CBS’s Beijing correspondent reports that anti-Korean sentiment in Chinese cyberland is on the rise following a news story that asserts a Korean historian claimed Sun Yat-sen, father of modern China, was Korean.
Which, of course, is completely ridiculous, since everyone knows he was really Irish.
Anyway, some newspaper in Guangdong, quoting Korea’s Chosun Ilbo, reported that Prof. Park Bun-gyeong, a historian Sungkyunkwan University, had published a thesis claiming that Sun was Korean.
According to the piece, Park claimed his research into Sun’s family and Chinese family name culture revealed that Sun was a descendant of the Son family, which had immigrated to China from Korea, and that his family still retained customs similar to Korean culture and Korean linguistic legacies.
This report ended up a popular piece on China’s main portal sites and was eventually picked up in its entirety by a Hong Kong newspaper.
But here’s the thing — the Chosun Ilbo never made such a report, nor is there a Park Bun-gyeong at Sungkyunkwan University.
The fact that the report was a straight-up fabrication, however, has been of little interest to Chinese netizens, who are once again slamming Korea and Koreans for trying to steal Chinese culture.
At Baidu, a search for “Sun Yat-sen is Korean” gets about 85,000 returns, most slamming Korea and Koreans.
Another portal site has the article listed as a major piece, and within a short period of time had gathered 140,000 comments.
Some netizens lampooned Koreans’ extraordinary ability for making stuff up, even bringing into question Koreans’ claims to sovereignty over Dokdo.
You know things are bad when you have Chinese netizens threatening to take Japan’s side in a territorial dispute.
Some netizens, too, are calling for group retaliation on Korea.
The Guangdong paper in question, the Xin Kuai Bao (which this Forbes report called a “famous muckraking newspaper”) last year misreported in a feature article called “Korea-China Culture War” that Korea was trying to list hanja — Chinese characters — as a UNESCO World Heritage. In that report, the paper cited one “Park Jeong-su,” supposedly a historian at SNU, who claimed that his ten years of research into the subject turned up that Koreans, after inventing hanja, moved to the North China Plain, where they taught them to the Chinese, and in so doing created what is now Han Chinese culture.
As you could guess, no such professor existed at SNU’s Korean History or East Asian History departments, and the Korean government had no such plans to register hanja with UNESCO. Nevertheless, the report spread through Chinese cyberland like wildfire, leading many Chinese netizens to consider Korea a “culture thief.” In particular, the Chinese — whose cultural pride was hurt when Korea registered the Gangneung Danoje Festival with UNESCO over Chinese objections — reach quite sensitively to reports concerning the roots of Chinese culture.
Anyway, with unsubstantiated stories that Koreans are claiming as their own Confucius, Xi Shi, Mao (see Sonagi’s post here) and even panda bears being reported as established fact, anti-Korean sentiment is on the rise… or at least on the Internet.
The piece concludes that things nobody in Korea has even heard about are becoming established fact in China, becoming grounds for worsening bilateral sentiment.
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“The piece concludes that things nobody in Korea has even heard about are becoming established fact in China, becoming grounds for worsening bilateral sentiment.”
South Koreans and Americans believe an awful lot of wacky stuff about other countries, too. It’s the same everywhere.
“The piece concludes that things nobody in Korea has even heard about are becoming established fact in China, becoming grounds for worsening bilateral sentiment.”
Yeap.
Things are getting so out of hand..
That same Chinese paper that created the fictitious professor at SNU who supposedly claimed Hanzi was originated from Korea, did it again with Dr. Sun Yet Sen claim. Again, they’ve created a fabricated Korean professor.
Media in China is strictly controlled by the Chinese government – unlike the Korean press that goes after sensationalism to bring revenues or advance leftist cause. So the question is, why is the Chinese government encouraging the anti Korean feelings? What are their motives?
Oops.
I agree with Tripod there. Switch “Korea” with “Japan” and “China” with “Korea”, you get the same picture.
Is King Kong a Korean descent?
I’ve heard that one from internet source..
King Kong? He’s clearly American! Koreans are claiming Godzilla!
Can you please ban Aceface, Robert? He is the worst of all trolls and hate-mongering posters in your blog. He should really stick to Occidentalism.
I don’t know CM… I will tell you that the Nazis fabricated fake Polish atrocities against ethnic Germans living in parts of the old Prussia just before they invaded them…
OK, I take back everything I said about Chinese on the other thread. They are just like Koreans.
“Media in China is strictly controlled by the Chinese government”
Apparently not.
I blame confucianism (but not Japan).
Gee, blatant errors and false facts being spread, resulting in hopped-up, angry nationalism? Truth and facts being ignored? And KOREA’S on the receiving end? I’m having trouble deciding if this is irony, comuppence, or equality…
This is a very subtle and systematic game and I would bet is state-sponsored.
“Koreans are claiming Godzilla!”
No wonder he keeps on coming to attack Tokyo!
Oh yes, if you haven’t noticed, Mizar5 is another troll.
Back to China, this Beijing Olympics might turn out to be a huge failure (shaming China and I won’t be surprised if Korea gets the blame for no apparent reason than it is an easy/weak target).
Besides the obvious possibilities of Tibetan and other human rights protests, there are apparently TWO major epidemic outbreaks in China. Never mind the Australian atheletes planning to wear masks, but they should worry about contracting some nasty bug while in Beijing.
1. The hand-foot-mouth disease that is spreading like wildfire in China (in fact it has spread to N.Korea).
2. meningitis that has supposedly infected “16 million people, killed 1,251 people”
This news as quickly suppresed by the Party. “July 18, the domestic media on the Qingdao Municipal Health Bureau all the news was removed from the headlines, replaced by Qingdao City National Security Bureau issued a notice.”
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74295
Of course, they have recently detected bird flu in Hong Kong.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hqjl0Jf0WLeOnP5XmDLtFp1Ce7Zw
Also in nearby Guangdong, some bird flu; http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71677
Just ask any ajossi on the street, KingKong is Korean.
Ladron, it’s rather ironic, eh? However, this is a worrying trend. Not just for Korea, but for the world as well. Like Iran, the Korean peninsula has the potential to ignite the world into WWIII (doom). If you don’t realize, the Korean war was actually a limited form of WWIII. The soviet trained and supported North Korea attacked the US backed South Korea. In fact, the US GI’s were surprised to see Soviet jets flown with Russian pilots. Also, remember that the UN forces nearly won the war, but the Chinese intervened, and because of their sheer number, the war dragged on. So we have the US (and pro-Western UN countries), the USSR, and the PRC duking it out in the small peninsula.
Right now, the popular opinion in the US has turned against China (despite China bankrolling US empire-building) and you also notice a lot of anti-China rhetoric in the US media as well.
I believe there are only two real questions of global importance:
1. Will America manage to reinvent itself and save the empire OR will it disintegrate and leave a huge power vacuum in the world (especially in East Asia)?
2. Will China manage to rise “peacefully” and become a prosperous/harmonious super power OR will it collapse because of its internal problems (doomed demographics, overpopulation, corruption, social discontent)?
It seems as though the definition of troll to alot of Koreans here is: “Anyone who dances to close to revealing the hypocrisy of Korean idiocy and bigotry”
“Media in China is strictly controlled by the Chinese government”
“Apparently not.”
Well, actually it seems that the media and the internet is sometime getting outside of the control by the government, in China.
A kind of “Mob-freedom of expression” seems to be emerging, and as long as you can divert your anger, which in essence has something to do with the Chinese government and the Chinese society, against non-Chinese nations, using “patriotic” words, the Chinese government must handle it with great care, otherwise the backlash could be pointed to the Government.
At least that seems what they fear now.
You can’t officially criticize the Chinese communist government (albeit even that seems to happen sometimes recently), but you can show that you have huge anger or discontent in scapegoating other nations or your own local government.
“However, this is a worrying trend. Not just for Korea, but for the world as well. ”
well,being “the worst of all trolls and hate-mongering posters on the blog”,I can assure you,Shunyata,that Korea is the leading candidate of “The hub” of this trend.
tomojiro, that’s exactly what I am thinking. That’s why Korea government has officially/unofficially condoned and at times encourage public outrage at those sneaky Japanese. However, this has been rather harmless as both countries are more or less evenly matched militarily and are both quasi-satellites of the Great US. Also, despite how one might say about Koreans (they are emotional, brutish, childish), the ROK is still a flourishing demoracy with more or less open media. Same with Japan.
On the other hand, all those qualities are lacking in the P.R. China. In fact, it has engaged in multiple aggressions against her neighbors post WWII. See Sino-Vietnam war, the internvention in the Korean war, annexation of Tibet, Inner Mongolia, and Xinjiang/East Turkemenstan.
Shunyata, it is nice to see someone else who sees the potential powder keg that is the Northeast Asian sphere. I would also include Japan into the equation, a major powerhouse who is only restricted by its abeyance to the United States and it’s peaceful constitution, which is only sustainable under the watchful eye of the US. Of course, as long as the US doesn’t withdraw, peace is attainable since no one will touch Korea or Japan as long as the US is willing to commit to it’s allies.
As for your questions, I’m a firm believer that America is never going to disintegrate. A lot of fearmongers are out there purporting that American hegemony is over. Far from it. People underestimate how far the American economic reach, how militarily capable the US military is, how vast American soft power reigns over other cultures, and how prominent US politics plays into the equations of other nations. America does not even need to reinvent itself. It only suffered from interventionist neoconservative ideology for six years –a hiccup in the timespan of what is US primacy. No power vacuum is going to occur, no one is going to have to fight an anarchic war of supremacy in Northeast Asia anytime soon.
As for China’s ability to rise peacefully, who knows. It’s people generally don’t mind the Beijing Consensus or the East Asian model of growth (provided with courtesy of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan) which they see as necessary to growth. It will struggle to hold it’s empire. Yes, that’s right, I called China an empire. It is an amalgamation of states, many of which are not assimilated at all. Xinjiang and Tibet are clear examples. More than anything, it’s these separatist nations that threaten Chinese stability, and East Asian stability as well. I personally don’t think China has what it needs to pull off the peaceful rise they so desire. Sure they are cooperating with everyone and putting on a smile, but they have bleeding wounds that need to be healed somehow or amputated before they turn gangrenous and kill China.
This article is about China, So I won’t talk much about Korea. But what is wrong with Korea is, albeit that they are a flourishing democratic nation, THEY STILL RESORT TO THIS STUPPID CHILDISH outburst to divert domestic problems.
China? The situation in China is very disturbing but understandable. The people there are not allowed to express official opinion let alone criticize their own government. They don’t have right to vote. They don’t have official freedom of demonstration.
South Korean all has this. But still, sometimes they act like the Chinese.
Remember the US Beef demos? Dokdo madness?
Shunyata, I don’t know if I agree with your assessment Korea is a flourishing democracy. It’s more of a developing democracy still. It’s citizenry do not know how to deal with issues and concerns through proper democratic channels and in a civilized manner. I would agree with the assessment when Koreans learn to use the system, rather than always try to deconstruct it.
Not to get into a name calling game, but Shunyata calls someone a troll and racist, then calls Koreans ‘brutish’. Perhaps ‘abrupt’ would be a little less insulting? ‘rough around the edges’?
tomojiro, you have to understand: Culture matters. Koreans go to college to major in protesting. It was only twenty years ago Koreans got a legitimate democracy, up until that point, they’ve protested to express their concerns. Most of the people who protested back then are still alive and instilled their values in their children. It will take another two or three generations for such brash action to dissipate from the populace.
Are you going to call the French Revolutions childish as well? I mean, they had six or seven of them.
I second Tomo.
China is still underdeveloped and is an autocracy. But so far I don’t hear any angry mob trying to hammer a magpie in front of the Korean embassy in Beijing.
And I don’t think Japan has the same types of press environment with Korea.
If anyone tries to publish the equivalent of buck-toothed Japanese cartoon on major daily, the guy will lose his job the same day.
ghost.yoon
Culture has nothing to do with it.
Contemporary South Korean don’t live under a milltaristic government anymore, they don’t live in an absolute monarcic state, they don’t live in a communistice state.
And I am not saying that you shouldn’t express anger or critics against your own government in demonstration.
But don’t use it to divert local problems projecting it to foreign nations, using “patriotism”, “nationalism” anymore.
That is all what I am saying.
Excuse me, I feel like feeding the troll.
Aceface, are the KKK representative of White American behavior? Or are the actions of ELF representative of environmentalists? Honestly, taking the actions of the few as representative of the rest is a very Korean thing to do.
This is like the time the Chinese media quoted the Onion as fact on the US Congress threatening to leave Washington if they didn’t get a new Congressional Superdome, with retractable roof, to replace the old Capital Building:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ed20020623a1.html
I agree with your assessment tomojiro, but I just think that it needs to be understood that Koreans come from a very different background from Japan, which had democracy instilled under MacArthur’s development, and from the US, which had democracy since day one.
Also, Koreans don’t live under authoritarian rule anymore, but old habits die hard. Social behavior and views do not disappear simply after an instigator is gone; it perpetuates over time and takes generations to fade away, if it ever does. Give the country and the people some slack.
” Honestly, taking the actions of the few as representative of the rest is a very Korean thing to do.”
But we ARE talking about taking the actions of the few as representative of the rest now, aren’t we?
85,000 returns of “Sun Yat-sen is Korean” isn’t much compare to entire populace of the middle kingdom, me thinks.
So what’s with the sudden intolerance to the trollhood, gents?
I’m sure both of you were silent when there were so many sex oriented jokes flying around.
@30
…or laughing too hard to type.
“Aceface, are the KKK representative of White American behavior? Or are the actions of ELF representative of environmentalists? Honestly, taking the actions of the few as representative of the rest is a very Korean thing to do.”
Do you see any major newspapers in the states showing some deregatory cartoons of African American?
Have you ever heard some official person in the Bush administration using officially the word “niXXer” against African American?
How is it in South Korea when it has to do with Japan? It seems that any racial slurs or deragatory terms are allowed in any major newspapers and sometimes even among politicians.
@32
Well, there’s this (but it’s satire):
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/14/obama-camp-slams-satirical-new-yorker-magazine-cover/
I haven’t heard some official person in the Bush administration use nixxer, but I’m pretty sure a lot of southern politicians used the word nigger back in the 1950′s and 1960′s.
Really now, the Japanese occupation of Korea has only been sixty years, a burp in international politics.
Comparing the political landscape of a world powers that for the large part have been isolationist and former colonial powers (US and Japan for those who don’t know what I’m talking about) is hardly fair against the political landscape of a former colony in Korea. A lot of angst is still around there. A lot of it unwarranted sure, but it’s existence is undeniable, and a good portion of it is legitimate too, at least in the perspective of history.
Aceface, only a couple of years ago, there were minor incidents in China where angry Chinese tried to loot Japanese stores and embassy, attacked people riding Japanese cars, etc. Also let us not forget the Chinese students rioting/protesting in Seoul, Nagoya, etc.
Exactly,it’s a satire and also under heavy criticism,thus we won’t count that as an example of pejorative representation of African American by mainstream US media.
The thing about you or ghostyoon or Shunyata is always DEMANDING compassion and understanding for the actions of Korea,yet go berserk if someone disagrees and criticize,as if understanding and agreeing are the same words.
Understanding is not the same word as agreeing. I disagree with many actions of Koreans, Korean political landscape, and Korean politics in general. A lot of it is petty, derogatory, immature, and overly impassioned. But it helps to understand why they act that way, knowing that it isn’t like this problem came out of the left field and is here to stay.
Criticism of Korea is fine, and if anything, I am a vehement critic of Korean attitudes and actions. But it isn’t criticism but blatantly stating something that debases Korea pointing out extremities and just throwing incendiary comments is not a very helpful nor thoughtful process.
I can go around lambasting every country in the world with examples of assholery but it really does nothing to help fix the problems.
Also, the word berserk is poorly used; we called you a troll (which you are), but we aren’t threatening to burn your house down or something (which would be a legitimate case of being berserk)
#35:
That wasn’t exactly a minor incidnets since the resident of more than a dozen of Chinese metropolis had joined the protest.
“Also let us not forget the Chinese students rioting/protesting in Seoul, Nagoya, etc.”
Well,it was in Nagano,not Nagoya where I’m currently living.
Don’t get me wrong.I’m sort of a China hawk,and these Chinese students are definitly went too far,but isn’t “violent” protesting,kind of an ordinary social practice in Korea? Anyway their slogans were not exactly anti-Korea to my eyes.
I could alos note that Korean demonstrators went to Hong Kong few years back for protesting against WTO conference there and had some “violent” protesting.
“we called you a troll (which you are)”
It also sounds like “Pot calling the Kettle black”,but then again,that is the hidden theme of this thread.
@36 Aceface
“The thing about you or ghostyoon or Shunyata is always DEMANDING compassion and understanding for the actions of Korea,yet go berserk if someone disagrees and criticize,as if understanding and agreeing are the same words.”
Er, I did? In what comment? I just make funny references to Japanese culture every time you guys gang up on Korea, causing you to go berserk and demand that I be banned. I also criticize and make fun of Korea quite often as well. As an American, I felt hugely betrayed and disappointed by Korea in 2000 and 2002, so it’s really a “love-hate relationship.”
BTW, you can’t just discount it because it was heavily criticized. The New Yorker is pretty mainstream. The only real reason to discount it is that it was satire that was supposed to be critical of racism and caricatures, not reinforce them. The liberal readership was to PC-sensitized and mentally challenged to get it.
“BTW, you can’t just discount it because it was heavily criticized. The New Yorker is pretty mainstream.”
Maybe.But being “heavily ciritcized “counts in the context of what we’ve been talking here.
“causing you to go berserk and demand that I be banned.”
Let’s just say the word “berserk” is poorly used here.
I mean I ain’t threatening to burn your house down or something ((which would not be a legitimate case according to my book,even being berserk)
@42 Aceface
OK. Fair enough on The New Yorker.
Yeah, I intentionally used “berserk” the same way you did, and you using Ghost’s retort is amusing. But to be serious, a rare occurrence for me on “the hole,” asking Robert to ban me was totally 왕치사 (王恥事). I’m sure Robert can figure it out on his own when he finally decides to ban me for crossing the fine line that I tread.
#43
“But to be serious, a rare occurrence for me on “the hole,” asking Robert to ban me was totally 왕치사 (王恥事).”
Er, I did? In what comment?
I just posted “Time to liquidate some of the usual suspects”.There was no name calling that I recall.
But it seems Robert wouldn’t mind any racial slur to Japanese as long as no sockpuppetry involved.
And neither ghostyoon nor Shunyata wouldn’t count that as “trolling”as I’m not mistaken.
I’m sure Robert can figure it out on his own when he finally decides to ban me for crossing the fine line that I tread.”
“The fact that the report was a straight-up fabrication, however, has been of little interest to Chinese netizens….”
Hmmm, nutizens going apeshizzle over a straight-up fabrication, that sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?
@44 Aceface
So you’re saying that by “liquidate” you didn’t mean “ban?!” Now I’m imagining some more sinister WWII-like medical experiment, where you want me literally liquidated and drank through a straw!
I don’t recall any racial slurs to the Japanese, but I could be mistaken. Robert usually doesn’t tolerate that kind of thing, sockpuppet or not. He banned someone rather summarily the other day for calling Filipinos the [N-word]s of Asia. I think he would ban anybody else who said the same or similar about the Japanese or a Japanese poster.
OK, I’m leaving now, before this devolves into “I know you are, but what am I?!”
Dear Robert, please do not ban Aceface,
Sincerely,
wjk
Wait, from what I have heard, this site totally condones racist remarks aimed toward Japanese, but will ban you at the drop of a hat if you try to give the Korean trolls a taste of their own medicine. Is this true?
I am sure that if South Koreans did not demand that half of Liaoning and Jilin Provinces should be part of Korea, China would be a lot more friendly.
Everyone knows that China does not want Korea unified under a Korea that looks at Jilin and Liaoning like Mexico looks at Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.
Gee, cause Americans know that Mexico’s long term policy is to breed out the Anglos in those states and then have them return under Mexican rule.
Unlike the US, China is not blind to what its’ long term threats are, and thus not afraid to deal with reality.
Even the news is “made in China” – defective and fabricated.
There’s nothing real that can be expected out of that country.
“I am sure that if South Koreans did not demand that half of Liaoning and Jilin Provinces should be part of Korea, China would be a lot more friendly.”
That’s mostly hot air. Most Koreans don’t take that seriously. It’s mostly used to counter China’s Northeast Asian history project which incorporates the entire Korean peninsula into Chinese historical territory. Just like Koreans claiming Daemado (Tsushima), as retaliation against Japan for Dokdo.
Shunyata: “Oh yes, if you haven’t noticed, Mizar5 is another troll.”
That wasn’t very nice, was it?
I think the Chinese govt’s slowly and quietly moving popular feeling to a certain place, ‘slowly and systematically’ as a commentator above described it. What place is that? A place where the Chinese population enthusiastically supports a potentially bloody invasion and occupation of North Korea. A nuclear weapons exchange couldn’t be ruled out in that scenario.
The Chinese govt has been monitoring and stamping out the spark of dissent for 25 years now, aware that its position is unstable. They are not going to start any foreign adventures without the solid backing of its people.
Doubtful that this is the beginning of a Chinese stratagem for the Korean peninsula. More likely, Chinese netizens, like their Korean counterparts, are fiercely nationalistic, defensive and probably in their late twenties still living with their parents.
‘Chinese netizens, who are once again slamming Korea and Koreans for trying to steal Chinese culture.’
Koreans can be accused of many things (rightly or wrongly), but not of this.
Chinese. What a bunch of tools!
The last sentence could have “China” and “Korea” switched to “Korea” and “Japan” and still be true.
soondae: “‘Chinese netizens, who are once again slamming Korea and Koreans for trying to steal Chinese culture.’ Koreans can be accused of many things (rightly or wrongly), but not of this.”
Would you object less to the term “appropriate” than “steal” to describe the innumerable cultural aquisitions from China, including Chan (sun) Buddism, musical instruments, visual arts, pottery, food, written language, Confucism, architecture…?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Chinese tour group guides to Gyeongbokkung proudly point out architectural and ceremonial similarities to the condescending snickers of their guests.
I don’t think the term “appropriate” is appropriate either. More like “influenced” (hey maybe we should give back what we stole?).
In wave after wave, a big chunk of Korean genetics came from the various tribes from the mainland (way before China was unified or before it became a modern nation as we know it today). It’s not totally outrageous to say that a lot of what is now the Chinese culture, came over. It is also part of Korea’s culture.
“and probably in their late twenties still living with their parents.”
You can’t use that to determine if these fellas are losers. It’s customary and normal in East Asia for the kids to live with the parents until they get married.
Tmartin, these people don’t have alot but they are concerted. In Mexico they live on about ten to fifteen dollars a day, but they are all together on the great secret taking back of the American Southwest.
Oh, you forgot about SoCal. They’re already the majority there. What the hell, the names are already in place, eh?
“Chinese tour group guides to Gyeongbokkung proudly point out architectural and ceremonial similarities to the condescending snickers of their guests.”
That’s hardly fair. Chinese at some point need to understand although their ancestors originated a lot of the culture in East Asia, it isn’t exclusively theirs. If the Roman Empire didn’t fall and Roman tourists came to visit Washington D.C., I’m sure they would say the same things. How the Roman architecture of the White House and Capital Building are just poor imitations of the Pantheon or Colosseum.
When I was ten, growing up in Chula Vista, I was already the minority cabron. My first three girlfriends were Patti Garcia, Cynthia Castro and Regina Morales. That was forty years ago. I liked it then and I like it now. California has been dominated by Hispanics since I can remember. Eliminate the Mexican flavor and you diminish what California is.
This great plot that you’re talking about is not a new phenomena. It is what it is. If you don’t like it, there’s always North Dakota.
cm:”I don’t think the term “appropriate” is appropriate either. More like “influenced” (hey maybe we should give back what we stole?).”
No, much of it was directly imported.
Buddhism for example was just taken from China. Of course Bodhidharma (Korean: Dal Ma) supposedly brought Mahayana over from India, but there it developed into Chan which was distinctly Chinese. Korean and Japanese went there to study and brought it back to their respective countries as Sun and Zen.
When Hallyu started in China, the forums were full of admiration about Korea/korean stars. Than, all of a sudden, postings about Korea stealing chinese culture start to appear. It really looks organised. Now such crappy postings start to appear on weekly basis, worst, they r getting crappier. Even chinese netizen r now asking themselves wheter those stuff r real.
The prob in China is that media&information access r strictly controlled. So most ppl rely on internet forums cos they r supposed to be freer & less controlled. Postings appear in forums r being accepted as facts with much less scepticism.
Korea really needs a better marketing strategy for itself.
Although, the way Korea behaved lately isnt really helping.
Jet Li is in yet another Hai-ya, dialogue-less movie.
It’s called a Mummy sequel.
I thought I heard some bullshit about “Jet Li’s last martial art epic, ever”, couple years ago.
Chinese guys, please stop.
Please?
William Hung et al, you are simply stereotyping us.
This controversy reminds of a story I heard from a Japanese soldier stationed in China during the occupation. He was a Sinophile and was dedicated to helping the Chinese people out with the whole co-prosperity sphere thing. Apparently Korean conscripts felt superior to the Chinese and would frequently beat them just for fun. Most of the Japanese soldiers would look the other way or even encourage them. He was so po’d by the Koreans, he just had to beat them time to time to show them what pan-Asian compassion was all about.
It paid off. When the PLA was assassinating Japanese officers in the area, he was left alone. After he surrendered to the Americans he was charged with war crimes but the locals testified on his behalf in droves.
I like his story because it shows how everybody gets their licks in but no one comes out on top. It’s an axis of nationalistic co-dependency that seems to play well to the home crowd, so why give it up?
Question…what’s the objective in stirring Chinese nationalism against S. Koreans? Usually it’s done towards a rival nation, but S. Korea should have fallen off that radar a long time ago.
It’s preparation for taking over North Korea.
Anti-Koreanism in China is pure internet populism perpetuated by and for Chinese netizens.
#66: “Anti-Koreanism in China is pure internet populism perpetuated by and for Chinese netizens.”
I would find it comforting if it were limited to Netizens, Sonagi, but the Xin Kuai Bao is a printed newspaper, isn’t it? One link I saw even called it the local party paper in Guangzhou.
An agenda in the Chinese press can be dismissed no more easily than it can within the Korean press. But whose agenda is it and what is it?
One thing I’ve noticed with mainland Chinese posters is that they like to quote information without giving ANY reference or links. Their attitude is that they’re doing you a favor to even bother posting the info, and if you don’t believe it, that’s your problem.
This creates a situation were it’s very easy for trolls to spread false rumors. Until the Chinese netizens evolve and start demanding references and citations, the situation is not likely to change.
Remember the fake article about Japenese buying expensive dogs that were really lambs. Hate to admit it, but that one had me going for a while.
@user81:
Xinkuaibao is a printed paper, and even if it’s a local government rag, that doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy to whip up anti-Korean sentiment. It’s a Guangdong paper, which has to compete with the wild and wooly press across the border in Hong Kong, and the emperor is far away in Beijing.
@Sonagi re #72:
It is not smoking gun evidence, you’re right. But hasn’t Xinkuaibao started to show a pattern? This is not like getting tricked into running a fake AP story like the Japanese lambs story, it’s them running fake inflammatory news they created themselves. Do you think Beijing has no overseers who tell them that even in high competition this kind of news is not at all okay? Doesn’t Beijing notice this kind of lie making people angry and they say stop? If something similar were happening in Korea, Japan, America, or Taiwan then I would suspect a government agenda behind it.
What is considered Modern China?
post desecration or desacratization of the Emperor of China, I believe.
The Han were quick to abandone this waegookin, Pu Yi.
if I’m not wrong, the Emperor of China, the Emperor of Japan were like gods to people. Worshipped like present day Kim Jong Il.
This is twisted, but outside of the Korean sphere, Kim Jong Il is not only the most famous Kim in the world, but also the most famous Korean in the world. Because he is such an unbelievable idiot.
Mao Zedong set back progress in many nations in East Asia.
The Chinese shall pay for that. That is my wish.
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Kind of like how the American press created a fictitious Iraqi terrorist who mailed anthrax containing fictitious amounts of bentonite.
hardyandtiny: From historical perspective, that would be the Republican Era of 1911 onwards, when slavery, foot binding, and concubinage were abolished; and vernacular Chinese replacing classical Chinese in 1920s.
From economic reform perspective, that would be 1979 onwards. Agricultural Household responsibility system, open door policy, dual track pricing, spinning off SOE’s, moving from planned economy to mixed, and on to market economy, etc.
Doesn’t a nuclear weapons ‘exchange’ require more than one nuclear-capable country? So far, all North Korea has managed to pull off was one test which was in all likelihood a dud.
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