greatest American social criticism” works. Oh, wait. HE listed himself in that category.
So he’s clueless AND a narcissist. And if this is the type of writing that got him his Ph.D, it must have been thru UCLA’s faculty of Bazooka Joe.
#29,
There is no fool-proof way of insuring loyality from anyone, especially if there are strong ethnic or social ties to the Old Country. The natural-born citizen clause just eliminates one factor. It makes sure the president is at least a half-generation removed from country X.
$50 Andy:
I am not sure that it does. If Barack Obama can get elected despite having spent many years of his childhood growing up outside the United States (and I am not saying that is a bad thing), then what would make it impossible for one of these Korean “fly-in-give-birth-fly-out babies” to get elected? I dopn’t know if you have followed the stories here at the Hole, but many Korean babies each year are born on American soil each year for the passport. Perhaps their parents are already planning the takeover of the US by a future gyopo president.[wink]
Okay, I will grant you it is unlikely. But it is certainly a lot more possible now than it was when the framers of your Constitution wrote that hallowed document.
I think Huer needs to take a lesson in geography. It’s North Korea that is threatening to launch a missile, not South Korea (where first generation Korean-Americans come from).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
dooduhgwie,
it is my acute observation that in the US, ‘the best schools’, the ‘best housing’ shifted from where ‘inner city’ areas to ‘white suburbs’.
Koreans in the United States do live in US ‘Koreatowns’, and you can verify for yourself.
these are also ‘Latino’ towns and they are integrated.
the ‘best schools’, ‘best housings’ are usually places in the US, with ‘illegible streets signs at night’ (on purpose to deter theft), and high local real estate taxes to fund the damn best public schools.
wangkon, fair enough.
the conclusion is that Koreans do live integrated.
whites in US don’t integrate by choice. It’s a kind of filter system. Ex) Dude of different race went to get a college degree thru affirmative action, got past so many national tests, got into this company by race quota, etc, then…
white man claims he lives ‘integrated’.
LOL.
it’a an educational and employment filter to make sure you’re not hiring/mingling with a ethnic minority who you perceive is closer to a
rap star,
afterall, in Korea, your APT neighbors are all Koreans, and they’re not ‘lynching’ you, like they used to in some parts of the US, nor are they massively leaving the APT empty, like they still do in many parts of the US. What’s that? Detroit? White people from that area need to do a lot of bansung. Sonagi, that’s you.
Don’t ever tout Germany as some kind of leader in integration and acceptance. They did that AFTER a lot of unusual punishment.
Jon ‘Huh?’, get a clue. Gyopos aren’t doing South Korea a favor anytime soon. Gyopos in ROK will gladly flee ROK, if ROK was in economic crisis, for example.
Do you see what I did?
I actually defined the purpose of immigration for some gyopos who immigrated to the US in the last 10 years or so, legally or illegally.
We gyopos claim that we will fight for ROK, if ROK was in war. Really? I don’t think so. We never went to goondae. First of all, we wouldn’t know which boodae to report to.
we’ll be no different than Baek Namjoon.
that’s the honest truth.
now, they might call for docs.
will they call for lawyers? We need lawyers on the front line. Chuckles. I guess you can train them to do chest compressions.
most gyopos, including me, will be watching the next Korean war on CNN.
the war will be most likely done and over within 48 hours.
i will grow pretty testy if gyopos joined Democrats and said, ‘there is no need for the US to get involved in this war’, or some bullshit like that.
go to hell if that’s your mindset.
just a curiosity, those of you who watched the medal ceremony (the whole thing, not a clip on the news) of world figure skating championship, and saw yuna kim’s tears as the aeguka played out and flag raising, how many of you felt tears welling up? i found myself anseup(moist eyeballs)ing. and i don’t even like figure skating, or the way korean media and people are making a big fuss over yuna kim.
i think that’s what patriotism is. that feeling.
it’s also the faces of white-american middle aged ladies bawling their eyes out filling the TV screen during obama’s inauguration.
it’s not about being traitors or being confused about one’s identity or what passport one holds.
it’s about lurve and pride.
If KA’s are so unconcerned with the motherland as some of the resident Gyop’s here contend, then why the Dokdo paraphernalia on dry cleaning bags and the serial harassment of educational boards and state and municipal authorities by large numbers of their ranks?
Hey, lemme ask a question. Does Kim Yuna’s success really increase Korea’s international brand image in any material way? For example, does her win help the international business success of big companies like LG or Samsung *at all*? I’m really having my doubts. I’m beginning to think it’s more of a ploy to get Koreans to think of the domestic brands she endorses as being “world class”.
Just a thought. If I’m being ridiculous, please let me know.
Hey Linkd, we still have the olympics before us. We are teammates as far as I’m concerned, and I’m not saying a damn thing against the canadians until we bask in glory over them scheming japanese just ONE MORE TIME.
no. yuna is a national hero, after all, so one could only use her effectively to endorse a product within korea. and anyway, no other country(maybe japan) would be crazy enough to fall for such blatant “national hero” = “any product one can possibly think of” commercial style. korean consumers are not conned into believing that the brand she endorses is a world class per se, they are just buying into the -champion-star-shining-bright-personality of hers, and also hoping that somehow their preference for the product is going to raise her 몸값 so that she can earn more money that they feel she deserves(as they’ve heard her triumph over 열악한 조건)
Hmnnnn, I see, thanks. But see, that’s the thing. Her being a national hero is predicated on the belief that her success = increase in Korea’s “brand image”, or “soft power”, as they like to call it, no?
If I’m reading you correctly, Yuna, Koreans don’t actually believe in that, is that right?
you know i am no jon huer
imho, koreans are happy and proud that more people around the world might get to know about korea (therefore raising the brand “korea”) through such a shining example(as opposed to those so called hallyu *world star* types like rain etc which an increasing number of koreans are voicing they don’t quite have the world star quality and are overhyped)
about the brand 인지도 within korea, people are not fools, i.e. maeil milk is not any better milk than seoul milk. but they like the fact that their money goes to the smart companies who chose to pay Yuna lots of money as opposed to some brainless soap actress.
but having said all that, i am just waiting to see this backfire and blow up in everyone’s face. for someone so young she seems to handle such a tremendous pressure and 부담 placed on her so well when i see her in interviews.
positive expectation & hero-making at such an intense level is often just as bad as negative ones. i just hope the koreans ease off a little, and let the girl do her own thing.
‘An interesting report tells of the huge Korean contingent that came out to cheer for the Korean team in the WBC tournament in San Diego, California, which also included an American team. It was also famously observed that, during the Los Angeles Olympics, the Korean Americans went all out, cheering for and feeding the Korean athletes.’
So we go from partiality towards some team in what is ultimately a silly sporting event to questioning one’s patriotism. I like the Irish football (soccer) team when they come up against the Americans, mostly because it is in Ireland where my father was born. I guess that wipes out three years of service in the American military.
Huer is a major league douche bag.
Yuna, but I see a definite major incentive for the Korean business and their media friends to hype up this supposed major increase in Korea’s recognition around the world.
More hype leads to greater support of the companies that Yuna endorses, no?
I am a big fan of conspiracy theories, as you can see, but I think this is so obvious that it doesn’t even count as one.
About Huer’s comments regarding the Koreans about the Olympics, I definitely agree with the commenters above that this is not only a “Korean” thing. I know plenty of like 5th generation Americans (mostly Caucasians of a variety of ethnicities) who are like 1/16th Italian, but rooted for El Azuzurri during the last World Cup. No one really called them anti-American at the time.
For the WBC, most Americans simply didn’t care. Who was it? Jake Peavy who implored Americans to look at how the Asian countries were being supported. For 1st and 2nd generation Koreans, I understand the dilemma. But wasn’t this the same of most other immigrants in other communities, be it Italian, German, Swedish?
#66,
Do you think they really need to?
It’s not as if the media ever publishes anything that should turn public opinion against the corporations (not that most people would care).
Koreans talk shit about Americans and non-Koreans all the time in their media.
Cartoons of SE Asian men chasing an innocent Korean girl with a knife ring a bell?
They are getting back what they give. If they don’t like it, they shouldn’t do it. I don’t feel sorry for them and never will.
I do not agree with Huer totally. I know a few Gyopos who are totally loyal to America and don’t really care about Takeshima and all that other shit. That’s what it is, shit.
The Gyopos who act, think and speak otherwise are draft dodgers plain and simple. Many of them are posters on the boards here.
With one or both of their countries at war, they are double hypocrites.
You’d think that this, combined with the Korean pure blood bullshit, would motivate the gyopo draft dodgers to join the ROK military, but they don’t.
Until then, they are nothing but draft dodging hypocrites who should keep there traps shut.
My apologies to those Gyopos who are fine American patriots, there are many.
The reality is that most of the world doesn’t give a shit about Kim Jong Il, Takeshima or Korea in general.
Nuff said.
JohnT,
“I know a few Gyopos who are totally loyal to America and don’t really care about Takeshima and all that other shit. That’s what it is, shit.”
Assimilation takes time. Who’s to say that in 30 years gyopos will be as assimilated as Japanese Americans today?
The Gyopos who act, think and speak otherwise are draft dodgers plain and simple.
Can you explain to me how one becomes a “draft dodger” if they were brought to the states by their parents typically (way) before the age of 18?
The reality is that most of the world doesn’t give a shit about Kim Jong Il
Oh, I’d say there are 120 million Japanese ppl who care about him. He’s a big boggie man in that country. Personally, I believe their fear in him is a bit irrational.
It’s the kidnapping thing. Bush kidnapped ONE Canadian and ‘rendered’ him to Syria to be tortured in a dungeon. It turned him into a bogeyman for us, too. Japan has lost dozens of citizens into KJI’s black hole.
Surely you don’t think it’s irrational to fear being Gitmo’d? There’s not much difference, really.
I once lived with a Japanese exchange student and he quaked in fear of Chozen-jin coming into the night to kidnap him instead of a Kan Ko Ku Jin like me because the worst I’d ever do is fart in his face if he hogged the TV too long.
There were like what? 20 people kidnapped by the North Koreas? It’s an irrational fear in my book.
Probably right. Things seem less scary now that the sun’s coming up…
Let me ask another question. First, consider the possibility that shared loyalty is not automatically a bad thing in its entirety. I know it’s hard, but try. Then imagine two scenarios. One where two countries are competing against each other for scarce resources, with people in each country 100% loyal to their respective countries. Then consider the second scenario, where two countries are in the same way competing for resources, but where the the people of each country have something like 50/50 shared loyalty, 50 for the country of residence, and 50 for the other country.
In which scenario is there a greater chance of war occurring?
My guess — the first scenario.
#69 – “Assimilation takes time. Who’s to say that in 30 years gyopos will be as assimilated as Japanese Americans today?”
A very good point. Most Korean Americans are relatively new arrivals when compared with Italian, Irish, Polish, German, Greek, or Japanese Americans.
I predict a huge proportion will be somewhat to very assimilated in another generation, not to mention an increasingly higher percentage married to non-Koreans. It’s already happening.
I remember back in the crazy beef protest days gyopos came out pretty much unanimously regarding the safety of U.S. beef and what did some protestors say? They said that gyopos were disloyal to Korea and would join the U.S. Army and fight Korea, etc.
You wouldn’t do something mean like that, would you?
I actually did it once when he was half asleep on the sofa. Yeah, I was younger back then. He was an exceedingly messy person. I was tired of picking up after him. There is a stereotype that Japanese people are uniformly clean. Ummm… that stereotype is not true.
Unlike large, diverse countries like America and China for example, Korean’s consider themselves a “race,” don’t they.
What is the historical experience related people who consider themselves a race at all costs?
And all the anti-semitic pap and bile that has eminated from Korea (actually from the Universities no less) in the past few years? Please.
Figure it out for yourself guys.
The internationalists and big boyz always win out in the end against the racists and small-minded.
Things never change.
And actually, to answer my own question, I would say that they chose violence to protect their race at all costs. With tragic consequences.
In the final analysis with many innocent and good people’s lives lost along the way, they never won anything from their own racism.
DDII, that’s a bit of a slippery slope you went down there, wouldn’t you say?
Korean attitudes re: race = Nazism = Violent, tragic consequences (for minorities in Korea?)
I think by the next generation Korean-Americans, in total, will be assimilated into American culture, but I’m wondering how the situation will be viewed from the ROK. From what I know, the bi-racial Korean-Americans in Korea (unless your name is Daniel Henney or something) tend to be looked on as foreigners–even among their own families. So, presumably, as more K-A’s, both guys and girls, marry with other races, I wonder if the ties back to the “motherland” will be weakened or altered.
This was hilarious…
Jon Huer answers a critic!
http://anexpatinkorea.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/i-have-a-talent/
The money shot, “I have a Ph.D. from UCLA, not exactly an idiot school.”
True Jon, but in this case the PhD from UCLA is just sloppy academic lipstick on an unintelligent pig.
#83,
When I began reading that entry, I was pretty sympathetic to Huer, given that the original e-mail was nasty and unreasonable.
But Huer’s response was even more asinine.
WangKong,
You are a slippery slope Kyopo.
In other words, shut you racist cake-hole.
That’s funny DDII. What is my slippery slope? Can you identify it? Quote the offending passages?
You get a cookie if you can…
Aw, USC and UCLA grads seem to have all the fun in this part… where are all the Stanfurd grads that I can shit on?
The only Stanford alum I’m familiar with is a fake one.
http://wangkon936.xanga.com/594463043/azia-kim-stanford-imposter–book-deal-and-hbo-special-coming-soon/
My ex went to Cal. All I know is that she use to wear makeup and dress up every day before she transferred. After she came back, she never wore makeup anymore and wore sweats and flats all the time. Damn you Cal… Damn you East Bay…
That sounds about right, about your ex. The unofficial motto at Cal was: “Liberalize your expectations.” There was one year when Playboy selected Cal as one of the top ten colleges with hottest girls, and everyone at Cal was in disbelief. My roommate groaned, “Have they even been here?” He subsequently transferred to Univ. of Florida, and is soon marrying a hot woman from thereabouts.
When I was at Cal, the joke was that 9 out of 10 girls in California are good looking. The tenth goes to Cal.
DLB
Stanford is a slight step up from USC, but basically just there for rich kids who were rejected by Cal, just as USC is first choice for money-wasters who couldn’t make the cut to get into UCLA.
Walking the streets of Telegraph Ave. I remember seeing ladies walking in “comfortable” shoes, in ugly one piece dresses obviously not wearing a bra (in a bad way) who might be decent looking if they combed their hair, put on a little makeup (especially foundation), showered regularly, plucked body hair, upgraded from the thrift shop wardrobe, got on a diet…
… comb their hair, not combed.
If I had to pinpoint some potential traitors it would be these annoying West Coast/People’s Republik of California gyopos. It’s like we have us a sleeper cell of closet 5th columnists within our midst. Don’t let all this idle and foolish girly talk fool anyone. “Da Korean” is the biggest suspect. Can’t trust a guy who can’t drink without his face turning red and use profanity.
Hey, don’t look at me. I live and work in Orange County, a Republican bastion in California, God’s country, a bright beacon of red in a drowning sea of socialistic, unamerican blue…
“Da Korean” huh? I prefer “A Korean” because “The Korean” would imply that he has special magical powers and turning red after one beer doesn’t qualify.
everyone should acknowledge the following, concerning Universities in the state of California.
#1 Stanford
#2 CAL
#3 UCLA
#4 USC
#5 UCSD
intentionally not counting Cal Tech, the Pomona/Harvey Mudd stuff, etc, for convenience.
Traditionally, people who went to USC did not get into UCLA nor Stanford for certain.
Back in the days, USC handed out scholarships like candy to every freshman. The catch was, if your GPA dipped below 3.5? or something like that, they take it away. So, it’s basically a candy for the first few semesters or so.
Thus, still the University of Spoiled Children.
I will give lots of credit to USC for its alumni power.
1/ they overcame a lot of stigmas. Their most famous football alumnus was also the most famous former athelete murderer of all-time. Winning again made people forget that.
2/ they have a lot of rich alumni. Whereas Cal and Ucla cannot conceivably expand or improve at will to better themselves, USC as a private rich school can do it. USC steadily creeped up from below UCSD to a notch below UCLA, traditionally the harder school to get into.
3/ they support sports. Baseball, Football. Still suck ass in hoops. Probably doesn’t have ice hockey, but I didn’t think UCLA did, either.
USC is still the school for people who are a little bit dumber, but have more money.
i mean, USC is by no means Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Princeton, you know? The real private education institutes of higher learning that charge as much as USC, if not more.
by saying that, I’m laughing. It’s making me laugh, dude.
and Stanford is head and shoulders above USC.
Robert,
Just for the record, do you agree with WK? Are “blue” voters un-American?
DLB
DLB,
Just in case you don’t know, I’m just kidding.
DLBarch — No. Just slow
David Dodge II — Congrats. You’ve just joined the ranks of the banned.
It’s every American’s right to think, and to vote for, whatever whackadoodle, evil thing he wants. The Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Democratic Party — it’s all good.
Is the average Kyopo no more likely to be traitors to the US than the average white American? You have to add racial factors to treason to the regular ideological and monetary factors, so a higher level of risk seems like a no-brainer. I find it had to believe that the CIA etc, would not take this into account in their recruiting.
If the kyopo posting here are a representative sample, we can safely assume that any treason would be justified as abolishing whiteness, or somesuch.
WK – Glad to hear that, bro.
Brendon – Conflating the Dems with the Communists and Nazis? Even in jest? You? Really? Say it’s not so!
Stay classy, y’all.
DLB
shakuhachi (#103):
Ah, you and your safe ass-umptions.
I wondered if you would come in here and try to stir the pot a little. Hope it’s not too late.
CIA should not hire Chinese heritage people.
Even people with family only in Taiwan and none in mainland China have stolen things like missile designs, etc.
I heard a Detroit whiteman who formerly lived there and relocated (fled), say that Detroit used to have Japanese businessmen villages where the Japanese sent and took back E-2 status workers for the sole purpose of copy catting Detroit and to headquarters in Toyota, Honda, etc.
take that, shakunakubaku. You piece of crap.
i’m really straing to think of korean 5th columnests who betrayed the us,besides rob kim
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.
“I find it had to believe that the CIA etc, would not take this into account in their recruiting.”
Shak,
They don’t ask you directly. It’s part of the lie detector test. They focus on members of your family that are recent arrivals from the mother countries and ask you how you “feel” about them and also if you have any relationships with anyone who is not a family member and not a U.S. citizen. At least that’s what they did in 1998.
Also, the CIA aggressively advertises to Asian Americans:
https://www.cia.gov/ads/pdf/CCB10632_ads_150dpi_p4.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/ads/pdf/CCB10632_ads_150dpi_p1.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/ads/pdf/CCB10521m_OpLogistics.pdf
WK, did you apply back in ’98, or what?
No comment.
“Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.”
wow colontos, for a guy who comes to wjk’s defense when people don’t want him here, you sure did quickly applaud the banning of a guy who posts his own opinions in one post and who’s posting style seems to emulate your buddy wjk: staccato sentences, reposting after himself, blabbing about race/racism, off-his-meds outbursts at other posters, etc. almost seems like a thinly-veiled sock of wjk. His points were about as valid as wjk’s too. why no outrage colontos???
“…posts his own opinions in one thread…”
David Dodge was a Chinese troll, paid by the PRC.
And can we fucking STOP throwing the word ‘meds’ around?
yeah, I didn’t think you could defend yourself there.
you pretty much did what you verbosely chastised the wjk and pawi detractors for last week. All that thought and time that you put into your manifesto last week (which was in some parts quite thoughtful indeed, I’ll give you) and a few days later you prove yourself to be sancitmonious. sorry guy.
and the “meds” comment was a last second edit just for you^^
If I must…
Why it’s different:
1) DDII was not the subject of widespread derision, and did not have crowds of people calling for his banning. Most people ignored him, as I generally did.
2) DDII was obviously a pure troll. Come on, man. Whatever you think about wjk’s thoughts, he’s posting what he thinks.
3) RJK banned DDII, and he did not ban wjk (or unbanned him, at least). One of the main problems I had with those calling for wjk to be banned is: RJK doesn’t seem to want to ban him, and if that’s the case, mind your own!
4) I never called for DDII to be banned. I simply expressed my support for his ban when it occured. It’s much different than people responding to EVERY post by wjk by saying, “Robert, please ban him.”
Nope, I didn’t. It’s completely different. But thanks for playing!
# 110,
Okay, I’ll say one thing about that.
The CIA needs their fresh-out-of-college, underpaid, pencil pushing cubile slaves too.
Regarding DDII and wjk and banning.
DDII was probably banned because he made dumb comments without at least explaining himself. wjk also makes dumb comments, but at least provides the amusement of [trying] to explain himself.
#118,
You really think that’s explanation-to-self commenting? I’d say incoherency at its finest, along with a dose of racism.
How is that racism?
To Gbevers in #38:
So you don’t agree with John Huer that the Japanese committed terrible atrocities in WWII, Gerry?
Matt wrote in #103:
“Is the average Kyopo no more likely to be traitors to the US than the average white American?”
The average kyopo is NOT more likely to be a traitor to the US than the average white American. Yep, you got it right, Matty boy.
“You have to add racial factors to treason to the regular ideological and monetary factors, so a higher level of risk seems like a no-brainer. I find it had to believe that the CIA etc, would not take this into account in their recruiting.”
Then why has the CIA been recruiting Korean-American and Chinese-Americans like there’s no tomorrow, Matty boy?
“If the kyopo posting here are a representative sample, we can safely assume that any treason would be justified as abolishing whiteness, or somesuch.”
These words of yours made absolutely no sense, Matty boy. Care to explain?
Target practice? Knife holders? Attack dog training dummies? Kitchen help?
Ok, that’s it for me. Time to catch a few winks.
Linkd, not funny.
I was recruited for imagery analysis (i.e. spy satellites).
What separates a Korean living and working in America who slams American culture and everything else American from…..Gbevers, a white so-called American who has been living and working in Korea for DECADES who slams Korean culture and everything else Korean? Both the hypothetical Korean (who, we are assuming is not a US citizen because otherwise he would then be American) and Gbevers would both have resided in their new countries for decades but both cling to the country of their origin like crazy and both slam their new home country while clinging with nationalistic fervor to their original country with an enthusiasm that makes no sense (considering they refuse to live in the country they so proclaim to love).
#120,
Begging your pardon – I was referring to a general tone (one of many) that his comments contain. Not your comments, but WJK’s – I should have been more explicit in my comment.
Ah, okay got it.
Not only CIA, but the Army too. It’s a veritable love fest out there if you are a US citizen and can speak any one of a number of foreign languages, Korean obviously being one of them.
@JK in 125
Gbevers’s country of origin is Japan??
cmm, no gbevers is originally from America of unknown heritage. But he’s been living in Korea for the last several decades. Yet he criticizes and generalizes in a very negative way anyone and anything Korean, as if to get some potshots at the people for some, as of yet, unknown insult…or THOUGHT he received from some Koreans a long time ago. I’ve seen him online since 1999, and some things never change. Anything that Koreans are understandably sensitive about, he will go the opposite way just to p*ss Korean people off (whether he believes it or not), be it the Comfort Women issue (he will argue that they were mostly willing prostitutes who knew what they were getting into), Dokdo (obviously Gerry’s on Japan’s side on this one), Japanese colonization of Korea (Gbevers will argue it was good for Korea and that Koreans shouldn’t complain about it because otherwise they’re liars), and Koreans’ role in WWII (Bevers will argue that Korea fought with Japan and the rest of the Axis Powers against the US).
So see if you get this: We have a guy living in Korea for DECADES…yet he chooses to insult the Korean people as a whole repeatedly and on any issue he can find. Then he doesn’t have his teaching contract renewed (and he wonders why), and he blames Koreans for this rather than his own stupidity.
He knows Koreans are sensitive about the Japanese colonization, so he will, without fail, support the right-wing Japanese side in that the colonization wasn’t THAT bad. If some Koreans like his mother-in-law say the colonization wasn’t that bad, he will use this as evidence that his point was right, but if many more Koreans say it sucked under the Japanese, he will call them liars and idiots.
I don’t say Gerry is a complete Japanophile in the same way as Matt, but he does support Japan in almost every way, even whitewashing its wartime history because he knows this will p*ss off Koreans so badly.
I used the analogy of Gerry and the hypothetical Korean living for decades in the US but always complaining about Americans in a bad and wrong way to show that both suck. I hate it when Koreans in the US do this, and I also hate it when Americans who refuse to live for DECADES in America but choose to live in Korea are so bragging about the way things in the US are superior but who make constant negative generalizations about the Korean people as a whole. Gbevers won’t hesitate to also make negative generalizations about Korean-Americans and other kyopos who happen to be citizens of other countries.
But the pain from his past will persist (whatever the cause) no matter how much Gerry strikes back at the Korean population in general. And he doesn’t realize he’s hurt no one but himself. If it’s not a job he’s sacrificed to his axe he has to grind with the Korean people it’s his lack of friends.
And the saddest thing…he won’t (or can’t) go back to America. Korea is his home.
Korea is Gerry’s home…forever.
just shut up, jk.
bevers is smarter than you.
and a nicer dude
You shut up, wjk. Still bitter than ole Shrub lost and that America and the world celebrated? awww….
I knew he was American, but by the way you wrote about him in your original post:
“Both the hypothetical Korean (who, we are assuming is not a US citizen because otherwise he would then be American) and Gbevers would both have resided in their new countries for decades but both cling to the country of their origin like crazy and both slam their new home country while clinging with nationalistic fervor to their original country with an enthusiasm that makes no sense” emphasis mine
and the way he loves him his Japanese…
well, I was trying to make a funny.
Gotcha, cmm.
@116
I’ll give you a C for that effort, at best. Not very compelling or completely relevant stuff and I think I spied a strawman in there too.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Do you know what a strawman is?
# 94,
NK, I take offense to you questioning the loyalty of West Coast gyopos vs. East Coast gyopos. WE are not the ones importing soju from the DPRK to the states, filling Kim Jong Il’s coffers so he can continue to acquire more cognac and Joy Brigades.
http://www.dprkstudies.org/2007/05/06/north-korean-pyongyang-soju-to-be-sold-in-america/
Look one quarter the way down this blog post and read:
http://offthebroiler.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/nj-dining-keumsan-samgyetang/#more-1945
Imported by
Korea Pyongyang Trading USA, Inc.
530 Church Street
Ridgefield, NJ 07657
공산주의자 traitors! All of you!..
Colontos,
Has anyone ever seen Robert and “wjk” together at the same time?
Hmmmmmm. Better save that one for the next Open Thread!
Cheers,
DLB
So anyway…it’s Friday and I feel like poking a stick at the ole hornet’s nest again…
I thought about this matter somewhat..this topic of potential traitors. I’ve concluded that there aren’t enough gyopos in positions of sufficiently high rank within the government, intelligence services, or defense industry to make significant traitors. There are, however, plenty of white guys in such positions.
The likelihood of some extremely damaging treason committed by a high-ranking white man in a position of power and policy-making is far greater than your average gyopo whose parents owned a dry-cleaning business.
As a new “Cold War” heats up between the US and China in the coming years, expect to see a pattern which will involve a Western white man in some position of power in government or industry, with all manner of access to top secret, sensitive information engaged in some highly questionable relationship with a Chinese agent. In all cases, that Chinese agent will turn out to be a Chinese woman with hidden ties to the PRC military or government (Rupert Murdoch, anyone)?
Yes…that’s right, folks. The biggest potential traitors are high ranking white men with a bad case of yellow fever.
Minor correction:
“…turn out to be a plain, middle-aged Chinese woman…”
Hey, Rupert Murdoch’s wife isn’t bad looking for an Asian lady in her early 40′s.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/nm_murdoch_wife_070718_mn.jpg
# 139,
Two FBI agents must have and a terribly bad case of yellow fever if they sang like canaries to Katrina Leung:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2939031.stm
My goodness… is it that hard to get laid in the Bureau?
Sad to say, NK is correct.
If I were a counter-intel type faced with a major security breach involving a foreign government, my first suspects would be the ethnics and the white guys with ethnic wives or girlfriends.
If you’re right, you catch the Richard Kims and the Jonathan Pollards. If you screw up, you get the Wen Ho Lees.
DLB
what are we celebrating, JK? 11% sales tax?
Forcing OB-gynes to provide abortion services or get discriminated against?
Forcing school children to learn about condoms?
Bailing out Chrysler and GM?
A phone call from the President of the USA, effectively deciding the resignation of a private auto company? What’s next, he’s going to call Citibank’s CEO, and he resigns? Wow, executive branch of political office deciding who is CEO or not? Is this America or People’s Republic of China, or South Korea during military rule?
Are the Europeans celebrating the crash of Iceland, Bulgaria, etc?
there’s a dozen Wen Ho Lees to every Robert Kim. Speaking of which, Koreans should be more like the Japanese in using English versions of their names. We naturally don’t have middle names. It’s the whole first name, if the name is Soochul Kim, for example.
Instead, we follow the stupid Chinese lead, and suffice with white/black people calling us Soo.
Japanese people obey traffic signals, respect ‘standing in line’, clean up after themselves, keep a reasonably clean public toilet, etc.
Speaking of which, in US history, there has been a big problem with Japanese American ‘traitors’ during World War II, Chinese American ‘traitors’ during the present times,
but, I am really straining at the byungi to think of any material Korean American ‘traitors’.
Good job, babo Mr. “Huh?”
did Robert Kim do anything parallel to what Hassan Abujihaad did?
Flat out, hell no.
Mr. Huh?
Babo gyopo.
Huer isn’t gyopo. He’s just american.
Well, I believe he was born in Korea to biological Korean parents…
Doesn’t the person have to identify at least partly as a Korean through influence from the country itself in order to qualify as 교포? You can call him Korean-American, but not 교포, ’cause as far as I know they are not the same thing. He’s more like 한국계 미국인.
Which I’m thinking is maybe something Huer is getting mixed up ’cause alot of the people going crazy over the Korean team in WBC were 교포 and not just Korean-American.
Is he surprised that a 교포 would cheer so boisterously for the Korean team?
“I was recruited for imagery analysis (i.e. spy satellites).”
The CIA don’t know what a satellite looks like?
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