Open Thread #75

by Robert Koehler on November 15, 2008

Well, this wasn’t the weather I was hoping for this weekend.

Of course, I’ve got to work, so I guess it really doesn’t matter.

PS: On a techie note, been using OpenSUSE, and I have to say, I really, really like it. Does a couple things different from Ubuntu, which takes a bit getting used to, but it’s solid, and has better Korean language support (i.e., the fonts work better, etc.). And it’s green. And having grown up a Hartford Whalers and Philladelphia Eagles fan, I like green.

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1 alec931 November 15, 2008 at 3:54 pm

First! :D

2 stumbler November 15, 2008 at 4:03 pm

In a city like Seoul with normally fast food service, why would a chain known for fast food have slow service? I don’t visit them very often, but when I do, the McDonalds here seem understaffed and give slow service compared to those in the states. This seems strange, since in my experience, Korean restaurants generally have much better and quicker service than restaurants in the states. And I won’t even go to a TGIF after two painfully slow experiences at two different locations (not that TGIF is known for fast service, but for any restaurant there IS a limit to how long they should make you wait).

3 whitey November 15, 2008 at 6:56 pm

I’m in agreeance with “stumbler.”

Specifically, the wait to get one’s bill and get it paid at TGIF can be interminable. Please explain the 10 discount card possibilities one more time…

Also, the understaffing at fast food outlets leads not only to slow service but to dirty conditions. The trays are not picked up, floors are not swept, trash is not cleared, etc.

But I’d overlook everything if I could just get choppped nuts on my McDonald’s sundae, or apple pies back on the menu again. Korea can put a woman into orbit, but can’t serve apple pies at McDonald’s?

4 greenman November 15, 2008 at 8:09 pm

McDonald’s apple pies are hotter than the sun anyway, Korea is doing you a favor. Unless you actually find yourself wanting 3rd degree burns, i guess.

5 Jewook November 15, 2008 at 8:28 pm

They took the FiletOFish off the McDonald’s menu here too. I’m really disappointed bout that, it was one of favorites. Wish the apple pies were still around also, but at least I can get them at Burger King. That’s what I dislike about the US chains here, there is always something missing. KFC doesn’t have mashed potatoes, Popeyes doesn’t have cole slaw. I’m also afraid Subway won’t stay afloat either.

6 emiminja November 15, 2008 at 10:00 pm

i’m sure there’s absolutely NO coverage on this one there in korea.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/south-korea-owns-up-to-brutal-past/2008/11/14/1226318928410.html

7 Jewook November 15, 2008 at 10:42 pm

emiminja

Actually it is in the news in Korea.

Here’s one talking about remains of the Bodo League found on Seagull Island.
http://news.empas.com/show.tsp/cp_cb/20081106n06523/?kw=%B1%B9%B9%CE%20%BA%B8%B5%B5%20%BF%AC%B8%CD

Search for “국민보도연맹” in Naver or Empas under the news tab and you’ll find a good number of articles.

8 Darth Babaganoosh November 15, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Jewook, they may have taken FiletOFish off the menu, but they put Quarter Pounders with Cheese on. Fair trade in my book.

9 Linkd November 15, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Atypical NYT? “Bailout to Nowhere”

Democrats from Barack Obama to Nancy Pelosi want to grant immortality to General Motors, Chrysler and Ford. They have decided to follow an earlier $25 billion loan with a $50 billion bailout, which would inevitably be followed by more billions later, because if these companies are not permitted to go bankrupt now, they never will be.

This is a different sort of endeavor than the $750 billion bailout of Wall Street. That money was used to save the financial system itself. It was used to save the capital markets on which the process of creative destruction depends.

Granting immortality to Detroit’s Big Three does not enhance creative destruction. It retards it. It crosses a line, a bright line. It is not about saving a system; there will still be cars made and sold in America. It is about saving politically powerful corporations.

Then again…

It is all a reminder that the biggest threat to a healthy economy is not the socialists of campaign lore. It’s C.E.O.’s. It’s politically powerful crony capitalists who use their influence to create a stagnant corporate welfare state.

But this is worthy of Bill O’Reily:

The second part of Obama’s plan is the creation of an auto czar with vague duties. Other smart people have called for such a czar to reorganize the companies and force the companies to fully embrace green technology and other good things.

That would be great, but if Obama was such a fervent believer in the Chinese model of all-powerful technocrats, he should have mentioned it during the campaign. Are we really to believe there exists a czar omniscient, omnipotent and beneficent enough to know how to fix the Big Three? Who is this deity? Are we to believe that political influence will miraculously disappear, that the czar would have absolute power over unions, management, Congress and the White House? Please.

Just goes to show that a mess like the current one is going to require some creativity and cooperation from policymakers on all sides. Meanwhile, Bloomberg tries to make the $25bil figure look like a good deal:

General Motors Corp., burning through cash as sales slump, would cost the government as much as $200 billion should the biggest U.S. automaker be forced to liquidate, a forecasting firm estimated.

A GM collapse would mean “more aid to specific states like Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, and more money into unemployment and extended benefits,” Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts, said yesterday in an interview.

Behravesh’s projection of $100 billion to $200 billion in costs dwarfs the $25 billion industry bailout plan that will be debated in Congress next week to prop up Detroit-based GM, Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC. The drain on taxpayers from a rescue or a GM failure is a central issue for U.S. lawmakers.

Included in the Global Insight estimate, which Behravesh supplied to Bloomberg News, are the anticipated costs for existing programs, such as unemployment insurance, and new measures that the economist said would be needed to revive economic growth after millions of auto-related job losses.

It looks like a bailout is inevitable. If it does happen, I’m inclined to agree with Paul Ingrassia, quoted by Friedman:

“In return for any direct government aid,” he wrote, “the board and the management [of G.M.] should go. Shareholders should lose their paltry remaining equity. And a government-appointed receiver — someone hard-nosed and nonpolitical — should have broad power to revamp G.M. with a viable business plan and return it to a private operation as soon as possible. That will mean tearing up existing contracts with unions, dealers and suppliers, closing some operations and selling others and downsizing the company … Giving G.M. a blank check — which the company and the United Auto Workers union badly want, and which Washington will be tempted to grant — would be an enormous mistake.”

No links ‘cuz the spam filter seems to be a little hungrier lately.

10 Richardx November 16, 2008 at 3:17 am

The Atlantic has a new article on Michelle Rhee.

11 CactusMcHarris November 16, 2008 at 4:02 am

And the November Smithsonian has color pictures of the Korean War.

12 CactusMcHarris November 16, 2008 at 4:11 am

#6 and #7,

Unlike when the U.S. gave didn’t raise a stink, and even provided a lot of assistance (thank you, Mr. Reagan, Mr. Rumsfeld, et. al.) when Iraq used chemical weapons in its war against Iran, the ROK is at least acknowledging its participation in massacres of its citizens.

I don’t really have any connection between the two, it’s just fresh in my mind from reading another article in that issue of the Smith that reports on why Iran harbors deep dislike of the U.S.. Another reason to dislike the party that’s run my country into the ground 20 of the last 28 years.

13 KrZ November 16, 2008 at 6:32 am

I just finished watching “Crossing.” I’ve never cried so much before ;_;

14 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) November 16, 2008 at 8:18 am

It’s a great movie. Is it available on DVD now?

15 KrZ November 16, 2008 at 8:46 am

From what I’ve read the DVD is available in Korea and includes English subtitles. The version I watched came off of a recently released torrent that did not include subtitles. I’m really surprised the film wasn’t a bigger success in Korea.

16 tbonetylr November 16, 2008 at 9:41 am

KrZ,

What movie “Crossing,” do you mean “Crossing Over?” You mean they dubbed the voices of Harrison Ford, Ray Liotta, and Ashley Judd? Did you cry because it was funny?

17 The Goat November 16, 2008 at 10:02 am

That will mean tearing up existing contracts with unions….

Merely that thought alone made me grin…I don’t think I could endure the joy if it were to become a reality.

18 KrZ November 16, 2008 at 10:05 am
19 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 16, 2008 at 10:05 am

That will mean tearing up existing contracts with unions….

no need to be syndicated to state the obvious.

I’ve been saying the same even way before this bailout became a necessity.

their union leader, however states, they only take 8-10% of every new car sale. What he doesn’t state is how much they keep taking, even when they’re not working there.

it’s really ironic that Linkd wants to see UAW contracts torn up.

how un-liberal of him.

I guess he never took the SAT’s. It shows.

20 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 16, 2008 at 10:10 am

Koreans don’t like applie pie, carrot cake, etc.

You’ll put up an argument again, but that’s

NOT the kind of “sweet” they like.

i’d imagine dunkin donuts in Korea must be very thankful that they actually broke thru in Korea.

Donuts, cheese, pizza.

Believe it or not, all 3 were distantly trailing jajiangmyun at one point in time.

21 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 10:44 am

I recall Iranian soldiers making long distance phone calls from San Antonio(1975). Weird, how enemies become lovers.

Then again, “The world re-invented itself.”

22 Jewook November 16, 2008 at 11:01 am

i’d imagine dunkin donuts in Korea must be very thankful that they actually broke thru in Korea.

When I came back twenty years ago, they had those twisted dough doughnuts with sprinkled sugar on em. Most of my friends enjoyed them. So it probably wasn’t so difficult for dunkin donuts to establish themselves here.

23 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 11:13 am

What?, commercialism? Capitalism at its finest! Drunken Dog Nuts, Mmmmm. Lotteria not far behind the doughnut hole.

24 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 11:29 am

I have no worries,
living peacefully
in a war zone. Undeclared
or otherwise…(classified).

25 KrZ November 16, 2008 at 11:39 am

Step away from the computer and put the shot glass down slowly Fred

26 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 12:32 pm

So, your point of view
is one of control. Jailed
and “Free, is true speech!”

27 bumfromkorea November 16, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Smart move by the Korean tourism sector.

28 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Intelligece and Intellect,
a wide disparity.

29 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 12:52 pm

“n”

30 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 1:01 pm

BTW – “Crossing” was so so.

31 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 1:03 pm

We live in a great big world…

32 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 16, 2008 at 1:37 pm

medical tourism is 3rd world shit, that won’t last in the long run.

it only works because doctors in Korea are making less for their work versus doctors in USA.

more importantly, visa waiver program is going to take place, according to naver.

Bush has done 2 thankful things for Korea
1/ visa waiver program.
2/ cheap beef.

Thank you, Bush !
Thank you, Bush !

4 more years !
4 more years !

33 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Honestly, prison has no redeeming values.
Forgive those that think, because the
world is myopic!

34 Linkd November 16, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Hi, Fred2. Intelligence and Intellect are not the same, true. As for the rest: Huh?

Are you a work in progress, or are you already there?

35 MrMao November 16, 2008 at 1:57 pm

“Koreans don’t like applie pie, carrot cake, etc.”

How would you know? You don’t even live in Korea. It’s changing.

36 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:07 pm

Krz,

The “shot glass” is way beyond my
point of view. I think, you think.
Therefore, I thank you, for your
erudite rendition of Life’s foibles.
Frankly, engaging, “in the harmless
gambols of an exuberant nature.”

37 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:25 pm

Linked,

I thank you whole heartedly.
BTW – Are you into life, and
all the prerequisites?

I do LOVE everyone, BTW.

38 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:27 pm

BIG HEART…

39 mbk November 16, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Lesnar beats Couture..

4 fights.. heavyweight champion.. wow.

That kid is a beast.

40 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:43 pm

mbk, you are the “animal”
when it comes…
Do you feel the violence?

41 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:45 pm

I do.

42 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:49 pm

Combat is a true hell, Weapons are the desisive mode.

43 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 2:54 pm

Always, “Be strong. and very Brave!”

44 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 3:10 pm

k,

I know how the powers put people down.
Intell is a Godsend, Brother.

e

45 dda November 16, 2008 at 3:14 pm

An updated list of Greasemonkey scripts to hide comments from a selected few annoying people.

46 bumfromkorea November 16, 2008 at 3:19 pm

@dda

Haha, nice.

What’s a tosser?

47 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 3:22 pm

I stopped worrying about today.
Long ago, I worrried about today.
Here is now, I hope your worries
are far away.
e

48 dry November 16, 2008 at 3:27 pm

#39, Lesnar had a 50 pound weight advantage, a longer reach against a 45 year old, and was still losing till he got that one clean hit. The few fights, with the only one against a respectable opponent being a loss, before achieving the belt isn’t really a testament to his skills but the lack of competition in that division and the greed of the management.

49 Jewook November 16, 2008 at 3:37 pm

Fred2

I don’t like red wallpaper
The strain on the eyes is a real damper
Maybe if would write in paragraphs instead
So I wouldn’t have to see so much red
So save your cheap poetry for another site
If you don’t want my cheap poetry put up as a fight

50 Darth Babaganoosh November 16, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Thanks to everyone who spoiled the fight for me… asshats.

51 Arghaeri November 16, 2008 at 6:14 pm

Tosser = one who tosses off

Basically same in meaning and usage as “wanker”

52 Fred2 November 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Paradigm, The tree keeps growing
while you are locked in.
Enjoy yourself!

53 gbnhj November 16, 2008 at 8:26 pm

Please, please, can’t someone provide comment filters for IE or Safari users? Have a heart, I beg you…

54 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 16, 2008 at 8:55 pm

dda is overdoing himself.

a Frenchman playing World Police !

Yet, never explained why his countrymen are treating Kim Jongil.

55 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 16, 2008 at 9:05 pm

who made you moderator, dda?

you own this blog?

56 Sperwer November 16, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Re #42: Merci beaucoup!

57 Linkd November 16, 2008 at 10:31 pm

Finally!

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — The Iraqi Cabinet on Sunday approved a security pact that would set the terms for U.S. troops in Iraq.

The agreement sets June 30, 2009, as the deadline for U.S. troops to withdraw from all Iraqi cities and towns, Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

The date for all troops to leave Iraq will be December 31, 2011, he said.

These dates are “set and fixed” and are “not subject to the circumstances on the ground,” he said.

58 eujin November 17, 2008 at 12:14 am

“These dates are “set and fixed” and are “not subject to the circumstances on the ground,” he said.”

Although presumably, the new Iraqi Government could choose to extend them if it wanted to. Elections are scheduled in 2009. I guess “withdraw from all Iraqi cities and towns” means “not based in Iraqi cities and towns and not there unless by invitation”. Or maybe just the first part?

Some interesting elections coming up next year. Legislative elections in Israel in February, presidential elections in Iran in June, and Iraqi legislative elections supposedly sometime late in 2009.

59 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 17, 2008 at 4:33 am

I’m not too impressed with Daimler’s
Smart fortwo.

I am a believe in using very little gasoline as possible, even though I favor business side economics.

now that gasoline is under $2.50, thanks to decreased usage, is there still a demand for cars running 40mpg?

there should be.

most of us use only the dimensions used by a smartcar 70% of time we drive.

what I want to know is, how come it doesn’t get 50mph.

it’s a half a car, with a tiny engine.

after seeing some videos of smartcar test crashes, I’m not too worried about dying in one, but it’s overpriced and mpg ain’t too good. There’s a couple 4 seaters that can do the same mpg.

Will Hyundai make one cheaper and better?

60 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 17, 2008 at 4:46 am

i’ve been traveling to different cities, and when ever I choose on the internet a Hyundai/Kia/Aveo (because they make it an option to choose),

when I show up,

I always get a gas guzzling Chevy with a V6.

is the rental car fleet where GM’s cars are being channeled thru?

61 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 17, 2008 at 4:48 am

the Pontiac G6 got me a whopping 19mpg with combo highway/street

the Chrysler PT Cruiser about the same.

only impressive thing was the free satelite radio.

You can listen to an ABBA channel.

62 kpmsprtd November 17, 2008 at 5:30 am

It is and has been rigged for some time. I often try to rent Japanese cars, but no dice. Usually, all that’s available are cars from the Big 3. I don’t know what the strategy behind this is, but it helps convince me to NOT buy from them. I have extremely unfond memories of Mercury Topaz, Dodge Neon, PT Cruisers, etc. (Admittedly, some not made in America, but undrivable pieces of crap nonetheless.

63 slim November 17, 2008 at 6:22 am

As a city dweller who rents and does not own a car, I’ve used hotwire.com for several years. Hotwire does not let you pick rental agencies or specific brands of cars, assigning them in some mysterious process. But I’ve found that Hertz in particular has a fair number of Kias and Hyundais in their fleet. When gas prices were high, Dollar rental car kept fobbing off gas-guzzlers on me when I had booked compact cars and had the temerity to describe this as “free upgrades”. I’ve never been given an Japanese car in 4 years of renting this way.

64 Keyser Soze November 17, 2008 at 6:28 am

59-62.

Folks in the Philippines, never have had a lot of money to spend on cars or gas, so what are they buying these days?

Toyota Yaris sedans. Buttloads of them. And Mazda3′s.

A few taxi rides in Manila and it wasn’t too hard to figure out why. The Yaris has surprisingly large and comfy rear passenger space and a pretty big trunk. Decent performance, too. No hot rod, but passable. Made me wonder how Toyota did it in such a small package.

However, if you spend a week in Manila, you’ll be hard pressed to spot more than a dozen Korean sedans of any vintage.

65 jonnyh November 17, 2008 at 7:30 am

#11, thanks for the tip. Some of the best photos of a past Korea that I’ve seen anywhere.

66 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 November 17, 2008 at 7:43 am

it was the Yaris or the Elantra for me, and my father nudged me to go with the Elantra.

Yaris is a good car. I would buy it ahead of the smart fortwo.

yeah, I’ve been wondering how I book for an Aveo and get a Pontiac G6.

Haven’t been able to book with Hertz, but I did get those “free upgrades”, pretty much all the time. The kind nobody wants.

I once asked if they really, really didn’t have a smaller car.

the answer was an, annoyed “NO”.

I’m just wondering if you book for mid-size, instead of compact, you get a luxury American car.

what would that be, by the way?

67 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) November 17, 2008 at 9:20 am

It’s looking like Kurt Warner could be taking the Desert Rats to the Super Bowl this year. If he does, it’s the Hall of Fame for old Kurt. Will he go in as a Ram or a Rat?

68 eujin November 17, 2008 at 10:37 am

You base your Super Bowl prediction on the fact that they’re top of the NFC West? 4 of their 7 victories have come from divisional play. They’ll probably pick up another two by the end of the season, but their 3-3 outside their division. Serious talk doesn’t start until after next week’s game against the Giants.

69 eujin November 17, 2008 at 10:39 am

Oh no, I’m for it now.

…but they are 3-3 outside their division.

70 jaw November 17, 2008 at 11:52 am

59., Gas prices are about $1.50 a gallon now and dropping.

http://www.texasgasprices.com/

It’s like the last couple of years didn’t exist here in Texas. Everyone is still driving around in big SUVs and pick-ups at speeds over 70+mph.

It will only make matters worse if Detroit gets a bailout. It should be contingent on them producing vehicles capable of 40+ mpg, but I don’t see that happening. Making matters worse is the high price of diesel in the states keeping those diesel vehicles that get great mileage off our roads and in Europe.

71 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) November 17, 2008 at 11:57 am

I agree with you, eujin. It’s been a very favorable schedule thus far. The Giants are for real — if Kurt and the Rats can take down the Giants next weekend, Arizona fans can start to think about a decent playoff run.

72 gbnhj November 17, 2008 at 12:40 pm

On Friday last week, the Constitutional Court announced its ruling that some elements of the comprehensive real estate tax were unconstitutional (see here and here).

The government estimates it will return approx. 630 million won in tax revenue collected since 2005.

And this follows on the heels of the recent oil tax rebate. What’s not to like, eh?

73 gbnhj November 17, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Sorry – that’s 630 billion won.

74 CactusMcHarris November 17, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Eujin and Brendon,

I will lay down $5 (Canadian) that the Cardinals will not beat the Giants, but this blog isn’t that kind of place.

How ’bout if I lose I stake you to a beer at Duffy’s (if it still exists)?

75 SomeguyinKorea November 18, 2008 at 8:58 am

“Yaris is a good car”

Toyota is on the right track in the Korean market. I don’t know their sales numbers, but they they are selling cars Korean consumers actually want. I think a Yaris sedan goes for 12-13 million won. My wife is considering buying one.

76 bumfromkorea November 18, 2008 at 9:38 am

Looks like Hilary is going to be Obama’s Secretary of State. Thoughts? Concerns? Tortured groans of despair?

77 dda November 18, 2008 at 10:56 am

Please, please, can’t someone provide comment filters for IE or Safari users? Have a heart, I beg you…

You can use my Greasemonkey filters on Safari — Here’s how. A little fiddling involved.

78 seouldout November 19, 2008 at 8:47 pm
79 gbnhj November 19, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Thanks, dda!

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