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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
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		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different strokes for different folks... I always thought she'd be freaky in bed and make strange chipmunk noises... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different strokes for different folks&#8230; I always thought she&#8217;d be freaky in bed and make strange chipmunk noises&#8230; <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/08/06/bush-gets-lesson-in-korean-geography/#comment-179465</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I had it real bad for Bernadette Peters&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope you're being facetious.  The frizzy hair and squeaky voice ought to have a cold swimming pool effect on any man's member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I had it real bad for Bernadette Peters</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re being facetious.  The frizzy hair and squeaky voice ought to have a cold swimming pool effect on any man&#8217;s member.</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/08/06/bush-gets-lesson-in-korean-geography/#comment-179453</link>
		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, now, let's not get defensive. You were not named in my post under any of your anonymous IDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, let&#8217;s not get defensive. You were not named in my post under any of your anonymous IDs.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Apologies for not returning the favor - just yet. I’ll take pointed ridicule over insipid ideological idiocy any day, and a gadfly over an apologist."

"Insipid ideological idiocy"?  I simply recommended to Gbevers that he post his opinions on Dokdo in a manner that just discusses the facts and leave off his negative generalizations of the entire Korean peoples.  After having one work contract in his home country (meaning Korea, since he's been there for decades), I would think you would recommend this as well rather than encourage him to go through another ordeal of not having a work contract renewed because of continued negative generalizations.  Somehow, you seem to be encouraging him to continue his ways....then when he either gets fired or doesn't have his contract renewed again, you're gonna somehow say he was justified to make his constant negative generalizations about all Koreans ...under his own name.  At least you, Mizar, are smart in that you hide behind an anonymous ID (or two).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apologies for not returning the favor - just yet. I’ll take pointed ridicule over insipid ideological idiocy any day, and a gadfly over an apologist.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Insipid ideological idiocy&#8221;?  I simply recommended to Gbevers that he post his opinions on Dokdo in a manner that just discusses the facts and leave off his negative generalizations of the entire Korean peoples.  After having one work contract in his home country (meaning Korea, since he&#8217;s been there for decades), I would think you would recommend this as well rather than encourage him to go through another ordeal of not having a work contract renewed because of continued negative generalizations.  Somehow, you seem to be encouraging him to continue his ways&#8230;.then when he either gets fired or doesn&#8217;t have his contract renewed again, you&#8217;re gonna somehow say he was justified to make his constant negative generalizations about all Koreans &#8230;under his own name.  At least you, Mizar, are smart in that you hide behind an anonymous ID (or two).</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for not returning the favor - just yet. I'll take pointed ridicule over insipid ideological idiocy any day, and a gadfly over an apologist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for not returning the favor - just yet. I&#8217;ll take pointed ridicule over insipid ideological idiocy any day, and a gadfly over an apologist.</p>
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		<title>By: NES</title>
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		<dc:creator>NES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49 Mizar

I'm glad you saw the humor in it, to which you deserve credit, although I wouldn't have minded a more entertaining reaction out of you.  I guess it would have taken too long to do the same for all of my posts, especially the Japanese ones! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@49 Mizar</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you saw the humor in it, to which you deserve credit, although I wouldn&#8217;t have minded a more entertaining reaction out of you.  I guess it would have taken too long to do the same for all of my posts, especially the Japanese ones! <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol.

A great send-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.</p>
<p>A great send-off.</p>
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		<title>By: NES</title>
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		<dc:creator>NES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizar

&lt;i&gt;Ignoratio elenchi&lt;/i&gt;


@31 

&lt;blockquote&gt;First of all, I doubt that. We’re talking about Korea, remember?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt; and
(specifically) genetic fallacy


&lt;blockquote&gt;Third, what’s the harm in making a fairly obvious general observation. Isn’t this pretty general knowledge?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad populum&lt;/i&gt;


@35

&lt;blockquote&gt;Who would accuse Americans of having their heads in the clouds, anyway. We’re talking about a highly specific Korean trait.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;,
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad populum&lt;/i&gt;, and
genetic fallacy


&lt;blockquote&gt;...and have so far escaped the gas chamber..um, pardon, the JK gas machine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;Koreans make much worse generalizations about Americans all the time...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i&gt;Tu quoque&lt;/i&gt;),
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad populum&lt;/i&gt;, and
genetic fallacy


&lt;blockquote&gt;As far as I can see Gerry has said something about a current Korean trait that is perfectly obvious to onlookers, which some Koreans apparently may have missed, although smart ones haven’t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad populum&lt;/i&gt;,
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;, 
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad consequentiam&lt;/i&gt;, and
genetic fallacy


&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, suppose Gerry had said instead that “Koreans are like frogs in a well.” Wouldn’t that be quite similar? But because it is a generally recognized self-criticism, you technically couldn’t fault him for telling the truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad populum&lt;/i&gt;,
bare assertion fallacy,
inappropriate generalization,
appeal to tradition,
thought-terminating cliché, and
existential fallacy


&lt;blockquote&gt;So what’s the difference here? So far as I can tell the difference lies in the fact that we are talking about a trait that Korean people are largely in denial of - a denial of the general state of denial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bare assertion fallacy,
&lt;i&gt;petitio principii&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;, and
genetic fallacy


&lt;blockquote&gt;But Gerry is a foreigner, so he’s not allowed to recognize or voice the truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Straw man argument


&lt;blockquote&gt;Because honesty is just not the custom here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bare assertion fallacy,
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;, and
genetic fallacy


*****

gbevers' posts:  

&lt;i&gt;argumentum verbosium&lt;/i&gt; and
&lt;i&gt;argumentum ad nauseam&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizar</p>
<p><i>Ignoratio elenchi</i></p>
<p>@31 </p>
<blockquote><p>First of all, I doubt that. We’re talking about Korea, remember?</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad hominem</i> and<br />
(specifically) genetic fallacy</p>
<blockquote><p>Third, what’s the harm in making a fairly obvious general observation. Isn’t this pretty general knowledge?</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad populum</i></p>
<p>@35</p>
<blockquote><p>Who would accuse Americans of having their heads in the clouds, anyway. We’re talking about a highly specific Korean trait.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad hominem</i>,<br />
<i>argumentum ad populum</i>, and<br />
genetic fallacy</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;and have so far escaped the gas chamber..um, pardon, the JK gas machine.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad hominem</i></p>
<blockquote><p>Koreans make much worse generalizations about Americans all the time&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad hominem</i> (<i>Tu quoque</i>),<br />
<i>argumentum ad populum</i>, and<br />
genetic fallacy</p>
<blockquote><p>As far as I can see Gerry has said something about a current Korean trait that is perfectly obvious to onlookers, which some Koreans apparently may have missed, although smart ones haven’t.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad populum</i>,<br />
<i>argumentum ad hominem</i>,<br />
<i>argumentum ad consequentiam</i>, and<br />
genetic fallacy</p>
<blockquote><p>Now, suppose Gerry had said instead that “Koreans are like frogs in a well.” Wouldn’t that be quite similar? But because it is a generally recognized self-criticism, you technically couldn’t fault him for telling the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>argumentum ad populum</i>,<br />
bare assertion fallacy,<br />
inappropriate generalization,<br />
appeal to tradition,<br />
thought-terminating cliché, and<br />
existential fallacy</p>
<blockquote><p>So what’s the difference here? So far as I can tell the difference lies in the fact that we are talking about a trait that Korean people are largely in denial of - a denial of the general state of denial.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bare assertion fallacy,<br />
<i>petitio principii</i><br />
<i>argumentum ad hominem</i>, and<br />
genetic fallacy</p>
<blockquote><p>But Gerry is a foreigner, so he’s not allowed to recognize or voice the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>Straw man argument</p>
<blockquote><p>Because honesty is just not the custom here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bare assertion fallacy,<br />
<i>argumentum ad hominem</i>, and<br />
genetic fallacy</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>gbevers&#8217; posts:  </p>
<p><i>argumentum verbosium</i> and<br />
<i>argumentum ad nauseam</i></p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The Korean&lt;/b&gt; -- It's the story for Steve Martin's classic &lt;i&gt;The Jerk&lt;/i&gt;. I think you might be a little young to have seen it in theaters, plus as an American comedy it might not have been released in Korea when you were a kid. Highly recommended, though.

I had it real bad for Bernadette Peters. As did Steve Martin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The Korean</b> &#8212; It&#8217;s the story for Steve Martin&#8217;s classic <i>The Jerk</i>. I think you might be a little young to have seen it in theaters, plus as an American comedy it might not have been released in Korea when you were a kid. Highly recommended, though.</p>
<p>I had it real bad for Bernadette Peters. As did Steve Martin.</p>
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		<title>By: The Korean</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Korean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizar @42,

that sounds like the rejected script for Big Fish.

Love that movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizar @42,</p>
<p>that sounds like the rejected script for Big Fish.</p>
<p>Love that movie.</p>
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