Open Thread #82

by Robert Koehler on January 10, 2009

Something on your mind?

{ 54 comments… read them below or add one }

1 CactusMcHarris January 10, 2009 at 10:42 am

I would like to see pictures of musical boxes with Spam in them.

2 CactusMcHarris January 10, 2009 at 11:07 am

One more request – do they play ‘Arirang’ on demand?

3 hardyandtiny January 10, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Baltimore, Carolina, New York, Pittsburgh

4 CactusMcHarris January 10, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Not one of the KJI infomercials mentioned his preoccupation with Elvis….

http://www.holytaco.com/2008/10/28/what-celebrities-are-wearing-this-halloween/

5 bumfromkorea January 10, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Resolved: The United States ought to submit to the jurisdiction of an international court designed to prosecute crimes against humanity.

I’m just curious… how would the people here argue for/against this statement? This is the topic for the debate kids I coach, and I heard a lot of different arguments for/against it.

6 shakuhachi January 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm

bumfromkorea, that is the same thing as saying “let’s put President Bush and VP Cheney on trial”. Something I support but I do not really see happening.

As for support or not well… that depends. It could get very political. Look at the travesty of the Milosevic trial, the incompetence and the constant changes in trial rules that literally screamed “railroad”. If the international court is anything like that, then the answer is no. If, on the other hand, the court is one based on the rule of law, with transparent and fair rules, then why not?

7 Linkd January 10, 2009 at 2:54 pm

I think most countries realize that the US is in sort of a unique position as the main guarantor of a peaceful planet earth, or ‘the World’s Policeman’. And I believe most countries’ governments and practical people will put up with the US not signing on the Court, so long as the US seems to run a basically fair and transparent justice system for itself (I’m mainly thinking that the US refuses to join because it doesn’t want its soldiers prosecuted in foreign courts).

If a few key countries (say, Iran, Venezuela, Russia) got it into their heads to push politically-motivated prosecutions of soldiers (and especially if they resulted in convictions), then the US military would face problems that would result in it being harder to deploy. Most of the UN realizes this, and so won’t push too hard. But it sure helps if the US is doing a good job of keeping its military in line, and it REALLY helps if the US resorts to arms only under the auspices of the UN, NATO or some well-respected alliance.

Even despite all that has gone on during the Bush years, most of the world wants a US military that is able to deploy, so long as we can have reasonable trust that it will be handled well.

Now, bum: How’d the exams go?

8 kwandongbrian January 10, 2009 at 6:09 pm

I received a comment on a post at my blog from a Miz Jeong, an International Relations Officer for Gangwon Province. She wants foreigner input for English slogans for Gangwon Province.

Unfortunately, I was at camp and didn’t check my email and comments as often as I normally do and her deadline is tomorrow. If anyone can help, please leave comments here, at my blog (gangwon.blogspot.com) or email her – her address is at the bottom of this post. Below is her message:
_____________________
I’m International Relations Officer at Gangwon Provincial Office and was asked to get inputs from foreigners living in Gangwon on the English slogan candidates the office came up with. I will really appreciate if you could help.

These are the candidates:

1. Green Future Gangwon
2. Gangwon UP! (yes, both capitalized)
3. Green up Gangwon (this time just small u)
4. O2 Gangwon

You can probably tell what Gangwon wants its slogan to express: it wants a slogan that reflects Korea’s “Low Carbon,Green Growth” initiative and enhances Gangwon’s brand-image as the greenest province (fyi, it has the most natural resources in Korea and is well known for its beautiful mountains, sceneries, winter sport resorts and green tourism).

A slogan needs to deliver Gangwon as a green province since Gangwon is heavily investing
in new and renewable energy such as wind power, etc. It already has the nation’s biggest wind power plant in Dae-gual-lyung (대관령), which produces and supplies a considerate amount of electricity throughout Korea.

You can help me by doing the following:

1. Let me know what you think of the candidates, and when you do this, please, don’t be polite.
The whole point of this is that Gangwon needs honest feedback.
(you can even suggest one if you would like to)

2. Please provide me with info of:
a. name
b. where you work
c. position

Please note that I need such info in order to add credibility to the opinions I will submit to Gangwon Provincial Office. In other words, I need proofs showing that I did not make them up.

3. If it’s not too much to ask, can you please ask your friends to do the same?
The more inputs I can get, the better it is for Gangwon.

Phew, I don’t think I ever wrote an email this long. Again, I really appreciate your help and
I will be collecting inputs/suggestions until this coming Sunday.

Thanks a bunch!

Sinae Jeong
___________________________

I am never sure about privacy issues, especially for government officials. It is a gmail account and she did ask for input, so you have two choices; leave comments here or email her at: drcine (at) gmail (dot) com I guess you could put “gangwon slogans” in the subject line. I will check here Sunday night and forward comments.

9 gbevers January 10, 2009 at 6:36 pm

The following is a link to my attempt to sing my Korean version of the song “Is this the way to Amarillo?”

After you click on the link, it may take from fifty seconds to a minute for the song to load. Enjoy.

“Is this the way to Amarillo?” Korean Version

10 gbevers January 10, 2009 at 7:31 pm

Hey Brian (#8)

Sorry, but none of those choices are good.

Here are a couple of suggestions:

1) Gangwon: Green & Growing Greener

2) Gangwon: Green Without Envy.

11 whitey January 10, 2009 at 9:39 pm

As for the Gangwon slogans, I agree with the previous poster: unfortunately, none of them are good.

Why don’t they just make a slogan in Korean? Really. I’m tired of my language being misused and abused.

“Gangwon is Green” — there, that one is gratis. I know they won’t like it, however: it’s too simple, contains no buzzwords, and makes sense.

Why so cranky?, one might rightfully ask. Perhaps because on Friday at work I slogged my way through a proofreading assignment: a 10-page piece, written in Korean and translated into English, on the same, already-tired, “Low Carbon, Green Growth” theme, that tries, awkwardly, to tie human resources development and green growth. It’s full of jargon (“paradigm,” “core competencies,” etc.) and contains not one original thought. I could only get through half of it, and have the rest to “look forward to” on Monday.

12 SeoulFinn January 10, 2009 at 11:47 pm

I must say that I kinda like “Gangwon: Green & Growing Greener”.

If they are set for this green theme, how about “Green, Greener, Gangwon” or “Green, Greener, Greenest (strike that over) Gangwon”?

13 JW January 10, 2009 at 11:50 pm

As 2009 begins, emerging-market countries sporting the best earnings growth compared with current price are India, China and Korea, or the ICK countries.

India trades at 10 times earnings that are expected to increase 12%, said Alec Young, international equity strategist at Standard & Poor’s Equity Research. China is at 10 times earnings that should rise 7.8%, and South Korea is at 10 times earnings estimated to expand 10.3%. By comparison, earnings for the overall emerging-market index are expected to slip about 0.2% in 2009.

GMO’s emerging-market fund holds Korea as its largest position because the Boston investment-management firm thinks valuation is attractive and prospects decent.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123067704715943831.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Got my money on these ICKy countries. Here’s hoping for a prosperous 2009!

14 SeoulFinn January 10, 2009 at 11:50 pm

Oh, Finland is now officially the 51st state of USA? No one sent me a memo about this! :-P (Wrong flag.)

15 seouldout January 11, 2009 at 5:17 am

Gangwon – Gang Green.

16 Acropolis7 January 11, 2009 at 6:09 am

Although the event happened more than a few years ago, I was wondering if anyone has any info on the concert that Baby V.O.X. performed in Pyongyang available on youtube. Specifically if there are any interviews that the girls gave concerning the event. Also Shinhwa for the matter.

17 kpmsprtd January 11, 2009 at 6:40 am

Kangwon: Green Eggs and Spam

18 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 January 11, 2009 at 6:53 am

Acropolis7, I suspect even though the audience acted as if they were watching something ridiculous,

1/ the guys were having boners.
2/ the women were getting warm down there, too.

I recall, the folk here were calling the male Koreans faggots.

It’s interesting how you advocate gay rights, and deem it okay to call Korean male singers fags. Michael Jackson is a fag. Not Shinhwa or Super Junior, in my opinion.

I hate fags. Mostly because they covertly fuck women, too. There is no consistency.

And the Norks were going back home and downloading it on their ipods, bought despite trade embargoes from Chinese illegal share sites.

I’d like to put all liberals in a bag and burn the bag.

19 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 January 11, 2009 at 7:02 am

nork woman, getting warm for king kim, price kim vs shinhwa.

more piglets?

20 baduk January 11, 2009 at 8:32 am

Green Gang Won!

Just like “I warn you about WonJu”.

21 Seth Gecko January 11, 2009 at 9:20 am

First of all, any newcomer will pronounce “Gangwon” as “Gayng-one”. Besides that, here are mine:

“Green” means “Go, Gangwan!”
Dynamic Green Gangwon
Sparkling Green Gangwon
Gangwon: Hub of Green
Ho-ho-ho, Green Gangwon!

22 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) January 11, 2009 at 9:22 am

My problem with “Gangwon” + “Green” is that the word Gangwon is pronounced by most North American English speakers as “gang” as in street gang. Add green to gang and you get gangrene, the necrotic rot of dead body tissues. For North American English speakers at least, I think there is a high snicker factor from “Gangwon” + “Green”.

That said, I like “Green Without Envy”.

23 Seth Gecko January 11, 2009 at 9:22 am

First of all, any newcomer will pronounce “Gangwon” as “Gayng-one”. Anyway, here are mine:

“Green” means “Go, Gangwon!”
Dynamic Green Gangwon
Sparkling Green Gangwon
Gangwon: Hub of Green
Ho-ho-ho, Green Gangwon!

24 Sonagi January 11, 2009 at 10:09 am

Add green to gang and you get gangrene

I think that was the intention behind Seouldout’s suggestion.

25 Ladron January 11, 2009 at 10:37 am

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26 CactusMcHarris January 11, 2009 at 11:03 am

Gang Green Gangwon is my humble suggestion – hope it doesn’t rot on the shelf.

27 nospam January 11, 2009 at 11:14 am

Anyone know any details about the soldier killed by a Seoul city bus near Yongsan Station?

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=59922

28 Granfalloon January 11, 2009 at 12:11 pm

Well, Seth Gecko took all the obvious ones (except for “Greenapolis.” And “Green Love.” C’mon Seth!). I’m tempted to write:
“All your green are belong to us.”
So I did.

Seriously, though, I like to kick it old school, and I like the alliteration and rhythm of
“Viridis veritas.”
But the “v” phoneme is difficult for a lot of Koreans, so it’s perhaps not a good choice. How about
“Green future: Gangwon.”

29 R. Elgin January 11, 2009 at 12:36 pm

Always Green — Gangwon

I liked the Latin one too: “True Green” but then that is not English (hehehe) —
but the real problem is the mascot. Should it be a big, jumping pine-tree with a face or something more serious?

30 Jewook January 11, 2009 at 12:56 pm

How about “Evergreen Gangwon” Though maybe my input doesn’t matter since I’m Korean.

This reminds me of the time someone asked me to think of a name for a Jazz bar he was opening. I was the only person he knew who was any good at English but I was probably not the best choice. I thought maybe something very familiar like “Blue Note” might be good. I also suggested “New Orleans” “Chicago” “Chicago Blues” and “Blue Chicago” (Chicago being my psychological hometown :) ) He ended up ignoring my suggestions and went by his own prerogative. I wonder, where my suggestions that bad?

31 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) January 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Evergreen Gangwon has the benefit of being true: Isn’t Gangwon forested with pine trees?

32 gbevers January 11, 2009 at 1:09 pm

Brendon (#31),

Yes, Gangwon have pines, as well as other trees, but I got the impression from Brian’s post that Gangwon was trying to motivate Gangwonians to make their province even greener. I am not exactly sure who the target audience is.

Jewook (#30),

What did your friend eventually name his club? I like the name, “True Blues.”

33 Wedge January 11, 2009 at 1:21 pm

Gangwon: So green, you’ll puke
Gangwon: Jumping on the green bandwagon like nobody’s business
Gangwon: Green until the next global fad comes along
Gangwon: Greener than those wankers in Gyeonggi

34 McGenghis January 11, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Yeah, we got lots of pines out in Gangwon, but that didn’t stop my little university from dropping 30,000 dollars a tree to decorate the campus. We must have about 50.

Kwandongbrian: I’d say your first choice was the best, but I feel as enthusiastic about that as when I do when have to choose a Korean beer.

Gangwon: O-jing-awesome.

35 hardyandtiny January 11, 2009 at 2:36 pm

great site for daily arch feeds.
http://www.archdaily.com

36 Seth Gecko January 11, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Gangwon Green.

“Gangwon Green is PEOPLE! It’s PEOPLE!”

(For the Charlton Heston fans)

37 Jewook January 11, 2009 at 3:52 pm

#31 Brendon

I get your point. But I was thinking in terms of evergreen to mean “forever green.” Just a thought.

#32 gbevers

Actually that was ten years ago so I don’t recall, I just remember that he named it something dumb and very konglishy.

“True Blues” sounds nice.

38 dokdoforever January 11, 2009 at 4:56 pm

My Kangwon submissions:

Kangwon – it just doesn’t get any greener
Got Green? – Kangwon
Kangwon – The Amazon of Korea
Kangwon – A whole new shade of Green

39 dokdoforever January 11, 2009 at 5:11 pm

or maybe “Kangwon, the Amazon of Asia” sounds better

and
“The Green, Green, Green Grass of Kangwon”

“Kangwon – The Green Pride of Korea”

40 frogmouth January 11, 2009 at 5:15 pm

I’m not too crazy about the government’s suggestions either.

How about?

Gangwon “Wonderfully Green”

Gangwon “Naturally Green”

Gangwon “Korea’s Emerald Province”

Gangwon Province “Never Been Greener!”

Gangwon Province “Naturally Getting Greener”

41 Iceberg January 11, 2009 at 5:40 pm

It IS easy being green.

42 dokdoforever January 11, 2009 at 7:44 pm

I’m hoping that different Gu’s of Seoul will also get into the act with various slogans to attract publicity. There’s one place I really hope will start a PR campaign – Nowon-Gu, Seoul. They could start the “Nowon Cares” campaign, or make T-shirts with “Nowon Loves You,” or “Nowon’s Your Friend.”

43 Jewook January 11, 2009 at 8:24 pm

#31 Brandon

Seems I didn’t get your point. On #37 I thought you were being negative on my idea. Damn it, it seems my English is always a few percent deficient. Twenty years here has its toll.

44 Jewook January 11, 2009 at 8:25 pm

And I misspelled you’re name too.

45 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) January 11, 2009 at 8:34 pm

Seems I didn’t get your point. On #37 I thought you were being negative on my idea. Damn it, it seems my English is always a few percent deficient. Twenty years here has its toll.

Plus you misspelled “you’re” too. But who’s counting?

Nope, I wasn’t being negative on your idea. I thought you had something relatively sophisticated, actually — a double entendre. Evergreen means “forever green” while at the same time it stands for the pine trees which dot the hills and mountains of Kangwon-do. That would be a good tagline.

Of course, this is the reason why Korean government officials would never go for it. Meaningless, Konglishy nonsense is irresistible to them.

I think we’ll get “We are Gangwonians” or something like that.

46 kwandongbrian January 11, 2009 at 9:29 pm

Thanks, I guess.

I share your pessimism about the value of the input. Personally, I liked the ‘evergreen’ suggestions and loved the “it’s made from people!” response.

I have family in the Korean Coast Guard so I am asked to give opinions on their slogans and such – at one time, they were trying to compare themselves to volunteer firefighters and asked me to look for motivational quotes. It makes a little sense; both groups have the admirable goal of helping people in distress. On the other hand, the Coast Guard here is full of conscripts, so motivation-wise, they are as far apart as possible.

Words are easier than actions. I, too, would prefer to see more action. A few more garbage cans at scenic sites would be simple start.

Thanks for the serious (and semi-serious) responses and for the funny ones (the rest of you can thank me for providing this week’s discussion topic).

47 Hwarang January 11, 2009 at 10:51 pm

The Washington Post just published an article about a large Korean crime ring that got busted in Annandale.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/10/AR2009011001848.html?hpid=topnews

48 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 January 12, 2009 at 3:58 am

let’s hear some defending comments from our favorite D.C. liberal gyopo,

‘JK’.

This is the 2nd Cho of D.C., who should have stayed low, low, low.

I think JK advocated D.C. as an Arcadia for Koreans.

Discuss, discuss.

49 dogbertt January 12, 2009 at 5:51 am

I’d rather hear what you and “baduk” have to say.

50 rowan January 12, 2009 at 6:20 am

gotta love this type of free publicity.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/01/123_37648.html

they only stopped short of including a link.

51 hardyandtiny January 13, 2009 at 9:20 am

Why do they think they need a slogan? Are they trying to attract people?

52 gbevers January 14, 2009 at 1:00 pm

The Chosun Ilbo has an article entitled, “The 10 Most Hated English Phrases.”

The article prompted me to think of a ten most hated Konglish expression list. I am still working on the list, but number one is definitely “Shut the mouth!”

On Monday, I was returning from school and had just gotten off the school bus when three Korean elementary school kids saw me and started saying “hello.” I always like to encourage such kids, so I returned the greeting, but then one of them said to me, “Shut the mouth!”

For a moment, I thought about correcting his English, but then I decided just to bury him under a tree and be done with it.

Just kidding. Actually, I just ignored him and kept walking. Anyway, I hate that “Shut the mouth” phrase. I much prefer it when they say, “Puck you.”

53 gbevers January 14, 2009 at 10:56 pm

Life’s Choices

Do you sometimes fake orgasm?
Do you sometimes use sarcasm?
Do you sometimes come home late
And deny it was a date?

Do you sometimes look at him
And wish he were more like them?
Do you sometimes go to bed
And imagine he were dead?

If you do, then let him know
That it’s time for you to go.
Yes, he will most likely cry,
And ask you to tell him why.

Say you’re bored and want to live
While you’ve still got love to give
Life’s too short to live a lie,
And forever hurt inside.

Years later you’re still alone.
He found love and has a home.
Now you’re sitting wonder’n why
You ever left him for that guy.

It’s funny how life repays
Those who decide not to stay.
You may only get one chance
In this world to find romance.

By Gerry Bevers

54 Mizar5 January 14, 2009 at 11:09 pm

And he didn’t use the word “shit” once.

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