Korea’s vice finance minister is putting a positive spin on Lehman Brothers going bankrupt:
“In the short term, there might be a risk that Lehman’s bankruptcy filing will have an impact on global stock and bond markets and cause higher volatility worldwide. But in the longer term, it could contribute to easing of the credit crunch by quickly removing market instability,” Vice Finance Minister Kim Dong-soo told reporters.
The comments were made before Kim began a hastily-arranged emergency meeting here where economic and financial leaders weighed the ramifications of the collapse of Lehman, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection the previous day.
Currency markets weren’t as rosy, with the won plunging to 1,139.85 to the dollar. This provoked a verbal intervention on the part of the Finance Ministry, which said the won’s slide was do “excessive” that it could lead to drastic market corrections.
The stock market did little batter, with the benchmark stock index tumbling more than 6%.
Korean financial institutions had exposure of a combined US$1.44 billion to Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch as of the end of June, but financial authorities don’t appear to be particularly concerned.
Oh, and in case you were wondering, the Korea Financial Services Commission has shut down Lehman Brothers’ Korean operations. And Korea Development Bank is STILL interested in Lehman Brothers, depending in how the bank’s Chapter 11 goes:
“The bank is still interested in Lehman’s franchises,” a source who was involved in aborted negotiations between the two banks told The Korea Times, Monday.
[...]
“It all depends on how the U.S. government deals with this,” the source said, referring to the Korean government’s treatment of KDB’s handling of LG Card.
[...]
“In LG Card’s case, the KDB took it over and nurtured it back to health before selling it to Shinhan Bank,” the source said. “At issue is whether the U.S. government is willing to do the same thing.”The source, however, cast doubt about Washington’s willingness to do so, citing separate authorities between the executive and legislative branches.
Make of that what you will.



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ft.com:
Exodus of employees told to ‘move on’
Published: September 15 2008 21:42
The message delivered to shocked Lehman Brothers staff on Monday was simple and direct.
“It’s over,” announced Christian Meissner to a morning staff gathering just a week after being appointed to run Lehman Brothers in Europe. He told the staff to look for new work and “move on”.
Staff had little choice but to follow suit in Lehman’s offices around the globe as they came to terms with the reality of the vertiginous collapse of the 158-year-old institution, leaving workplaces with belongings hastily collected and their savings depleted.
The mantra of Lehman Brothers was to pay its staff in stock – some 30 per cent of the bank’s equity was held by employees and many bonuses were paid in shares. Now those holdings are all but worthless.
Some staff were also told not to expect a paycheck at the end of the month and that they might even be liable for expenses on their corporate credit cards.
In Lehman’s London office, the bridgehead for the Wall Street firm’s international expansion, many were evidently determined to minimise their status as creditors to the firm.
“Some have more than £100 on their pre-pay canteen cards, [so] they’re buying hundreds of bars of chocolate, bags of roasted coffee and anything that’s non-perishable,” said one employee.
The plan for the chapter 11, as I understand it, is just to let the government, together with the financial community, take some caution time to unwind Lehman’s holdings and derivatives contracts and avoid a fire-sale. The world’s financial companies are intertwined in their dealings, and in the US at least, they are required to ‘mark to market’, meaning that IF a price for their complex structured products (the “sub-primes”) were to be established, then they would have to write off much of their balance sheet value.
They all believe that after the panic is over, the value of a lot of these instruments will recover to some degree. They absolutely DO NOT want fire-sale prices established on Lehman’s $600 bil in assets, because those prices would automatically trigger paper losses for them. Those paper losses would become real losses if the write-downs hit their credit ratings, or lowered their capital cushions below regulatory requirements.
It’s not about rehabilitating Lehman and reselling ‘the good parts’ to the highest bidder later. If KDB wants to start contacting headhunters in Manhattan and poaching some talent, now would be a good time, but it won’t ever be able to buy a complete, functional Lehman unit.
The most interesting thing about all this to me (aside from my current investment losses), is the staggering extent to which it is no longer rational to talk about ‘the government’ and ‘Wall Street’ as separate entities. And oddly, contrary to the previous assumptions of most people, it’s not that Wall Street has taken over the government, but the other way around.
ft.com comment:
Lehman had to fall to save the financial system
By Avinash Persaud
Published: September 15 2008 11:48 | Last updated: September 15 2008 11:48
It was a brave decision. By abandoning Lehman Brothers, a 158-year-old piece of Wall Street furniture, and refusing to remove their hands from their pockets when Merrill Lynch came calling, US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and New York Fed Governor Tim Geithner had one of the busiest weekends of dispassion on record. There will be much fall-out in financial markets over the next few weeks and even more uncertainty.
Two questions come immediately to mind. Why give guarantees to JPMorgan to help it to buy Bear Stearns in March 2008 but decline to do so six months later for Lehman Brothers, a larger institution? Second, will Lehman’s bankruptcy make financial conditions better or worse? There is rhyme to the reasoning behind saying no to Lehman Brothers and while things will get worse over the short-term, the alternative may have been the same pain, drawn out for longer.
There were reasons for saying no to Lehman that were not there for Bear. First, there is the distinction between solvency and liquidity. The liquidity arrangements the Fed put in place after the Bear Stearns collapse means that institutions that fail now are more likely to have a solvency problem than a temporary liquidity issue. The policy mistake that contributed to a decade of missing growth in Japan in the 1990s was allowing insolvent institutions to limp along, while praying for a revival in market prices that never came.
Second, there is the issue of moral hazard. While central banks have been offering liquidity on generous terms and stopping institutions from going bankrupt, some banks were not engaged in hard restructuring, but gaming the system. They were busy hoarding liquidity and pushing risky instruments into the hands of the authorities. Why did it take the edge of bankruptcy for Lehman to draw up plans to hold $30bn of hard-to-sell commercial property assets into a separate entity? The situation was complex and changing but bankers will recognise today that the game is not about luring sovereign wealth funds to invest before markets recover, but how to restructure for a brave new world in which the financial sector is smaller.
Third, there was a new and alarming factor not present at the time of Bear that argued strongly against new government guarantees. Since the August rescue of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, credit markets have begun to price in the possibility of a default by the US government – the implied probability remains a fraction of 1 per cent but it is an unprecedented development.
Finally, there is the systemic risk. Bankers always argue that if they are not redeemed of their sins that hell and damnation will fall upon the rest of us. This normally works. When Bear Stearns was tottering on the edge, it was argued that as it was the leading investment bank in the mortgage business, letting it fail would spread woe from the cloisters of banking to Main Street. The mortgage market still fell apart and a large chunk of it – Freddie and Fannie – has in effect been nationalised. Officials may have felt that the failure today of Lehman, an institution not heavily involved in residential mortgage lending, was not going to make much difference.
There will be systemic fall-out from the Lehman bankruptcy, however. The avenues through which systemic risk will flow will be new uncertainties about the functioning of the credit default market, rumours over insurance companies that sold insurance against corporate defaults and the cycle of accounting write-downs. Lehman’s commercial property portfolio was proving hard to sell, but it was only marked down to 85 cents in the dollar. Now that these assets will be sold off, there will be a transparent pricing point that other institutions will either incorporate into their valuations of assets, or the market will do it for them. Fresh write-downs will reduce the ability of banks to lend, which will crimp investment and slow economic growth. The optimists will argue that the sooner prices are marked down in a transparent way, the sooner the recovery may begin.
It is hard to argue against that now, but the real lesson from grappling with the fog of war is not to blow the fog away, but to avoid wars. We must redouble our efforts to moderate the booms that cause the crashes and stop discouraging long-term investors, through accounting and regulatory rules, from acting in a long-term manner.
The writer is chairman of Intelligence Capital Limited, a financial advisory firm, and Emeritus Professor of Gresham College
Dude, what were you saying before about me having too much time on my hands and dominating threads? Add another triple-post, and you’ll be giving Mizar a run for his money.
I’m interesting. You’re a schmuk.
Short. Sweet. True.
I remember when I was at high school reading lots of talk about how interest rate/inflation policies were going to blunt the edges of the old boom-bust cycles. I remember thinking that it sounded like a good idea since boom followed by bust was just silly.
Since then we’ve had IMF/LTCM, followed by the dot-com bubble, followed by Enron/Worldcom, followed by umm, another bubble, followed by nationalising the agencies, Bears and Merrills getting picked off and Lehmans filing for chapter 11.
I always had a problem seeing how KDB would take over Lehmans. Somehow I found it hard to picture a bunch of high-flying Wall Street types taking orders from a state-owned Korean bank. It was bad enough when Dean Witter took over Morgan Stanley.
Now that the Lehman Bros. name is not worth much, if anything, it’s hard to see much value in trying to buy the firm outright. There must be business units worth taking over, and a lot of the guys won’t have anywhere better to go on the Street, but in terms of buying your way into the top echelon of international investment banking, it doesn’t seem worth the effort. Add to that the fact that KDB probably won’t be too popular around Lehman guys for letting them go to the wall and I just can’t see it working.
Did ING get much from taking over Barings? They made some money spinning off various bits but they also ponied up a bunch of cash to cover all the losses.
http://www.marketoracle.org/Article6275.html
Linkd, you’re an overpaid greeting card translator, but perhaps you’re not the only one who finds yourself fascinating.
There are some people here who agree with me and find me interesting:
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/.....ent-183336
DFTT
I used to be a fan of Metro’s, too.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/.....ent-102316
But I saw through him eventually.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/.....ent-148856
And I’ll feed it to you anytime I want, schmuck. I pitch, you catch, mouth open and ready. I’m overpaid, so you can have that one for free.
Dearest Linkd,
You sound like one of those big, angry, name-calling, overly masculine, testosterone-pumped members of “team fear.” Peace, brother. Peace. (Can we hear your ad nauseam story one more time about how the two political parties in the US are exactly the same yet somehow Obama is better than McCain. It really makes a difference what the pot-smoking, weekend-binge-drinkers up north think when we Americans choose our President.)
I, of course, meant overpaid for a jingle translator while still hardly making much. Does Scott Soper pay you for writing his speeches or do you do it “pro bono“?
Now, please excuse me while I go over to the corner and cry because you called me a schmuck twice (try to come up with more original insults ’cause you’re boring me).
so, relative e-penis size aside, how about them banks failing eh?
I was always suspicious of Merril Lynch. They ran commercials telling me how rock solid they were. If they were so rock solid, why do they have to use commercials to tell me so?
This financial crisis doesn’t affect me much, because I have no savings and no investments. I do, however, still have a lot of student loans. A master’s degree is expensive. When will everything go to hell enough so that my loans will be forgotten?
It seems that some trade off-setting was done under the auspices of the ISDA on Sunday. But just look at wikipedia’s list of the largest bankruptcies by assets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....bankruptcy
It jumps a bit at the top, eh? The LTCM bailout was about $4 billion by comparison. Wouldn’t you just love to know where some of their stuff was marked? Marked at 85, sold for 25 is going to hurt a lot.
They also listed $613 billion in debt on their filing. Pimco apparently owns a lot of the bonds which are now trading around 35. Sounds like KDB dodged a bullet. Could be very interesting times ahead.
Next on the list: AIG, Washington Mutual, and Citigroup.
This is just the beginning.
Korean government must stop intervening in the currency market. They’re just pouring buckets of water into the sea. Pretty soon they’ll run out of water. Finance minister Kang Man Soo should be fired.
@2: Mark to market valuations are not being done by parties unwinding their Lehman’s exposure, for a number of reasons. And be assured, all institutional counterparties are unwinding now.
I’m sure. But it’s being done in the closed sessions eujin spoke of, no? (Lehman wrote a default swap against some bond that a bank owns, and sold it to an insurance company. So Paulson invites the bank and the insurance company to just settle it themselves) Isn’t this what’s going on now, rather than dumping the swap onto some ‘market’ where the price would become public knowledge?
Again, people around me keep telling me to hang on until later November to see some real repercussions from all this and they meant Korea. I hope they are wrong; I can live without the excitement.
“CM”s list (AIG and Washington Mutual) is a real collection of long-time crooks too. They should have stuck to stealing TVs from houses while the owners were out.
If US Libor really did jump 333 bps (333bps!) yesterday this suggests to me that Lehman’s must have been short swaps somewhere and everyone is dumping them (or I should say their creditors) further into the shit.
I got a big old spam message from AIG last week. Things look really bad for them now.
The vanilla CDSs and the like can probably be unwound quite easily behind closed doors. I say quite easily but that’s only relative of course. Vanilla CDSs are easy to mark-to-market for most big names anyway as the market is quite liquid (Enron used to have a webpage with the spreads on
) It’s all the highly structured stuff that’s impossible to mark, the repackaged, leveraged, tranched, derivative-backed, correlation risk stuff. The US mortgage stuff is particularly bad as it has negative convexity and all sorts of issues.
Unless there’s an actual bid out there, you’re relying on guess work and computer models, which may or may not be the same thing.
While this stuff isn’t trading (because no one wants it) it’s much easier to claim you should be marking to model, with perhaps a 10% premium to cover your ass. That’s probably what’s been going up to now, but now with Lehmans things might change.
If someone is distressed and trying to sell something that nobody wants or understands it’s very hard to claim that other similar products should be marked to model rather than marked to “administrator of Lehmans doesn’t want it and doesn’t understand it so who’s showing a bid”.
Then there are all the people who don’t know how to mark their books to market, but they probably don’t give a rats ass.
All I’m gonna say (for now) is that back in early May, I had said that by year’s end it would be 1,200 won to a dollar and a barrel of oil would be $80.
Today it’s 1,140-ish to a dollar and $92 a barrel and I still have three more months!..
I should of gone into derivatives (but I didn’t because I hated the math).
So the oil price has come down. So that will only mean the gas prices will go up.
The US government just announced a $85 billion dollar bailout of AIG. So why AIG, but not Lehman’s? More debt to add on to Uncle Sam’s back. Bad bad bad. The US government is forestalling the inevitable disaster. Don’t bet on the foreign governments to trust the US treasury with their money. If I was the foreign government in Saudi Arabia or Asia, Why would I want to invest in the US treasury when all its doing is lending the money right back to bad companies with bad risks?
How long will it be before we begin to think the unthinkable - the US default??
This is just great. Only yesterday the FT and all the Adam Smith types were waxing lyrical about how Treasury Secretary Paulson did the right thing in removing moral hazard and how there’s no firm too big to fail, and then today they go and bail out AIG.
That was one whole day folks with no moral hazard. I hope you all enjoyed it.
I think Paulson wishes he was back at Goldman cashing $12 million bonus checks a year instead of making a couple hundred grand to get criticized and second guessed by stupid armchair financial people like us.
Oh that’s right… he’s resigning this year…
Shit… I’d do the same after realizing that his position, Secretary of the Treasury, is the most under appreciated position in the financial world.
Trust me, Paulson knows what he’s doing… I’ve never met a guy who was a partner at Goldman who didn’t.
Barclays plans to acquire Lehman Brothers’ North American investment banking and capital markets businesses for $250 million in cash and also purchase Lehman’s New York headquarters and its two data centers in New Jersey for $1.5 billion.
Being Secretary of the Treasury is a bit like being president of the Harvard Law Review. You don’t necessarily do it for the immediate compensation.
When floating your resume (having your resume floated) to various consultancies, publishers, board selection panels etc., Secretary of the Treasury AND partner at Goldman Sachs sounds better (pays more) than just Partner at Goldman Sachs, even if that is hard to believe.
Not saying Paulson doesn’t know what he’s doing, just saying he doesn’t need our sympathy. Wikipedia reckons he’s worth $700 million dollars (plus or minus the Goldman share price), so he’s doing a bit of charity work.
So Barclay’s gets the crown diadem - the NA investment banking business - for chump change, and the collateral jewelry for market. Given the length and apparent seriousness of the previous discussions w/ KDB, it would be very interesting to know how KDB missed the opportunity to pull off that heist for itself.
Thank goodness you didn’t go into teaching.
;). He’s trying, though - to edumacate we all about the greatness that is Corea !
Paulson was an honorable mention All American as an offensive lineman at Dartmouth. Thanks kinda cool.
$250 million for 10,000 workers? That’s $25,000 per person. They must be taking on some toxic trading positions then. Paulson could have bought them with his own money.
“The price is on par with the market value of Sanders Morris Harris Group Inc., a Houston, Texas-based brokerage with 617 workers, and is less than a third of the value of KBW Inc., a New York-based firm that employs 529.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....NeWHOmplhM
How ’bout this Jon Danielsson of LSE (talking about the Fed, on Monday)
“If they didn’t give the money to Lehman they are not going to give the money to an insurance company,” predicts Jon Danielsson.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7616197.stm
(But I bet he can do math
)
The US Government told Lehman Brothers to take a hike and bailed out AIG because AIG is involved with other investments in addition to Wall Street, such as money market and pension funds as well as insuring lives, homes, and cars. It is one of the largest global insurance and financial services companies, investing for and insuring over 45 million persons and institutions in almost 130 different countries (including Corea).
It was also an easier bailout, and the $85 billion loan is backed up by AIG assets which can be sold off over the next two years to pay the loan.
Check this out:
This article is from here. I hope certain people at the SEC are prosecuted for this.
And the Fed get warrants good for nearly 80% of the equity of AIG so, as in the case of the Chrysler bailout years ago, the taxpayers stand a good chance of making a healthy pile of dosh.
They just have to make sure that Hank Greenberg doesn’t manage to get his hands on the tiller again, since it actually was during his watch that the corporate culture that contributed to this fiasco was constructed and many of the dodgy investments themselves were made. I imagine they have provided for this.
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