Mongolia: Where Hello Kitty Fears to Tread

by Robert Koehler on September 25, 2008

Tim Wu had always wanted to visit Mongolia, and finally, he got his wish.

Then he wrote about it in Slate. In a three-part series, no less.

As it would turn out, Tim liked the whole rough-and-tumble, cowboy-esque aspect of the Land of the Great Blue Sky. He also found it the perfect antidote to the cultural emasculation of Asian manhood:

Since we’re talking about cowboys, I can’t close this entry without tackling a somewhat sensitive topic: Asian manhood. There is a widely held stereotype that, samurais and Bruce Lee aside, East Asian men are not particularly masculine. I hate to admit it, but as with many stereotypes, there’s some truth to this. Take my native Taiwan: Good food? Yes. Friendly? Yes. Macho? Not at all. Many Taiwanese men consider it perfectly normal to fill their cars with stuffed animals. More broadly, male pop stars across East Asia have a disturbing tendency to look exactly like the teenage girls who are their biggest fans.

Please don’t get angry about this. It’s true that Western popular culture tends to emasculate Asian men. I am also aware that cultural ideals of manhood vary, and that Taiwanese men are more likely to express their masculinity in other ways, like collecting tea pots or chewing on betel nuts. But rough and tough they aren’t. And some of this gives Asian men outside Asia something of a complex.

The antidote to any idea that this might be a racial, as opposed to cultural, trait is a trip to Mongolia. Mongolian men in the countryside spend their time riding horses, killing animals, and breaking firewood. They tend to hold their face in a fixed grimace. At times, it is like a country of Daniel Craig impersonators. Along with parts of Latin America, it’s probably the most macho place I’ve ever been. And so, my Asian brothers, if you ever want to know what the extremes of Eastern manhood look like, forget about Jet Li or even Bruce Lee. It’s Mongolia where Asia gets tough.

For those residing in Korea who want to verify this without heading all the way to Mongolia, drop by Little Mongolia near what used to be Dongdaemun Stadium on a weekend (or, during the week, your local construction site) — hundreds of Mongolian men, and not a single neck among them. Lovely folk when sober, but the last people you’d want to get into a bar fight with — I’ve had even Russians warn me that Mongolians are dangerous drunks. Tough, tough mofos, they are — check out their gangsta rap.

(HT to Tom Coyner)

{ 17 comments… read them below or add one }

1 LAKalbi September 25, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Must be all that fermented horse semen.

2 NetizenKim September 25, 2008 at 11:08 pm

I believe it was your wife who once said “we didn’t build walls…we made other people build walls”.

3 lupin_the_4th September 25, 2008 at 11:33 pm

“we didn’t build walls…we made other people build walls”

Now THAT is awesome!

4 dogbertt September 25, 2008 at 11:57 pm

Agree that the Mongolians are the habaneros of macho amongst East Asians.

Robert, how did you manage to steal one of their women and get away unscathed?

5 luke drift September 26, 2008 at 12:10 am

I gotta second the article’s and RJ’s take on Mongolian Machismo. Spent a few weeks in Mongolia in 2005, and was witness to (and almost a party to, through no fault of my own) a few drunken punchups in bars. Bars and drinking are one thing, of course, and seeing a few fistfights isn’t irrefutable evidence of anything, but I’d definitely observed a generalised gruffness, if not dourness of manner in the men. (Heck, and more than a few of the women as well for that matter).
My dimestore explanation is that Mongolians are culturally a lot closer to Eastern Europeans than they are to East Asians, and many I’d spoken to had said as much to me. In other words, if the stereotypical Mongolian dude is what you’re after just throw one together from the set of associations you might ascribe to the Russian/slavic one…

I can’t wait to go back, btw. The place is absolutely stunning, and being somewhat Korean myself I quite like gruff, friendly, and at times obnoxious people. And one guy I drank vodka with promised to take me out wolf-hunting.

6 CactusMcHarris September 26, 2008 at 12:12 am

Robert,

As the source for nearly all of my Mongolian news, my thanks for posting this.

‘…a country of Daniel Craig impersonators.’ nearly made me incontinent with howling – the whole image of a nation of such grimaces and yurts was most howl-inspiring.

And, for the record, I like DC as the new Bond, and you can take that downtown and print it.

7 CactusMcHarris September 26, 2008 at 12:50 am

Correction #6 – ‘ger’ rather than yurt

8 hardyandtiny September 26, 2008 at 5:55 am

“Mongolian men in the countryside spend their time riding horses, killing animals, and breaking firewood…..Along with parts of Latin America, it’s probably the most macho place I’ve ever been.”

haha…”some might say”, palzy!

9 WangKon936 September 26, 2008 at 7:08 am

This Tim Wu guys sounds like a full time Asian American wussy.

Seriously, there are just too many Asian American guys out there who just lay prostrate and let American society castrate them.

It’s pathetic.

Hey Tim… why don’t you grow a pair, eh?

10 Pyotr September 26, 2008 at 11:07 am

As Ghengis Khan said:

“The greatest pleasure in life is to defeat your enemies, to chase them before you, to take their treasure, to see the tears of their beloved ones, to mount their horses and to use their wives and daughters as blankets.”

11 KrZ September 26, 2008 at 11:20 am

I don’t think Ghengis Khan really said that. A lot of the stuff the Muslim’s wrote about him during that era were essentially anti-Mongol propaganda. Not that he would have discourage such misquotation, knowing the value of such rumors as he did.

12 Linkd September 26, 2008 at 11:33 am

Famous quotes from “Conan the Barbarian”

Mongol General: Hao! Dai ye! We won again! This is good, but what is best in life?
Mongol: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
Mongol General: Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.
Mongol General: That is good! That is good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082198/quotes

13 Robert Koehler September 26, 2008 at 11:40 am

Besides, everyone knows it was really said by Arnold Schwarzenegger:

http://80sfilms.blogspot.com/2007/02/to-crush-your-enemies-to-see-them.html

14 KrZ September 26, 2008 at 11:45 am

12. Did you read Ghengis Khan and the Making of the Modern World? I’ve read this so many times I should be able to recite it verbatim.

15 hitest September 26, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Well a better challenge might be, to find a country whose men make the average Korean male look macho in comparison ;)

16 LAKalbi September 26, 2008 at 4:29 pm

Thats easy, Canada.
What do I win?

17 hitest September 29, 2008 at 2:10 pm

LAKalbi.. ( sorry for the untimely response…computer at home is sick)

…humm, how about a game of hockey, you can choose your position, (or lacrose/perhaps rugby for that matter if you can’t skate)…hey or a cross country hiking trip through the Rockies ( got to carry your own gear/beer), or perhaps a three day ice fishing trip mid-December in Iqaluit, may by hike the Pangertung pass while you are at it, a white-water rafting trip down the Kicking Horse River during flood season, perhaps mountain biking down the black diamond ski runs in Whistler during off season ?

What’s your poison ? Tell you what, try shopping at Wal-Mart when the EI and welfare checks are issued…wear eye protection though ;)

Perhaps you would prefer to out drink a Caper then hit on his girlfriend at the Margaree Music Festival…may be “out smoke” anyone from the BC interior and try to find your way back to your hotel room…insult an Albertain about his horse, truck or politics…

Where are you from and where have you lived in Canada ( Quebec doesn’t count :D )

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