It’s the weekend… where da party at?
Okay, I’ll start.
Iowa community college president has to resign after pictures of him (shirtless) pop up on the Internet where he’s pouring beer from a keg into a bikini clad young woman. Gawd I miss college!
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Matt of Occidentalism is lying when he says DBlatt didn’t close off his website when Matt was trolling him, trying to even black ball his writing career.
He knows and I know that it was closed at that time. Maybe it’s open now, but it was close then.
JK, you walked off the confrontation, probably because it was me confronting Matt. Well, at least we all know you and him both love Obama. Like I said many times, you and I are worlds apart in terms of character. I sport a “w”.
Even Bevers knows DBlatt closed off his site at that time.
by the way, I will never apologize to Matt, because I never lied about his crimes.
What he’s referring to is, that Matt called RJK a house nigger of Korea. This is true. I don’t care to look it up. Googling it would be akin to searching for illegal mp3’s of an obscure band. You do your own spin work, Matt.
and the other major point I want to drive is,
Occidentalism will use your PERSONAL Information.
So, don’t share any with Occidentalism.
that is all I want to accomplish.
McCain’s pick of Palin kind of negates all the “experience” attacks.
There was no attempt to black ball his writing career, just an attempt to get to the bottom of what he said were misquotes in the Korean media. He came to us. Furthermore his site was never down. However, you continue to believe it was because you are mostly likely mentally ill, a Cho Seung Hui waiting to happen.
You have been saying that I called Robert a “house nigger” on the Marmots Hole since at least Feburary of 2007 (15 months!). You still have not substantiated it, and Robert also knows that I did not do it.
On Feburary 19, 2007, I wrote (linked above) -
The fact of the matter is that you are a kyopo Cho Seung Hui living in the US that is probably just as dangerous. I find your fixation on me more than a little worrying, and I am glad I do not live in the states.
Still waiting on your apology, Cho.
Good point A7…
Palin has about the same amount of experience as Obama, but Obama has no executive experience, which I would call a qualitative advantage to the lady. From the reading I’ve done today, looks like she accomplished more in Alaska compared to the nothing Obama has accomplished in the senate (no significant legislation to his name at all).
Having said that, I think Dems/media will focus (obsess) on that perception while ignoring Obama’s lack of any executive experience or accomplishment in the senate.
Richardson, as far as I know, McCain has no executive experience either. Nor any experience in the private sector, or any experience other than that of a state employee living off the fat of the land.
Ummmm… yeah, but we are talking about a position that’s one breath away from the Presidency, which is important given McCain’s age…
Plus it’s the same reason why poor ole Dan Quayle was derided during the campaign of ‘88…
Being a senator is “one breath away from the Presidency”?
No…. being a VP is.
As one of my friend commented, “An anti-gay, NRA member, pro-lifer from Alaska to be one 72 year old’s cancer cell away from the presidency? Good God.”
GSM question; I’d heard awhile back that there might be a GSM network coming to Korea - can anyone confirm or deny that?
I was comparing Palin to Obama, which is more fair to Obama. I can’t take anyone seriously who wants to compare Obama’s experience to McCain’s.
But this is a debate not worth having; no one’s mind would be changed, and in the end someone on the left will end up making a McCain=Bush=Hitler comparison.
Sarah Palin is to the Vice Presidency as Harriet Miers was to the Supreme Court.
what a racist cop out, shaku.
I admit I want to be a hunting man and teach my kids to shoot at deers and birds one day, but no one in my immediate family has a gun, even though one got a medal of thanks from the Republican Party of New York State.
Governor of a US state has many powers similar to the President of the US. They can veto, they can order the national guard, they can pardon, etc.
Biden is Obama’s attempt to mirror McCain and cancel him out as much as possible.
Palin is McCain’s attempt to mirror Obama and cancel him out as much as possible
Palin seems to have given birth to a Trisomy 21 kid, despite knowing well ahead. It was always my impression that the whole purpose of testing for Down’s was to encourage the mother to terminate early and spare the hardship on the individual who is actually born and 2ndarily to the parent.
face it, you guys always make short bus comments, don’t cha?
the inner douche bag within you.
wjk is here to enlighten you.
the only pertinent point above is that, she is quite serious about what she believes and that will
bring out the very force that elected Bush in November.
The plural of deer is “deer”.
haha, fucking dogbert
Yes she is. She’s serious about wanting creationism taught in public schools and she was a huge Pat Buchanan supporter back in the 90’s.
Perfect for Jesus’ little sheep, but generally gives pause to those of us that don’t believe in magic and don’t want our kids taught about virgin birth in science class.
In respect of a 2G network, I doubt it. But the 3G networks are both advanced derivatives of GSM, and so Korea is compatible with Europe and the US in that way.
Parthenogenesis is a bit advanced for high school kids.
Brendon - thank you. Do you know if sims are easily found?
As it happens, telecoms regulation has loomed large on the minds of several of our clients this year, and so I’ve had the chance to learn a fair bit about this market.
The phones sold in Korea have traditionally been “locked” to a carrier’s specific network. This locking was done by slightly different technical standards as well as the physical configuration of the phones — whose SIMs were hard or impossible to access. And anyway, each carrier’s network is a nationwide network. There is consequently no market for replacement SIMs.
However, the Fair Trade Commission and Ministry of Information and Communications (now Broadcast and Communications Commission) observed the effects on competition and — quite correctly — determined to take steps to open up the platforms to promote consumer choice.
First they adopted number portability, then pushed the consolidation of the legacy 011, 016, 107, and 018 carrier-specific mobile-phone prefixes into a unified 010 prefix. This year brought a big step: From June 2008, it is now possible to swap SIMs from the same carrier, thus changing the phone number. From sometime later this year (I think September, actually), carriers are supposed to allow SIM swaps between carriers — a KTF user could swap in an SK Telecom SIM and use her phone on the SK network, for example.
This step probably will activate the market for sale of pre-paid and exchangeable SIMs. However, Korea still has a problem with anonymous communication, and for that reason I doubt that it will be a no-questions asked transaction.
Thanks for taking the time to explain that is such detail, much appreciated. I guess my own phone will still make the trip, but only for the alarm clock and books on MP3…
This isn’t exactly an American politics question, but I have found that at the GOP convention website, if you click on a video feed, you get a logo for Simcoe Muskoka Catholic Learning Centre. This is interesting to me as I am from Muskoka, in central Ontario, Canada. Did Muskokans make the website or what?
http://friendlyatheist.com/430.....p-website/
Wasn’t Mary fucked by, or, impregnated by… the HOLY GHOST? If so, parthenogenesis doesn’t follow and no other naturalist explanation may be possible. Besides, reading up on it just now, apparently in mammals parthenogenesis has only ever produced female clones of the mother. -Sayin!
wjk — why are we still talking about Occidentalism? Please stop, or at least take it up with Matt at his site.
Regarding Gov. Palin: Well, McCain always did have a thing for cute, perky young women. I fail to see how naming a pro-lifer as your running mate will help get the disaffected Hillary vote, though.
Via RCP;
http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/
I think some of them are so hardcore, McCain’s plan may work at least partially. I know all my Hillary-militant gay/lesbian friends are taking stances against Palin, but I dunno how many people voted for Hillary with the primary reason being that she’s a woman.
Another friend had an interesting perspective - Palin may end up being the rally call for the democrats what Hillary may have become had she won the election for the republicans. Pro-drilling, pro-gun, pro-life, anti-homosexual - a conservative’s wet dream (and liberal’s nightmare) if there ever was one.
@abcdefg
I stopped myself from bringing up some crazy theories about Jesus being a woman (that I heard near the campus corner).
“Palin has about the same amount of experience as Obama, but Obama has no executive experience, which I would call a qualitative advantage to the lady. From the reading I’ve done today, looks like she accomplished more in Alaska compared to the nothing Obama has accomplished in the senate (no significant legislation to his name at all).”
That’s all we need. More white trash in the white house.
Ok bad pun. But the point is that we’re not talking experience here. We’re talking about intelligence vs. stupidity. The choice is quite simple, and quite revealing. Your vote clearly shows which of the two you are. Vote for McNasty and his fluffer if you like. But don’t whine afterwards.
“I stopped myself from bringing up some crazy theories about Jesus being a woman (that I heard near the campus corner).”
I’ve heard even crazier theories about Jesus being some kind of supernatural figure. Go figure.
“GSM question; I’d heard awhile back that there might be a GSM network coming to Korea - can anyone confirm or deny that?”
Kind of came and went, it was scheduled to be up and running by the 2002 World Cup, but wasn’t. I believe a limited network area was later started but then dropped due to costs/ lack of interest.
Tells me what I need to know about you.
All you need to answer; what has Obama accomplished in the senate. Not rhetoric - actual accomplishments, legislation.
A non-reply is fine since that sums it up.
Guten nacht…
“I was comparing Palin to Obama, which is more fair to Obama.”
Sure is. A small-town bean counter vs. a visionary.
“I can’t take anyone seriously who wants to compare Obama’s experience to McCain’s.”
Agreed. That’s one huge load of baggage you can’t pin on Obama.
Everybody’s off-topic! Get with it, dammit!
We’re supposed to be talking about that “Iowa community college president” who “has to resign after pictures of him (shirtless) pop up on the Internet where he’s pouring beer from a keg into a bikini clad young woman,” right?
So, what do I think on this serious issue?
Hey, c’mon, it’s just like Membership Training in Korea. What’s the problem?
And it reminds me of how I met my wife. She and I met on a train in Germany. Sounds a bit like “training,” don’t you think? And they drink a lot of beer in Germany.
Otherwise, there weren’t all that many similarities. Oh, right, she was also a woman.
Jeffery Hodges
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Red herring, Richardson. Don’t try to frame the debate unless you can argue something other than parroting the meaningless platitudes of the visionless.
When you’re ready for a debate on serious issues, come back and get your ass kicked.
Brendon - very interesting info. You are referring only to 3G phones having SIM cards, right? Is there any compatibility between the SIM card scheme here and in the USA? For example, when my current phone dies and I get a new 3G phone, could I just plug in my USA SIM card when going back home? It sure would be nice not to have to juggle two phones. But I guess if it works at all, it would be limited to those areas of the US with 3G service.
Red herring, Hodges. I always suspected you might be a cultural Nazi.
#38 Mizar5
Argumentum ad Nazium, Mizar. I always suspected you might be a cultural red herring. (winky, winky)
I’ve got a great idea, instead of allowing the McNasties to throw out the usual electoral redherrings - irrelevencies like McCain’s and the Bimbo’s ahem experience, what do you say we allow the American people to frame the debate this time?
I can see how the McNasty gang would be reluctant to discuss the issues that really matter to the American people however. The statistical evidence of 8 years of a devastating dismantling of the industrial base and the middle class is something to be avoided at all costs.
Let’s see what “issues” these scoundrels will come up with this time to avoid facing the light of truth.
Hey there NES
(insert Mizarism here)
lol
But, Mizar, it’s not nice to call Obama a bimbo, despite his lack of experience. That’s both sexist and racist.
We all await the coming of the Obamessiah, Mr. Hopenchange. He shall win, Insh’Obamah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xtNr5-up0U
“We are the ones we have been waiting for!”
-B. Hussein Obama, Masturbation for Dummies
“Everybody’s off-topic! Get with it, dammit!”
It’s an open thread Jeffrey, you can’t go off topic!!!
But on the subject what supposed to be wrong with the photo, aren’t community college staff in the US allowed a private life? All the photo shows is an apparently private party, people having fun on a boat, with a guy pouring beer for a lady.
Hardly pornographic or demeaning?
“But, Mizar, it’s not nice to call Obama a bimbo, despite his lack of experience. That’s both sexist and racist.”
Neither racist or sexist, just demeaning, but then you weren’t really referring to Obama were you!
“Bimbo - used as a generalized term of disapproval especially for an attractive but vacuous person”
After all, he may be vacuous, but he’s not attractive ;-0
Oh, pardon me. Did I neglect to mention pointless and failed military adventurism, the domestic security debacle, loss of jobs, record deficits, a failed energy policy, the housing crisis, the weak dollar, widening income disparity, stagflation, declining wages, erosion of civil rights and condoning of torture, failure to deal with global warming, erosion of international influence, the wholesale and corrupt handing over of Washington to lobbyists, failure to address the growing healthcare crisis, failure to help get American industry back on track, dangerous imports, failure to ensure the safety of the food supply?
That would be the start of the list of real issues that McCain will assiduously avoid.
His answer to all of this - offshore drilling.
The hard truth about offshore drilling? As it remains economically unfeasible and unprofitable for big oil, funding this represents nothing more than a surreptitious means of channeling tax dollars to oil firms for token development that will not impact domestic supply and will only exacerbate the fossil fuel crisis over time.
If you think more of the same might not be so bad, bear in mind that “the same” a precipitously declining trajectory.
The dynamics of this election are abundantly clear to the space aliens. As we see it, USA has sprung a leak and as Obama rushes over to fix it, McCain is throwing red herrings at him.
Jeffrey’s a satirist, Arghaeri, and a funny one at that. He leaves room for you wonder if he’s serious or not, which is a sign of good satire.
“Otherwise, there weren’t all that many similarities. Oh, right, she was also a woman.”
Was?
NES:- “you weren’t really referring to Obama were you! ;-)”
Obama is an empty suit of endless platitudes. Although, I suppose he might get Rezco to help bail the US out of its financial crisis.
Mizar the logical liberal. Now that’s an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one.
I love the “experience” line Republicans have been clinging to. Of course McCain’s got more experience — he’s about 108 years old for fuck’s sake. Bush Sr has more experience too — maybe you guys should champion him instead?
Personally, I think it’s Obama’s lack of experience that is his strongest selling point, considering how badly managed America has been in the last 10 years.
The guy brings fresh angles, energy and ideas. Unfortunately most of the terminally conservative will never vote for a Dem, no matter what his/her promise or policies. Jesus could be running and they’d write him off.
NES getting confused ignore last post, need some sleep!
“Argumentum ad Nazium” Que?
If I knew how to install one of those icon images to represent myself here, I think I’d chose a sock puppet.
Or maybe a silhouette.
vs a foxymoron? is that what McCain was aiming for?
“It’s an open thread Jeffrey, you can’t go off topic!!!”
Ha! I did.
Jeffery Hodges
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The problem with Jeffery Hodges is that his readership is all dead.
#18 Creationism taught in public schools? I’m all for it. There’s no better way for kids not to learn it.
Arghaeri, good point. My wife (knock on wood) is still a woman.
It’s really a miracle. I knew she was special.
And is.
Jeffery Hodges
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“My wife (knock on wood) is still a woman.”
Not if she’s sporting wood she’s not.
sock puppet: “This Mizar is really quite a genius.”
Flattery will get you nowhere. How about rephrasing that?
“The problem with Jeffery Hodges is that his readership is all dead.”
True, once comments from the grave started appearing on my blog, my still living readers stopped dropping by.
Jeffery Hodges
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Concerning comment number 62, my wife’s not around at the moment. I was simply thinking of her.
Jeffery Hodges
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Some more videos of McCain.
“McCain’s Teleprompter Problem”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZacIe_YLg
“John McCain Dumber than George Bush and Here’s How”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....s&NR=1
I grimaced a bit about the issue of “experience” in the candidates since G.W. Bush had only the experience of being a weak Governor in Texas. What “experience” in governance Mr. Bush now has, has been at the expense of all Americans and the political system, thus I am not impressed by what he has gained but rather by what we have lost by the experience.
I will take some one possessed of the qualities that make for superior discernment rather than how many bills have their name on it.
“once comments from the grave started appearing on my blog, my still living readers stopped dropping by.”
Well, sure. It was just getting too crowded with those blank comments.
This guy… Matt’s a friggin’ idiot. That’s all I have to say.
Dear Confused Liberals and International Peoples (Sorry for the redundancy),
Juan de Cain isn’t a “conservative.” I grew up in Arizona, so I’m rather familiar with him. Conservatives don’t like McCain.
The one silver lining if he wins is:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U
I will now go back to my work of starving little children and pushing old people down the stairs.
Thank you,
NES
P.S. Actually, Mizar, I was thinking of the Sock Puppet av myself, and really I earned it.
Almost missed this one:
“Red herring, Hodges. I always suspected you might be a cultural Nazi.”
Cultural? That’s an insult. Whenever I hear the word “culture,” I reach for my Browning.
I especially like his dramatic monologues…
Jeffery Hodges
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Elgin, Bush had a wealth of experience. He was a failed businessman who became a failed president.
McCain too. He was once a POW and is now the hostage of special interests.
The fact that American political discourse actually involves a discussion about whether or not a candidate has eaten arugula, is a fucking disgrace. And it’s not just this random commenter. Plug in arugula and Democrats into Google and you get 121,000 hits.
Forget foreign policy, can you let me know if you do or do not enjoy this particularly leafy vegetable? Fucking pathetic.
Of course the other variation is the “Which candidate would you like to have a beer with?” bullshit, which posits that a candidate capable of an interesting conversation in a pub is somehow more qualified to run the free world than one who in incapable of cracking up a table of drunken assholes with dick jokes.
Ok NES, you’ve won me over with your superior logic this time, but I’m warning you - don’t do it again.
“Of course the other variation is the “Which candidate would you like to have a beer with?’”
I’d rather smoke a joint with Bill Clinton.
You are the Mizar5 of politics, iheartblueballs.
“It was just getting too crowded with those blank comments.”
Those are the immaterial comments from the dead. I do get a lot of those.
Jeffery Hodges
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NES, really? Where in Arizona? (glad to see a former fellow leatherskin! :-D)
You’ll need to deal with them a bit more strictly. Consider incorporeal punishment.
“I’d rather smoke a joint with Bill Clinton.”
Don’t do it Mizar. Bill might not inhale, but he will Bogart that joint.
Jeffery Hodges
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“My wife (knock on wood) is still a woman.”
Jeffery, that’s a relief, would have been a bit disturbing otherwise. Particularly, since you’re still married to her
“You’ll need to deal with them a bit more strictly. Consider incorporeal punishment.”
I’ve tried that. I just can’t tell if it’s working or not.
Jeffery Hodges
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“If I knew how to install one of those icon images to represent myself here, I think I’d chose a sock puppet.”
Mizar, go to gravatar.com
http://en.gravatar.com
Who said anything about working? Just spare the rod and spoil the corpse.
Thanks, Arghaeri. Now I know why you chose the gopher icon.
What are the qualities that Obama has exhibited in his brief public-service career that have impressed you with his superior powers of discernment?
It is his position against the Surge, even after the Surge has been proved to have worked?
Is it his long, close association with the anti-American, racist church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright?
Is it his close and continuing friendship with the murdering, terrorist bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn? (Or, perhaps, his decision to lie about said relationship, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence.)
Is it the idea that anyone in America needs to see any more of Slow Joe Biden?
Really, I want to know. Besides his dazzling smile and handsome visage, what is it about Barack Obama that makes you believe he is a man of good judgment?
That’s no gopher, it’s an internationally famous hamster called Penfold, sidekick to the super secret agent Dangermouse!!
Hmm…now how do I get the gravatar to show?
That’s uncanny. I chose a silhouette!
I think it takes a while for it to link across the web, maybe a day or two maybe more.
Thanks, I owe you. I thought Dangermouse was a musician.
While it’s fair to say McCain has not worked in the public sector, it’s ridiculous to claim that he has had no executive experience. John McCain commanded a naval aviation training squadron — several hundred people. That’s executive experience.
Let’s also consider leadership. McCain has exhibited leadership and moral courage throughout his long career. We’ve had a long time to observe John McCain, and to learn of his moral clarity and courage.
I don’t trust Obama at all. We don’t know all that much about Barry, but there is too much troubling stuff right at the surface to make me think it’s going to get better.
On the plus side, Mizar, your blue sock-puppet Gravatar will show up real soon. It’s visible in the Control Panel of this site.
Neither presidential candidate stacks up in my opinion, but to paraphrase Rumsfeld, you go to the White House with the candidate you have, not the candidate you want. The ideological divide in the U.S. between the parties is not as wide as people make it out to be since we have so many checks and balances, mainly checks, on wide policy swings. And I don’t see these two as being that far apart ideologically. McCain has long been accused of being a “social liberal” by conservatives.
So I’ve been on the fence about who to vote for. I’ve leaned toward McCain because Obama seemed long on rhetoric and thin on specifics. Biden gave him some credibility, although it made me wonder why the ticket wasn’t the reverse.
I figured McCain, with all his flaws, could be better on foreign policy. Then he picked Palin, utterly inexperienced on foreign policy, anti-abortion and an aggressive advocate for the Christian Right. I don’t want to see that come anywhere near the White House. No to McCain.
Mr. Carr, I googled Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, names I vaguely remember (I was born in Chicago) and it doesn’t appear that Obama shares their beliefs or condones their past acts:
http://www.politico.com/news/s...../8630.html
Again, it isn’t so much that Obama’s judgment is superior to McCain’s, it’s that McCain’s is so much inferior to Obama’s as evidenced by his choice for VP.
Brendon Carr” “Is it his close and continuing friendship with the murdering, terrorist bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn? (Or, perhaps, his decision to lie about said relationship, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence.”
Ayers was not a “murdering, terrorist bomber” but the voice of a radical movement that was vehemently opposed to the Vietnam war. There is no evidence of any murderous acts on his part. He is a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education, and was retained by Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley to help found the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school reform program. He has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established in 1941.
As with Obama’s membership at the Baptist church, no smoking gun. Here’s some background about Obama’s interaction with Ayers (about which Obama did not lie):
“Obama served as president of the board of directors for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a large education-related nonprofit organization Ayers was instrumental in starting. The board disbursed grants to schools and raised private matching funds while Ayers worked with the operational arm of the effort. Both attended some board meetings in common starting in 1995, retreats, and at least one news conference together as the education program started. They continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 period when the program was operating. Obama and Ayers served together for three years on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty foundation established in 1941. Obama had joined the nine-member board in 1993, and had attended a dozen of the quarterly meetings together with Ayers in the three years up to 2002, when Obama left his position on the board, which Ayers chaired for two years. Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, said the small board had a collegial “friendly but businesslike” atmosphere, and met four times a year for a half-day, mostly to approve grants. The two also appeared together on academic panel discussions, including a 1997 University of Chicago discussion on juvenile justice. They again appeared in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library. One panel discussion in which they both appeared was organized by Obama’s wife, Michelle. Ayers donated $200 to Obama’s 2001 state senate campaign.”
At the Democratic Party primary debate in Philadelphia, when George Stephanopoulos questioned Obama about his association with Ayers, (after Sean Hannity suggested the question) Obama responded as follows:
“This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.”
Question answered. No substance in your claim, Brendon.
“Their past acts” is a line of bullshit — these two are murderous terrorists who organized and directed politically-motivated attacks on US government officials in order to overthrow the government. They went after policemen and judges, and their families, and exulted over Charles Manson’s successful crimes.
If Obama were a man of judgment and character, he wouldn’t be caught dead on the same public bus with these two.
Instead, he’s been friends with them for 20 years. In 1995 he was a friend of Bill Ayers for whom Ayers threw a fundraising party in Ayers’ home to launch Obama’s political career, and for whom Ayers reached out to arrange chairmanship of Ayers’ Marxist education committee — but now in 2008, when people are starting to ask “Hey, why is Obama’s friend being photographed standing on that flag?” he’s some stranger Barry hardly knows.
It’s not just the Annenberg Challenge, by the way. Obama and Ayers served on another board together too. They were, and are, political allies in Chicago’s Hyde Park liberal establishment. And that says something about Obama’s character and his capacity to make good judgments.
Biden was the only candidate in all the debates that made any sense whatsoever. I have traveled in the USA recently and what stuck me is now the working stiffs are getting screwed over BIG TIME. They pay absurd levels of taxes, get no help for their kids, are losing houses left, right and centre and have some of most regressive bankruptcy I could ever imagine. Can’t decalare bankruptcy on credit card and hospital debt? Get real!
Schools suck for most people, the cities I saw were travesties of urban planning and more people than not are buried in a V-8 truck that they can’t afford to drive and is worth less than what is owed on it.
And people talk about “foreign policy” and “executive experience?” No wonder half the people don’t even bother to vote.
Mr. Carr, read the article I linked to–their association sounds much less cozy than you depict it to be. The two were involved in local Chicago politics: “there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation.” I’m not even defending Obama, if I were him I would have steered clear of those two. I just don’t think guilt by association is in effect here.
Add to that another article on Politico:
“Count Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as one of the most surprised that she was chocen as unning mate for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”
In fact, she said she didn’t know what the vice president does.”
http://www.politico.com/news/s.....12969.html
Let’s talk about poor judgment. This is McCain’s best VP pick? Why wasn’t it Condi Rice, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, or Christine Todd Whitman? Really disappointing.
It was extremely courageous of McCain to cheat on his crippled wife when he was 40 in order to chase twentysomething ass. Eventually dumping the gimp and marrying the young, rich ass must have been the moral clarity part.
Was it his moral clarity or his courage that led Senator McCain and his pals to twice seek out and pressure federal regulators to stop investigating convicted felon Charles Keating and his failing S&L? Courageous to accept $100k and private jet trips in exchange from Keating, or moral clarity?
Maybe the tens of thousands of elderly investors that had their lives flattened by Keating with an assist from McCain could clear that up for us.
McCain has skeletons, and he doesn’t walk on water. No use pretending otherwise.
March 6, 1970, three Weather Underground terrorists — Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins — were killed when a bomb they were manufacturing detonated prematurely, destroying their Greenwich Village townhouse. The bomb they were making was a nail bomb, a vicious device intended by terrorists to murder or maim the maximum number of victims.
The bomb under construction was being made to specifications dictated by Bill Ayers. It was intended to be detonated at a non-commissioned officers’ dance at Fort Dix in New Jersey — in other words, Bill Ayers directed a plot to murder or maim, on American soil, hundreds of US soldiers and their invited guests.
(By the way, as a matter of law, this makes Ayers guilty of homicide — felony murder.)
And all of it was public record at the time Barry Obama became introduced to Bill Ayers in 1987. Maybe he didn’t know at the time, due to ignorance of the history — after all, Obama thinks the United States has 57 states — but I can’t imagine over the ensuing 20 years nobody mentioned this to Barry. He simply doesn’t care.
This speaks equally poorly of the judgment of UIC, Daley, and the Woods Fund. But they are not running for President of the United States.
Jeremiah Wright’s church, Trinity United Church of Christ, is not a Baptist church.
If you don’t think the content of the sermons at Trinity reflects on Barry Obama’s choice to sit there and listen to them for 20 years, that’s your own blindness.
Mr. Carr, I don’t see Ayer’s name on the Democratic ticket.
“Sen. Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence,” said Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton. “But he was an 8-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost 40 years ago is ridiculous.”
http://www.politico.com/news/s.....Page2.html
Again, guilt by association doesn’t wash here. As Blueballs pointed out, McCain should not have been caught dead on the same private jet as Keating, and to me that shows much poorer judgment than Obama.
Your credulity is astonishing. The explanation offered by the Obama campaign is a complete whitewash, and if the press weren’t so busy standing and applauding for Barry we might have heard more about this. But there’s good news — the mainstream media is as determined to ignore the worrying signs of Obama’s poor judgment as you are.
Obama wasn’t eight years old when he accepted Ayers’ bloody handshake. He was a full grown man. That’s the relevant issue.
Luckily there are bloggers working on it.
I think Carr’s just jealous that Obama went to Harvard Law School.
Or because Obama has a better jump shot.
OK Mr. Carr, what is the real nature of their association and what impact would that have on an Obama presidency? What influence did/does Ayer have over Obama?
Bonus points: How is Obama’s association with Ayer on whatever level worse than McCain’s involvement with Keating?
I think if you’re a grown man still talking about your college, or if it remains your chief qualification, that means you haven’t been doing much since then. I do envy the jump shot.
Wright’s infamous sermon, when listened to in full and placed in context, isn’t bad at all. And that’s a fact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
How many here have actually listened to the sermon in full? Wright is your typical Christian pastor who sees things from the lens of Christian rights and wrongs. International politics, American patriotism, and all that, would be paltry things to such people, and rightfully so.
Mizar
Obama has asked that people leave his wife out of it, Mizar.
P.S. “Foxymoron.” That’s clever.
#77 Bum
All the sun from playing outside without a shirt turned me into a “점쟁이.”
(I’ve got lots of moles on my back.)
I lived in Tucson from K - B.S., with 2 and a half years over here in Korea (why the hell is my flag French when I’m at home?) during the middle of college.
Please tell me you’re not a scum devil.
Robert,
WTF has happened to your blog in the last month or so? Between the lack of good posts and the shit you’re allowing in the comment section, things have definitely taken a dive south here…
he is a sun devil.
are you a wild cat?
Obama wasn’t in the Senate for long, but truthfully, he hasn’t done much. His yap was busier. He rode the vote he casted against war up to the temple of Obama in Denver. Along with the I’m black, you can’t say bad about me.
Obama talks about free healthcare, but seriously, I’ve never heard of him talking about tort reform.
I’ve heard Bush talk about tort reform many, many times, and people ignore him like he’s retarded.
on this issue alone, Obama is blatantly dishonest.
Obama is dishonest about a lot of things.
95% of America will get a tax cut. Have you seen cnn’s graphic and tables on how much an avg joe in America makes?
these people are already rotating thru the ER.
so, let me get this straight. We will probably tax evil rich people or corps to fund free heatlhcare, while 95% of