Open Thread #70

by Robert Koehler on October 11, 2008

Go to town.

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1 alec931 October 11, 2008 at 6:28 am

First! :D

2 slim October 11, 2008 at 8:12 am

It’s time for kerplunk to go “kerplunk” and join youngrocco, swlee, hojusoju and any other of his/her handles in the cesspool of Marmot’s Hole reject history, IMHO. Take HouseisGOD with you, too, please.

3 Ray October 11, 2008 at 8:25 am

Second! :o

4 KrZ October 11, 2008 at 8:30 am
5 CactusMcHarris October 11, 2008 at 9:21 am

#3,

That’s so naughty on a number of levels but it is discussive, isn’t it?

Still, I can understand a world where a man who wants to be naked when he savors his can of Kirin could even be KJI.

6 timmy October 11, 2008 at 9:22 am

I swear, the Dear Leader’s barbers are intentionally screwing with him. All that money and power, but can’t get a decent haircut.

7 WangKon936 October 11, 2008 at 9:31 am

timmy,

Are you talking ’bout Kim Jong Il or Donald Trump?

8 CactusMcHarris October 11, 2008 at 9:39 am

Since Hangul has been in the news here at the MH recently…

can anyone answer me the theory/dim memory that the shape of Korea’s native letters corresponds (roughly) with the shape of the mouth/throat/medial labials and what-have-you when you make the sounds that those letters represent?

It seems to me that once upon a in time, I was reading a book in a bookshop in Korea that purported that theory.

Am I mistaken and in my dotage already? Is this person another mad uri nara mal scientist or is this credible? At any rate, could you give me this theory’s proponent’s name?

I’ve always found it very evocative – never have I looked at a kiyuk or a meum the same way again.

Thanks

9 Linkd October 11, 2008 at 9:47 am

A senior American finally says what their allies have been saying for over a week:

Gates says US talks with Taliban conceivable

By James Blitz in London
Published: October 10 2008 01:11

Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, said on Thursday night that Washington could “ultimately” contemplate the idea of negotiating with the Taliban to secure a political settlement in Afghanistan, if the Afghan government were to pursue such talks.

In comments that add to the growing sense across Nato that the alliance will never achieve a comprehensive military victory in Afghanistan, Mr Gates said a political settlement with the Taliban was conceivable.

But:

However, he insisted the US would never negotiate with al-Qaeda forces, who are also seeking to destabilise Hamid Karzai’s Afghan government…when listing conditions for reconciliation, he said: “We have to be sure that we’re not talking about any al-Qaeda.”

And he’ll know the difference how?

10 WangKon936 October 11, 2008 at 9:52 am

# 7,

Leading Korean linguist Andrew Miller thought that 1/3 to half the Korean characters were derived from Mongol script…

11 Sonagi October 11, 2008 at 9:53 am

@Cactus:

I heard the same explanation from a Korean language teacher at Yonsei.

12 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 11, 2008 at 9:57 am

youtube.com/watch?v=CojcfLdwhjc

little bit of cognitive dissonance for you, Canadian.

Another side of Obama.

anything to win.

Say, please tell.

What will Obama do to save the economy, that Bush isn’t doing?

Please, tell.

Please, please, please.

Obama says the Republicans don’t have a plan on the economy.

Cutting taxes and bailing out banks is what Bush did and what the world is doing.

He’s just “making that up” to get elected.

By the way, Palin mockery aside on tv from SNL to whatever,

Nobody pays any attention to Biden’s stupid moments, which are quite plentiful, nor Obama’s tongue tied moments.

The tv media is clearly biased, and have been so.

But, Bush still won in 2000, 2004.

The real stupid people are you, gyopos. Obama never said he supports FTA. Palin did say so. McCain did say so. We “imagine” Obama will support FTA. Because he’s the “smart guy.”

amazing. It’s almost like faith.

The comforting fact is that, Bush still won in 2000, 2004.

and lastly, what will Obama do any differently?

13 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 11, 2008 at 10:00 am

you gyopos are stupid people, because the babo box is guiding you into what is right and wrong.

wjk, does not own a babo box.

the babo box is called television.

amazingly, that also means he doesn’t even watch fox news, either. To watch it, he would need a tv !

thus, wjk can pursue other things in life, such as…

14 KrZ October 11, 2008 at 10:01 am

I was trying to find some good references to back up the claim that 자모 represent shapes of the mouth and tongure during pronunciation and stumbled on this, as WangKon mentioned;

Although the Hunmin Jeong-eum Haerye explains the design of the consonantal jamo in terms of articulatory phonetics, as a purely innovative creation, there are several theories as to which external sources may have inspired or influenced King Sejong’s creation. Professor Gari Ledyard of Columbia University believes that five consonant letters were derived from the Mongol Phagspa alphabet of the Yuan dynasty. A sixth basic letter, the null initial ㅇ, was invented by Sejong. The rest of the jamo were derived internally from these six, essentially as described in the Hunmin Jeong-eum Haerye. However, the five borrowed consonants were not the graphically simplest letters considered basic by the Hunmin Jeong-eum Haerye, but instead the consonants basic to Chinese phonology: ㄱ, ㄷ, ㅂ, ㅈ, and ㄹ.

I found this particularly interesting as when I was looking at Mongol script from the time of Genghis Khan I was struck by a feeling of similarity to 한글. Glad to see I wasn’t just hallucinating.

15 KrZ October 11, 2008 at 10:03 am

#12
Such as trolling harder than Dick Masterson at a feminist convention?

16 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 11, 2008 at 10:06 am

SNL has Tina Fey to tell you who to vote for.

Oliver Stone will be doing Michael Moore’s job, during the last week of October, 2008. Go watch “W.”. You’ll come out knowing who you should vote for.

Jessica Biel and Matt Damon are really, really smart people. Listen to them. They’ll tell you who to vote for.

Listen to Wolf Blizer on cnn. Or Judy Woodruff. I’d imagine they’re repeating what they did in 2000, 2004.

My question is, what if?

What if McCain/Palin wins, and Palin does a Lyndon Johnson?

Will the Democrats leave America?

17 Iceberg October 11, 2008 at 11:13 am

Will there be an America to leave?

18 Iceberg October 11, 2008 at 11:14 am

Seventeenth! :-(

19 soondae October 11, 2008 at 11:14 am

#8 Exactly. Even if the Al-Qaeda in Taliban disquise were Arabs, and spoke the Pushtun language with an accent. Would the Americans come with Afghani interpretators who would call them out? In any event, where does the Taliban end and Al-Qaeda begin? That the line is blurred is an understatement.

20 seouldout October 11, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Tax revenue to decrease. Gov’t borrowing to be much more difficult, and the demands for social programs to assist American’s growing legion of unemployed will certainly grow. From where will the money to fight the Taliban come?

21 Alex October 11, 2008 at 12:10 pm

#15:
“What if McCain/Palin wins, and Palin does a Lyndon Johnson? Will the Democrats leave America?”

Do you think the McCain/Palin ticket still has a chance with the verdict on Palin’s abuse of power? McCain must be kicking himself black and blue over his VP pick.

Does Palin even speak for the U.S.? It wouldn’t appear so with her relation to the Alaska Independence Party, a group that pursues secession from the United States. And what has AIP founder Joe Vogler been quoted as saying? “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. … And I won’t be buried under their damn flag.” Palin ’08!

I wonder if Palin’s “Joe-six-pack” isn’t the same guy; the same Joe-six-pack who Palin is fighting for.

Final word from Sarah Palin?
“I’m delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaska Independence Party Convention. … Keep up the good work!”

22 Wedge October 11, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Yes, where is America going to find that 0.5% of GDP to fight the Taliban?

23 user-81 October 11, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Does Palin even speak for the U.S.? It wouldn’t appear so with her relation to the Alaska Independence Party, a group that pursues secession from the United States. And what has AIP founder Joe Vogler been quoted as saying? “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. … And I won’t be buried under their damn flag.” Palin ‘08!

So what? Obama is friends with terrorists! I’d rather lose Alaska than have terrorists bomb the Capitol. We need to stop funding terrorist states with our petrol dollars and to do that we need energy independence and that starts with telling the environazis we’re going to drill, drill, drill in our nature preserves, starting with Alaska’s Anwar as soon as we invade the secessionist bastards.

24 Alex October 11, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Find me evidence of Obama’s terrorist plots. In the mean time, check out these gems:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

25 user-81 October 11, 2008 at 1:25 pm

wjk:
Jessica Biel and Matt Damon are really, really smart people. Listen to them. They’ll tell you who to vote for.

Chuck Norris and Tom Selleck are also smart people who will tell you who to vote for.

The tv media is clearly biased, and have been so.

You think so because you want to believe that the reason the “mainstream media” doesn’t parrot all of the right wing’s attacks on Obama is because of bias. But most of the stuff (Obama wasn’t born in America, Obama’s a Muslim, Obama’s best friend is a terrorist) don’t pass the smell test. Even if you really don’t want Faux News, wjk, you’re getting your “news” from the same talking points.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia10-2008oct10,0,783115.story?page=2

26 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 11, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Do you think the McCain/Palin ticket still has a chance with the verdict on Palin’s abuse of power? McCain must be kicking himself black and blue over his VP pick.

By the way, that’s not a “verdict”. It’s a “finding” or a “conclusion” of an investigative panel put together by Sarah Palin opponents on the Alaska Legislature. There has not been, nor will there be, a court convened on the issue.

As the investigative panel was assembled basically after Sarah Palin became a star and impediment to the ascent of The One, this “news” was basically a foregone conclusion.

Additionally, since you weren’t really paying attention but rather are repeating Democratic talking points, the investigation did not find that Gov. Sarah Palin herself committed any misconduct, but rather that she may have failed to rein in the First Dude. Testimony of Todd Palin and other officials in fact indicates that she tried to stop others from pressing for the ouster of public safety commissioner Walt Monegan for failure to sack state trooper Mike Wooten based on any Palin personal reasons. And for good reason: Wooten was a shitbird trooper who didn’t deserve the badge.

And finally, the investigative commission found that there was plenty of other reason to dismiss Monegan — including, by the way, the fact that the public safety commissioner is an “at-will” appointment by the Governor who can be dismissed for any reason, or no reason at all — in addition to any alleged grudge with the Palins. How it can be an “abuse of power” for the Governor to proceed with an employment action where there is just cause can only be explained by the fact that Sarah Palin later chose to run for Vice President. What a crock.

Here are the two concluding paragraphs, straight from the report:

Finding Number One

For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides

“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”

Finding Number Two

I find that, although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.

That’s straight from the report. The Associated Press reports, however, lie to us by saying in their lede paragraphs Firing Monegan was illegal abuse of power!, which is not supported by the report. So no matter what the Associated Press, Matt Damon or Jessica Biel tell you, do your own reading and rely on the original source material for your talking points.

27 globalvillageidiot October 11, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Brendon, please don’t tell us that you actually think this moron is a good VP pick. The woman is a mean-spirited, intellectually-stunted idiot. As she herself has been arguing in front of rabid crowds the past week or so, it comes down to a question of character doesn’t it?

28 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 11, 2008 at 2:48 pm

I think Sarah Palin was and is a good pick for Vice President, and look forward to voting for her for President someday.

What’s your evidence — and I mean real evidence — for the allegation that she’s “mean spirited” or “intellectually stunted”? So much of what is “known” about Sarah Palin, such as the rape-kit smear and this abuse of power slur, turns out to be easily-debunked bullshit propagated by America’s corrupt and despicable media caste, that I don’t think you have any idea what kind of person you’re attacking. Just that it’s commonly-agreed in your circles that she’s bad. Do your own thinking!

I admit a natural affinity for the beleaguered, and a propensity to defend those who are under unfair attack, so once — especially because — the Associated Press, Matt Damon and Jessica Biel started in on her (about five minutes after they first heard her name) I am predisposed to be favorable to Palin.

29 michael October 11, 2008 at 3:03 pm

The investigation was begun before McCain picked her and the Alaskan legislature that moved to investigate was majority Republican.

The report found that the firing was not illegal, but was unethical. So it was an “abuse of power” even if AP mischaracterized it.

It’s dubious that Palin’s husband had that much access to her staff to pursue the family’s vendetta without her knowledge, but if that was the case, it doesn’t speak well of her governance.

Anyway, there are so many other reasons not to vote for McCain at this point it hardly matters.

30 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 11, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Anyway, there are so many other reasons not to vote for McCain at this point it hardly matters.

That’s fair. Don’t vote for McCain based on genuine and legitimate reasons, not the bullshit reasons offered to you by your masters.

But of course, if we had a functioning investigative press, America would know more about the genuine and legitimate reasons not to vote for Obama, which might change people’s calculus. It’s a threat to our democracy to have our media caste so in the tank for the Democrats, no matter who the Democrat is.

31 michael October 11, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Who are your masters, Mr. Carr? Don’t insult me with your binary worldview. I researched all the candidates, including Barr and Paul (OK, excluding Nader, why bother) and considred McCain strongly before his credibility began to dissolve in front of our eyes. I’m not all that enthusiastic about Obama. But neither you nor anyone else has made a convincing case for Palin being anything but a mediocre politician and a dim bulb, and McCain a pandering jackass for picking her.

And I look at everything–all the media, Redstate, DailyKos (both are full of shit, but I want to see what people are saying). I can think for myself, thanks.

32 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 11, 2008 at 3:33 pm

But neither you nor anyone else has made a convincing case for Palin being anything but a mediocre politician and a dim bulb, and McCain a pandering jackass for picking her.

Her staggering approval rating in Alaska, and the crowds she draws campaigning across America, and the record television ratings she drew in her debate with Slow Joe Biden indicate that Sarah Palin isn’t a mediocre politician but rather a rare talent. (What? All those millions tuned in because they were interested in Biden?)

33 michael October 11, 2008 at 3:37 pm

I certainly hope she’s rare ;)

Sometimes I think you’re being satirical, I really do.

Anyway, have a good weekend.

Yes, I’m posting like WJK now.

The Japanese made me do this.

:)

34 timmy October 11, 2008 at 4:02 pm

I find it amusing how the liberal bias in the media stunts independent thinking not only among liberals, but even more so among conservatives. Okay, maybe there’s virtue in amplifying one’s blind adherence to right-wing views in order to counteract and mitigate the prevailing liberal bias. Maybe Fox needs to take its views to the extreme in order to offset the collective prejudice of the numerous liberal news channels out there — just like Hankyoreh, in its inception, felt the need to ratchet up its rhetoric so as to counter the conservative bias in the media (hard to imagine those days, the way the situation has been reversed). But the real question is, what do YOU, as an INDIVIDUAL, really think? In a world where there is no bias in the media, where there is no need to exaggerate one’s views to countervail a bigger source of perceived prejudice, what would your views be? Would you REALLY think Palin was up to the task for becoming VP, let alone President? If the media had nothing but praise for how folksy she was, wouldn’t the contrarian in you act up and criticize how being “mediocre” is not a qualification for the job of leading the nation? Wouldn’t you cite, in ridicule, the famous quote made by a Congresswoman in response to Nixon’s nomination of a “mediocre” judge to the Supreme Court — “Don’t mediocre people deserve reprsentation in the Court?”

I think it makes sense to present a countervailing view just for the sake of keeping the liberal bias in check. But if someone supports Palin under the honest belief that she would make a good president, I find it hard not to question that person’s intelligence.

35 timmy October 11, 2008 at 4:10 pm

Wait the last sentence didn’t come out as intended; it’s too extreme for my taste. The last word should be “good judgment,” not intelligence.

36 Alex October 11, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Brendon – Of course Palin rallies votes in Alaska; it’s her priority over everything, including the rest of the U.S.

Just because I find the woman dubious at best, how condescending it is to hear you belittle me to some slave of the Left. I thought McCain was the best pick among Clinton/Obama/McCain, but the more I watch him and his VP pick on camera, the more convinced I am that the Republican ticket this year will be the end of the U.S. as a legitimate world power.

I thought Clinton was the best pick, as she stands more towards the middle. McCain shouldn’t have run for president. He didn’t want to in the first place.

37 GyopoTim October 11, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Totally off but
So does anyone get the “date a gay korean” google ad whenever you visit here ?
9 out of 10 I get that ad, when I’m lucky I get the date a korea girl ad.

38 globalvillageidiot October 11, 2008 at 4:59 pm

“I think Sarah Palin was and is a good pick for Vice President, and look forward to voting for her for President someday.”

Don’t hold your breath, counselor. A lot of Republicans seem alright with giving up on 2008 and letting her go under the bus along with McCain.

“I admit a natural affinity for the beleaguered, and a propensity to defend those who are under unfair attack, so once — especially because — the Associated Press, Matt Damon and Jessica Biel started in on her (about five minutes after they first heard her name) I am predisposed to be favorable to Palin.”

I too have an affinity for the beleaguered. Like the 50 million or so Americans without health insurance, or the average American worker getting shafted while inept/corrupt fat cats get richer and richer. Why bring Matt Damon or Jessica Biel into this? Ted Nugent is an idiot celebrity too, but who gives a shit?

“Her staggering approval rating in Alaska, and the crowds she draws campaigning across America, and the record television ratings she drew in her debate with Slow Joe Biden indicate that Sarah Palin isn’t a mediocre politician but rather a rare talent.”

Rare indeed. Her 15 minutes of “staggering” fame, crowds and ratings are almost up…

39 bumfromkorea October 11, 2008 at 5:01 pm

“Her staggering approval rating in Alaska”
If you give me $100 a month for a year for gas money, my approval of you will probably rise as well. (In fact, get on that, will you? :-D )

“and the crowds she draws campaigning across America”
Who I hope do not represent the American people, considering the level of mob hostility and venom they’ve been spewing lately.

“and the record television ratings she drew in her debate with Slow Joe Biden indicate that Sarah Palin isn’t a mediocre politician but rather a rare talent.”
Oh come on. Not everyone watched the show because Palin was such a dazzling political figure (especially after that Couric interview)… I know what my friends were thinking when they hosted a viewing party for the VP debate.

A clown at a state fair attracts large crowds as well… doesn’t mean he should run for that state’s governor seat.

40 user-81 October 11, 2008 at 6:03 pm

It’s a threat to our democracy to have our media caste so in the tank for the Democrats, no matter who the Democrat is.

Really? I thought it was a threat to our democracy to have our media caste so in the tank for Bush’s push to go to war. ;)

Kerplunk has spoken.

41 seouldout October 11, 2008 at 6:04 pm

So does anyone get the “date a gay korean” google ad whenever you visit here ?

Nope. Just you. Kinda discomforting what’s found in your cookies and surfing history, isn’t it?

42 SomeguyinKorea October 11, 2008 at 6:11 pm

#31,

I doubt many Natives took part in those polls.

Oh, and the ratings for the debate? Come on. You know most people watched to make sure they’d get Tina Fey’s next appearance on SNL.

43 user-81 October 11, 2008 at 6:11 pm

Brendon Carr:
(What? All those millions tuned in because they were interested in Biden?)

A lot of them came to watch a train wreck.

Brendon Carr’s convincing case for Palin being anything but a mediocre politician and a dim bulb:.

Her staggering approval rating in Alaska, and the crowds she draws campaigning across America, and the record television ratings she drew in her debate with Slow Joe Biden indicate that Sarah Palin isn’t a mediocre politician but rather a rare talent.

None of that makes her a rare talent. A pander bear to part of the G.O.P. base but not a rare talent.

This is argumentum ad populum.

Mizar5 has spoken.

44 r.rac October 11, 2008 at 6:14 pm

face it andy and brendon its over even david brooks thinks palin was a mistake:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html

love how he says she “represents a fatal cancer on the republican party” this coming from the biggest w apologist in the real media (faux news doesnt count)

also andrew sullivan sums it up nicely and hes no liberal
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/10/palinlogo1.jpg

what i dont get is OK McCain picks a woman but why her? Elizabeth Dole and Kay Bailey Hutchison were FAR FAR more qualified than her.

shit even Ed Rollins after the debate said its going to be landslide for Obama.

45 user-81 October 11, 2008 at 6:44 pm

what i dont get is OK McCain picks a woman but why her? Elizabeth Dole and Kay Bailey Hutchison were FAR FAR more qualified than her.

He didn’t pick her because she’s a woman.

46 Antti October 11, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Martti Ahtisaari’s Nobel Peace Price was good for the Nobel Peace Price.

47 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 11, 2008 at 8:22 pm

Chanho Park has a 0.00 ERA in the NLCS. Torre has used him. But he’s got a very tight leash on him, like he expects him to fuck up. Any so far, two down to the Phillies.

Will Torre succeed in being NL and AL Manager to win a World Series?

No one in Los Angeles actually cares, though.

48 Sonagi October 11, 2008 at 8:34 pm

and the record television ratings she drew in her debate with Slow Joe Biden indicate that Sarah Palin isn’t a mediocre politician but rather a rare talent.

Brendon, you are funnier than SNL’s Tina Fey with this Palin lovefest talk. The “rare talent” that millions of Americans tuned in to watch is her fumbling at trying to answer even straightforward questions on the economy or Iraq. I live in a red corner of a red state that will probably swing to Obama in November. Palin is the butt of jokes among the church-going, mostly female staff at my small city school.

49 soondae October 11, 2008 at 8:37 pm

#47 – Sox and Phillies in the Series, with two very nasty fan bases. Keep it in the Northeast (or the Eastern seaboard anyway). Look forward to it. F**k the Dodgers.

50 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 11, 2008 at 8:39 pm

Brendon, you are funnier than SNL’s Tina Fey with this Palin lovefest talk. The “rare talent” that millions of Americans tuned in to watch is her fumbling at trying to answer even straightforward questions on the economy or Iraq. I live in a red corner of a red state that will probably swing to Obama in November. Palin is the butt of jokes among the church-going, mostly female staff at my small city school.

Well, I consider you to be a good observer of people. This observation is disappointing to me, and may bode ill for my hope of a better political future for the Governor. I wonder what explains the huge crowds she still draws on the campaign trail?

51 SomeguyinKorea October 11, 2008 at 9:04 pm

“I wonder what explains the huge crowds she still draws on the campaign trail?”

Racism?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

52 SomeguyinKorea October 11, 2008 at 9:12 pm

…I’m not saying it’s the only factor, but, sadly, it is the main reason for quite a few people.

53 globalvillageidiot October 11, 2008 at 9:33 pm

“I wonder what explains the huge crowds she still draws on the campaign trail?”

Free admission?

The rallies strike me as being “For Us By Us” Republican rallies. Great chances for a lot of the party’s true believers to get together and vent, but not really useful in drawing in/winning over the undecided voters McCain so desperately needs if he’s to have a snowball’s chance in hell of pulling off a comeback.

54 globalvillageidiot October 11, 2008 at 9:45 pm

“…I’m not saying it’s the only factor, but, sadly, it is the main reason for quite a few people.”

There is a fringe element of racists, no doubt, but I don’t think they’re more than a small, though sometimes vocal, minority. (I’m more troubled/amused by those who feel that paying taxes – you know, the things that fund schools, keep American servicemen and women supplied, and, at least in principle, pay for disaster relief – is unpatriotic and/or “socialist!”)

To McCain’s credit, I don’t think he’s trying to play the race card. I suspect he is somewhat disturbed by some of the wierdos coming out of the woodwork, not to mention very aware they aren’t helping his chances. Shit, the guy has been getting booed at his own rallies for trying to show a little class!

55 michael October 11, 2008 at 9:56 pm

What are y’all doing hanging out at Marmot’s on a Saturday night? My excuse is procrastinating on a job and having the computer on….

Antti–congrats on your countryman winning the Nobel. He sounds like a good man.

“Palin is the butt of jokes among the church-going, mostly female staff at my small city school.” A lot of Americans are trying to put together a picture of this woman without the McCain campaign allowing the normal access to her that the media and people expect of someone running for the second-highest office.
Here’s an interesting story about how she might have caught the McCain campaign’s eye: “PR Consultant Helped Palin Grab Spotlight”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/10/politics/washingtonpost/main4513011.shtml

Pretty much everything know about her–the “bridge to nowhere,” the aerial wolf hunting, the mangled interviews, “troopergate,” and so on, has been negative, and her family life and religion strikes a lot of people as exotic/repulsive. The latter part is unfair I think and irrelevant to her candidacy, but Americans love gossip.

I don’t feel schadenfreude at the way McCain is going down in flames, so to speak, just like I’m not taking pleasure in saying over and over that Palin is apparently not too bright and distinctly unqualified to be VP. I wanted more choices in this election–including Republican, and even a good third party candidate. Americans don’t deserve this condescending political crap, that is unless they vote for McCain, then they truly deserve it.

56 NathanB October 11, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Regarding Palin, Brendon Carr is right and just about everyone else is wrong. The media has been in the tank for Obama and smearing Palin quite falsely for ages now. In some ways, I cannot understand why the woman elicits such hatred–I think it has much more to do with those who must have someone to hate and deride than with Mrs. Palin herself. After Bush, it’s gotta be someone else, I guess.

Say what you like about Palin, she’s a woman of passion and principle. She’s also been a very competent Governor.

That said, her creationism doesn’t go down well with me (an ex-creationist myself). More importantly, her views on climate change are cause for serious concern. Furthermore, her background in Pentecostalism is an instant turnoff for this Canadian who remembers the disaster that was Stockwell Day in leadership. Still, in a field of mediocre, handicapped, and disappointing candidates, Palin’s probably the least mediocre of the bunch.

57 gbevers October 11, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Brendon,

Disappointed because a liberal (and very possibly envious) female said that Sarah Palin was the butt of jokes among the other envious, liberal “females” in her small town school? Does that really worry you?

Sarah Palin is an electrifying speaker who has much more common sense, conviction, and executive experience than Barack Obama. If John McCain and Sarah Palin loss, it will not be because of Sarah Palin. It will be because of the unfair, liberal media coverage, the economic crisis, and all the anti-Bush goofballs out there who seem willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Barach Obama is one of the shadiest, most self-aggrandizing politicians I have ever seen. He has done almost nothing in the short time he has been in public office, except run for the presidency. He seems to have no backbone or convictions and survives by just telling people what they want to hear, whether it is true or not. He will probably end up giving Iraq, and maybe Afghanistan, back to the terrorists. He is a slick talker who is more qualified to train door-to-door salespeople than to be President of the United States.

People still have time to come to their senses and realize that Barack Obama is too naive, too inexperienced, too self-serving, too liberal, and too untruthful to be President. He also has way too many shady aquaintances for it to be just a coincidence.

Many Americans are so blinded by their anti-Bush feelings that they seem willing to put America at risk just to get back at the Republicans. If Barack Obama is elected President, anti-Bush Americans will be making a mistake just as stupid as the anti-American Koreans made when they elected slick-talking Roh Mu-hyun president of Korea. Koreans came to regret it, and Americans will also come to regret it if Barack Obama is elected.

58 ulsanchris October 11, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Up until I saw Palin speak I was unsure of who would be a better President: Obama or McCain. Now I am leaning toward Obama. I disagree with some of his platform and I agree with some his critics that say he is too vague. I also think that with all of his talk of hope and change that he is setting himself up for failure. I think a lot of people will have very high expectations of him and I don’t think that he will be able to match them.
There are some things I like about McCain but once I saw some of the interviews that Palin gave and her debate performance, not too mention some of the comments she has made I can no longer consider McCain being a better President. He might be the better President but I am sure that Palin would be awful. Anybody with an objective mind should be worried about Palin. She lacks knowledge. She knows little about the world. Her interviews have been horrid. She was so inarticulate during her one interview that SNL just copied what she said verbatim for a part of one of their skits. That’s bad. Real bad. She wasn’t even asked hard questions. She can’t even name any of the newspapers or magazines that she reads.
She is only popular with only one part of the Republic party. One commentator said that McCain made a mistake picking her. Rather than picking some one who can excite that Republican base, he should have picked some one who would excite the undecided voters. I really agree with this.
McCain made a huge mistake picking her and he lost his chance to make huge gains among the undecideds.

59 SomeguyinKorea October 11, 2008 at 11:25 pm

#56,

“Furthermore, her background in Pentecostalism is an instant turnoff for this Canadian…”

Good, that means you won’t vote for Stephen Harper.

“Still, in a field of mediocre, handicapped, and disappointing candidates, Palin’s probably the least mediocre of the bunch.”

I guess that depends how you define ‘mediocre’…

“In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the “Miss Congeniality” award. She then attended Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_palin

Obama, on the other hand, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, graduated magna cum laude, taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago for 12 years, and was on the Illinois State senate for nearly a decade before becoming a US senator.

60 SomeguyinKorea October 11, 2008 at 11:28 pm

“who has much more common sense, conviction, and executive experience than Barack Obama”

Have you even bothered to read Barack Obama’s bio?

61 a-letheia October 11, 2008 at 11:34 pm

I voted OBAMA yesterday by absentee ballot. He will be a GREAT President!

62 KrZ October 11, 2008 at 11:38 pm

There’s so much tl;dr in this thread. You really think anyone is going to read your 3-page incoherent red/blue rant? Just a bunch of people talking to themselves. Political masturbation.

63 a-letheia October 11, 2008 at 11:44 pm

KrZ.

what is tl;dr? and why are you masturbating?

64 KrZ October 11, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Too long;didn’t read

I’m masturbating because I’m lonely and it takes away the pain.

65 a-letheia October 11, 2008 at 11:52 pm

I see…

66 hoju_saram October 11, 2008 at 11:52 pm

Sarah Palin isn’t a mediocre politician but rather a rare talent…

Sarah Palin is an electrifying speaker…

Comedy central in here tonight.

67 globalvillageidiot October 12, 2008 at 12:02 am

“If John McCain and Sarah Palin loss, it will not be because of Sarah Palin.”

You’re right. At the end of the day, people don’t vote for the VP on a ticket. In all probability, they will vote for Obama over McCain, and Palin won’t really factor into the decision.

“It will be because of the unfair, liberal media coverage, the economic crisis, and all the anti-Bush goofballs out there who seem willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.”

Well, after eight years of what even a lot of Republicans see as a mixed performance at best, the American people will likely decide on a change of party. If they aren’t happy in four years, they can vote the Republicans back into the White House. Reagan managed to win two terms, Bush Sr. one, and W. two terms in spite of “liberal media coverage,” “goofballs,” and presumably others who don’t happen to hold the same views as you. Sometimes the other guys win and your side doesn’t. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

(By the way, I would argue that promoting a certain territorial claim of another country versus the one held by one’s host country – seemingly just to piss off citizens of said host country – would be more along the lines of cutting off one’s nose to spite the face.)

“He will probably end up giving Iraq, and maybe Afghanistan, back to the terrorists.”

Were the “terrorists” in Iraq before President Bush, in his infinite wisdom, decided to invade the country? It would seem to me that the insurgency was caused by the sudden collapse of the former regime and the ensuing instability and antagonizing presence of an occupying force.

As for Afghanistan, Obama seems no more or less inclined than McCain to withdraw from what is, unfortunately, a black hole. Always has been, always will be. Kill Bin Laden and his inner circle if possible, help establish some infrastructure in the place, negotiate a peace of sorts with the Taliban (minus Al Qaeda), and get the hell out ASAP.

68 Sonagi October 12, 2008 at 12:04 am

@Bevers:

Do you happen to know the candidates’ positions on rightful ownership of the Liancourt Rocks?

69 Sonagi October 12, 2008 at 12:21 am

McCain’s biggest liability isn’t Palin but the party faithful.

70 kimchipig October 12, 2008 at 12:36 am

“I think Sarah Palin was and is a good pick for Vice President, and look forward to voting for her for President someday”

Well, since voting the village idiot into the Presidency started this entire mess, I see there is little hope for America if religious fanatic fools are still popular.

71 NathanB October 12, 2008 at 12:55 am

#59,

SomeguyinKorea, your comparison of Obama’s decades of experience in the Senate and in Law to Palin’s rather ordinary undergraduate days is entirely wrongheaded. We could just as easily compare Obama’s own undistinguished undergraduate days to Palin record of running a business, a town, and the geographically largest state in the US. In terms of time, like has to be compared with like.

As far as leadership experience and executive experience go, Obama’s pales in comparison with Palin’s.

As for Harper, he is an evangelical as a member of the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination (a fact I never knew until your comment prompted me to look it up); he is not a Pentacostal or a “charismatic.” Such differences may appear small to outsiders, but as a former insider, I can assure you that there are indeed significant differences between the charismatics evangelicals and the non-charismatic evangelicals. ;-)

72 NathanB October 12, 2008 at 12:57 am

Er, that should be “charismatic evangelicals and the non-charismatic evangelicals.”

73 R. Elgin October 12, 2008 at 12:58 am

I wonder if G.W. Bush is attempting to salvage his legacy, per the AP:

The U.S. says North Korea has agreed to every nuclear inspection demand the Bush administration has sought, so the North is being dropped from a U.S. terrorism blacklist.

The agreement is intended to salvage a faltering nuclear disarmament accord in the short time before President Bush leaves office in January.

Too bad. I was waiting to see how that nuclear lawnmower the North Koreans were working on would turn out.

74 wookinponub October 12, 2008 at 1:19 am

I believe I may have inadvertently intruded upon a meeting of The Core Cabal Of The Ten Thousand Who Rule The World. Good (insert deity here), the intellect is so sharp, if It’s not careful, It will slice Itself to pieces. Nice reference to the “babo” box. As if the computer weren’t a more distilled, interactive version on which the intelligentsia can spew their “educated” prejudices. When I was in Alaska, the population was about 500K. How can a remote minority like that produce a world savvy Savior Of America?

75 wookinponub October 12, 2008 at 1:39 am

An awful lot of the people I encountered were law hating ‘leave me the hell alone’ types. And I only worked in Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Kodiak. Cities. Go out into the boonies, and I’ll bet those sentiments can get to the edge of violent. Alaska attracts people who are looking for the nearest thing to lawlessness they can get on North America. Palin was the equivalent of a mayor in a largish frontier town. But let’s ignore parties, shall we? All we can do is bitch incessantly about the other side. Why not eliminate parties and run on individual merits? Oops. That’d ruin the pseudo-intelligetsia’s reason for existence, which, in this pissant corner of E-World, seems to be proving What An Idiot You Are For Not Believing As I Do.

76 wookinponub October 12, 2008 at 1:41 am

Our choices SUCK. Why not struggle to change THAT?

77 hoju_saram October 12, 2008 at 1:52 am

Do you happen to know the candidates’ positions on rightful ownership of the Liancourt Rocks?

lol!

78 KrZ October 12, 2008 at 3:37 am

I was just comparing prices on newegg and enuri. Looks like everything is still priced as though the won to dollar was still 1000 to 1. $1199 for a 30″ samsung monitor on newegg, $850 on enuri. Hmmm…

79 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 3:39 am

just saw my first Hyundai Genesis.

i have honestly been going weekly to a local gyopo church congregation of 500, and seen none.

this one’s owner?

white American family.

gyopos like cm should shut the fuck up on their pretentious worries about the Korean economy.

80 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 4:02 am

globalvillageidiot:
Were the “terrorists” in Iraq before President Bush, in his infinite wisdom, decided to invade the country?

Mostly they weren’t:

The report, Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States, points out the “centrality” of the US invasion of Iraq in fomenting terrorist cells and attacks. One section of the 30-page report, Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement, describes how the American presence in Iraq has helped spread radical Islam by providing a focal point for anti-Americanism.

While arguing that there has been success in dismantling the leadership of al-Qaida and its ability to plan major operations, the report says that radical cells have moved to more than 5,000 websites to organise and spread their message.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/25/usa.iraq

81 judge judy October 12, 2008 at 4:47 am

sarah palin is indeed a “rare talent”.

the only solidified block of voters i’ve come across backing mccain/palin with such zeal has been the mormons. surprising, as i very much respect this group for their pragmatism and intellect.

82 KrZ October 12, 2008 at 4:59 am

Requesting a ban on WJK for flaming.

83 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 5:12 am

request a ban on krz for anti semitic remarks.

re-instate mins0306.

84 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 5:13 am

also, krz was pretending to be me, wjk, for 48 hrs, never punished.

85 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 5:19 am

KrZ your flag
Posted September 28, 2008 at 2:49 am | Permalink

If Hitler had succeeded the Jews wouldn’t be holding a depression to the throats of the US citizens demanding $700 Billion lest they trigger a recession.

Discuss

it’s up to you, Robert.

rjkoehler.com/2008/09/27/open-thread-68/

re-instate Mins0306. It’s the right thing to do.

86 KrZ October 12, 2008 at 5:20 am

Requesting a ban on wjk for requesting bans.

87 michael October 12, 2008 at 7:22 am

Liberal rag Time magazine weighs in on “troopergate”:

“The result [of the report's release] is not a mortal wound to Palin, nor does it put her at much risk of being forced to leave the ticket her presence succeeded in energizing.

But the Branchflower report still makes for good reading, if only because it convincingly answers a question nobody had even thought to ask: Is the Palin administration shockingly amateurish? Yes, it is. Disturbingly so.”

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849399,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner

“Monegan [the commissioner of public safety Palin fired] consistently emerges as the adult in these conversations, while the Palin camp displays a childish impetuousness and sense of entitlement.” Hmm, sounds like the McCain campaign there.

“The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015130.php

That’s certainly mavericky, you betcha!

88 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 7:23 am

wjk:
gyopos like cm should shut the fuck up on their pretentious worries about the Korean economy.

You should shut the fuck up, since cm hasn’t even popped his head in the door on this post and you’re taking shots at him.

And if you want Krypton Boy banned for antisemitic remarks you should include the permalink not just cut and paste “permalink”.

89 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 7:44 am

wipe your ass, user-81, maybe you’ll feel better?

Joe Biden is probably the dumbest of the four.

He’s untouchable to Hollywood, however.

you’re fucking dishonest, user-81.

You’re the one who accused him of anti-semitism, to begin with.

Here’s KrZ’s doo-doo…
rjkoehler.com/2008/09/27/open-thread-68/#comment-194702

Here’s user-81′s, I am a good guy, why are you a bad guy, line…
rjkoehler.com/2008/09/27/open-thread-68/#comment-194709

I hope everyone’s happy.

I’d rather keep his ass around. Personally.

I’m just asking for a reinstatment.

and the free power to attack cm.

and New York Tom.

but when I am attacked, I have the right to defend myself.

90 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 7:48 am

and nobody has an answer to what would Obama do differently, if he was in Bush’s seat right now. RIGHT now.

it’s fucking hilarious.

the answer is, he’s not doing ANYTHING different.

The World is doing what Bush is doing.

will it kill your orgasm to admit that Bush is doing the right thing, at the moment, both with the $ and security?

and especially the economy?

seriously, will Obama try anything different right now?

what, he’s going to tax people making 250k and that’s gonna fix everything?

LOL. LOL. LOL.

91 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 7:48 am

go buy a Hyundai, stupid gyopos.

92 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 7:50 am

what will Obama do? Make is EASIER for foreigners to enter the US from airports, right?

What a fucking brilliant idea !

93 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 8:14 am

wjk:
you’re fucking dishonest, user-81.

You’re the one who accused him of anti-semitism, to begin with.

You’re such a hatah, wjk. All I did was tell you that you should include the actual permalink instead of cut-and-pasting “permalink”. Why would I say such a thing? So Marmot can see what the hell you’re rambling about this time.

That’s not dishonest. I didn’t say that KrZ didn’t say that. All I said was that you should include the actual permalink. Stop hating, wjk. Maybe the world isn’t as bad as you perceive it. Maybe you’re inferring hatred and dishonesty and needing of ass wiping when there isn’t any.

I was actually on your side about the antisemitic comment, but you turned against me. Like a dog you raised from a puppy who turns against you like an ungrateful puppy turned bad dog. This makes me sad.

94 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 9:05 am

woof, woof.

95 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 9:06 am

wjk, I think you need to include the entire link for it work:

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/09/27/open-thread-68/#comment-194702

96 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 9:11 am

biz.yahoo.com/usnews/081009/09_as_the_economy_sinks_so_do_odds_of_a_tax_cut.html?.&.pf=taxes

read this. McCain and Obama are both dishonest about tax cuts.

Bush’s tax cuts actually need to stay put for America and the world’s survival.

Obama will destroy the nation if he tried to raise taxes, even if that’s just the 250k+.

Overall, Obama is lying more.

Because he wants to do more with govt money.

Govt money that won’t be there.

The article concludes if he actually did what he says now, he’ll be a Hoover.

97 abcdefg October 12, 2008 at 9:26 am

With his momentum and success becoming more and more evident, I hope Obama starts wearing a bullet proof vest, etcetera, etctera. And I hope he starts wearing one right away.

98 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 12, 2008 at 9:42 am

Joe Biden is probably the dumbest of the four.

I’m shocked that you would use a word like “probably” in this context. But then, the Senate does host such illustrious intellects as John Kerry, Larry Craig, and Barbara Boxer — thus obscuring the staggering dumbness of Joe Biden.

He’s clearly the dumbest of the bunch in the Obama, McCain, Palin, Biden foursome.

99 Sonagi October 12, 2008 at 10:08 am

The male custodians at my school have both expressed the expectation that Obama is vulnerable to assassination. Hasn’t nearly every president since Kennedy been targeted by both nutjobs and pros? Saddam supposedly plotted against Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. has legions of individual and organized enemies capable of murdering him. The Secret Service has done an outstanding job protecting our presidents, their families, and other top officials. President Obama will be the safest black man in America.

100 William_G October 12, 2008 at 10:17 am

He didn’t pick her because she’s a woman.

Was it because she’s the only attractive Republican?

101 William_G October 12, 2008 at 10:19 am

LOL. LOL. LOL.
Man, you’re loopier than a pucket full of shoelaces…

102 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 10:25 am

“your comparison of Obama’s decades of experience in the Senate and in Law to Palin’s rather ordinary undergraduate days is entirely wrongheaded.”

Did Palin attend graduate or law school?

Her years as the mayoress of a town of 6000 and her less than two years as governor of a state whose inhabitants make up 0.22% of the population of the US are common knowledge…and not particularly impressive.

103 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 10:38 am

“As for Harper, he is an evangelical as a member of the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination (a fact I never knew until your comment prompted me to look it up); he is not a Pentacostal or a “charismatic.” Such differences may appear small to outsiders, but as a former insider, I can assure you that there are indeed significant differences between the charismatics evangelicals and the non-charismatic evangelicals.”

I don’t care if he dances with snakes or wears funny underwear when he goes to church, fact is that he refuses to discuss his past with reporters under the pretext that born-again Christians don’t dwell on such things. He also enjoys having RCMP officers intimidate reporters who want to ask him hard questions. Makes you wonder what he has to hide given that Canadians have been relatively tolerant of our politicians’ indiscretions and quirks (Sir John A’s relationship with the bottle, Richard Hatfield’s relationship Mary Jane and (allegedly) young men, Wilfred Laurier’s relationship with the wife of his law partner, and Trudeau (no explanation needed)).

104 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 10:51 am

“He didn’t pick her because she’s a woman.

Was it because she’s the only attractive Republican?”

No, it’s because she’s immune to witchcraft. ;)

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

105 Wedge October 12, 2008 at 11:33 am

Obama: The only candidate out there who, if elected, would make us pine for the Jimmy Carter days.

106 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 12, 2008 at 11:46 am

Be honest, Someguy: Would you rather our leaders be vulnerable to witchcraft?

107 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 11:52 am

SomeguyinKorea,

Experience almost always trumps graduate school, and Sarah Palin has a hell of a lot more experience than Barach Obama. Palin is a doer while Obama is a talker.

108 Iceberg October 12, 2008 at 12:12 pm

gbevers’d do’er.

109 kerplunk October 12, 2008 at 12:17 pm

If Obama is assasinated, it will most likely be by drive by shooting.
Kerplunk knows the future and shares it with you.
He has spoken.

PS: Do we have to use the F-word on this blog?
Buy an Hyundai
It is is not terribly fucking eloquent.
&$#@!
Kerplunk has used a profanity.

110 NathanB October 12, 2008 at 12:19 pm

SomeguyinKorea,

I think your post makes too much out of graduate school. As far as that goes, *I* attended graduate school, and I’m pretty sure my M.A. from the University of Toronto doesn’t qualify me to be President or Prime Minister of anywhere.

You also say that “[Palin's] years as the mayoress of a town of 6000 and her less than two years as governor of a state whose inhabitants make up 0.22% of the population of the US are common knowledge…and not particularly impressive.”

No one is disputing common knowledge: that Palin was mayor of a town for some years, and is still Governor of a state with a budget of over two billion dollars (not the smallest US state budget, incidentally). Despite some largely trumped up controversies over her work expenses, she’s turned in far less than her predecessor, and is considered by most Alaskans in recent surveys to be highly competent.

I’m curious: how familiar are you with Palin’s record that you discount it so quickly? And do you really mean to suggest that a career in the Ivory Tower makes Obama a superior candidate for political office at the national level?

I’m not saying that Palin is some kind of genius or a superwoman, but it seems clear that she is the better of Obama in terms of executive experience.

That’s not to say that I wouldn’t like all four members of both tickets changed, though.

111 NathanB October 12, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Oddly enough, Someguy, Harper’s past includes a time as a member of the Young Liberals. I don’t see why his past is much of an issue: we’ve all got our skeletons in our closets, and Canadians are, as you suggest, wise to focus on the ability to govern. Perhaps we could keep the focus there.

112 hoju_saram October 12, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Where are all the intelligent US Republican candidates? Why does the US GOP have to resort to good-looking MILFs to try and win votes?

I consider myself pretty moderate, and I voted conservative in Australia once because (for one reason, at least) the guy running (John Howard) was impressively intelligent. He was a great economic manager, was mature and responsible in the way he dealt with foreign relations, and was a great statesman.

Likewise you might say that Britain’s Margaret Thatcher was pretty intelligent. (Love her or hate her, she was a rare talent, not Palin).

So why does America constantly churn out GOP dimwits? Why is intelligence (and I don’t think it’s the only trait that a candidate should possess, but I certainly think it’s damn important) – why is it so obviously lacking in these people? I actually don’t mind Mccain, but Bush? Palin? Reagan?

What happened to the intelligent American conservative? I like Obama, but I think, mainly because the US is a more conservative country than most, a US Margaret Thatcher would blow him away….unfortunately for the GOP there doesn’t seem to be any on hand or waitinng on the sidelines either…

113 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 12, 2008 at 12:46 pm

And do you really mean to suggest that a career in the Ivory Tower makes Obama a superior candidate for political office at the national level?

I’ve heard Obama was an entertaining and thoughtful (indeed, “fair and balanced”) teacher of laws. This alone makes him a standout — most law professors are horrible teachers, and nearly all of them need to be slapped around. You see, law professors are incorrigible phonies, addicted to money and power (their salaries are wildly higher than other faculty salaries, and law professors have abundant opportunities to supplement their income as expert witnesses) while haranguing their students about weird lefty “social justice” ideas which curiously bear little resemblance to natural justice in any way.

It gets old listening to some phony Marxist rant on about how the law is organized violence against poor people, and how immoral is the social order thus preserved by law, before he jumps into his Porsche to speed off to his mansion on Mercer Island (or Hyde Park).

114 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 1:23 pm

“Be honest, Someguy: Would you rather our leaders be vulnerable to witchcraft?”

No, I’d much prefer that you’d elect leaders who aren’t stupid enough to believe in such nonsense.

“Experience almost always trumps graduate school, and Sarah Palin has a hell of a lot more experience than Barach Obama. Palin is a doer while Obama is a talker.”

Right…sure. If you say so.

So, tell me, how does Palin’s experience make her more qualified to oversee the creation of laws than Obama who spent years as a constitutional law professor and legislator?

Palin is a doer while Obama is a talker? Oh, please. Now you’re saying that Obama is too smart to be president.

“I don’t see why his past is much of an issue: we’ve all got our skeletons in our closets, and Canadians are, as you suggest, wise to focus on the ability to govern.”

Then, why is he trying to intimidate reporters? Why the arrogance, the attitude that he is right while everybody else is wrong?

“Perhaps we could keep the focus there.”

All right…Harper has bad judgment. Look at some of the clowns he picked as ministers (one was a guy who left top secret documents at his girlfriend’s home, a woman who had ties to organized crime at one time). Do I need to bring up the fact that he keeps delivering speeches that have be plagiarized from other politicians? What about how his goverment lowered the food inspection standards? Yeah, nothing beats baloney with an extra serving of bacteria.

115 kerplunk October 12, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Whole lotta comments for a thread with no topic.
Carr, you obviously enjoy playing the devils advocate, but you don’t have me convinced of your sincerity.
Does you firm encourage you to utilize this forum for marketing purposes, or do you have one of those jobs with lots of down time.
If you can swallow your ambition, nothing beats the token white-boy job in a Korean firm.

116 kerplunk October 12, 2008 at 1:34 pm

Sonagi, what is a male custodian ? It makes it sound like you work in some kind of mental institution

117 NathanB October 12, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Someguy,

Regarding Harper, this isn’t really a fight (in the loose sense of the word) I want to have. You were the one who brought up Harper out of the blue, having mischaracterized him as a charismatic.

Look, I’ve got serious concerns about Harper. Some of these relate to maturity (e.g. “Puffingate”), some relate to integrity (e.g. the Cadman affair), and some have to do with judgment (e.g. the food inspection standards). On the other hand, the systemic and quietly paralyzing corruption of the Chretien government is still not gone from my mind, and too many of the old boys are still in the Liberal party. Then, too, if Harper has been “intimidating” reporters, Dion cannot even understand them.

Harper is certainly not someone I am enthusiastic about (but then, neither is Dion).

118 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 1:50 pm

“I think your post makes too much out of graduate school.”

I think you make too little of the fact that Palin went to 6 different schools in 5 years.

Obama was not merely a law student, but the president of the Harvard Law Review and later a law professor. That’s quite an achievement.

“I’m curious: how familiar are you with Palin’s record that you discount it so quickly?”

The Bridge to Nowhere. That pretty much sums up her record.

“And do you really mean to suggest that a career in the Ivory Tower makes Obama a superior candidate for political office at the national level?”

Ivory towers? As much as you’d like to think he lacks experience, the only experience Sarah Palin ever had in politics that predates Obama’s is a couple of years as a city council member (of a very small town). He first got elected to the Illinois State senate over a decade ago and he’s been a US Senator for 2 years.

It really makes me laugh how Palin was supposed to bring new blood to the Republican campaign, but now that her qualifications are put in question she’s being painted as an experienced ‘maverick’. Make up your minds. Is she a vibrant newcomer or and old pro?

119 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 1:51 pm

“I think your post makes too much out of graduate school.”

I think you make too little of the fact that Palin went to 6 different schools in 5 years.

Obama was not merely a law student, but the president of the Harvard Law Review and later a law professor. That’s quite an achievement.

“I’m curious: how familiar are you with Palin’s record that you discount it so quickly?”

The Bridge to Nowhere. That pretty much sums up her record.

“And do you really mean to suggest that a career in the Ivory Tower makes Obama a superior candidate for political office at the national level?”

Ivory towers? As much as you’d like to think he lacks experience, the only experience Sarah Palin ever had in politics that predates Obama’s is a couple of years as a city council member (of a very small town). He first got elected to the Illinois State senate over a decade ago and he’s been a US Senator for 2 years.

It really makes me laugh how Palin was supposed to bring new blood to the Republican campaign, but now that her qualifications are put in question she’s being painted as an experienced ‘maverick’. Make up your minds. Is she a vibrant newcomer or an old pro?

120 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 2:08 pm

“You were the one who brought up Harper out of the blue, having mischaracterized him as a charismatic. ”

Not exactly.

“Look, I’ve got serious concerns about Harper.”

That’s good to hear.

“Some of these relate to maturity (e.g. “Puffingate”), some relate to integrity (e.g. the Cadman affair), and some have to do with judgment (e.g. the food inspection standards).”

No doubt.

“On the other hand, the systemic and quietly paralyzing corruption of the Chretien government is still not gone from my mind, and too many of the old boys are still in the Liberal party.”

I think most of them are corrupt. It’s not just the Liberals.

Simply put, who do you trust most? Harper or the other candidates? Ministers are simply in charge of public relations. The one who’s running the show is the Prime Minister.

121 NathanB October 12, 2008 at 2:41 pm

““You were the one who brought up Harper out of the blue, having mischaracterized him as a charismatic. ”

Not exactly.”

That’s funny, as it brings to mind a Cadbury’s commercial: “Well, if you didn’t do it, and I didn’t do it, then who–?”

Seriously, if I misunderstood your comment #59, apologies.

To answer your last question (an important one), I trust Harper the most to screw up many of those little, but important, things that make Canada a better place; I trust Dion the most to screw up the economy by excessive spending and adding multiple layers of bureaucracy. It’s not a pleasant choice.

The other two don’t merit consideration: Layton is right out, and although May is popular, I do not like her at all.

The leader I like most, on a personal level, is actually Gilles Duceppe. He’s funny, classy, and direct.

122 judge judy October 12, 2008 at 3:03 pm

It gets old listening to some phony Marxist rant on about how the law is organized violence against poor people, and how immoral is the social order thus preserved by law, before he jumps into his Porsche to speed off to his mansion on Mercer Island (or Hyde Park).

they live on mercer and dream about setting up practice in the san juans. at least dentists provide a value to the community.

123 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 3:12 pm

SomeguyinKorea wrote:

So, tell me, how does Palin’s experience make her more qualified to oversee the creation of laws than Obama who spent years as a constitutional law professor and legislator?

The President of the United States is an executive office, not a legislative office, and Barack Obama has no executive experience. In fact, Sarah Palin even has more executive experience than John McCain. In other words, you are comparing apples and oranges.

If you want to compare apples and apples, then go HERE and search for bills “sponsored” by Barach Obama and John McCain in the “109th” and “110th” Congresses. Notice the kinds of bills that John McCain has sponsored compared to those that Barach Obama has sponsored. It is kind of interesting.

Also, if you think Sarah Palin’s record can be summed up by her decision on a bridge, then that shows either your ignorance of the facts or your insincerity. Read what Wikipedia has to say about Sarah Palin.

124 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 3:17 pm

The above link does not work. To compare the bills sponsored by McCain and Obama go HERE

125 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Executive experience means nothing if you lack the understanding of national politics and international relations that are required to be chief executive of the most powerful country on the planet.

126 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 3:40 pm

User-81,

Sarah Palin may lack “international relations” experience, but so does Barach Obama, which means that Obama lacks both executive and international relations experience.

As for “political” experience, Sarah Palin’s record in Alaska shows that she has a lot of political savvy. She is the youngest Alaskan governor ever to be elected and the first female governor. She also has a high approval rating. As for her not being a part of the beltway crowd, maybe that is what many people like most about her.

127 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 4:16 pm

gbevers,

I did not write about “international relations experience“. I was talking about “understanding of national politics and international relations”.

Obama and Palin both lack experience but Palin also lacks understanding. She was a bad choice if you wanted someone who could step into the job in the event of a national emergency like the death of the president. I only hope she grows into her duties faster than it looks like she will.

128 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 4:17 pm

“The President of the United States is an executive office, not a legislative office, and Barack Obama has no executive experience. In fact, Sarah Palin even has more executive experience than John McCain. In other words, you are comparing apples and oranges.”

You’re right…

You can’t compare a constitutional law professor who has been a senator for over a decade to a former sports reporter who somehow managed to become a state senator a few months ago after being the mayor of a town with a smaller population than my apartment complex.

The irony is that you’d change your tune if Palin was a Democrat and Obama was a Republican.

129 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 4:19 pm

“Obama and Palin both lack experience but Palin also lacks understanding. ”

Thank you for stating so clearly what I was trying to say.

130 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 4:32 pm

“She is the youngest Alaskan governor ever to be elected…”

Right, so it’s wrong to complain that McCain is too old but okay to brag about Palin’s age?

“She also has a high approval rating.”

As a governor? Sure, you betcha…But maybe not for long.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/708049.html

131 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 4:33 pm

Correction:

“who somehow managed to become a state governor a few months ago”

132 SomeguyinKorea October 12, 2008 at 4:50 pm

“Also, if you think Sarah Palin’s record can be summed up by her decision on a bridge, then that shows either your ignorance of the facts or your insincerity.”

Of course, there’s more to it than that.

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA

That’s right, screw the billions it will cost and the land that will need to be cleared and let’s build that pipeline. It’s God’s will.

133 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 5:15 pm

User-81,

What makes you think Barack Obama understands “international relations”? Look at the bills that he has sponsored.

SomeguyinKorea,

Barack Obama was a “state” senator for almost six years, which means he was one of fifty-nine other senators in his state. Sarah Palin is the chief executive of her state. Obama has been a US senator for less than four years, which means that even if you combine his state senate career and his US Senate career, your claim that he has been a senator for “more than a decade” is wrong.

134 user-81 October 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm

It’s obvious, gbevers. Listen to his speeches and read his policy platform and you can see he understands the issues. Same with McCain, same with Biden. Even where I don’t agree with those three I can see they understand what’s going on. Not so with Palin.

She was a bad choice if you want intellectual leadership in the White House.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html

There were so many people that would have been a better choice: Christine Todd Whitman, Elizabeth Dole, Mitt Romney, Joe Lieberman, Colin Powell, even Condi Rice.

135 michael October 12, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Sarah Plain on international relations :

“When you consider even national security issues with Russia, as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where — where do they go? It’s Alaska.”

On Supreme Court decisions:

“Well, let’s see. There’s — of course — in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings.”

On examples of McCain’s push for more economic regulation:

“I’ll try to find you some and I’ll bring them to you.”

On nuclear weapons:

“Nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be-all, end-all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet, so those dangerous regimes, again, cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period. Our nuclear weaponry here in the U.S. is used as a deterrent. And that’s a safe, stable way to use nuclear weaponry.”

LMFAO

“But Ms. Palin never really got beyond her talking points in 90 minutes [in the VP debate], mostly repeating clichés and tired attack lines and energetically refusing to answer far too many questions.

Senator Biden did well, avoiding one of his own infamous gaffes, while showing a clear grasp of the big picture and the details. He left Ms. Palin way behind on most issues, especially foreign policy and national security, where she just seemed lost. It was in those moments that her LACK OF EXPERIENCE — two terms as mayor of a tiny Anchorage suburb and less than two years as governor — was most painfully evident.

One can argue (and her supporters will) that Ms. Palin is a newcomer and can’t be expected to know all of the wonkish details, that what matters is the image she projects. Except, anyone who is running for vice president in these very dangerous times needs to have detailed knowledge.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/opinion/03fri1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref

Yes, I’m quoting the NYT, if it’s good enough for Palin it’s good enough for me :)

And yes the emphasis was mine.

136 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm

At least Sarah Palin knows how many states there are in the United States.

Obama’s funniest bloopers

137 michael October 12, 2008 at 8:03 pm
138 The Goat October 12, 2008 at 8:14 pm

I am watching the Canadian election with mild interest as I expect to be living there within the year.

The bottom line is…who really cares? The policies of the parties are so centrist (geographically speaking) that I really don’t give a fuck. Harper has some problems and Dion is a blathering fool with no grasp of reality. Lol at the other parties.

I believe that since 1968, the election results would have only changed once if Alberta did not participate. This may explain why the west has been getting reamed over and over and over….

Free

Alberta

Now

139 globalvillageidiot October 12, 2008 at 8:47 pm

“At least Sarah Palin knows how many states there are in the United States.”

Yeah, forty-nine just as soon as Alaska breaks away from the rest of the United States.

140 globalvillageidiot October 12, 2008 at 8:50 pm

“Free

Alberta

Now”

And there would be nine provinces should Alberta decide to leave Canada. Isn’t math fun?!

141 hamel October 12, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Okay here is something I have been wanting to say for a long time. For the record, I am not an American and while I have sympathies for Obama, I will not lose all hope for the world if McCain is elected.

Gbevers: you are deliberately obtuse. I am not sure if your multiple misspellings of Obama’s first name were deliberate jabs or not, but posting that youtube wherein Obama apparently says there he has been to 57 states as a rebuttal to other material about Palin is just silly.

And I am not even just talking about this thread. I have seen you before in the Korean Coast Guard/Chinese Fisherman threads being a silly person. And of course there is your Liancourt Rocks thing. Your passive aggression and asking of disingenuous questions are both legendary and irritating.

Furthermore, you seem so disgruntled with life here in Korea. It would be a cliche to suggest you move to Japan to teach, so I won’t, but one cannot help but wonder if a change of scenery might not improve your level of overall happiness. Perhaps if McCain and Palin win, you might consider a move back to the States, for the first time in years?

142 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 9:37 pm

relax, dude.

Palin stumbles on tv, networks dedicate an hour of prime time to it. SNL dumbs it down for the dumb folk, to engrave a burning image in the head for the dumb folk to remember long enough until voting day. Admit it, that’s why Tina Fey is going out of her way to do it. Palin with a shotgun on Newsweek cover is no accident. Palin without a photo brush treatment on Newsweek is no accident. Everything is intentional.

Obama has stumbled many times with words on LIVE tv. No SNL skits. No 1 hr news program specials.

Joe Biden probably said the stupidest things among all the 4. No attention there.

Media has always been quite blatant about who you should vote for. Seen it all. 2000, 2004.

The comforting fact is, the % is not 60, 30. It’s 40 something to 40 something, and Bush won with similar circumstances in 2000 and 2004.

There is misconception that the ruling party in the white house is responsible for all the economic woes.

But, seriously, no one has answered yet, but

what will Obama have done any differently?

in the past, present, or future?

The answer is : Nothing.

You blue state supporters have been saying for at least a decade that Republicans are stupid people.

But, honestly, who’s using propaganda to appeal to the dumb?

Really? Biased news, films by Michael Moore, Oliver Stone, Saturday Night Live…Who’s really using propaganda and dumb washing to REALLY VISUAL and EASY points? Thanks, Hollywood. You always outdo Goebbels.

143 michael October 12, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Hamel, I’ve never met Mr. Bevers and frankly I started to skip over his comments long ago, but he is entitled to his opionion as much as anyone else here. It is mystifying that he seems so enamored of Palin, and yet can’t or won’t make a case for her qualifications by enumerating them for us.

Specific economic and foreign policies are more important for us Americans right now than Palin’s vapidity, so it angers me greatly that McCain has foisted this sideshow on us. There will always be a certain percentage who lap up this stupidity, but that’s the price we pay for a free society.

144 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 10:06 pm

really, Michael?

What has Obama done as US Senator that significantly changed US policy while the Democrats were in power?

Palin did a good job governing Alaska. She wasn’t just sitting there, “looking pretty”.

Maybe your whole opinion of her is quite honestly whatever the media wants you to believe of it.

Immediately after she was selected, the media had special assignment teams looking for things like,

1/ she fired her ex-brother in law.
2/ her daughter is pregnant.
3/ her son is not her son, but may be her daughter’s son.

Goebbels would feel outdone.

145 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 10:27 pm

i’m sure this is historically what it is, in some aspect, but obama’s 2007 to 2008 senate voting records show a huge majority of “not voted”.

he took a paid position, and didn’t work.

i’ll leave it up to you, to decide if other US Senators in the past did more “work” in the Senate, while running for President.

146 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 12, 2008 at 10:28 pm

this is brought up, because quite frankly, if he was so “smart”, perhaps he could have introduced, written or supported legislation to back up his bull shit? To pre-empt an economic problem?

He’s so smart, isn’t he?

147 gbevers October 12, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Michael,

How do you know I am enamored with Palin if you skip over my posts?

Hamel,

If I am obtuse, then it must be because I really am because I do not do it deliberately.

Please explain to me how my posting of the Obama blopper video is different from how others on this blog and the liberal media in the US have been unfairly painting Sarah Palin. If Sarah Palin had said that the US had sixty states, you do not think the US media would have made a story out of it or that Saturday Night Live would have done a skit on it?

What did I say about the Korean Coast Guard and the Chinese fishermen? I do not remember. And what is your problem with my postings on Liancourt Rocks?

Could you please post a couple of my “disingenuous” questions because I do not usually post such questions. It is not my style.

I am very happy at where I am living right now. By the way, I do not want to be disingenuous by thanking you for your “disingenuous” concern, so I will not.

One of the things I dislike most about Barack Obama is his double talk and his seeming lack of principles. Here are some more videos that demostrate what I mean. I especially recommend the “Obama Double Talk” video.

Obama flip-flops on Iran

Obama flip-flops on Iraq

An Obama lie?

Obama Double Talk

148 baduk October 13, 2008 at 12:16 am

Love this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbqj4SxGJs

Wondergirls!

You have to watch 1-2 mins to see these girls perform. They pronounce “Nobody, nobody but Chew”.

Woody Allen made a comment “And Jew?” in the movie Manhattan. This pronounciation of “you” may make those guys with the last name Chu to be very happy.

149 baduk October 13, 2008 at 12:27 am

Obama and the Democrates should take control of the government.

The economy is about to tank. And, it will take hugh liquidity release to solve this crisis. The Republicans do not want to do this; they do not want to see average folks living a good life only they should enjoy.

So, the R (stands for “the Rich”) party will not help out the people. They will love to hold on to their wealth by restricting average folks to buy houses, get jobs or afford things.

The Democrates (donkeys) will open up the national treasury deparment. Print money at will. Spread money to towns people including extremely poor folks. Just massive giveaway. Like Evita Perone.

In normal times, this type of giveaway is dangerous. However, in times of deflationary pressure, it works. FDR used it.

Obama and the Dems!!!!

150 baduk October 13, 2008 at 12:38 am

And, “R” also stands for “Racist”.

I was shocked to see McCain calling Obama “that one”.

That one?

That one?

That one?

It shows what McCain thinks of Obama. That one!

151 baduk October 13, 2008 at 12:41 am

I really wonder if Obama were a white (he is a half-white but most Americans see him as a black), McCain would have called him , that one.

I really wonder.

Racism is woven into the fabric of American psyche. It is about time we face it and correct it.

It is about time.

152 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 1:02 am

R stands for Right.
D stands for Devil.

Ok?

McCain is not racist. Obama is. When McCain was up in the polls, University profs were publishing studies about how whites see something as not racist, while blacks do.

What a fucking convenient moment to do it.

This was PRIOR to Lehman’s white flag.

This dates back to post Hillary Clinton. Obama himself said, McCain would say Obama’s too black. Never happened.

This dates back to pre Hillary Clinton as well. Obama has revved up the race car, up and down as his position with Clinton went up and down.

Of course, only a smart person like me can even notice it.

There are hicks who support McCain simply because they are racists.

There are black racists who hate whites who support Obama, simply because they are black and Obama is black. Or perceived to be so.

Face it, America. wjk speaks the truth for you. You know, the kind you don’t want to mention in public.

It’s a wash.

153 kimchipig October 13, 2008 at 2:00 am

“Free

Alberta

Now”

Ahh, the extravagance of youth. Alberta and a generation of Yuppie Puppies has grown up on a commodity price boom. It is not that long ago that Alberta was on the ropes and Ralph Klein was dissing rubbies at the homeless shelter.

Oil is plunging faster than a stone in the ocean. So are real estate prices in Calgary.

154 hardyandtiny October 13, 2008 at 3:10 am
155 NathanB October 13, 2008 at 3:18 am

Hamel, don’t you think that’s a bit overdone? GBevers hasn’t sounded grumpy with Korea in some time, I don’t think. Why choose now to make your rather personal criticisms?

Bevers’ posting of one of Obama’s significant gaffes is entirely appropriate when the media and regular folk focus on Palin’s so obsessively. Meanwhile, whether or not Garry (Gerry?–sorry, I forget which) makes posts on Dokdo or has criticized Korea, or is disagreeable to you is irrelevant to the issue of Palin.

(And yes, Someguy, that Palin clip with “God’s will” did turn me off; like I said, I don’t like or trust charismatic Christians who presume to speak as prophets for God. I just don’t think the Democratic ticket is being held to the same scrutiny.)

156 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 3:23 am

type Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Obama.

it’s a wash.

157 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 3:26 am

for Palin, it’s standard at their denomination. Watch Borat, he makes fun of it. Nothing really offensive about it, or proven harm to society. Also, not to mention, it’s a non-segregated congregation.

for Obama, there is a black man hates white man theme. Both Farrakhan and Wright. So much anger. Obama’s election will be their triumph. On what, I’m not sure. But, that’s what it means to them.

158 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 3:31 am

John Ashcroft would be of the same denomination as Palin. Although Palin now says her belief encompasses across denominations, meaning she’s trying not to limit herself to their beliefs.

Ashcroft, he did keep America safe. That would be an appropriate legacy. Hell of a lot better than Alberto Gonzalez. He was asked to do a hard job, and he did it.

I think Ashcroft should return to govt service.

159 KrZ October 13, 2008 at 3:46 am

PROTIP: No one reads your incoherent, rambling, vitriolic, megalomaniacal comments wjk.

160 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 4:00 am

Bevers’ posting of one of Obama’s significant gaffes is entirely appropriate when the media and regular folk focus on Palin’s so obsessively.

Except that Obama’s gaffe isn’t really what it was being made out to be. Read the Scopes post and watch the video.

161 kimchipig October 13, 2008 at 5:13 am

I think our American friends are just going to have to get used to the fact that the majority of the US voting population is ready for a change. Obama has correctly stated that this election is his for the losing. Barring some unexpected disaster such as dropping a baby while he is kissing it, he will be the next President of the United States. He has the largest poll leads now since 1948.

162 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 5:54 am

I think you’re talking about the Gallup Poll with Obama 9 points ahead, kimchipig? Here’s their daily tracking poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111061/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Ahead-Points.aspx

Zogby says only 6 points. I trust Zogby more. An October Surprise could easily eat 6 points. No one cares about Rev Wright’s anger or that Obama helped Ayers bomb the capitol when he was 9. It has to be something big, like Obama being the third DC sniper. Why doesn’t the MSM report that story, right wjk? ;)

163 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 7:36 am

I hope Obama gets in and grows his hair.
You know he has a massive fro waiting to strut the world stage. You know it sister.
Fro like a Beefeater.
Only then will the US start to be respected again.
What good is a Black man in the White House if he act all Uncle Tom.
Martin Luther King had a dream people, and that dream had hair.
And gold, people, Obama gonna be needing plenty of 24 carot gold.
And somebody get out there and get someone to pimp those presidential vehicles.
You have black vans pulling up in the neighborhood all the time- you’ll scare the children.
People will think the police are looking for Jerome again.
And ditch the ‘star spangled banner’, that slave master music, and get some Issac Hayes going.
Once you go black, you never go back.

Word

164 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 8:04 am

Kerplunk you are turning this into a race thing but big hair is looked down on for both genders and all races since the end of the 1980s. Other than models and entertainers and science nerds no successful person has big hair.

165 SomeguyinKorea October 13, 2008 at 8:05 am

“Barack Obama was a “state” senator for almost six years, which means he was one of fifty-nine other senators in his state. Sarah Palin is the chief executive of her state.”

…a state that makes up 0.22% of the US population and receives a steady flow of cash from the oil companies…Yeah, hard job.

“Obama has been a US senator for less than four years, which means that even if you combine his state senate career and his US Senate career, your claim that he has been a senator for “more than a decade” is wrong.”

He was firs elected to the state senate in 1996. Was reelected in 1998, 2002, and elected to the US senate in 2005. He was clearly a state senator for 8 years and has been US senator for over 2. What’s 2 and 8?

“Isn’t math fun?!”

Sure, you betcha!

Speaking of which…

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/12/politics/main4516113.shtml

Of course she’s been cleared…It’s God’s will. ;)

166 SomeguyinKorea October 13, 2008 at 8:10 am

“for Obama, there is a black man hates white man theme.”

Only in your head…

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524,00.html

167 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 8:25 am

he said it himself. My white grandma is a racist.

youtube.com/watch?v=XkAI5YNrVvc

If you cared to count, he brings up race, while his opponents don’t.

successful tactic, of course.

If Chris Rock were white, he wouldn’t be earning a living.

168 SomeguyinKorea October 13, 2008 at 8:34 am

#167

I won’t bother.

Once question, though…

Since when have you begun defending white people?

169 SomeguyinKorea October 13, 2008 at 8:35 am

Correction:

One question, though…

170 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 8:55 am

“If Chris Rock were white, he wouldn’t be earning a living.”
Word!
If Michael Jackson were still a man’s nigger, he be still be making dat money, hun.
Now dat half-nigger stuck in this strange no-mans-land that stops him making both of his god-damn dream come true: \
He too damn white to make no music, sister, and he sure be too damn black to teach no little children in Korea.

US-81, you are right about the big hair. Its not a race issue, the day of big hair has gone.
That doesn’t mean its any easier to let go.

171 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 9:04 am

I don’t defend white people. They live in suburbs to mask their racism.

I just don’t have the ability to pretend racism doesn’t exist from the other end, when black people or half black people use it liberally for their own advantage.

The only candidate who has used race among all candidates running from the prelims to present, from 2007 to 2008, is Barack Obama.

172 KrZ October 13, 2008 at 9:26 am

“I don’t defend white people. They live in suburbs to mask their racism.”

This is a very funny statement. Accusing an entire race of being racist is itself an admission of racism on your own part. Are you really that stupid?

173 SomeguyinKorea October 13, 2008 at 9:41 am

“The only candidate who has used race among all candidates running from the prelims to present, from 2007 to 2008, is Barack Obama.”

Are you so sure? You don’t see a connection between Palin’s attempt at linking Obama to terrorism and the ridiculously racist rumors that he’s racist? After all, she has claimed that invading Iraq was part of “God’s plan.”

On top of that, someone claims having overheard Palin exclaim, “Sambo beat the bitch!” when she heard the news that Obama beat out Clinton.

174 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 9:58 am

in election time, people “claim” anything.

it’s the recorded stuff that counts, such as Reverand Wright’s “sermon”,

Jessie Jackson’s “I’ll cut his nuts off.”, etc.

accusing an entire race of being racist.

Obama has done this very thing, with “typical white person” talk.

IS HE THAT STUPID?

Hey, wjk is not running for President.

Obama is.

IS HE THAT STUPID?

175 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 10:02 am

Obama isn’t that stupid.

He knows that when it’s blowing from the other way,

IT IS IGNORED !

No SNL skits on that one.

Why can’t you grant wjk the same?

Great job, Goebels-woods.

176 hamel October 13, 2008 at 10:10 am

Wow this has sure been a heckuva Open Thread, right guys? Still going as of Monday morn. It’s been my first, AFAIR. A pity we lost Brendon Carr and his provocative ‘ments (surely parody, right? And sorry for calling you surely).

To Michael and NathanB: of course a man is entitled to his contents, and GBevers no less than anyone else. I don’t denigrate anyone’s right to advocate McCain and denounce Obama. As I said, I don’t even vote in US elections, so what do I care?

It was perhaps Gerry’s constant (deliberate?) spelling of Barack as Barach and his posting of one of Obama’s tips of the slongue as somehow being a “gotcha” moment. That’s not politics, that’s just silliness. He’s been in the media long enough for us to know to spell his name (same for the Republican candidates), and anyone could make a flub about the number of states one had visited. Had he written an article declaring that there were 57 states – that would be meaningful.

That and some residual frustration about his recent comments about the Coast guard-fishermen issue. In your hearts, you know where he would stand if the Korean Coast Guard used anything more than kid gloves on Japanese fishermen found illegally in Korean waters.

Gerry: obviously you and I don’t agree on things. I don’t feel the need to go back and copy and paste old posts. Those who saw what I saw will agree, and those who didn’t see it will disagree. I am not about to try and change your mind on it, because it’s just my opinion against yours. But if more people tell you similar things, maybe there is some substance to it.

177 timmy October 13, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Wow, what a vetting device this open thread is. Now I know who’s comments to skip in the future.

178 The Goat October 13, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Ahh, the extravagance of youth…blah blah

Heh. I wish. Been ’round long enough to experience the bad times (primarily caused by the federal Libs)and suffered through the cuts that Klein made to put the province back on track.

I say back on track because fucked up policies such as the NEP was simply a transfer of wealth from the west to the east (a historical trend) and had the effect of prolonging the recession for a good 5 years in Alberta.

Check historical oil prices before saying the Klein did it on the back of a high rate. Check historical net transfer payments from even 50 years ago until today. Only one net contributor in each and every year – Alberta.

To make a long story short – I am pretty sick of the sense of entitlement displayed by those in central Canada. I am also sick of the bullshit policies that are put in place without representation.

179 Linkd October 13, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Indeed. I think kimchipig defines the number of years in a ‘generation’ using the fingers on one hand.

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflation_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.htm

180 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Hello, I’m up here!

H E L L O !/

Yes, me, I have an election too.

We don’t just have to vote on what kind of lap dog to the US we want to be.
We also have to discuss the NEP, the historical legacy of Klein, and net transfer payments.
Doesn’t Canada have its own Internet to discuss this?
OK my little lumberjacks, I’m only joshing with you, eh.

FACT: Canada generally puts our country to shame.
Except for the inferiority complex, watching Canadians toady around with their tucked in shirts and church manners, I’d rather keep our superiority complex.
So sorry, keep going with your “look at me” dialog.
I would not have posted this if Linkd had not attacked me and called for my banning from this site for the laughable crime of “insincerity”.
I’m still waiting for an apology from the head-in-the-sand Canadian true believer in US exceptionalism. If only more US citizens were like that.

181 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 1:24 pm

oops, sorry about the bold

182 Linkd October 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm

OK, fartsmell, tell you what – we’ll start counting now, at 1:40 pm. If you can make 100 comments on this blog, on at least 5 different threads and before I go to bed around 11 pm, then I will recognize that you are indeed a valuable contributor, apologize, and call for your banning no further. Ready, set, go.

183 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 1:55 pm

In the unlikely event that there are indeed Canadians that are offendable, let me apologize to them for my above tongue-in-cheek comment.
Linkd: I’m sorry, I don’t agree to that ‘challenge’.
I do not see how your subjective appraisal of other commenters input can be a determinating factor in whether a fellow commenter should be banned or not.
Personally I believe broaching the topic of banning a fellow commenter should be off-topic, and the matter left in the hands of the blog master Robert himself.
But thats me, and I don’t expect others to ascribe to my world view. I don’t really seek your apology either, it would be nice if you didn’t go around acting like some cyber bully, but what can I do.
A forum such as this is a great venue to share such beliefs, and would not be if those with differing views were suppressed. I have looked up some of the threads of swlee and while I don’t agree with everything he wrote, some of which is indeed incendiary, he did appear to contribute to debate on this blog and shake some of the more conservative commenters here out of their sheltered narrow blinkers world view. In that way, I find comparisons of him with me as quite complimentary.
I don’t know what I have done wrong here to prompt a call for banning from no less than four commenters and would appreciate it if Robert could clarify the situation.
I don’t profess to get everything right or post comments that you agree with every single time, and to be honest, I don’t even try.
If that is my failure, so be it.

184 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 13, 2008 at 3:47 pm

What’s interesting to me is there is a possibility this knob kerplunk is a genuine Korean scholar at a well-known institution, coming here and acting a fool. Does he get drunk and post here?

185 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Well it must indeed be a well-known institution if it cannot even afford to provide me with anonymity from the sleuthing powers of a legal mind. And yes counselor, I also plead guilty to the second charge of (occasionally) typing under the influence of alcohol.
You can keep you insults to your chambers, though Brendon, and I would appreciate it if you respected my wish for anonymity.

186 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 13, 2008 at 4:10 pm

Your secret’s safe with me, kerplunk. I’m just shocked at the sudden assholery of your presence on the Marmot’s Hole. Perhaps you could spare us the insults and racist rantings.

187 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Here is something to make wjk’s head explode: It’s the man behind the cyberwhisper campaigns against Obama who is ALSO “a prodigious filer of lawsuits” who “has filed so many lawsuits that a judge barred him from doing so in any federal court without preliminary approval”. Does wjk praise him or condemn him. Right now all working brain cells must be firing in overdrive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?hp

188 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 4:24 pm

From where I sit, I am equally dismayed with the sentiment expressed here by young western men (excluding yourself the blog host, and some others) toward a country which I both love and have great respect for. I came to this site on the recommendation of a colleague, only to find its comments section a festering hotbed of anti-Korean sentiment. My ‘sudden assholery’ and ‘insults and racist rantings’ were only ever intended to draw that sentiment into focus and prompt greater thought among people here.
It is in no way a reflection of my career’s work, as I’m sure you have realized given that you have likely googled and are reading some of my past work right now.
Your honor (sic) as a lawyer at not revealing my identity is admirable, though, and I thank you.
Feeling just a little naked all of a sudden.

189 Linkd October 13, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Nice try at sincerity, troll-breath. Meanwhile, over in Pimp Daddy, you’re chumming it up with Sperwer, whose opinion of modern-day Korea only ever reaches as high as tolerance on a good day, while mocking ‘SomegayinKorea’, who never says anything bad about this country.

“cyber bully”? I like to think I’m acting more as a quality control officer.

190 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 4:58 pm

If that is true Linkd, I was not aware of it. Could you please stop bothering me though, I honestly do not know what I have done to warrant your attention and displeasure. If there are contradictions in my comments that are apparent to you, it merely reflects the fact that I do not live life in a world of monotone.

191 gbevers October 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Kerplunk,

I do not see how acting like an asshole, making insults, and doing racist rants can “prompt greater thought among people.” I do not know if you have really been doing that since I have not been paying much attention to your posts, but I still do not understand why people come online and pretend to be someone they are not.

By the way, the reason I have not been paying much attention to your posts is because the few posts of yours that I have read did not make much sense to me.

Now that you have been exposed, in a way, I hope you start posting things that really do prompt greater thought.

192 michael October 13, 2008 at 5:22 pm

kerplunk = kushibo

HardyandTiny wins the thread–that’s a great link up there (slightly NSFW)

I just found out about this site:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

McCain’s “win percentage” (it’s explained in the FAQ) is 5.9% now. So Obama’s is 94.1%. Ouch.

Caribou Barbie could still somehow wind up being our VP; it ain’t over till it’s over. And that’s still a disturbing thought, because, as Dan Quayle once said, “People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history.” :)

193 kerplunk October 13, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Why should I be held liable for every single mental midget that reads this blog. It is not my fault if you don’t understand my comments.And I am tired of explaining myself to them.

194 iheartblueballs October 13, 2008 at 5:42 pm

My ’sudden assholery’ and ‘insults and racist rantings’ were only ever intended to draw that sentiment into focus and prompt greater thought among people here.

You’re not only failing miserably with your stated goal, but your failures are neither interesting, entertaining, informative, nor funny. That makes them by default, irrelevant.

And stop embarrassing yourself by assuming that your wjk-like buffoonery has stoked anyone’s interest in your “career work.” Nothing could be further from the reality. The only googling anyone’s doing is to figure out if your childish incoherence is more similar to the jackass swlee, or the idiot stacked.

McCain’s “win percentage” (it’s explained in the FAQ) is 5.9% now. So Obama’s is 94.1%. Ouch

Yes michael, but that site also lists the odds of a McCain landslide victory (375+ electoral votes) at only 0.13%.

Given that our esteemed political prognosticator B. Carr already declared Obama would be lucky to get 135 EV — which means 400+ EV for McCain — one would have to question their methodology.

Sure, they may have reams of polling data, statistical analysis, historical context, and complex algorithms….but Mr. Carr has his finger on the pulse of America.

I trust that finger, and that’s why I’ve sold all my assets and sunk them into a McCain landslide victory contract on Intrade. Come November 5th, I’ll be rolling in billions, and I’ll have one brave lawyer to thank for it.

He may look foolish now, but much like George W Bush, he’s simply a genius far ahead of his time.

195 michael October 13, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Hmmm…I have all my savings in Ayers Muslim Terrorist credit default swaps…maybe I should switch over….

196 SomeguyinKorea October 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm

“The only candidate who has used race among all candidates running from the prelims to present, from 2007 to 2008, is Barack Obama.”

Once again, not directly…but pretty damn close.

“Republican John McCain dialed back personal attacks on Democrat Barack Obama over the weekend, but vowed he would whip his opponent’s “you know what” when they clash this week in their final presidential debate on Wednesday.”

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/13/america/NA-POL-US-Elections.php

197 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 6:50 pm

kerplunk = kushibo

I think the safest route is to assume everybody is kushibo until proven otherwise.

198 michael October 13, 2008 at 6:52 pm

“McCain and Palin Appear to Disagree on North Korea”

“I expect the administration to explain exactly how this new verification agreement advances American interests and those of our allies before I will be able to support any decision to remove North Korea from the list of state sponsors of terrorism,” [McCain] said in the statement.

Speaking to reporters in Altoona, Pa., Palin said: “[Secretary of State] Condoleezza Rice, of course, having worked on this strategy for quite some time, I have faith in her that they’re making this wise decision and North Korea, of course, better live up to its end of the bargain there, in speaking with the other countries whom they’ve been working with, in promising the verification. That end of the bargain has got to be lived up to.”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/12/mccain_and_palin_appear_to_dis.html

Bavis/Butthead ’08

199 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 6:55 pm

Wrong post michael. :)

200 michael October 13, 2008 at 6:57 pm

User-81, I’m keeping all my venting on the open threads for convenience so people can scroll past it ;)

201 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 13, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Not one can come up with what would Obama do differently versus Bush, on the

economy.

by the way, the dude stopped working in the Senate, effective January 2007. Plenty of Non Voted in his illustrious, nonproductive US Senate career.

202 slim October 13, 2008 at 8:56 pm

kushibo, when he tried to be funny, could be as cloying and unwitty as kerplunk, but IMHO he was a respectable, productive blogger/commenter and didn’t come across as a 24/7 wanker. Moreover, kushibo didn’t commit fundamental writing style errors.

I’m betting on swlee aka youngrocco aka hojusoju. Zap em all; let god sort em out.

203 user-81 October 13, 2008 at 9:06 pm

wjk, the difference is what Obama would have done differently in the past and what he would do differently in the future. After all the hands-off and deregulation of 8 years, the Republican White House and Congress got us into a situation where Obama and McCain have the same prescription. But would McCain or Obama or Gore have gotten us to this point in the first place?

204 Iceberg October 13, 2008 at 9:22 pm

they’re making this wise decision and North Korea, of course, better live up to its end of the bargain there

The Future Superstar of the Republican Party™, ladies and gentlemen.

205 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) October 13, 2008 at 9:50 pm

But would McCain or Obama or Gore have gotten us to this point in the first place?

Left to their own judgments, the record is quite clear that both McCain and Bush would each have moved to rein in the GSEs before the final years of frenzy. Whether or not that would have been enough to avert, or merely would have ameliorated, the current liquidity crisis — nobody knows.

Anyway, trouble’s just barely gotten started. The real fiscal problem is entitlements growth. We have promised too many goodies to our citizens — even without single-payer healthcare — and must unavoidably default on those obligations. There are US$45 trillion in social-entitlement promises we’re supposed to keep (how?) in the next 25 years — something near to US$500,000 per family.

Grandma and Grandpa are going to live with you.

206 Linkd October 13, 2008 at 10:53 pm

But they’re not going to live well.

Let’s just take your numbers: that’s $20,000 per year per family. What’s a family? 3.8 people? That’s $5,260 a year, or $440 a month per person – in today’s dollars, which, at 2% inflation, means that the final month of payout will only equal $217 a month. If the entitlements you refer to amount basically to public pension and medical, then some portion of that is fixed (pension) and some portion of that is variable (medical – like an insurance program, some people will use it and some people won’t). Medical costs in America being what they are, maybe let’s not assume a major chunk of that money comes directly to retirees as pension.

So, you have so little faith in America’s economy that it won’t be able to generate enough wealth to cover that little bit of help?

Anyway, all theoretical, of course, since we don’t know the future of these programs, or who will pay for them. But if you are concerned about who will pay for them, keep in mind that that hasn’t been determined yet. If you want the middle class to pay, vote McCain. If you want the wealthy and corporate sector to pay, vote Obama. Have a nice retirement. May you not get sick.

207 gbevers October 14, 2008 at 1:05 am

Linkd,

When you tax corporations, it puts more burden on the poor and middle class than it does on the rich because the corporation simply adds that tax expense to cost of the product or service. If you do not tax corporations, then the cost of those products and services should come down.

For example, by eliminating the corporate income tax, the price of a car might come down from $25,000 to $20,000. That $5,000 savings would not mean much to a person making a million dollars a year, but it would mean a hell of a lot to a person making $30,000 a year.

It would be more fair to the poor and middle class to just tax personal income because then the rich would be paying their fair share of the taxes rather than putting the corporate tax burden on those who are least able to pay it.

The rich probably love the corporate income tax because it means the middle class are essentially subsidizing their rich life styles by paying most of the taxes that keep our government operating.

208 Iceberg October 14, 2008 at 5:35 am

Riiiiight….

209 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 14, 2008 at 6:07 am

Do they teach different stuff at Canadian MBA programs? With an encouragement to LIE if it will help your political cause?

No wonder they go for US programs at every chance they get.

Also, this shows regular church attenders such as I favor McCain, but I am not white.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108052/Candidate-Support-Church-Attendance-Among-Whites.aspx

Apparently, there are “more important things” when your race is not white among church goers.

But, make no mistake. I have yet to see a “Christian” take Easter in the Bahamas. Obama did this in 2008, Easter. What’s funny is that Easter was even observed among classic European war times, by leaders whom some will rightly judge as the scum of humanity.

You ever complain about Jeollado voting commie?

US blacks do the same.

gallup.com/poll/108040/Candidate-Support-Race.aspx

Are US blacks commie?

210 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 14, 2008 at 6:27 am

to reiterate, Obama is not Christian.

Nor is he Muslim.

He’s irreligious.

The Middle East nations are volunteering to stash his campaign funds, because they understand this as well, that Barack Obama is
1/ not Christian.
2/ irreligious.
3/ not Muslim, but this is the best they could dream for.

Issue 2.

4 dollar drugs have benefited the American Consumer. Corps have done this. Wal-Mart, Target.

3 dollar drugs exist in certain US major city public hospitals.

The difference is, one runs on debt.

My challenging question is,

Is this a necessary debt?

211 user-81 October 14, 2008 at 6:48 am

wjk, Obama was in the U.S. Virgin Islands (St. Thomas) for Easter, not Bahamas and he did attend a small service there on Easter. The press was camped out at his Chicago church on Easter and he didn’t show. Stop reading the talking points memo. The more you foam at the mouth the closer you convince me that I should vote for Obama.

212 kerplunk October 14, 2008 at 7:13 am

You won’t need to vote, user 81.
Obama has already crossed the porch.
The white house is about to turn black.
If WJK wants to live in a Bush-style country, he can go back to Korea.

213 KrZ October 14, 2008 at 7:33 am

I like how saying he’s an agnostic/atheist is a bad thing. Oh no! A man smart enough to see that Christianity is a ridiculous, idiotic, 2000-year old myth. I’ve read the bible cover to cover over a dozen times and still can’t imagine how anyone could be fool enough to buy any of it as more than a few good rules to live by, some exaggerated history, and a bunch of magical BS to keep the mouth breathers interested.

214 kerplunk October 14, 2008 at 7:41 am

KrZ, you read the bible cover-to-cover multiple times? Was that in prison? Did’t they have other books? Poor boy.
Theists are the result of poor education.
Gyeopos often turn to religion after the frog is pulled out of the well, but that is a more a response to a sense of alienation.
and love for Je$u$.

215 Robert Koehler October 14, 2008 at 7:41 am

Swlee banned.

216 gbevers October 14, 2008 at 8:32 am

Baduk (#148),

I really like that video. I teach a speech clinic at my school, where one of the “guys” in the class did an informative speech on “How to Do the Wonder Girls’ ‘Nobody Dance.’” For visual aids, he showed part of the video and then demostrated the steps using a volunteer from the audience. Everyone really enjoyed that speech.

217 Linkd October 14, 2008 at 8:37 am
218 Sperwer October 14, 2008 at 9:07 am

Linkd says:

“Sperwer, whose opinion of modern-day Korea only ever reaches as high as tolerance on a good day”

Pretty good, Linkd – but even on a good day my opinion of Korea never gets even that high, although my opinion of some Koreans reaches the dizzying heights of (grudging) respect. ;)

And while I think you’re correct that kerplunk/swlee was trying to get chummy with me, I’ve been around the block a few too many times to reciprocate that pond scum’s provocations, whether of the phonily friendly or the more characteristic vicious variety

219 cmm October 14, 2008 at 9:38 am

how wjk doesn’t get banned escapes me.

220 michael October 14, 2008 at 9:53 am

“A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/11/speaker-at-mccain-rally-says-non-christians-want-an-obama-win/

Bonus points: “There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah….” The mental midget apparently thinks Buddha is a god and Hindus have only one god.

The comments below the article are priceless.

221 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 14, 2008 at 10:29 am

i obey the rules.

Confirming that you will cater to 40% of America that is church going Christian is historically important in American politics. There has been few exceptions.

Not even Obama is willing to buck this trend.

If Obama loses, it will be because of the Christians. The white Christians.

Not the hypocritical minority Christians, who say that advancing Christian policy is not important when they vote. ‘Insert Korean Christian Americans in here.’

user-81, with all due respect, people usually go to “their” churches on Easter.

Not the one in a vacation resort.

Nice try.

Wright didn’t say the things he did on one or two occasions overnight. Obama pretends he’s deaf, stupid, or he’s revealing how much attention he pays while sitting there.

BTWay, what talking points? I don’t read that crap. Everything comes from between my shoulders.

222 gbnhj October 14, 2008 at 10:37 am

Linkd wrote:

Partial answer to gbnhj
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/…..ent-170778

Linkd, I’m sorry, but what’s this in reference to? I understand what you’ve written about, but don’t get the connection.

223 Wedge October 14, 2008 at 10:46 am

Obama/Pelosi’s socialist agenda will bring us down to Europe’s level and snuff out the entrepreneurial and individual liberty-loving spirit that has made America great. That’s why half the Euros I meet are trying to convince me to vote for Obama. It’ll be equal outcomes, not equal opportunities. Harry Bergeron will live.

Although McCain’s transparent activist nature is unsettling, at least he’ll be a check on Pelosi’s Congress, and he’ll ensure the Supreme Court is not laden with legislate-from-the-bench, we-know-better-than-the-Constitution justices for the next two decades.

#220: What some ignorant pastor says in the Quad Cities has no bearing on any of this.

224 abcdefg October 14, 2008 at 10:48 am

If Obama is irreligious, as I suspect that he and many other Democrats are anyway (the Clintons, for example), then… all the better. Now, there’s a chap I’d like to have a beer with. Not Bush or Dick.

I shall never understand or accept why Koreans believe in something as antiquated and unneccesary as Christianity. They must really like those cheesy three-chord Christian praise songs.

225 gbevers October 14, 2008 at 11:12 am

CMM (#219),

Robert does not ban people just because they support McCain, though I think some Obama supporters wish he would. The truth hurts sometimes.

226 KrZ October 14, 2008 at 11:51 am

I thought Robert was a hardcore Republican? Besides, I don’t think anyone was suggesting that wjk be banned for being a McCain supporter. The fact that he spams threads with semi-coherent rambling which is nearly impossible to decipher, not to mention frequent personal attacks, is probably what was being alluded to. Not that I can help myself from dropping flamebait when I see him around, he’s just too much fun to troll! So, I’m guilty too.

227 Linkd October 14, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Time now for a longer response, gbnhj:

Your taxes are going up. Period. No matter who wins, no matter what happens in the markets, no matter whether the sun rises tomorrow, this is guaranteed: Americans’ taxes are going to rise.

That’s the easy part.

Now, whose taxes are going to go up? That’s public policy, and it hasn’t been made yet. At root, everyone takes their after-tax income and divides it two ways: consumption and savings. What you spend on your mortgage, RRSP, 401K, registered education savings plan, life insurance, stocks and other investments and what you leave in the bank counts as savings. Everything else is consumption.

Most of the poor and middle class derive income from only one source – employment. It’s very easy to track, measure and tax. The tax deductions for such people are straightforward, and there are few loopholes that will reduce taxable income. Their salaries are very easy targets for tax increases, and also, most of them do not understand their tax forms anyway, so they just pay and don’t look hard enough for deductions.

Rich people gain income from investments as well as employment. They form their own small businesses and use their homes as offices. They buy a second property and rent it out. They own stock, they form limited partnerships with their brothers-in-law to build their grandmother a gazebo, and all these things involve abundant ways to reduce taxes, because they have made of themselves companies, which have a zillion ways to reduce taxes. In my case, for example, I am a company of one, and virtually every won I spend in Korea is recorded using my 현금영수증카드, and treated as a business expense, reducing tax on my personal income. For the government to go through my expenses and try to prove that such-and-such an expense is personal and not business would be too much work (an audit expense paid for by taxpayers, btw).

So, you’re right that there is always the danger that the government will take with one hand and give with the other, and that whether they shift the tax load around between corporations, rich people and the middle class may just be so much smoke and mirrors. But the way it’s set up now, middle class people in the US don’t save, they only consume, and taxes on their income mean they can consume less. They can actually reduce their tax load by acting like rich people and saving more, since saving (the broad definition of saving, above) gives them many more opportunities to avoid taxes.

In broad terms, Obama intends to go more after the savings of rich people and corporations to rebuild America’s public finances, while McCain intends more to go after the incomes of middle class people. Keep in mind that lots of corporations do not produce consumptions goods, so taxes on them would have a greater effect on their predominantly wealthy stockholders than on basic consumers. Also, the US is going into a recession, which will limit the ability of companies to raise their prices.

Sperwer- sorry to put words in the mouth of one so capable of speaking for himself. It was the heat of battle, and I never assumed you were being charmed by that cretin.

228 user-81 October 14, 2008 at 12:06 pm

wjk:
If Obama loses, it will be because of the Christians. The white Christians.

The most devout true Christian since the end of World War 2 was Carter and the Republicans despise him. I don’ think you understand how parts of the G.O.P. manipulates churchgoers like you turn on their own principles. You are doing the work of the devil by being led around by the nose by gossipmongers.

Not the hypocritical minority Christians, who say that advancing Christian policy is not important when they vote.

Which Christian policy are you promoting? Love thy neighbor or fawning to the rich? (Mark 12:38-44)

user-81, with all due respect, people usually go to “their” churches on Easter.
Not the one in a vacation resort.

People usually do? Show me in the Bible where it says “Thou shalt on the day of My resurrection attend the congregation to which thou usually goeth”.

I know a lot of good Christians and they go on vacation from during “Spring Break” and end up attending church in some unfamiliar surroundings on Easter. Since these other churches are also Christian it’s all good. You are focusing on such a minor point that is completely unimportant in order to make a conclusion you have no basis for.

BTWay, what talking points? I don’t read that crap. Everything comes from between my shoulders.

The “information” you use for your conclusions is being churned out by the same sources. You are too stupid to realize you are being led around by the nose.

If I vote for McCain it will be despite people like you not because of you.

Wedge:
Obama/Pelosi’s socialist agenda will bring us down to Europe’s level and snuff out the entrepreneurial and individual liberty-loving spirit that has made America great.

Which Obama policies? Unless you can be more specific you just sound like a (less frothing) version of wjk. ;)

229 user-81 October 14, 2008 at 12:11 pm

KrZ:
Not that I can help myself from dropping flamebait when I see him around, he’s just too much fun to troll! So, I’m guilty too.

I don’t think wjk should be banned but I don’t think anyone should complain about wjk’s frothing without complaining about KrZ also.

And I agree with wjk that if KrZ really did fake-post as wjk or another commenter then maybe KrZ has gone too far and deserves to be banned.

230 iheartblueballs October 14, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Obama/Pelosi’s socialist agenda will bring us down to Europe’s level and snuff out the entrepreneurial and individual liberty-loving spirit that has made America great.

This kind of paranoid scare-mongering reminds me of the tidal wave of conservative pundits, economists, and politicians who predicted the destruction of America early in Clinton’s first term when he raised taxes.

“The economy will tank! Job growth will die! Unemployment will skyrocket!”

22 million jobs, a $300 billion deficit turning into a $230 billion surplus, solid economic growth and eight straight years of unemployment decreases later, we all know how that ended. And it wasn’t with the destruction of entrepreneurs and liberty.

And here we are again: OH NOES! if Obama is elected, we’ll be the AmeroEuropean Union, your kids will be forced to speak French, and the Swedes will have veto power over American foreign policy. I sometimes wonder if you actually believe what you’re saying, or if you just like the fantasy of liberals destroying America so much that you repeat it ad nauseum out of habit.

231 Linkd October 14, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Obama/Pelosi’s socialist agenda will bring us down to Europe’s level and snuff out the entrepreneurial and individual liberty-loving spirit that has made America great.

Spread the Fear, wedge, spread the Fear. May you find the courage to embrace change. Even if you don’t, it’s already over; McCain abdicated the day he suspended his campaign. May as well face the future with the optimism and entrepreneurial spirit that still make America great.

232 Linkd October 14, 2008 at 12:17 pm

Ha! Pleased to find myself in such good company, blueballs.

233 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 14, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Linkd is confusing things.

Obama never said he’s taxing corps.

Obama said he’ll tax individuals making $250K plus.

Now, how do you enforce this, if these “individuals” hide behind their corps? Corps would give a lower rate.

Taxing corps would be a killer mistake.

Hoover all over again.

Obama, this guy, is saying he’ll extend Bush’s tax cuts to whoever he chooses.

Just remember, these tax cuts were opposed to begin with by Gore.

He can’t tax individuals making $250K with any efficiency. No one’s gonna file like that.

Not even big talking Warren Buffet.

Who pretends to give so much back to society.

He just bought a name for himself like Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, etc, did. That’s all. And he never gave cash. He set aside stock.

234 user-81 October 14, 2008 at 12:29 pm

McCain abdicated the day he suspended his campaign.

Three weeks is a long time in an election cycle. It’s the fourth quarter and McCain’s game plan is a bunch of hail mary passes but they might start connecting.

235 KrZ October 14, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Come on U81, I posted as wjk once just to see if there was a nick-collision filter, and, if there was one did it recognize identical graphemes with different UTF8 encodings. I didn’t say anything particularly offensive. I apologize to all for such clandestine experimentation ;)

236 user-81 October 14, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Come on KrZ you denied it at first and admitted only after you got caught. Fakeposting as another commenter here is not cool.

237 thekorean October 14, 2008 at 12:44 pm

@234,

I think those are called Sarah Palin passes now.

And oh, fuck you wjk @221 for wholesaling minority Christians. This minority Christian is following Matthew 5:9, and voting for Obama. Yes, advancing the words of the Bible is important for me, and I vote accordingly. Dipshit.

238 Linkd October 14, 2008 at 12:54 pm

Oops, all that tax-and-savings stuff was directed at gbevers (#207), not gbnhj.

239 WangKon936 October 14, 2008 at 2:17 pm

“Not the hypocritical minority Christians, who say that advancing Christian policy is not important when they vote. ‘Insert Korean Christian Americans in here.’”

There is another way of looking at this wjk. One can say that Korean American Christians have the refreshing attitude of not letting their religious beliefs cloud their political beliefs.

However, then there are always these instances which essentially prove you wrong.

http://www.netrj.org/resources/library/paperyuncho.htm

240 eujin October 14, 2008 at 3:11 pm

This is pretty gruesome stuff in New Zealand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4726017a6009.html

“A Nelson man calmly described how he had chopped a South Korean tourist’s head off with a spade, a murder depositions hearing in Greymouth was told today.”

241 Wedge October 14, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Linkd/Blueballs: It’s not fear, it’s history. When one party controls both the executive and legislative branches, we’re screwed. Clinton was good only because he had to work with Gingrich. Pelosi and Obama will reinforce each other’s socialist tendencies. Even the GOP, allegedly small-government party that they are, couldn’t resist feeding at the trough from 2000-2006.

I don’t want to see the Obama/Pelosi axis materialize. I want a McCain victory.

242 user-81 October 14, 2008 at 7:31 pm

When one party controls both the executive and legislative branches, we’re screwed.

So in 2000 you were hoping for a Gore victory but then in 2002, 2004 and 2006 you wanted the Democrats to take control of Congress?

243 Linkd October 14, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Instead of what I was going to write:

An Englishman, a Canadian and an American were captured by terrorists.

The terrorist leader said, “Before we shoot you, you will be allowed last words. Tell me what you will talk about.”

The Englishman replied, “I wish to speak of loyalty and service to the crown.”

The Canadian replied, “Since you are involved in a question of national purpose, national identity, and secession, I wish to talk about the history of constitutional process in Canada, special status, distinct society and uniqueness within diversity.”

The American replied, “Just shoot me before the Canadian starts talking.”

G’nite.

244 SomeguyinKorea October 14, 2008 at 10:47 pm

#243,

All right…Here’s an oldie but a goodie.

“This is an actual radio conversation between a United States Navy aircraft carrier (U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln) and Canadian authorities off the coast off Newfoundland in October 1995. (The radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on 10/10/95 as authorized by the Freedom of Information Act.)

CANADIANS:
Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

AMERICANS:
Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

CANADIANS:
Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

AMERICANS:
This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

CANADIANS:
No, I say again, you divert YOUR course.

AMERICANS:
This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln. The second largest ship in the United States Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers, and numerous support vessels. I demand that you change your course15 degrees north…
I say again…That’s one-five degrees north…. or counter-measures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship!

CANADIANS:
We are a lighthouse. Your call…”

245 dogbertt October 14, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Someone clue this fool in to Snopes!

246 KrZ October 14, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Surprised the OT is still alive. Interesting to see that Bush is going with equity stakes in the banks instead of just handing out cash. I’m very pleased with this turn of events;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122398468353632299.html

247 iheartblueballs October 15, 2008 at 12:00 am

This is an actual radio conversation between a United States Navy aircraft carrier (U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln) and Canadian authorities off the coast off Newfoundland in October 1995.

If by “actual radio conversation” you meant “completely fictional bullshit,” then yes, you are correct.

By all means though, keep posting this on every website you visit and forwarding this on to all your Canadian pals as “proof” of how stupid Americans are and how much simple common sense you hosers possess. Forget about the fact that it makes you look like a gullible dupe for believing such a ridiculous scenario in the first place.

Here’s another actual radio conversation between a United States Navy aircraft carrier and Canadian authorities in October 1995:

CANADIANS: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

AMERICANS: Recommend you deal with your fragile Canadian inferiority complex in another manner. Making up fake stories about supposed US military stupidity only highlights your insecurities and makes you appear to be petty, whiny bitches.

CANADIANS: You’re right.

248 KrZ October 15, 2008 at 12:06 am

SGiK posted that as a reply to a joke, saying, “All right…Here’s an oldie but a goodie.” The, “Actual conversation” was in quotations clearly indicating it was PART OF THE JOKE. lrn2readingcomprehension

249 gbevers October 15, 2008 at 12:12 am

Linkd,

There are many mistakes in your Economics lesson, but I am not going to waste my time pointing them out. Instead, I am going to focus on two big differences between McCain and Obama in regard to taxes.

First, Obama wants to keep the corporate tax rate at 35 percent. McCain wants to lower it to 25 percent.

Second, Obama wants to raise the dividend and capital gains tax to between 20 and 25 percent. McCain wants to keep it at 15 percent.

If you just look at the differences between the Obama and McCain tax plans, Obama’s plan means there will be 10% more in corporate taxes and between 5% and 10% percent more in capital gains taxes.

As I explained above, that 10 percent in corporate income tax will be passed on to consumers by way of higher prices, which means the poor and middle class will be paying a higher percent of that tax. For example, if that 10 percent difference added $2,000 to the price of a car, that would be about 6.6 percent of the annual salary of a person making $30,000 a year. However, it would be only 1 percent of the annual salary of a person making $200,000 a year. Therefore, the $30,000-salary consumer would essentially be paying a 6.6% tax while the $200,000 consumer would be paying only a 1% tax.

Not only rich people invest in stocks. Many middle-income people invest in stocks and mutual funds. Also, 401(k)’s are mainly stock investments. The 5% to 10% tax difference of Obama’s capital gains tax means that both the rich and middle-income investors will be taxed at the same percentages. The difference is that a 5% to 10% higher tax would most likely be a greater burden on someone making $30,000 a year than on someone making $200,000 a year since the $30,000-salary investor may depend on that money to buy food and clothing while the $200,000 investor may depend on it to take annual vacations to Europe.

A sales tax is another example of the poor and middle class subsidizing the lifestyles of the rich. An 8% sales tax on a $1,000 computer ($80) is more of a burden on a person making only $30,000 a year than on a person making $200,000 a year.

The middle class is getting screwed by sales taxes and the corporate income tax, and most of them do not even realize it. The rich, however, including Barack Obama, most likely do realize it, but would rather just keep it a secret because that corporate income tax is helping to keep their taxes low.

250 iheartblueballs October 15, 2008 at 12:25 am

SGiK posted that as a reply to a joke, saying, “All right…Here’s an oldie but a goodie.” The, “Actual conversation” was in quotations clearly indicating it was PART OF THE JOKE. lrn2readingcomprehension

One started off as “An Englishman, a Canadian, and an American…”, clearly a joke with the standard three-nationality setup.

The other started off as “This is an actual radio conversation” and then proceeded to quote specific dates, as well as a Freedom of Information Act citation, clearly indicating it was a real, funny anectdote.

Had the post said, This is an “actual” radio conversation, or said that it’s fake but funny or something of that nature, that would have indicated he knew it wasn’t real.

lrn2booklearnincomprehension

251 gbevers October 15, 2008 at 12:48 am

Correction: McCain just finished saying he would cut the capital gains tax to 7.5%.

252 gbevers October 15, 2008 at 1:00 am

McCain just gave a great speech.

253 bumfromkorea October 15, 2008 at 1:06 am

Aw, come on. You had to have heard that one before. I think there is a older version, except it’s a conversation between the ship’s captain and the guy manning the rudder.

254 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 15, 2008 at 1:40 am

thekorean, peace and love, peace and love,
Ringo Starr says peace and love, peace and love.
MEANS zero without you know what.
You are an amateur in your understanding of what you believe, and rightly so I say, rightly so, I say, rightly so I say, that you and your fellows overlook your faith for “greater concerns”. You guys ARE hypocrites.
I don’t care what snopes is. I don’t read it. Haven’t heard of it.
Bevers understands economics better than Canadian ‘McGill?’ University MBA, Linkd.
Don’t let your political nonsense muddy your brain. Makes McGill look washed down.
There won’t be a lot of peace love pre and post US presence in Iraq. There will be plenty on your couch.

255 KrZ October 15, 2008 at 2:02 am

“I don’t care what snopes is. I don’t read it. Haven’t heard of it.”

Snopes is a socialist conspiracy site, they’re debunking the truth!

256 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 15, 2008 at 2:03 am

by the way, I’m still unclear on whether or not Obama said to Reverend Wright,

the parallel of what theKorean said to me.

Don’t get me wrong.

I will NEVER, ever, ever be a clergyman.

Seems plausible enough, I haven’t seen or heard of a public separation of me and my pastor from a Presidential candidate, pretty much ever.

This is probably the 1st in US history, but people would rather watch Tina Fey on SNL, and vote based on that.

Obama will say anything.

257 alec931 October 15, 2008 at 2:09 am

@244 (Someguyinkorea):

You got owned. Do some research next time. ;)

258 Wedge October 15, 2008 at 7:58 am

#242: In 2000 I was hoping the GOP would be somehow different, but they proved to be the usual greedy politicians like anyone else.

As for GBevers excellent exposition on taxes, he misses the fact that America’s high corporate tax rate makes it a less attractive investment destination than anywhere else save Japan (all else being equal, which it isn’t of course). And a lower capital gains tax will attract money back to the stock market and create more jobs.

Lower corporate and capital gains taxes will help Obama’s poor people to get jobs and build self-esteem, rather than relying on Osama’s plan for ever more esteem-crushing government handouts under the guise of “tax credits.”

259 user-81 October 15, 2008 at 9:22 am

#242: In 2000 I was hoping the GOP would be somehow different, but they proved to be the usual greedy politicians like anyone else.

Thank you. How about 2002, 2004 and 2006?

260 SomeguyinKorea October 15, 2008 at 11:56 am

“Had the post said, This is an “actual” radio conversation, or said that it’s fake but funny or something of that nature, that would have indicated he knew it wasn’t real.”

Sheesh…While you’re at it, why don’t you argue that I thought it was a song since I said it was an ‘oldie but a goodie’?

261 NathanB October 16, 2008 at 4:42 am

Heh.

262 bumfromkorea October 16, 2008 at 10:54 am

Obama just bitch-slapped South Korea for the imbalance of automobile trade during the presidential debate… I guess that means wjk’s voting for McCain…

263 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 October 16, 2008 at 11:34 am

the truly retarded gyopo “elites” on gyopo tv and gyopo radio are saying Obama is the way to go.

they assume “Obama” will do this and do that.

what more do you actually need?

the man said again and again, what I’ve said he’s gonna say.

why get involved in this liberal angst for “regime change”, or the white-black, rich-poor class struggle? Hardly any of it applies to Koreans in America. We don’t preach “damn the whites” in our religious circles, nor are we screwed over by the American system of work and get rewarded.

Bobby Jindal is the most representative of who Korean Americans should aim for. Barack Obama is not.

264 iheartblueballs October 16, 2008 at 11:43 am

You swallowed a dumb urban legend. You’re not the first and won’t be the last. The fact that you’re so giddy to regale us with fictional stories of American stupidity hardly makes you unique among Canadians.

Heh.

Meh.

Bleh.

265 KrZ October 16, 2008 at 11:57 am

ITT: Butthurt Ameritards.

Us Canadians will be laughing when your economy has tanked and you are trying to jump our border like the Mexicans have been doing you for so long.

266 iheartblueballs October 16, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Of course you’ll be laughing! The US market accounts for 85% of all Canadian exports. A tanking US economy means fewer tourists going to Canada and a massive hit for Canadian exporters, which means a massive hit to the Canadian economy.

Apparently I’ve found the one Canadian that has no idea how dependent the Canadian economy is on America.

By all means though, keep laughing douchetard!

267 NathanB October 16, 2008 at 2:40 pm

With jokes about nations and nationals, I always find it’s best to laugh rather than get offended–and that goes for two or three very special commenters from both sides of the Can-US border.

By the way, I recommend “Being There”–I watched it again tonight, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

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