Yonhap reports that Japanese netizens have launched a cyber-assault on VANK — as of Monday evening, the VANK homepage was inaccessible from overseas.
What a pity.
According to VANK, Korean netizens started the fight by crashing a Japanese site after Japanese figure skater Asada Mao beat Korean figure skater Kim Yun-a in the Grand Prix final in Goyang, Korea on Saturday.
Bad move.
Irate Japanese netizens labeled VANK as the culprit behind the attack and launched a mass “terror” (Yonhap’s word, not mine) attack on them. Japan’s largest right-wing site “2ch” is apparently spreading word on how to crash the VANK site.
Yonhap — for the benefit of Korean netizens, no doubt — was kind enough to include links to the 2ch posts in question:
http://jfk.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1229266966
http://jfk.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1229264877
This forced VANK to shut down overseas access to their site to stop the attack.
Park Ki-tae, the head of VANK and not to be confused with Kim Ki-tae, who was a hell of a hitter for Ssangbangwool, said the bigger problem was that Japanese netizens were making Vank, which has campaigned to correct issues like the East Sea, Dokdo and Korean history, look like it had a role in the attack on the Japanese site. If they do this, he said, it could give the international community the mistaken impression that VANK, which has worked to set the records straight about Korea and promote the national image, is some sort of “terrorist group,” and all the group’s efforts till now would be for naught.
Some might argue that VANK’s own modus operandi doesn’t help, either.
Park said the Japanese netizens want to force VANK into a difficult spot in order to terminate its activities.
VANK currently has about 7,000 foreign members, and gets about 200 new foreign members a month.
Park said if the Japanese netizens continue their attack on VANK, VANK’s 11 foreign-language websites would become useless, and he asked for a solution at the government level.
Marmot’s Note: What I want to know is which Japanese site got attacked, and who on the Korean end organized it.
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Jackass! :-*
VANK and 2channel — this should be entertaining. Can’t wait until DCinside and friends jump in.
vankers.
Just to give you an idea on who’s battling who. 2ch is far far far worse than VANK.
VANK is nothing more than a group of Korean nationalists who promote Dokdo and the East sea against Japan’s Takeshima and Sea of Japan. VANKers are persistent and annoying but overall easily ignored. I’m not claiming that Japanese claims are correct. I’m just summing up VANK.
2ch on the other hand is the most vile, racist, filthy and despicable site in the world. To say that its Korea section is the Japanese equivalent of stormfront is not saying enough. It’s far worse. Whereas VANK is not openly or for the most part racist and only deals with territorial disputes, 2ch deals entirely with racist issues. Things like “all Koreans are rapists and criminals”, “foreigners commit all crimes in Japan” or “Nanking never happened and Japan was helping Asia”. It’s also the breeding grounds of the lowest dregs of Japanese society. Kiddie pornography, rape videos and gore videos are posted regularly. Suicides and murders are announced hours before they are committed (in real life). And it’s where droves of +30 unemployed Japanese men angry at society post away. Not to mention the countless number of Japanese anime nerds who spend their entire lives on that site because they have neither job, girlfriend or social life. The people VANKers are dealing with are not ordinary people. They are scumbags with a lot of anger and hate inside them.
As stupid as VANK is, I’m going to side with them. This is a battle of annoying nationalism vs ultra nationalism, racism, anger, hatred, unemployed, useless anime nerds and retards. VANK did nothing to provoke 2ch. 2ch should have crashed the site of those who were truly responsible. And it’s not like 2ch was attacked either.
@4
The Aristocrats!
Wikipedia’s description of 2channel
When all the Koreans around me were talking smack about how Kim Yun-a was going to be champion blah blah blah, I figured what was going to happen was Asada winning instead and the Korean netizens were going to go insane. Nice to see my instincts proven correct.
However, I do think 2ch is directing their anger at the wrong target.
The Asada Mao and Kim Yunah rivalry has been going on for a while. Every time Kim wins a competition, the 2ch forums have accused the Koreans of manipulating results by bribing the judges. Without fail, that accusation comes up every time (along with the World Cup 2002 thing, the 2ch users are still sore about that). The anti Korean (and anti-Zainichi) 2ch forums are routinely translated into Korean, and posted in Korean blogs. And some of the writings. And I’ve no doubt, the Japanese are doing the same thing with Naver posts (not sure about this).
I think this is better and more entertaining than an actual war.
Japan has this undying belief that they are somehow superior to Koreans(and all other asians). They believe that since they colonized Korea in 1910(with a little help from western weaponry) that the Children of the Emperor are somehow genetically superior to those lesser inhuman asians. Whenever Japan loses in something, they always find an excuse. I even remember the Japanese proclaiming that Koreans get plastic surgery on their legs which explains why Koreans are taller.
Do both sides really care about figure skating? Its a chick sport. And most of the Korean/Japanese arguing over the internet are guys. Oh yeah, Kim Yuna is hotter lol.
cmc
>> Japan has this undying belief that they are somehow >> superior to Koreans(and all other asians).
where do Koreans position themselves? (assuming, as you did, broad generalizations are valid)
cmm, and now cmc.
I hope I don’t get mistaken for those two who are totally different people.
Listen, I’m not saying that Koreans don’t have a superiority complex. I was just replying to #8s comment
Every time Kim wins a competition, the 2ch forums have accused the Koreans of manipulating results by bribing the judges. Without fail, that accusation comes up every time (along with the World Cup 2002 thing, the 2ch users are still sore about that).
Which is pretty accurate. Whenever the Japanese lose to Koreans they (nationalists obviously) always make an excuse. It’s never the mature “they were better today” compliment.
Ohno too was simply “better” the days he won. Don’t recall any mature compliments though, just death threats.
What’s a boy to do? I’ve lived in both countries, speak both languages somewhat not so incoherently, and find a lot to like about both countries.
Certainly many of you also share those characteristics.
How do you choose the country to root for?
What is it about skating (first speed skating, now figure skating) that causes Koreans to get so upset all the time?
Hmmm…VANK vs 2channel. Crazy Nationalists vs. Insane Ultra-Nationalists. Can’t really pull for either side here. Should be fun to watch the byte salvos crossing the Sea of Japan for the next week though.
CMC,
Your comments reek of hypocrisy. The same charge you’ve leveled against Japanese netizens (e.g. being sore losers) can also be employed against Korean netizens–and probably with greater justification.
Moreover, though I recognize that most people think “beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” to say that Kim Yuna (the stereotypical, Lucy Liu-lookalike dragon lady) is better-looking than Mao Asada is to move beyond relativism into the realm of nihilism–no standards whatsoever.
#9: “Japan has this undying belief that they are somehow superior to Koreans”
[ putting on Devil's Advocate™ hat.... ] Hard to blame the Japanese for that, facts being on their side and all:
1) Korea claims it’s the Bestest Thing Ever™, but the Koreans have accomplished zero in “5,000 years of culture… with 4 distinct seasons!”
2) Japan recently controlled huge chunks of Asia until the USA showed up. Korea never got out of it’s feudal period of bickering, er, development.
3) Japan succeeds in niches requiring research and actual ability. Japan invents blue LEDs and robots which can ride bicycles. Dr. Hwang buried a good discovery with his headline-grabbing photoshop faux pax.
4) Korea succeeds in industries which American largess killed itself. Hyundai Motor and Samsung wouldn’t be in business if Motorola, Texas Instruments and the Big-3™ (ha!) hadn’t killed themselves.
5) Korea does deserve respect for their ship-building efforts, though. Nobody else seems to really do it as successfully as them.
#15,
Although in Korea’s defense, the Japanese have lorded it over the rest of their Asian brothers for longer during the last 300 years, no, compared with the other countries?
@13
Something that’s always left out of the 2002 Ohno story is the fact that it was Korean skater Ahn Hyun-soo who caused the four-skater wipeout that cost Ohno a gold medal in the 1000 m race, three days before the 1500m match where the other Korean skater was disqualified.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=.....re=related
“to say that Kim Yuna (the stereotypical, Lucy Liu-lookalike dragon lady) is better-looking than Mao Asada is to move beyond relativism into the realm of nihilism–no standards whatsoever.”
Oh come on, the kid works her heart out, and doesn’t deserve that insult (no offense to Lucy Liu). Kim is actually good friends with Asada Mao, it’s the nationalists from both sides that are the problems.
#20,
Isn’t it often that way – the parties themselves have nothing to do with the Netimorons making a mountain of of less than a molehill?
And it seems to me to be the same as the moronic trappings of nationalism that were spewed forth when France declined to participate, following the U.S.’s invitation, in the latest Iraq war. The U.S.’s invective (much of it by the same people who voted for George Bush) seems pretty tame in retrospect.
Of course, there weren’t actually many French-haters in the U.S. – that’s a whole lot different than this East Asian version of a dispute involving The Lands of Jingoistic Bedlam.
“Japan has this undying belief that they are somehow superior to Koreans(and all other asians).”
No, Koreans have the undying belief that Japanese think they are superior to Koreans. The infamous Korean persecution complex creates needless friction with its neigbors and allies.
The protests against Ono, the offsides World Cup call that Koreans refused to accept, Korea’s long history of poor sportmanship at the Olympic and other international sporting venues are earning Korea the reputation of a nation of cheaters and sore loosers with an intense inferiority complex.
Vankers and those who whine about Korea-bashing should be prepared to understand that it is they, not the critics of Korea, who are themselves responsible for the image they project about Korea to the world.
You can see just how much they hate each other:
http://news.naver.com/hotissue.....&seq=1
Congratulations to Asada Mao. A flawless triple axel is hard to beat!
Either you can stick it or you can’t.
Unless Kim Yuna can nail one with consistency, she may have to rely on the strategy of hoping her opponent falls on her ass trying to nail it. Well, it worked for Kristi Yamaguchi during the 92 Olympics when Ito failed to land her triple when it really mattered.
Oh… and Kim Yuna is FAR better looking than Asada. Anyone who thinks otherwise is cross eyed or blind.
Mizar5’s right. Most of this crying by Koreans is due to the inferiority complex smashed into their heads due to what i’d call the Silla aspect of Korea.
On another note, I fail to see the legitimacy in isolating Japanese nationalists as the culprits when Japan itself is a collectivist culture that is wholly dependent on Japan’s image for self-esteem.
If Korea is going to survive, non-Confucian Koreans need to step up and take power. The unusual thing about all this is that, Korean society, is not rooted in Confucian values instead the elite spread these values as Korean in order to maintain control.
The problem here is that for the elite to maintain power they need to instill the idea that Korean society is Confucian, but by doing so they become meaningless in the world stage. Ultimately the Korean identity, country, history disappear in order for the elite to maintain power.
Koreans should cherish their history of individualism, albeit less dominate than in western cultures, nonetheless still special in a continent dominated by this horse shit of an ideology.
The problem today that Koreans are facing, and I say this because its obvious that Koreans have zero clue, is that there is alot of resentment and anger due to Korean movies and tv shows which use beautiful men and women that wholly non-existent in Confucian societies. With capitalism, the most important change in human history arises, which is the opening of options and choices for women.
If you take into consideration that Confucian societies like Japan, China, etc have been rooted in forced/arranged marriages for over almost 1500 years you get two things. You get women with options who have the option to choose and you have men who have been subverting natural selection for most of their country’s history. Put those two together and you get every emotion possible and the rise of 2ch. So what does this half to do with Koreans? Korean media is perverse among women in Japan. Imagine being rejected by your own women only to realize that they adore Korean stars.
In a nutshell the Asian male stereotype, cultivated through cowardice rooted within Confucianism, is ramming through Asia like a train.
The individual makes the collective better and greater. A bunch of rejects banding together doesn’t make the collective greater.
@26 et al. Unless there are some great pictures of these skaters that Google Image failed to find for me, I’m gonna call Kim-Asada about a draw in the (not) hot department. Neither would be a head-turner in their respective societies (or California).
#28,
I’m glad you made that distinction; as a native Fruit and Nutter, I believe that it is important to maintain standards.
“You can see just how much they hate each other:
http://news.naver.com/hotissue…..&seq=1”
I think Asada Mao, as well as Ando Miki are pretty popular in Korea.
CM,
You’ve got a stinky linky.
죄송합니다.
요청하신 페이지를 찾을 수 없습니다.
#24,
Did you find it somewhat interesting that there’s (apparently) no Korean word for ‘rival’? I did.
#31, I was quoting Bulgasari.
Click the link on #24
Sure there’s Korean word for “rival”. It’s “경쟁자”.
경쟁자 is technically right, but it’s a relatively modern word. I like the old term like 숙적.
#33,
That’s somewhat interesting, too – I get it, just because you quoted doesn’t mean that there’s an active link in the quote. Thanks.
#34/#35,
Thanks for the vocab lesson.
Do you reckon that the use of the foreign/obviously of-non-Chinese-origin word is supposed to fan the flames further in this conflagration of distaff triple salchows?
I just find it curious that the Western word is used in this particular situation.
Well… at least the competitors themselves are much more mature than the netizens… though that’s a rather easy achievement even for my 4 year old cousin… It’s like that Ohno deal… didn’t the Korean athlete say he thought the judges were being @$$holes, but he had no hard feeling towards Ohno himself? (I always thought his name was freaking perfect for what happened, even after the romanization X-D)
All I know is, 2010 Vancouver is going to be one helluva winter Olympics (yes, my family and I absolutely love figure skating… sue me)… and hopefully for all the right reasons.
@11 cm, and now cmc.
I hope I don’t get mistaken for those two who are totally different people.
@26 then Asada must be one fugly “japaness.” I thought Kim was cross-eyed the first time I saw her.
Anyway, this whole affair is ridiculous. Let’s put this is perspective. Not only is it a competition about girls, but it’s not even a sport. Too bad for the two iceskating girls who are doing what they love, and quite well, but have the nationalist retards of two countries** weighing in on their every move.
**for clarity, I’m not saying both nations are nations of nationalistic retards, I’m just saying both nations have their share or nationalistic retards, and it is those shares that detract from what the girls are doing.
Discussing “hot or not” about Kim Yun-a creeps me out — I still think of her as the kid with braces.
#38 cmm,
I hope you’re not stating that ice skating isn’t a sport, because you would be skating on thin ice to think so – if you’ve ever witnessed a practice, you’d know that they work very hard to perfect their artistry on ice. It’s certainly a sport, and twice as much more.
I do like your last point – it’s always the rotten apples, whatever the source.
Like #37 BFK, I too am a fan of it – beauty, strength, artistry, grace, blah, blah blah.
I watched the event. I felt that Kim Yuna was besides herself and that Asada Mao might win it. Kim Yuna missed a jump and seemed winded at the end of one of programs. I’m guessing she had a cold.
In any case, it makes me laugh when certain people now talk about how Koreans are such great figure skaters…No, Kim Yuna is a great figure skater (it certainly helps to have Brian Orser as a coach, though).
I enjoy watching he routines (although the sassy facial expressions seem a bit too forced and calculated for my own tastes…but, then again, I’m not a Korean teenager). Her routines are reminiscent of her coach’s…and he did quite well in competition, didn’t he?
“Discussing ‘hot or not’ about Kim Yun-a creeps me out — I still think of her as the kid with braces.”
Be honest though Robert, she’s got a nice face, nicely sculpted body from years of figure skating; if she personally offered you a BJ and a roller-coaster ride between her legs you’d hop on in an instant.
#42,
You’re sick.
Sick? Let me tell you what would be “sicker” for Robert and other males with healthy libidos, getting Kim and Asada together for a threesome.
Now that would be one sick, out of this world experience.
Oh by the way, did anyone get a chance to check out the new “Wolverine” trailer? I see that Daniel Henney’s going to have a role in it. Perhaps there’ll be a scene where Wolverine engages in fierce adamantium-level combat with Kim Sam Soon.
Sorry, but Kim still has baby fat left over from her tender age – totally sick to even think something sexual about her. She’s barely turned 17(I believe).
Here’s a nice article in the Korean papers, about Asada.
http://spn.chosun.com/site/dat.....Dep3=h2_03
Alright, face-wise Asada is clearly deficient. But I’m sure she’s got other goodies below the neck that’ll please Robert or other hetersexual (or bisexual) males.
As for Kim Yu-Na still having baby-fat, I’d dispute that. As should be well known, she probably has an intense training regime in order for her to compete at the level that she does. So I’m willing to bet that a lot of her baby fat has been replaced by well-toned muscles. (I can already here Robert saying “Ka-Ching!!!”)
And objections about wanting to have sexual relations with a 17 year old is by no means sick. If anybody’s sick here it’s folks who think that girls in the midst of sexual development are somehow no-go areas. Frankly, 17 is a rather arbitrary cut-off. If 17 is off-limits for what earthly reason should 18, 19, 20, or even 25 be off limits?
Now, this is NOT an argument to move down the age of consent to toddler levels, but I think it merits a discussion as to why having sexual relations with individuals with reasonable levels of cognitive and physical maturity shouldn’t be able to enjoy what more irresponsible adults are allowed to engage in without any consequences.
#13
Ohno too was simply “better” the days he won. Don’t recall any mature compliments though, just death threats.
Simply better? To my recollection, Ohno came in second place. But claimed that the Korean dude blocked him which caused a disqualification. Not saying that I actually care about the incident though. I don’t watch figure skating or track skating or whatever it’s called.
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#14
Your comments reek of hypocrisy. The same charge you’ve leveled against Japanese netizens (e.g. being sore losers) can also be employed against Korean netizens — and probably with greater justification.
Moreover, though I recognize that most people think “beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” to say that Kim Yuna (the stereotypical, Lucy Liu-lookalike dragon lady) is better-looking than Mao Asada is to move beyond relativism into the realm of nihilism–no standards whatsoever.
I never said that Koreans were good losers either. Although I never brought up Koreans in the first place. I was replying to another persons comment on the Japanese being poor losers.
I would also like to apologize for hurting your sensitive feelings. I sincerely apologize for belittling the impossibly beautiful and gorgeous empress that you so worship — Mao Asada. She is so beautiful and so serene that I regret my actions. Kim Yuna is ugly compared to her. Mao Asada is the most beautiful woman in the world. I can understand why you’re so upset with me attacking your one true goddess. Mao Asada is perfection. And Kim Yuna even though she’s still a child who probably plays with dolls, is a dragon lady.
On a more serious note, you claim to recognize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder while belittling my opinion at the same time. Hypocrisy much? And you also even know what a dragon lady is?
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#9: “Japan has this undying belief that they are somehow superior to Koreans”
[putting on Devil's Advocate™ hat...] Hard to blame the Japanese for that, facts being on their side and all:
1) Korea claims it’s the Bestest Thing Ever™, but the Koreans have accomplished zero in “5,000 years of culture… with 4 distinct seasons!”
2) Japan recently controlled huge chunks of Asia until the USA showed up. Korea never got out of its feudal period of bickering, er, development.
3) Japan succeeds in niches requiring research and actual ability. Japan invents blue LEDs and robots which can ride bicycles. Dr. Hwang buried a good discovery with his headline-grabbing photoshop faux pas.
4) Korea succeeds in industries which American largess killed itself. Hyundai Motor and Samsung wouldn’t be in business if Motorola, Texas Instruments and the Big-3™ (ha!) hadn’t killed themselves.
5) Korea does deserve respect for their ship-building efforts, though. Nobody else seems to really do it as successfully as them.
I can tell you are either Japanese or an anime fan judging by your behavior and old old anime reference name.
1. When did Koreans claim that they are the best at everything? I request actual evidence rather than radical troll posts on Naver by some Korean kid who’s jerking around just for laughs.
Some Europeans believe the world is flat. There are Americans who carry around signs proclaiming “god hates fags”. You have Muslims who want world war 3. Japanese who believe child porn should be legalized. Africans who believe Jesus was a black. And rich Hollywood celebrities who believe an evil alien overlord murdered other aliens by freezing them in ice and dropping them into a Hawaiian volcano by using spaceships that looked exactly like Boeing 747s. Is Korea really that special to warrant no double standard?
2. Japan attacking unarmed and for the most part peaceful Asian countries with the aid of modern western weaponry isn’t really an accomplishment or something most Japanese are “proud” of. Although it seems you are for some reason proud.
3. Which is why Samsung is the biggest consumer electronics company in the world and Sony isn’t. And why the Japanese economy has been growing at 1% or less for over a decade. Or that the Japanese began modernizing 120 years ago compared to Korea’s 30-40 years. Yet Korea has eclipsed the Japanese in many fields and more more fields to come. By the way, what Hwang Woo Suk did is small fry compared to what this Japanese archaeologist did
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinichi_Fujimura
http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/Hoax/how.html
At least Hwang Woo Suk was exposed as a fraud within weeks and none of his forgeries made it into the curriculum lol.
4. Excuses, excuses, excuses. And you act as if America is the only competitor.
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No, Koreans have the undying belief that Japanese think they are superior to Koreans. The infamous Korean persecution complex creates needless friction with its neigbors and allies.
The protests against Ono, the offsides World Cup call that Koreans refused to accept, Korea’s long history of poor sportsmanship at the Olympic and other international sporting venues are earning Korea the reputation of a nation of cheaters and sore losers with an intense inferiority complex.
Vankers and those who whine about Korea-bashing should be prepared to understand that it is they, not the critics of Korea, who are themselves responsible for the image they project about Korea to the world.
Good to see you never change Mizar. Your hatred for Koreans is as blatant as ever. Not saying I actually disagree with you. Koreans do have an inferiority complex to the Japanese due to imperialism followed by destruction followed by bad government. Although it is rapidly vanishing as Koreans make more ground in fields the Japanese thought they were superior in despite half a country and a smaller population.
Asada Mao’s routine was far better. They both fell, but Mao had superior choreography. Her dance routine was much more passionate and exciting. Yuna looked like she was merely going through the motions. Quite frankly, whoever chose Yuna’s music and routine is to blame.
should…. resist…. the …. temptation…. to .. comment….
@50
Why? I let it all out. Why should you deny yourself the same right.
As for “Judge Judy’s” comment about Asada’s routine being more passionate, I agree. That’s why I think Robert should have Asada tag-team with Kim Yu-na in any potential threesome (emphasis on potential). Hopefully some of that “passion” will rub-off on (in a literal way that is) Kim Yu-Na.
The Terran against the Protoss, I wonder who will win?
Just had a look at the link on #24. I think they are both equally cute little girls that need some more growing up to do. Though psychologically speaking they are more mature then some of the, as cmm excellently puts it, nationalistic retards of both countries.
@Charles Tilly
I think the FBI have you on the potential pedophiles list. You sicko!
@52
This is pretty rich coming from somebody whose in all likelihood is a ESL teacher enticing students with sweets in order to slake his hormone-laced yearnings.
Which of our favorite trolls has resurfaced?
I’ll tell you he probably isn’t — late sociologist Charles Tilly.
@54:
This is not a troll. If anything this a fly in the ignorance drenched ointment of puritanical, bigoted, sexual McCarthyism.
Finally, Tilly I may not be. But it is my goal to apply the elegant sociological theories of Tilly into reforming the uptight sexual mores of your commentators.
Well, at least he’s not impersonating a living person this time.
2chan is totally unregulated. Just like all of the English-language *chans it’s a troll board. 90% of the posts are troll posts. You can see the same thing in English on 4chan /b/. People pretending to be Nazis, racists, misogynists, etc. They’re really just trolls, disrupting things for the sake of disrupting them, and DDOSing anyone who they deem to be regarding the internet as srs bzns. You have to take the horrible things you see on these boards with a tablespoon of salt. It’s a sort of expression of total anonymity in Internet culture, not true racism/xenophobia/homophobia/etc.
You forgot silky, smooth teen amore KrZ.
1. When did Koreans claim that they are the best at everything? I request actual evidence rather than radical troll posts on Naver by some Korean kid who’s jerking around just for laughs.
Well… There are all those articles of Korea claiming to be the hub of everything. I really love it when they claim they are the hub of something, when all the government/industry is doing is drafting potential plans. (Like the hub of the super tall skyscrapers, I’m sure all those potential projects are still a go in this economy!)
I can’t wait for the new ads to come out. Korea, the hub of sparkling hi Seoul of Asia.
#49,
I didn’t care so much for Asada Mao’s routine, but you’re right to say that Kim Yuna just seemed to be going through the motions. She wasn’t having a good day.
wjk: “Good to see you never change Mizar. Not saying I actually disagree with you. Koreans do have an inferiority complex to the Japanese due to imperialism followed by destruction followed by bad government.”
Ah.
What is the sound of one mind opening?
Asada’s routines was much more exciting than Kim’s, and without as many mistakes. I do not understand why it was a close as it was.
By the way, did Mao Asada’s name appear in the headlines of any of Korea’s English dailies after her win over Kim?
HERE is more on the cyber war (in Korean).
One almost hopes 2ch makes a complaint — you have well-known websites that have become virtual headquarters for launching DOS attacks, or as it’s known here, “showing the world the power of Korea’s netizens.” A lot of these guys think it’s a fucking game, and it’s going to be that way until the police make an example of someone.
Looke here,there have been total misunderstanding. I’ve been to the korean an site for a while now. After the grand prix final, all the articles were just about cheering yuna to do well next time, and than it was about jhonny and yuna and then it was about brian joubert. I can’t say they absolutely love Mao but they don’t write crap about Mao either. It seems that Vank had no hands in it too. I don’t know who attacked,- if there was such an ataack- or something to provoke Japanese, because the fan site had no hands in this. The article provided by Yonahap was soley based on 2ch, he didn’t even look into histories or past articles of the fan site. The fansite is willing to provide their istory and current articles as an evidence of their innocence if neccessary. The press would have to answer as why they publishedan article that had no evidence that the korean fan site attaked 2ch and said that they did.
bevers,
I think the main distinction is that Aso’s routines are generally more athletic and dynamic and Kim’s are more artistic and graceful. Exciting is subjective.
I think the unwillingness to acknowledge accomplishments goes both ways. As I remember (I could be wrong) during the World Baseball Classic of 2006, when Korea defeated Japan the second time, only one of the major dailies choose to put in in their front page. I’m sure if a Canadian or a Russian had beat Kim it would also be obscurely covered in the Korean news as well… something similar to when Canadian speed skaters beat Korean ones at some of these international events.
@40 It’s certainly not a sport. It’s dancing.
I know this is a prickly topic, Cactus, but physically challenging contests that require skill aren’t necessarily sports. For example, ballet. If you’ve ever witnessed a practice, you’d know that they work very hard to perfect their artistry on A HARD FLOOR.
Ice skating is physically challenging, requires great skill, good balance, etc., but it’s simply a form of art… dancing on ice. He!!, part of the judgement for who wins is based on artistic impression. Have you noticed how they incorporate music and costume into their routines?
You pretty much stated my point with your “perfect their artistry…” line.
Anyway, both girls skated their little hearts out. The hackers who got involved as a result of the result should fack off.
-impression +expression
and makeup on men? come on.
anyway, my argument is pretty easy to defend, just don’t make me break into the beauty pageant analogy.
2ch is not a right wing or nationalist site. It is a megasite with people commenting anonymously on almost any subject you can think about, many of them totally non-political. Posters also run the entire political spectrum and there is no policy of forcing certain opinions. No comparison to the likes of VANK at all.
#66,
It’s both artistic and athletic. I doubt anybody could argue that Elvis Stojko, for example, is not an athlete.
#68,
One problem with your argument: figure aren’t always very attractive (I won’t name names).
I’ve never heard or read anything bad about Mao either. It’s always about rooting (maybe too enthusiatically – waving flags and such) for Kim Yuna. I guess that ticked off the Japanese 2ch users who are extremely to say the least, anti Korean and anti foreigners (especially against Zainichi, Koreans, and Chinese) to begin with.
anosmia/cm, thanks for the background info. Reading that after the posts jumping to, “Korea sucks but they think they’re #1″, just made IamMagical/Mizar5 look like epic failures
#67 cmm,
I hear what you’re saying, and although I disagree with some of what you’re saying, your last sentence captures my feelings to the T. You’re spot on there.
dry: “anosmia/cm:Reading that after the posts jumping to, “Korea sucks but they think they’re #1″, just made IamMagical/Mizar5 look like epic failures”
How so, when he refuted nothing I wrote, and then begrudgingly acknowledged that I am in fact right?
#74,
It’s somewhat coincidental that your handle is what I’m going to use as an example – when small worlds collide, eh?
Anyway, isn’t ‘epic failures’ a bit of an overstatement to say? Draining the Aral Sea, thinking the North Koreans in power now will deal truthfully…..those are the things I think of when I think of epic failures.
I too am given to a bit of bloviation every now and then.
And Korea is #1.
All I said was I didn’t hear or read anything bad about Mao.
I didn’t refute anything.
“I too am given to a bit of bloviation every now and then.
And Korea is #1.”
Very slick humor.
There is no “#1″, and the concept of “#1″ strikes me as peculiarly Korean/Chinese.
Mizar #79,
Personally, I’m as yangnomish as they come.
However, I was always told by Koreans that Korea is number one, and not having met anything in my life experience to dispute that, I can only conclude that it was true.
This was some years ago, mind you, before it got hubbed and sparkled, so my conclusion could no longer be valid.
I don’t know any Chinese well enough to get their take on this, but I imagine that The Middle Kingdomers don’t care a tinker’s dam one way or the other…until they hear that 한문 was actually created by Koreans.
Hehehehe…
I just want to say that Kim Yeon-a is a graceful, beautiful girl, and so is Mao Asada. Also, I think most Koreans would agree, if they were being honest with themselves, that Asada outperformed Kim during this last skating competition. The fact that Asada won in Korea should be a big clue at how much better she was.
VANK is hurting Korea’s image more than it is helping it, but it is just entitled to its say, even though most of it is not worth listening to.
The best thing the Korean government could do to improve its international image would be to stop making Dokdo and other historical differences with Japan public issues and to stop the public campaign to change the name of the Sea of Japan to the “East Sea.” In other words, the government needs to stop supporting silly organizations like VANK.
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