Melee ensues as FTA advances [JoongAng Ilbo]
Assembly in FTA Conflict [Korea Times]
Redecorating:
Bring out the hose!
Been a while since I’ve seen lawmakers lock people out to floor legislation rather than stop it.
by Robert Koehler on December 19, 2008
Melee ensues as FTA advances [JoongAng Ilbo]
Assembly in FTA Conflict [Korea Times]
Redecorating:
Bring out the hose!
Been a while since I’ve seen lawmakers lock people out to floor legislation rather than stop it.
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Nothing comes close! The Japanese Imperial Flag is the greatest flag design ever conceived.
삐걱삐걱 돌아가는 세상!
Holy cow! My respect for the average Korean politico has actually fallen even more! Well it just goes to show you, never say never.
From the Korea Times article,
Here is some KBS NEWS VIDEO to go with those pictures.
A quote for the history books:
An absolute disgrace. I cannot express the contempt I have for the Korean political machine. Parties are irrelevant here: all sides have done it. It is ingrained in the political culture. And voters are complicit because they keep voting these jokes in election after election.
I would love to buy a clown suit and hang around in front of the National Assembly building, to show everyone what I think these jokers are. However, I feel the political message would be lost on most – western clowns not really carrying the same message here.
Korea is developed in so many ways, but in politics, where is the maturity? It seems like elementary school, where if you feel you are losing the game, you overturn the board (or at least, I did). There is no respect here for due process, rules, systems, etc. It’s just thuggery. At least this time we didn’t see the telephone being used as a kind of mdoern-day ball and chain…
Say what you will about western politics, but I don’t think of the last time I say the parliament of, say, Australia, scuffling en masse to prevent/push thru the passage of a law.
I’m not Korean, but I’m not against Koreans here. I live here because I love the place and (most of) its people. I would love to call out to the disaffected, the apathetic youth to rise up and vote these people out of politics forever.
I’d also like to see Korean shareholders take a bigger and more active role in overseeing jaebeol and choosing who gets to run them (criminal CEOs out on their arses), but that’s another story.
As a proud American citizen, i’m glad to see that SOMEbody continues to make our fiasco-of-a-Congress look good in comparison…
(note that the very instigator/leader of this particular disgrace-to-the-concept-of-democracy is non other than Rep. Park Jin, frquently and correctly praised as one of Korea’s *best* politicians… known to be smart, conservative, modern-minded and western-oriented… just shows how deep the rot is. “Voting the bastards out” cannot be the solution — there’s nobody “better” to replace them. The whole system must be overhauled from within, when the pols of all parties are made to admit trhat this is a disservice to both the nation and to themselves.)
Well, in fairness to the Korean National Assembly, they didn’t pass a US$700 billion slush fund.
Again, to be fair, Park was simply trying to prevent what he knew would happen — the opposition physically blocking a vote the GNP had the votes to pass.
#6,
Definitely.
#9,
To be fair? Physically blocking any vote is undemocratic.
Park didn’t physically block the vote. He physically blocked the people who would physically block the vote. It’s like breaking the filibuster, only more fun to watch.
Hamel
Elementary School? You are giving our politicians too much credit. Nursery school would be more precise.
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It is quite clear to see where this is headed. But it is far too cold out for mass protests surely? The GNP are not very astute politicians, the bill has to pass, but not today. Let the UDP show themselves as immature fools when they violently block the vote on Thursday, then on Friday sneak in early and have the guards escort the previous offenders away from the building. By making the first move they have entrenched this idea of LeeMyungBak and his autocracy (via the votes of the free people)
That quote used above is priceless the will of the people in a democracy is measured by the vote, therefore until the people get a vote again in 4 years 2MB and the GNP are the will of the people. Soloution more frequent elections, there seems to be one every year, so why not have a three year term and two possible terms per pres.
Alternatively they could have a code of conduct for which you could lose your seat and possibly be fined for. Included in the code would be things such as drink driving, assualt, public disturbance. The only problem would be getting an independent body to oversee this so it is not abused.
Opposition party lawmakers were not allowed to attend the meeting because two days ago, Chairman Park exercised his right that empowers him to bar members who attempt to destabilize the meeting.
“Unprecedented violence made it difficult for our committee members to discuss the details of the motion, so as chairman I had to make a quick decision,” Park was quoted as saying.
Looks like they already did, funny that this didn’t get much media attention, or did it. How many times can I be wrong in the same day?
i don’t know marm… that’s a tough decision. i mean, i don’t want to reward scoundrels, but if they didn’t and imagine Citibank collapsed…
It’s like scoundrels have the entire nation of America hostage and asked for a $700 billion ransom money. And Bush paid the ransom… It’s hard for me to say he made the incorrect the decision.
Someone sure is putting on a show for the cameras. How many of them do you figure are nothing more than chaebol lap dogs?
Looks like they already did, funny that this didn’t get much media attention, or did it. How many times can I be wrong in the same day?
again, again, and again.
why do you guys like conservatism in Korea?
when you oppose conservatism in America like it is the plague?
Lee Myungbak is Korea’s George W. Bush.
if the world does not make any sense to you, look to wjk, the standard of consistency.
Another mistranslation of a New York Times article.
뉴욕타임스 ‘똥개(?)같은 한국 민주주의’
Here is the translation of the above Korean headline:
Here is the New York Times article in question and the relevent quote from the article:
“South Korean Lawmakers Clash Over Fate of Trade Deal With U.S.”
Here is how Jo Gap-je, the former representative of “Monthy Chosun” translated the sentence on his Web page, which is what the above Korean article is referring to:
Does “mongrel-dog-like, destructive” really reflect the meaning of “feisty”? Why not use “적극적인” or “성마른”?
And why does the Korean article change Jo’s 잡종강아지 to 똥개? The Korean article seems to trying to stir up Korean anger against the New York Times article, and by extention, the United States.
By the way, I hate those stupid question marks that Korean journalists like to use when they want to make their silly insinuations.
Right now this is right at the top of Yahoo international news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_skorea_us_free_trade
Re Robert’s #9: point taken.
gbevers, the Koreans know more about how things work here than the New York Times does. I believe it’s called a “Freudian slip”.
Freedom of the right to express your heart!,
and discharge fire extinguishers!
kudos to the korean lawmakers who are confident in their juvenile delinquency. at least you know their true colors and the level of politics.
And fire safety equipment test day at parliament went off without a hitch…
that one guy with the fire safety sledge hammer was awesome. Truly awesome.
It’s too bad they don’t have a slide from the second floor like some nursery schools do.
#9 Robert says: “Well, in fairness to the Korean National Assembly, they didn’t pass a US$700 billion slush fund.”
LoL. Silly. How do you even compare the two?
And there was much rejoicing… among the drycleaners of Youido.
These guys are taking the baton from Taiwan for least well-behaved legislature. Hwaiting!
Funny comments and great videos. Korean politicians behave like demented kindergarten kids. Korean politicians are amazingly retarded.
The only positive thing you can say about Korean political types is that they’re hilarious to watch. I’ve lived in Korea for quite a while now, so nothing really suprises me anymore.
I’m I the only one who sees such stupidity as this
and wish that Korea would invite Japan back?
I personally found it amusing. Why do so many of you want or expect the same thing over and over in places you visit? I’m glad these chaps know how to have fun
#29,
Probably yes on that one.
What kinds of people become politicians in Korea?
I am not sure, but I have a strong feeling that they are not Korea’s best and brightest. They may be experts at networking, but I get the impression they are not really deep thinkers. In Korea, the phrase, “It’s not what you know; it’s who you know,” seems to ring especially true.
In Korea, padded resumes, questionable college degrees, and name-dropping galore seem to be the keys to political success. For example, I used to know a guy whose dream was to become a national assemblyman. When I met him, he was running a small “ungbyeong hakwon,” which was a school that taught public speaking to children. He was a nice enough guy, but almost everything he did was geared toward networking, including, I think, being friends with me. It was a time in Korea when having a foreign friend carried some weight, at least, in his mind.
The man used to invite me out just to go around and introduce me to all of his friends and acquaintances. The introductions were often embarrassing because he almost always padded my resume. I think he was only a high school graduate, but he somehow got into a night-school master’s program that seemed to take only a few months to complete. He never explained to me exactly how that worked.
We drifted apart after cell phones became popular in Korea because everytime he would invite me out, he spent almost all of our time together on his stupid cell phone taking calls and making calls. I think he was trying to show me how important he was, even though he had still had not been elected to any office. However, the last I heard he was finally elected as a city councilman for a fairly large city near Seoul. I wish him luck.
I guess average people can make a difference in politics, but it seems that Korea’s politicians are too absorbed in networking and infighting to really care about the people.
Gerry #32,
Maybe you’ve been overseas too long – the U.S. and Canada have plenty of people like that, and, oddly enough, many of them are just as you describe, except they’re not at all Asian.
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