The Hankook Ilbo looks at the growing number of Korean women with barbarian boyfriends (see also here, in case the Naver link doesn’t work).
“They don’t have biases that women should be like this or that, like Korean men. And they say ‘I love you’ several times even in a single day…”
So said 26-year-old Miss Han, who has been dating for a year a Hungarian dude she met as an exchange student in Spain. In August, she came back to Korea, and her boyfriend is coming next month. “Because of me, he said he’d come to Korea to teach English. Marriage. Well, I don’t know.”
Then there is 23-year-old Miss Jang, who still can’t forget her six-month romance with a Turkish dude when she was studying English in Australia. “I told my boyfriend how I got in trouble because of my nail polish at my part-time job. I nodded off, and when I awoke, he had taken off my nail polish. Korean men aren’t this attentive.”
Among young women, getting a foreign boyfriend is all the rage. There are many reasons — foreign men aren’t patriarchal, they frankly express affection, they have an exotic charm, and they don’t come with the burden of marriage.
Internet communities of people swapping foreign boyfriend/girlfriend stories or people looking for foreign boyfriends/girlfriends are skyrocketing. There are dozens of such sites, with communities ranging from 500 to 5,000 members.
Even taking into account cross pollination, the number of people with foreign lovers is something like 20,000—30,000. And the thing that’s striking is most of the members are women. One cafe with over 3,000 visitors a day, the “People lost in love with a foreigner,” is open only to women, and has over 400 members.
The administrator of another cafe said most of the couple cafe members are women in their 20s; only about 10% are men. He/she added that most of the women who dated foreigners while overseas find new foreign boyfriends even after they return to Korea.
Once you’ve got barbarian, you can never go back, apparently.
Why is it that of members of websites looking for foreign boyfriends/girlfriends, there are nine times as many women as men? Well, the women say the reason for this disparity is that women have more advantages in international relationships. Miss Han said, “If I were a short skirt, a Korean boyfriend would be mean and say, ‘Is that all you’re wearing? Dress decently.” But a foreign boyfriend would respect my individuality.”
Miss Jang, too, said, “Korean men are self-conscience and don’t say, ‘I love you’ or ‘You’re pretty.’ But my Turkish boyfriend was very frank in his expressions of affection, even with other people watching.” This is to say unlike Korean men, who are still patriarchal and authoritarian, foreign men are open, attentive and romantic, making them comfortable dating partners.
31-year-old Miss Choe, who dated a foreigner for three years, said, “Now, I’m dating a Korean who lived a long time overseas. I started dating him since I got a similar feeling with him that I did when I dated the foreigner, who was open in everything and spent money liberally.”
At a time when the number of women living single is increasing greatly, another advantage to the foreign boyfriend is that you can break up in “cool” fashion if things don’t work out. 26-year-old Miss Kim, who has twice dated foreign men, said, “Foreign men almost never talk of marriage… In my position, where I still need a lover more than a husband, a foreign boyfriend is better than a Korean one.”
Of course, not everything about dating a foreigner is so great. Things have opened up a lot, but still, the stares of average, closed-minded Koreans can be quite burdensome.
Said Miss Han, “I braced myself for it from when I started dating my foreign boyfriend, but I still cannot help but notice the hot stares around us… This is why we usually date in Itaewon or around Hongik University.”
There’s also criticism that these women, who count as an advantage that foreign men aren’t biased, are in fact themselves racially biased. This is because most of the men they date are white.
Kim Yu-eun, a professor at Hanyang University’s School of International Studies, said, “Getting foreign boyfriends is a natural phenomenon resulting from the expansion of international exchanges, but when dating, there’s a tendency to be predjudiced in terms of race or nationality… This point, too, must be improved along with social biases about foreign lovers.”
Marmot’s Note: Let the comments begin.
MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE
Asia Today has a piece on the netizen response to the piece above.
It ain’t pretty.
Apparently, the male netizens at Nate are getting a tad excited. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t bother translating them, but hey, it’s fun.
One netizen by the ID of “Busan Cheongnyeon” said, “You date foreigners, so why do marry Korean men?” Another guy with the ID of “Dilleon” wrote, “Are Korean men some kind of chumps? Why don’t you marry the foreign guys, too.” Later, he confessed, “I heard they call Korean women KFC (Korea Fucking Country) in Australia.”
A netizen by the name of “meplusu” said, “One French teacher wrote on his blog that it took a month for him to seduce a Chinese woman, a week to seduce a Japanese woman and just a day to seduce a Korean woman,” pointing out how well-disposed Korean women were to foreign men.
Another netizen by the ID of “Byakuya” said that if he starts dating a woman who has returned from study overseas, he would have to seriously ask her whether she’d dated a foreigner. Another one with the rather ironic ID of “progressive04″ said he could never date a woman who has dated a foreign man.
On the other hand, a netizen with the ID of “dearloser” called these netizens out, asking whether they’d turn down a night with a foreign girl who’d come to Korea to study, pointing out Korean men’s self-centeredness.
Another netizen pointed out that there are couples who are really in love and those who aren’t, so they weren’t really different from Korean-Korean couples. Another said Korean women don’t just date anyone because he’s a foreigner.
Marmot’s Note: Not to read too much into online comments on a trash piece, but they certainly do bring to mind Hong Sang-soo’s 2007 film “Woman on the Beach,” in which “Byakuya”’s and “progressive04″’s issues are examined.
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The Naver piece has over 400 comments. Not all that many, actually.
Perhaps Korean men can learn something from this alarming trend.
But then again I smoke crack and have no hold on reality.
To a certain long-winded blogger who may wish to participate: have at ‘er – I’ll stay out of this one.
I’m not sure this is all that new. The points mentioned in the article were generally true when I first lived in Korea in 1987-89.
I don’t know which part of that quote that I am laughing at, but all I know is that I’m rolling on the floor laughing… and mysteriously typing coherently as well.
Maybe it’s just a difference in availability (due to larger foreigner population in Korea now than in 1987). More visibility –> here’s a news article!
“If I were a short skirt, a Korean boyfriend would be mean and say, ‘Is that all you’re wearing? Dress decently.” But a foreign boyfriend would respect my individuality.”
Sure he would…and your legs too.
the nail polish thing is just plain weird. I stopped reading after that because I knew there would be more weird comments from weird Korean girls with whitey fetishes.
# 8,
Proof positive that some girls are just stoooopid.
surprised they didn’t include the real reason
I read somewhere something once where a Korean woman was explaining how she fell in love with her white American husband. The guy had said to her “I like kimchi”. She said, “well that clinched it.”
Another Korean woman was explaining why she would never leave her white husband. “It’s too much trouble to have to train another one.”
Here, stateside, I’m noticing more and more Asian women insisting that you “not have an “Asian fetish.” However, these same ladies almost exclusively prefer white guys.
I smell a 500+ posting coming here.
““If I were a short skirt, a Korean boyfriend would be mean and say, ‘Is that all you’re wearing? Dress decently.” But a foreign boyfriend would respect my individuality.” ”
Of course. And the foreign boyfriend with a big smile, will say wear it shorter honey.
According to Asian nation web site, Korean American women have the highest interracial marriage ratio. For 1.5 generation Korean American women, only 22.5% marry Korean husbands vs. 60.8% marry white:
http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial2.shtml
In comparison, for the same category (1.5 generation Asian Americans), 58.2% of Vietnamese women marry Vietnamese husbands, 50.9% of Japanese women marry Japanese husbands, and 44.5% of Chinese women marry Chinese husbands.
Given the chance to do so, I doubt Korean men would pass the chance to enjoy sexual relationships with non-Korean women, unburdened by marriage or child birth.
As for “why”, it’s a historical pattern for women to marry up the socio-economic ladder. In a world dominated by the west and western media, choosing a western mate is a natural selection via eugenics. Going the other direction is dysgenic, which is why most Korean American women marry white, fewer marry Koreans & other Asians, and very few would marry blacks and Hispanics.
Hey, look at that! Netizen Bluejives magically read something somewhere that just happens to paint Korean women and White men that pursue inter-racial relationships as shallow, and those “quotes” also mysteriously conform to his own insecurities and prejudices. That’s an amayjing coincidence!
Come to think of it, I also recall reading or hearing or overhearing something that someone once may or may not have said…let’s see if I can make something up…I mean remember what it was:
I read somewhere something once where a Korean man was explaining how he fell in love with his Korean wife. The woman had said to him “I won’t call the police when you slap me around”. He said, “well that clinched it.”
Another Korean man was explaining why he would never leave his Korean wife. “It’s too much trouble to find another one that enjoys tiny genitalia.”
For the record, contrary to blueball’s guesswork, I didn’t make that up.
That one about the kimchi remark was memorable because it really cracked me up. I can’t imagine going to, say, Russia, and saying to a Russian girl, “I like borsch” and seeing her respond with anything other than “Ok…so what?” But then again, who knows?
I once had a Korean friend that was 100% addicted to the room salons and cocktail bars that featured Russian girls. He liked the White and had at least one Russian girlfriend that I know of.
While drinking together one night in an expat bar, he became agitated and wanted to leave. So we did. I asked him what the problem was and he confessed that seeing so many Korean girls with foreigners made him angry. I pointed out to him that he’d been with more White Russian girls than Rasputin. He looked a little confused for a second as he pondered his hypocrisy but his only response was “I don’t care, I still hate to see Korean women with foreigners”.
Me being a foreigner myself, we weren’t drinking buddies much after that night. In Korea, what’s good for the gander is not good for the goose. Despite it’s economy, infrastructure and standard of living, Korea is still socially a backwards country.
# 13,
I call BS on those stats… I just don’t see that much out marriage rates. On a less scientific note, I continue to see more Korean chicks than Korean guys at a lot of the clubs in ktown… Or at least I did two years ago when I frequented them.
# 15,
It always amazes me that it’s the white males that always gets on their soap box to talk about how big their dicks are compared to Asians, but those that have the biggest dicks (if we believe the statistics), blacks, talk the least about it. It leads me to believe that there is more than empirical data here at work (i.e. brittle egos of white guys who have lost the status they enjoyed as the dominate social/political group of their home country)…
# 17,
It is true that mindsets haven’t caught-up with the economy and technology. Ever hear the expression that you can take the n*gga out of the ghetto, but you can’t take the ghetto out of the n*gga?
Same with Koreans in Korea. Koreans are smart enough to understand technology and economics, but it’s only been 40 some odd years since they have been removed from a highly neo-confucianistic, monolithic society. It’s still a living memory and if the new generation doesn’t know it directly, their parents, who raised them, do.
I’d give it another two generations or so for Korean society to reach the neo-liberalism that most Western states at this point take for granted.
… okay, maybe three or four more generations…
I also recall another story where this Korean woman was married to a white man and she was excited about the prospects of having a “beautiful mixed baby with blue eyes.” Unfortunately for the mother, her daughter was born with brown eyes instead.
I almost feel sorry for the Mr. Kims. Almost.
But one can’t quibble with cosmic justice.
Blowback. Is it inevitable? Undercover news teams descend upon Hongdae.
I blame the biased observation. When I go to Mill Ave., I only see girls as well.
Well, that’s what happens when the material advancement has a gigantic growth spike while the social advancement rate stays at average speed. Going from “Kill the Barbarians!” to “Don’t sleep with our women!” in less than a century is a pretty good advancement, I think. But maybe the Koreans should be flattered that you have such a high expectations for them.
The sooner that Asian men recognize the fact that he is discriminated against in the mating game, instead of trying to avoid the fact (such as avoiding expat bars), the healthier his mental health will be.
There are several ways to deal with this. You can work hard to increase your sexual market value. That is, learn and improve your personality, appearance, dress, speech, education, earnings, dating/seduction skills, etc. and fight over a small pool of attractive single women in their area.
Or, you can learn from white men on what makes them more attractive, and return to your native country (Korea, Japan, etc) where you might be considered a prized catch by the local girls, or at least have a wide selection of attractive single women to choose from.
Or, you can do nothing and just go to a country where you automatically enjoy higher socio-economic status, such as Philippines and Thailand, where pretty girls are plentiful and some will come after you.
Or, you can stay home, be angry at all the white guys taking your women, and blog about it on the internet. Your choice.
Good read:
http://truthfulinsights.blogsp.....chive.html
I don’t want to wade into an idiotic discussion of pop-psychology, but since when have white males been displaced as America’s “dominate social/political group”? Last I checked that’s still some time off yet…
Or in this discussion is it just that “Who has the biggest dick?” = “dominate social/political group”? In which case I should give up my dreams of world domination, what with my ridiculously average mutton sword.
I don’t want to wade into an idiotic discussion of pop-psychology, but since when have white males been displaced as America’s “dominate” social/political group? Last I checked that’s still some time off yet…
Or in this discussion is it just that “Who has the biggest dick?” = “dominant social/political group”? In which case I should give up my dreams of world domination, what with my ridiculously average mutton sword.
Corpy,
I wasn’t really talking about America specifically…
#17
Well, I don’t know about your erstwhile drinking buddy personally but he is an honest guy. And if I were him, I’d feel the same way. Why? Here in the US, Asian women dating white guys usually goes hand-in-hand with Asian male bashing. Basically, a lot of Asian women talk a lot of shit about Asian men. White guys are usually no better, #15 being a perfect example. So for me, if I see an Asian woman with a white guy, my gut reaction is she’s an Asian man hater. Whether that is true or not, whether it is rational or not, it is what it is because that is how I was conditioned. Also, I hardly think I’m alone.
But aside from that, I’m happy for you white guys. Having a foreign boyfriend is a “cool, fashionable” thing for Korean women. Good for you guys!
Personally, I don’t think it takes a lot of guts for white guy to approach a Korean women because they really make it too easy for you guys. An Asian guy approaching non-Asian women has to have much a bigger set of balls.
I suppose I expected too much of Wangkon in asking him to differentiate between a soap box bragging about cock size, and a satirical counter-punch at Bluejives’ penchant for making up silly anectdotes about WM/KF relationships portraying them as shallow, and then passing them off as the norm. Above his pay grade apparently. In fact, it leads me to believe there’s more at work here (brittle egos of gyopos eager to jump at any mention of dick size and attribute it to brittle white male egos).
Bluejives has a long history of denigrating Korean women that date white men as shameless whores or psychologically damaged idiots. He regularly posts links from redneck neanderthal Fred Reed, who believes that interracial relationships can never be “true” love, supporting jives’ pet theory. For some reason jives loves Reed’s stand on multiculturalism as well, which is that it is a failure and that people of different races can never get along and are destined to kill each other. Apparently jives is unaware that if Fred Reed had his way, he and his whole family would never have set foot on American soil in the first place.
And I now also recall another story where this Korean man was married to a Korean woman and he was excited about the prospects of having a “beautiful pure-blooded Korean baby with black eyes.” Unfortunately for the father, his daughter was born with big green eyes, curly hair, and pale skin instead. His wife’s affair wasn’t true love though, it was just a white cock invading the bloodline.
Hilarious. You think that it’s Korean women making it easy for white guys, when in fact it’s the average 15th century mindset of Korean men that drives the women away in the first place, and right into whitey’s arms. It’s Korean men making it easy for white guys, not Korean women. And please, on behalf of white guys everywhere, keep up the good work!
See above. You lot just keep digging your own graves, and then pat yourselves on the back for the “big balls” it takes to dig yourself out…classic.
“brittle egos of gyopos eager to jump at any mention of dick size and attribute it to brittle white male egos”
Uh… no.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/.....ent-112264
But seriously… isn’t anyone curious as to why dick bragging seems to be the exclusive MO of stupid white guys rather than comparable black, arab or latin men?
Oh, btw… total off topic, but Arabs have larger eyes on average than whites.
Yes, only stupid white guys. You are correct.
Of course that means you have to pretend that you didn’t see this thread a mere 10 days ago, in which we got these 2 gems from an actual Korean news site, and not some random commenters:
and
A well-known myth, or as you like to call it “dick bragging”, written as fact.
Wait…let me guess…it was written by a stupid white guy, right Wangkon?
Grab a dictionary and look up the word exclusive to avoid such embarrassments in the future.
But seriously… isn’t anyone curious as to why dick bragging seems to be the exclusive MO of stupid white guys
Because black guys have been doing it to white guys for years now. There is nothing that blueballs says that is original, from the references to dick size to the crack about the Korean baby being born with green eyes and curly hair. It’s all stolen from the black guy’s playbook. White guys like to play the role of the “Asian man’s nigger”. Fortunately for them, the Asian man isn’t about to be like the white man from oh say circa 1955 Jim Crow south.
Jesus Christ, Wangkon and bluejives are apparently 12-year old girls. They’ve never seen a Korean guy clench his fist and grab his forearm to signify dick size.
Never heard a black guy talk about the Alabama black snake and tap his thigh just above the knee to signify dick size.
Never heard every guy of every race and ethnicity talk shit about dick size in the locker room or in the basement or in the Dairy Queen parking lot.
Nope, apparently the only people on earth to ever talk about dick size are stupid white guys according to tweedle dum and tweedle dummer.
Are you two really this stupid, or have you just never had any male friends, seen any teen sex comedies, been on a sports team of any kind, or have any reference whatsoever for the amount of time stupid guys of all shapes, sizes, and colors spend talking about their dicks?
I had no idea ignorance of this level was even possible among men who possess both a penis and at least one male friend. Next you’ll tell me that bragging about how many women a guy has fucked is also the exlusive domain of stupid white guys.
Oh, those stupid white guys. They’re so fucking stupid and their stupidity is exclusive only to them. Man, they are some really stupid, really white, really stupid motherfuckers.
Embarrassing.
You think this thread is stupid?
Try this on for size (no pun intended):
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.co.....ls/?cp=280
5,000 freak’in comments… but it got old after 500 or so.
You think this thread is stupid?
Try this on for size (no pun intended):
5,000 freak’in comments… but things get old and repetitive after after comment 800 or so.
Indeed they don’t if they’re under 30. Plenty of white cougars roaming the streets of Seoul.
No, I don’t. I think your repeated assertion that cock braggadocio is the exlusive domain of stupid white guys is stupid.
Not exclusive… just disproportionate.
But in all reality, it’s just a matter of opinion and from your point of view. I’m in the U.S. looking out… I’m sure you were once in Korea looking in…
“white guys are stupid!” “white guys are not stupid!”
What happened to claims of Korean stupidity? Am I at the right place?
@40
thekorean: “What happened to claims of Korean stupidity? Am I at the right place?”
Wrong. I think you are looking for Occidentalism
I really don’t care about who is fucking who. I care even less about the size of the tool they are doing it with.
Fluff piece designed to get hits. Posted here for comedic (yet predictable) results. Maybe the results are comedic due to their predictability.
I don’t know.
I’m not sure why this has degenerated into a package-size argument, as I don’t see that being the essential factor in play. In fact, for some people I know a too-large diamond-cutter has been a gamebreaker.
It’s all about gently removing nail polish while your lover is blissfully dozing. Yeah, that’s why whitey is successful here.
Yea right…give & take Miss Choi, eh?
I say this article written is 99% based on this reporter’s view on interracial dating.
Yes, the usual statements from the usual size queens were predictable and occupied a disproportionate number of entries.
I’d agree with #43’s second paragraph. It’s nicely phrased and, were I a girl, I’d ask him out in a NY minute.
C’mon, bluejives, ‘fess up.
When you told those Jewesses you were trying to lay, “I study Hebrew”, I’ll bet they thought you were just adorable.
Hahaha… good one goat.
Maybe we are all nobs for posting comments on this one…
I haven’t been home in a whole, but I doubt Konglish has taken off there.
Ha ha – this should be a pretty good litmus test of Korean males’ tolerance. And would someone who has a Korean internet account please remind them again that we really, really don’t care if they date white women – in fact better them than us, in some opinions.
I live in Sydney never once heard the “KFC” acronmyn for Korean women.
I know plenty of foreigners dating Korean girls here in Korea. Probably half of them are engaged to slightly older local girls, and probably half are whipped. Make of that what you will.
Fucking genetics…
WangKon, it seems you are obsessed with white phalli… while other comments are filled with sarcasm, yours seem defensive and lonely. May I suggest that posting at the Marmot’s is not very good therapy? You should accept your sexuality and move on with your life… *
Barring that, I think everybody would appreciate if you compose your posts more thoughtfully. Posting 2-3 times in a row is irritating and reminds me of my ex who used to continue arguments with “oh, and another thing…!”
Anyways, I wonder why this issue is such a hot topic. And yeah, I’ve heard that about Korean girls having a hard time if it is well-known they dated a foreign man… I mean, look at Shin Jeong-Ah.
* That was sarcasm, by the way… I do enjoy a select few of your posts.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find Korean girls very difficult to approach and date compared to others?
The vast majority of Korean women don’t even look you in the eye and many of them would never date a foreigner because of whatever reason.
Korean chicks are not easy!
Anyways, women in the early 30s or older are like damaged goods here. Of course, they’d opt for western men, simply because westerners aren’t obsessed about age.
The results are skewed by this fact: The study above doesn’t account for Korean adoptees.
Anyway, like Wangkon, such numbers don’t “jive” with personal experience.
Me? I’m probably going to marry a non-Korean, and couldn’t care less about the love lives of strangers unrelated to me.
“I’m not sure why this has degenerated into a package-size argument.”
Are you new here? Personally, I too was expecting some Fred Reed stuff from NetizenChump.
Anyway, glad the original article was posted. Retardedly written or not, it should raise foreigner’s stock.
Eh? As far as I know, Shin’s alleged romantic liaison was with a Cheong Wa Dae official, not a foreigner.
That one’s right up there with the “Jones Shock”.
OK, I’ll ask — what is the “Jones Shock?”
What foreigners in Korea supposedly felt when Jeffrey Jones had difficulty getting his brood enrolled in a foreign school.
# 55,
I post a few comments in a row because here at work I only get a few patches of free time during the day. That and also the fact that sometimes I don’t take writing comments on MT all that seriously, thus the messy comments from time to time.
Hmm… I think by Shin Jeong Ah, he means Ok So Ri.
Is wjk sick today? He’s supposed to have asked Dogbert for his penis measurement by now.
@CactusMcHarris
At MH, every discussion eventually devolves into whose dick is bigger contest. It’s like this blog’s own Godwin’s law.
bumfromkorea, how big is your dick?
dogbertt is actually a chick with a dick.
a lot of these Korean girls are doing it for sex.
a lot of the foreign men are doing it for sex.
exotic sex for vice versa.
I encourage you to look into any thread out there in the universe about Indian women and foreign men who use them for sex, and when the fun runs out, …
however, and whatever, we are creating a new population of Eurasians on earth, and I’m not so sure the Korean branches of this population choose to be Koreans in their lives or their children’s lives and so forth.
Men have a family name to pass on. But, not really. Most are fake Parks, Lees, and Kims. They are doing jaesa to fake ancestors.
but, whatever.
one of the things about these Korean girls is that they don’t want to do the traditional Korean jobs they have to do during chusok, jaesa (which no Christian should be doing, but widely done among Koreans), and sul, etc.
I’m not sick. I’ve yet to be sick. I wash my hands and pretty much never touch my face, no matter what, which seems to prevent a lot of respiratory crap.
yeah, I do see a lot of 1 inch flaccids and a couple that I have dig out among the white population, but I guess in the Korean mokyoktang, they are all seven flaccids.
And to think I was wondering where wjk was in this discussion…
Wjk, you don’t know how true this is — although it would be better to say we are creating a new population of ethnically mixed Koreans, since the place where this is having the biggest sociological impact is the Korean countryside (where the mixing is between Korean men and women mostly of other Asian extractions). Talk to officials from any provincial Korean municipality, and they’ll tell you one of their most pressing tasks is assisting multicultural families — child education being a particular concern.
well, I concede, Mr. Koehler, that Korea is more unforgiving to mixed children, and that if you have the means, do shelter them in an artificial environment, like waegookin hakgyo, where English is spoken.
2mb tried to do this for all mankind in Korea, but the plebeians thought it was too sudden of a change. Fine. Pay US college ed money to get the shelter, then.
in a big picture, though, it’s still not as segregated as the US was prior to 1964 or even 1970.
is there a “Mixed” and “Pure” water fountain?
that Dongnamasia dude just had sex with a Korean girl ! Let’s go hang his ass on a tree, and beat up everyone in the Dongamasian neighborhood. No, that happenned in the USA.
see the movie, “Rosewood”, for a visual.
we may all look alike to other races, but Koreans are pretty good at giving a hard time and alienating anyone they perceive to not look typically Korean.
it typically goes like,
“are you mixed? You don’t look Korean.”
white women in the deep US South used to have “foreign” boyfriends, too, with exotic genitals.
as an adult, my understanding is that the white man retaliated by hanging black men on a tree left and right, and terrorizing the whole black population within a horse-ride radius.
They go to church? Burn their churches.
to my understanding, Korea was never as extreme and unforgiving to mixing of races.
What do you (foreign guys) think about dating Korean girl who will only date foreigners? And say her last 3 boy friends where foreigners. (let’s say a Canadian English teacher (who’s one gap year in Hakwon land turned into 5), an American GI (who says he is a pilot), and wanna be Eastern European actor (passing himself off as native English in the small one line roles he gets).
Would you date her?
Personally, when I lived in Korea I tended to avoid girls exclusively looking for a foreigner.
Thoughts?
Well, your understanding is about to change in that case. After the influx of American soldiers after the Korean War, it was not infrequent to have “honor killing” of women who gave birth to mixed children. There are many accounts of father and brother hanging a woman for dishonoring the family, particularly if the woman came from a good family.
I’m not even going to bother with correcting your knowledge of the pre-Civil Rights Era South. Suffice to say miscegenation was rarely the cause for a church burning.
#70
If they had ever dated a foreigner I avoided them. If they spoke exceptionally good English I avoided them. Eventually, I refused to date girls who spoke any English whatsoever.
From #51:
I must say, though, that the aesthetic quality of our resident melanin-deficient sisters has certainly improved. Or at least I don’t remember seeing as many hot white chicks before as you see now.
Well, far be it for me to question one’s choice in dating partners, but I’d find it a tad odd.
#72 I agree with your strategy there. I started dating a girl who only spoke Korean after I passed a certain level. However, it’s hard to get too serious with a girl who can’t speak the language of your friends and family. I prefered to date educated girls when in Korea.
If a girl once dated a foreigner and also lived overseas for a year or two…then I wouldn’t rule her out. It always depends on a case by case basis.
But, yes when in Korea I was turned off if they are too exposed to foreigners and certainly if they exclusively want to date a foreigner.
Baekdu boy, I try to avoid any Korean who wants to have foreign freinds, they can be weird, so I’m usually suspicious of people who introduce themselves using western names.
On a different note though, as an English teacher, I think that it would be fun to both help Korean men and make an awsome lesson plan. (If you are teaching male adults or college students.) That VH1 show with that guy who called himself mystery, had alot of potential here, also there are alot of books about picking up women.
In light of recent studies about Korea being a world leader for suicide, I think that helping Korean men pick up women, or helping them (Korean women too) get more self confidence could help put a dent in this problem. Just think about it, is it more fun to be in a conversation with a Korean who makes a few mistakes but doesn’t care or to be in a converstion with one who constantly asks you “Is my speaking correct?” The latter is due to a lack of confidence, and sooner or later you’re just going to abandon that person the same way a woman speaking to a man with no confidence would.
@ 70
If I was young and single I am sure that I would be able to find a purpose for those girls.
@70 Baekduboy Right on. When a whitey first comes here, those kinda girls are the easiest to find and get involved with. But, I agree with you, they are, in my experiences generally a little screwed up in the head. I avoid them.
The best girls that I’ve dated here are either ones that have never had a foreign bf before, but didn’t have a prejudiced attitude against them and rather wanted to consider all guys as equal humans (Korean men and barbarians alike), or who had dated both and didn’t have a preference. A girl with such an attitude is much more likely to be better adjusted and more likely to handle undesired situations that might arise when interracially dating in Korea.
#76 Sure! but..I wasn’t going to go there on this forum.
Just under 80 comments already. By 6pm, we’ll probably be up to 150 …
Nothing unusual has come up so far. Korean netizens prove yet again to be insecure nerds lacking to the tackle department. Whilst, many Western men have come across as being just as insecure, bringing up the ol’ big cock chestnut.
Meanwhile, Korean women are flocking to the foreigners in increasingly and come out looking like the most secure of the lot. Knowing what they want and how to get it. God bless ‘em …
#79 – should be in the tackle department
Hysterical. Please do so immediately. Record and upload.
Re #70,
While that particular person might be trouble (I think it’s impossible to say from here), I don’t see what’s wrong with anyone having an Asian preference, White preference, or anything else. It takes all sorts to make a world, and there’s enough to go around for everyone, it seems to me. If a Korean woman only wants to date Western men, that means she knows what she likes; it may also show that she has a certain level of seriousness as to her relations. It would be misogynist and provincial to jump to premature conclusions.
Sorry, there’s a bit of a slip-up there: “relations” should be “relationships.”
I think there’s a two-fold problem here:
1. Korean journalistic standards are not at the same level as Western journalistic standards. (For the record, neither are Japanese, Chinese, Russian, E. European, Africa or S. American journalistic standards.) There is far less separation between what appears on the opinion page and the front page, and editors tend not to be as sensitive to journalists’ personal biases.
2. There are people with the same extremist views as expressed in the comments in any country. Here in Korea, however, newspapers are more likely to have online comment sections, internet access is readily available, more people know how to use computers and there are a large number of idle, unemployable youth who just sit around and make uninformed comments all day.
#29: “I’m happy for you white guys. Having a foreign boyfriend is a “cool, fashionable” thing for Korean women. Good for you guys!”
Doesn’t mean a damn thing when they end up married to Korean guys. We’re good enough to date, but not good enough to marry.
“Doesn’t mean a damn thing when they end up married to Korean guys. We’re good enough to date, but not good enough to marry.”
First off, not all of “us” are looking to marry the girls. And, your gripe isn’t actually a problem at all… I’m not sure what reason(s) the kind of girl who will date a foreigner but doesn’t want to marry him has to make her think like this… (societal/family pressures, was just looking for some exotic cock, etc., whatever). But if she has such a prejudice, you (whitey) shouldn’t be marrying her or even WANTING to marry her anyway.
The story that Australians call Korean women KFC (Korea Fucking Country) is a source of frustration to me as an Australian that lives in Sydney. As a Korean speaking Australian, many Koreans ask me why Australians hold this racial attitude against Korean women. The frustrating point is that even though the story is completely untrue, it is completely believed by Koreans.
The genesis of the KFC story was in Sports Seoul, after which it was widely reported elsewhere too. The article supposedly interviews several Korean foreign students living in Sydney, and one of them gives the KFC story, while the others hint at misconduct, like Korean women dating or living with foreign men. One is even confident enough to give statistics (lol).
Of course, the KFC story is not even close to true. No Australian would say Korea Fucking Country because it doesn’t even make sense. It would make sense to a Korean ESL student, and it is they that made up the story.
Add to this that there are quite a few other damaging rumors of this sort floating around and you have a lot of Koreans that believe that Australians harbor a special prejudice towards Koreans. One of the results of this is that Korean students are sometimes wary around Australians, and end up living with Koreans, associating with Koreans only, and only eating Korean food. It is a sad reality that many leave Australia no more able to speak English than when they left Korea, and without having acquired any cultural knowledge. Sometimes I am the only Australian they have ever actually spoken too at length, and I have to field questions like the KFC one because they would not be comfortable (or don’t have the ability) enough to ask an Australian that cannot speak Korean.
I wish the Korean media would stop publishing these kinds of articles, and damaging relations between people. It is certainly not news that is fit to print.
Ok So Ri, yeah thx Marmot
3gyupsal sez “I’m usually suspicious of people who introduce themselves using western names.”
lol – that’s all I got to say about that…
I like Kimchi.
I like kimchi and taking off nail polish.
Only 90 comments so far. Weak.
I am married to a Korean. I have been here 4 years and “dated” more than a few Koreans. I have got the stares, the looks.
But I have never found meeting a girl tough. Every town has a foreigner hangout, these hangouts tend to attract girls who
1. Want to practice English
2. Want to experience a break from the normal Korean experience
3. Want a foreigner boyfriend/lay
KFC, haha, as if Joe Meatpie would know where Korea was, let alone enough to be able to make that comment.
87, 92 Exactly!
KFC in Australia is where you get works burger with pinneaple for your hangover (I love em! almost as good as a 해장국!).
If an Aussie bloke wants an easy shag he has 100 times more chance with local scrubber than hitting on Korean women (if he could even distinguish that) is barking up the wrong bush.
Well, I guess it’s the end of a slow couple of days here and what better way to end it than a story regarding Korean women dating foreign men.
Wonder how long it will be before the Korean media recycles this story and we see an another Korean women + foreign men blog post with 100+ comments?
I don’t know which part of that quote that I am laughing at, but all I know is that I’m rolling on the floor laughing… and mysteriously typing coherently as well.
Proof positive that some girls are just stoooopid.
Kind of curious why some of the Kyopo commentators here are complaining since they are one of the beneficiaries of the “date foreign” trend among Korean women.
Because much like some non-Korean folks in Korea dislike the foreign-boyfriend-pursuers, a lot of us are pretty sick of gyopo-chasers. Whenever I visit Korea, I try my best to hide my gyopo-ness when I talk to girls.
Anybody that has lived a few years in Korea has enough “talking points” scripted through trail and error that wheeling Korean girls takes little to no effort.
Of course, if the shoe being on the other foot. If an Irish or Scottish person showed up in my home Canadian town…they could get laid with almost anyone just based on their accent and the fact that they come from out of country.
Korea isn’t much different.
“Sorry, there’s a bit of a slip-up there: “relations” should be “relationships.””
They should be, but often aren’t.
They should compare the quality of Korean girls dating foreigners not the quantity.
But I think its the same everywhere. If a male is dating a attractive female that is of a different ethnicity, some men of the same ethnicity will be jealous.
Of course if he was dating a ugly female, they might not care so much. So lets see some pictures!
#96 I think the gyopo factor worked a lot more during the 80’s when it was still relatively a novelty for a Korean to speak English fluently. I think it’s different now since so many people can speak the language now.
It was definitely a conversation starter when girls would approach me and ask Qs about what it’s like living abroad, etc.
Dae Han Min Guk.
surprise, surprise, no bumfromkorea.
hey, don’t call for me, if you can’t answer it.
Ha ha this shit is funny. I am white with a Korean fiance and this is gonna sound weird…I actually always talk shit when I see other foreigners with Korean girls. Usually cuz the Korean girl they are with is so ugly. I see decent looking white guys with wack ass Korean girls. To all the Korean guys out there…just laugh at the foreigners with bad taste in women. I can’t stand Korean girls that exclusively like foreign men. Most of the girls I dated also dated Korean men. I can speak some Korean so I always tried to meet girls that couldn’t speak English at all. It forced me to speak and study more Korean. I got a handful of Korean guy friends and they don’t give a fuck what I do. They are all really cool. I pretty much avoid foreigners in Korea cuz they usually act like dipshits. We are in Korea. It’s ok for Koreans to act a fool and get drunk and crazy….THIS IS THEIR TERRITORY!!!
Oh, you were actually serious? Um…
13 inches. Around
based on my sample size, that’s a far outlier.
might have just as well said nothing rather than lie.
now, we suspect it’s a very big round up.
Why did I expect wjk to have watched American Pie 2? I blame dehydration.
Only in the Marmot’s Hole would you see two Kyopos get into a dick fight.
would -> will
#86, and some of us are not out to shag every Itaewon slag out there. Come back later, after 10 or more years of dead-end relationships and then tell me it’s not a problem. It not like I’m out with the express purpose of getting married, but I’d at least like to know the option is open to me if it comes to it SOMEtime down the road.
I’ve been cockblocked TWICE after three-year relationships.
Let’s bow out, or let’s give in.
Korean girls happen to fall into the (unfortunate?) category of women. As for myself, I’m stupid enough to doggedly pursue the rose-in-the-pants and only worry the next day about which cultural traits the surrounding flesh ascribes to.
Take out your penknives, men. Whittle away at equations and cut out your eyes with envy when you aren’t getting any. Some of us circle underneath and have cornered a fair market.
The US never landed on the moon.
I think the gyopo factor worked a lot more during the 80’s when it was still relatively a novelty for a Korean to speak English fluently. I think it’s different now since so many people can speak the language now.
Actually the Kyopo factor still works today. For Korean women who wants a US citizenship via marriage, but can’t stand the stigma of dating and marrying a whitey, the Kyopo is the next best choice.
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