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by Dram_man on September 29, 2008

I excitedly went down to City Hall to see the spectacle unfurled once again. If anything the recent beef protests have taught us, Koreans take imported food safety seriously. I know this to be true because I was assured by even the protesters, it’s not an anti-American protest, it’s a protest for the safety of our children (sniff!).

Last week came news that Haitai’s cookies got contaminated with dangerous chemicals from China. Chemicals in things aimed exactly at where the worries were about the beef protests, aimed at the children (sniff!). I expected to see tens of thousands once again in Seoul’s streets demanding the government do more to protect the children (sniff!).

Did you see the tens of thousands there? Nope, me neither. Anybody still want to sell me on the idea that the protests were not protectionist or anti-American in origin?

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1 tambe September 29, 2008 at 10:17 am

Cause they know China will retaliate?

2 Yu Bum Suk September 29, 2008 at 10:37 am

I was thinking the same thing myself. You can be sure that if these products came from America the commies would be rallying the troops to ban all trading relations.

3 cmm September 29, 2008 at 10:41 am

dram man finds his spellchecker!

4 Siddhartha September 29, 2008 at 10:49 am

Beef protest has political motivation wheras this contaminated cookie does not.. Pro Chinese states including Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and even Taiwan (under pro-unification administraion) banned the Chinese food import..Was CCP government unhappy thus retaliate…No. I don’t think so. Hence, why Korea not reacting? Very simple..No motivation from the Korean lefist nor additional trade concessions from China. (remember the Chinese made Kimchi/cell phone hoopla) Cry for food saftey to protect the Children…sorry that is secondary issue next to the political and economical agenda.

5 Linkd September 29, 2008 at 10:54 am

I imagine in my cynical mind hundreds of cheap, filthy factories in China, hastily slapped up and staffed virtually overnight. They are owned by Korean ‘investors’, who came for one reason – cheap labor. The Chinese workers hate the Korean owners, the Korean owners despise their Chinese laborers. Labor-management relations are toxic, the Chinese know that dozens or hundreds of Korean business owners every month just leave China in the middle of the night, leaving behind unpaid bills, taxes and workers. They know that their own managers will drop them in a second for any excuse. Nothing is based on trust, relationship-building, or long-term thinking. No one, Korean or Chinese, believes that any Korean venture in China will last even for another year.

And those Chinese workers are making FOOD. Wrapped in Korean packaging, for export to Korea. I’m sure they’re taking every care to ensure quality and safety….

6 Sonagi September 29, 2008 at 10:55 am

I’m holding my breath waiting for some enterprising high school girls to start a petition at Agora.

7 HouseisGOD September 29, 2008 at 11:06 am

IMO for some reason Americans rant about the democrats and the gop about everything but when its foreign the divide between left and right disappears and everything is just “foreign”.

8 HouseisGOD September 29, 2008 at 11:10 am

Linkd has a point, most factories are foreign owned. GE for example pumps out 1/3 of China’s industrial output, not just exports either. 60% of all trade into and out of china is tied to foreign capital.

9 user-81 September 29, 2008 at 11:14 am

Nice try, Linkd. The anger against Koreans (which you seem to justify with your caricature) is the reason for the melamine problems? What blame-the-victim bullshit! How does that explain the same melamine problems with Chinese products around Asia, including in China where kids died?

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=melamine&c=

10 Dram_man September 29, 2008 at 11:15 am

HouseisGOD is certianly not following the post presidential career of Jimmy Carter.

11 user-81 September 29, 2008 at 11:16 am

I’m holding my breath waiting for some enterprising high school girls to start a petition at Agora.

Sonagi, maybe they need the help of an adult to give them guidance. Just like last time.

12 cmm September 29, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Oh come on, only about 80% of the processed food in Korea comes from China That’s negligible compared to the BSE we Americans pushed onto their children’s lunchtables.

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200809/200809260004.html (yes, recycled from the open thread)

13 sesame seed September 29, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Aw, come on.

It takes a couple of weeks for everyone in Korea to earn their PhD.’s in Melamine. THEN, it’s game on.

14 hardyandtiny September 29, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Denouncing the Chinese penis is too close for comfort.

15 bumfromkorea September 29, 2008 at 1:11 pm

@ linkd

um… wouldn’t the managers be technically responsible for the Melamine, since it sounds like the manufacturers planned it in order to fool the protein quota count (or something like that?).

16 Linkd September 29, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Did I not identify 3 victims?

1)Chinese workers, hundreds of thousands of whom have been thrown out of closed-down, inefficient government-run factories, forced out of their homes by urban development, forced into cities as collective farms are privatized, made migrant laborers in their own country, and generally, at the mercy of an economy developing so rapidly that its control systems have had no time to catch up with it.

2)Unworldly Korean investors, who never had a passport before, borrowing money and gambling everything on starting up a Chinese operation (smaller scale than Haitai, I mean). They went in assured they could hire 100 technicians for $10 a day and produce 10,000 cell phone batteries a week. They found that they could only find 30 technicians, who demanded $40 a day, and their plant could only produce 2,000 batteries a week.

3)Consumers of the output generated by this sad combination of unsatisfied capitalists and unsatisfied laborers. Who in Korea does not know someone who is trying to make their living by importing a few grand worth of cheap shoes or whatever from China and selling them on G-market? And do they not complain about the intense competition, because thousands of other Koreans are doing the same thing? So they switch from shoes to lamps, then toys, then whatever they can, in a race to the bottom that depends only on consumers unending appetite for cheap pieces of junk that they will throw away in a month, to be replaced with more junk.

PS- at no time did I imply that the Chinese would never cheat their own, even to the point of poisoning baby food. I worked for a Chinese company in Singapore for a year – nothing they do surprises me.
PPS- bum correctly identifies the reason for the melamine contamination. My #5 comment was a cynical imagining, as stated.

17 vince September 29, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Do you think the widely publicized photos of 이명박 President Lee, holding hands with the pathetically unsuccessful and internationally repugnant G.W. Bush at Camp David as he made his beef trade agreement had any affect on the protests?
Average Koreans rightly see the need to protest when they see their newly elected administration cuddling up with Cheney/Bush neocon garbage. It’s logical for anti-US sentiment to appear when US citizens empowers morons to lead their country. As an American, I’m ashamed of what our country has come to represent to the rest of the world. As a Californian, I’m proud some US states still maintain real world leadership despite what uneducated Christian haters (who seem to be the US majority) and their conspiring ruling class masters manage to force into law.

18 The Goat September 29, 2008 at 3:28 pm

@17

Was that a serious post? I really can’t tell…

19 Robert Koehler September 29, 2008 at 3:42 pm

#17: So, Mr. “Californian,” are you trying to say the protests really were about anti-Americanism after all?

#18: God, I hope not.

20 Andy Jackson September 29, 2008 at 3:47 pm

#17 Succeed brother. I think everyone would be happier.

21 Linkd September 29, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Nope, he meant it. Take it from someone who also has a hard time understanding just what the hell y’all were thinking (but who has a somewhat better way of trying to talk you out of shoving your heads back into the same toilet – er…I mean…hey! Andy, don’t you mean ‘secede’?)

22 kerplunk September 29, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Whether we have street protests in Korea or not is not really the main issue here, for poor monitoring capacity, a lack of consumer protection watchdogs, and strong regional government protectionism have long been the causes of poor regulation of safety in the Chinese food industry. Increasing safety problems with food exports, from bans by the European Union (EU) and Japan to the pet food scare in the United States, together with the recent dairy additive problem, have brought the global spotlight to bear on these deficiencies and catalyzing crackdowns and new laws within China.

Few people realize that despite having the largest (Do we count India as larger yet?) population, China is one of the globe’s leading exporters of food products, and its total food exports reached $246.35 billion in 2005, nearly 8 times the $31.29 billion it exported in 1980. And an increasing percentage of these exports is made up of food preservatives or ingredients (ie, wheat gluten, lactic acid, ascorbic acid), with the United States a significant market. In 2000, 82,000 shipments of food products and ingredients were exported to the United States from China, climbing to 199,000 shipments in 2006. U.S. Food and Drug Administration officials estimate such food shipments from China reached 300,000 in 2007. The US receives twice as many food shipments from China than it does from any other nation in the world, and the FDA’s rejection rate of Chinese food imports—mainly due to veterinary drug residues or contamination—is much higher than those from its other trading partners.

Continuing safety problems with China’s food exports prompted stricter inspection standards in many nations, such as Japan’s dramatic increasing of its technical standards for the import of food products from China in 2002, increasing the number of inspection criteria for vegetables from 6 to 40. Tokyo’s regulators have also come up with 40 new criteria for poultry products, 80 for fruit juice, and 91 for rice from China alone. In 2002, the EU blocked completely the import of many Chinese animal products, which involved 94 Chinese firms and led to $623 million in losses for China’s exporters. For example, EU food regulators banned Chinese lobsters and shrimp after they tested positive for chloramphenicol, a source of aplastic anemia and a potent antibiotic. The EU also increased its honey import standards in the same year. These bans decreased Chinese poultry, livestock, and honey exports by 32.9, 4.1, and 16.7 percent, respectively, according to government statistics. EU bans on animal products were eased off in 2004 after China visibly improved its veterinary standards, but bans on fish have since re-emerged. For example, in October 2006, Taiwan banned the import of mitten or hairy crabs from China because of traces of carcinogens, Wal-Mart removed Chinese catfish from its American stores in April 2007 due to antibiotic contamination, and Russia’s federal agricultural products inspection agency banned fish from China in June 2007.

China’s meat, fish, and poultry exports continue to be the focus of bans from European, U.S., and Japanese food regulators. However, after the April 2007 melamine-tainted dog food scandal in the United States, the issue of toxic food additives in Chinese exports gained global attention. While international concerns about Chinese food exports are now at their highest, domestically the problem of food safety is even more serious, and represents a growing and significant threat to the health of Chinese consumers, and the power base of the ruling elite. Reflecting the gradual trend towards greater information transparency in China, Chinese news media and central government agencies have been releasing more reports on the growing food contamination problems. I think we all know where this is heading.

23 Dram_man September 29, 2008 at 4:37 pm

#17 While I do not agree with the substance of your post, your logic is somewhat my point. If Korea does disagree with US trade policy, just say so. Do not insult my intellegence with lies like “food saftey” or “for the children (sniff!)”. l

24 Linkd September 29, 2008 at 4:49 pm

I think that vince made it abundantly clear that he fully agrees with your thesis that the protest were anti-American in nature, Dram_man.

25 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 September 29, 2008 at 4:54 pm

i’m glad the gyopo votes won’t mean a damn in terms of electoral votes in any Presidential election.

these gyopos are too stupid to vote right.

stop going to your local church. You’re a hypocrite.

don’t cheer for Korea. You drive Jap cars and are eager to kill off KOR-US FTA. Go eat shit.

26 Dram_man September 29, 2008 at 4:56 pm

#24 And that granted, why must I me insulted by such ribald lies from Koreans? The while thing makes me frustrated.

27 Linkd September 29, 2008 at 5:06 pm

vince’s free talking classes must be a lot of fun

28 cmm September 29, 2008 at 5:42 pm

@25

wjk, you bitch about gyopos favoring obama a lot. Gyopos are Americans, right? Then, they should be voting for what is the best for their country, America, not for the country of their ancestors. My family and I certainly don’t vote according to which candidate has a better relationship with Germany, where most of our heritage is from. If the Korean Americans vote for the best candidate for America, and not for Korea, they are simply being good American citizens. If they vote according to what is best for their blood brothers, well, they don’t really get what being an American citizen is. There are much more important things at stake in this election than whether Korean automakers can sell more cars in the USA (FTA), please see this. Not sure if you are an American citizen or not, but don’t you get this? Robert Kim didn’t get it either.

You were right when you said, “don’t cheer for Korea.” They shouldn’t if they were born American or took the Oath.

I was having dinner with my previous boss a few weeks ago and we were talking about the election. He (a well educated Korean who has spent several years in the USA) told me that even if Obama loses the election, it has been a step forward for the American people to nominate a minority as one of the two main party’s presidential candidate. Thus, a win for Obama is an advance for the status minorities in the USA (including gyopo Americans, even those who are race-traitors enough not to drive hyundai).

29 Bipolar Mindscrew September 29, 2008 at 9:52 pm

15/bumfromkorea – I was watching KBS News with the girl the other night and they were interviewing a Chinese factory owner who claimed it was a conspiracy, that they were all putting “extras” into the food products and he refused to go along with their evil plan and now his life was in danger… at first I thought it was BS. Fooling the protein count makes some sense now…

30 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 September 30, 2008 at 7:38 am

Democrats just defeated the bailout.

This, THIS, is what is best for America?

If you even care about the world economy, cleanse out the House and Senate and vote in the Elephants, as while as the US Presidency.

these idiots are lawyers from third tier schools, ignorant of all financial matters.

31 KrZ September 30, 2008 at 8:05 am

Yes, it is what’s best for America. We should allow the free market to operate when it’s carrying us into a housing bubble but not allow correction when the bubble bursts? Economic socialism is ineffective and ultimately detrimental. We need a good, solid correction.

32 user-81 September 30, 2008 at 8:40 am

wjk:
Democrats just defeated the bailout.

Nearly 60 percent of Democrats voted for the bill, and about a third of Republicans supported it.

While thanking Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson for negotiating on the bill, Pelosi said on the House floor that the Democrats had insisted that the bill “protect the American people and Main Street from the meltdown on Wall Street.”

Pelosi also said the cost of the bailout “is a number that is staggering but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration’s failed economic policies — policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision and no discipline in the system.”

After the vote, Boehner said, “Americans are angry, and so are my colleagues. They don’t want to have to vote for a bill like this, and I understand that.”

“I think that we need to renew our efforts to find a solution that Congress can support. I do believe that we could have gotten there today had it not been for this partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House,” he said.

But Democrats dismissed the Republican complaints, saying the Republican leadership failed to persuade their members to support the bill.

“They lost 2-1 on their own side, voting against their president, their presidential candidate and against every leader in their own party,” one Democratic source said.

Pelosi said the Democrats lived up their side of the bargain.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/bailout.fallout/index.html

33 thekorean September 30, 2008 at 8:44 am

user-81 @32,

I thought about pointing out the same thing, but I realized that I would be talking to wjk.

34 user-81 September 30, 2008 at 9:27 am

thekorean:
I thought about pointing out the same thing, but I realized that I would be talking to wjk.

Maybe Fox News mislabeled the Republicans as Democrats again.

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