Hey, Who Took My Opening Ceremony?

Three years of secrecy, closed rehersals, three rings of checkpoints, participants required to sign confidentiality agreement- all for naught. 

SBS has played spoiler and has released video footage from a South Korean television crew that filmed a dress rehearsal of the show earlier this week at the massive Bird’s Nest national stadium.  This represents the first video leak from a show so closely guarded that cast and crew were required to sign confidentiality agreements.

Per an ABC article:

The Beijing Organizing Committee of the Olympic Games (BOCOG) was furious, saying that the filming was unauthorized.

“We are disappointed and frustrated with the broadcast by SBS,” Beijing Olympics committee spokesman Sun Weide said at a press conference today.

And in Chinese blogsphere:

Online Chinese media reacted with strong disapproval. The popular Web portal Sohu.com ran a headline stating, “SBS Has Lost the Face of [embarrassed] Korea.”

A poll on the same Web site revealed that 88.6 percent of participants felt that the recording “was inconsiderate and they should be punished accordingly.”

“How did the Korean pigs get in? Someone should be held responsible to the people of China,” a blogger posted on Sina.com.

“Korean people just love stealing things from China,” vented another.”If this is real, then the Koreans are just too disgraceful,” said one user on the Qiluzutan discussion board.

Tried to find the video online, but looks like Liveleak and Youtube has taken it off…

Update
The video is up at the TimesOnline site here.  (HT to GyopoTim)

93 Comments

  1. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    My personal opinion? Bad call SBS… very bad call.

  2. GyopoTim your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    I have to say, the comments on youtube were pure chinese classic before they pulled it off…

  3. GyopoTim your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:13 am | Permalink

    Leaked Vid. Here
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....435773.ece

  4. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    why is the Olympics so important to them?

    that’s rich of them, when they are internationally known as the most remorseless copycats

  5. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Oh great, just great. It’s another thing they need now - a row with the Chinese, on top of the one that they just had with US and Japan. Somebody just take some duck tape to the Korean media and just shut her up. There’s been enough embarrassment as it is.

  6. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    Regardless of hilarious Chinese netizen responses, SBS PDs should’ve known better. A gigantic dick move on their part.

  7. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    “Korean people just love stealing things from China,”

    Give me a freaking break. When it comes to stealing stuff, there is no equal that comes close to the Chinese. Not even close. And no, make believe “Korean theft” like Koreans allegedly stealing Chairman Mao, doesn’t count.

    Regardless, what those bastards at SBS did was stoopid and classless beyond belief. If the Chinese requested those responsible to be turned over to be lynched, I’m sure nobody would mind.

  8. virtual wonderer your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    I look at this event pretty positively. SBS screwed up. They claim they weren’t told. Hard to believe this. Hopefully Chinese will take putative steps by stop importing South Korean dramas from SBS—hit them hard in the wallet.

    Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for SBS to act responsibly.

  9. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:45 am | Permalink

    “stop importing South Korean dramas from SBS—hit them hard in the wallet.”

    You’re not up to date. Chinese government last year stopped all dramas from South Korea being shown on national TV. The shows circulating in China currently are all illegal downloads or illegal copies. The so called “Hanryu” economically benefited the Chinese way more than the Koreans.

  10. Maddlew your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    They stole the top-secret opening ceremony rehearsals! Oh my God! Hold on a second…Yaaawwwn.
    This was going to be the best olympics, ever. Now look what you’ve donek Korea. Before it was going to be a stadium full of Chinese politely clapping for other countries teams then declaring nuclear war on themselves in celebratory glee every time a countryman won. Now, well now it’s going to be the same thing but with a predictable opening ceremony.

  11. Jing your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    South Korean dramas are still being broadcast in China. I have the Chinese language satellite package from Dish and occassionally I run into one.

  12. Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    It would be interesting if someone could translate, how shall I say, the more “colorful” commentary that’s being expressed by Chinese netizens.

    Sonagi?

  13. Netizen Kim your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:18 am | Permalink

    Is it just me or was anyone else slightly reminded of the footages of the Arirang mass games?

  14. seouldout your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    If anti-PRC is high enough Korea may win some kudos (from Westerners) for pissing off the hosts and spoiling the opening of the $40 billion show of shows.

    Me? I like brouhahas. The bigger the better. Especially when feelings are hurt…and people are vengeful. Are the Chinese as nutty as the Koreans to present us a sideshow to go along w/ our Olympic viewing?

  15. Devil's Advocate your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Show me the self-righteous/moralistic, and I will show a hypocrite. That said, SBS (read: Koreans) got some balls–or is clueless. I tend to think the latter.

  16. Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    It wouldn’t suprise me if it was similar to the Arirang mass games. However, the Chinese view North Korean style arena exhibitions with a little distain.

    Parody of it here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_IZe5rUHCw

    But… one youtuber thought as much:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdDVY2-upqI

  17. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know what happened during other Olympics? Anything similar happened where the opening ceremonies are shown prior to the games?

  18. Devil's Advocate your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    But SBS did the right thing to air it, as any other lucky broadcaster would have done. China, or whoever is in charge of its olympics ceremony, should have done a better job of security–heads must roll.

  19. nicknows your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    I guess China going to look for a way to mistakenly cut the media feeds of all the live “sport” events Korea will be involved in…not that I want to watch handball, pistol shooting, archery, clay disc shooting, and other fringe sports that Korea does so well in yet no one really cares about…

    But it would be funny (interesting and ironic) if it happen.

  20. Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Nick, I would just limit those media feed mishaps to SBS… since they are the only ones who are accountable for their actions. Can’t blame Korea for what one private network did just as you can’t blame the U.S. as a whole for what ABC or NBC did.

  21. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    “Are the Chinese as nutty as the Koreans to present us a sideshow to go along w/ our Olympic viewing?”

    Years ago I drew a sharp distinction between the two peoples. But with the economic emergence of the Chinese today, it apprears that they are little different from Koreans. Of course this is based on a very limited sample but recent events highlighted here and in the media at least make it appear that they much share the the Korean culture’s “chal nan jeok” attitude and jingoism.

  22. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Mizar,

    It’s important to realize that both China and Korea feel as if they have been humiliated by colonial powers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and have been unfairly invaded by an unwelcomed and very brutal conqueror in the early 20th.

    Also, both nations feel as if they were on the apex of civilization for most of their histories until the aforementioned times.

    In other words, both have a HUGE inferiority AND superiority complex underneath the surface and certain things really brings that boiling resentment to the top…

    It’s not an excuse, but an explanation. If you are going to criticize, I think it’s important to understand and appreciate the explanation before you attack the excuse… :)

  23. Dweji your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    “It’s important to realize that both China and Korea feel as if they have been humiliated by colonial powers…
    Also, both nations feel as if they were on the apex of civilization for most of their histories until the aforementioned times.”

    WangKon,

    I agree exactly with what you say. However, the infernce one can draw from this statement is that China was basically a pompous and arrogant neighborhood bully who thought that he ruled the block and heavens for centuries without having ever had the need to show the muscle to prove it. Then, the new kid on the block, Japan and later the US, who China deemed as younger, inferior, and weaker suddenly showed up China and totally humiliated him by kicking his ass all over the pavement. If that is the case, then the description basically paints China as the arrogant bully who probably deserved to be humiliated and put in place. Is that right?

    Korea’s place in this scheme of things is sort of weird. In the situation analogy that I describe above and according to your definition, Korea is not anywhere near the rank or position of China, but more like China’s lackey or servant who basically kowtows to China and believes that just by association, he is in the same rank as China in the neighbood block bully scheme. Kind of like the head gangster’s small and intrinsically weak sidekick who has a mouth that is bigger than the boss himself and loves to talk trash at opponents under the reassurance that the boss will always “protect” him under his wing.

  24. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    “…loves to talk trash at opponents under the reassurance that the boss will always “protect” him under his wing.”

    Yeah… That’s basicly how it was during the Imjin War. As Chinese troop levels increased, Chosun’s letters to Hideyoshi got increasingly bolder.

    But anyways, my point wasn’t to discuss the position of one over or in relation to another, my point was to discuss why the two nations respond in such xenophobic and “over the top” manner.

  25. JohnT your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    SBS strikes again. Why are they such assholes?

  26. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    WangGun, while I certainly understand and acknowledge these factors, I believe the cultural similarities don’t end there. But I believe there are important differences as well.

    My sincere hope is that the Chinese will act in a more civilized manner than Koreans given their scope and power. Given all the hoop la la over Dok Do, one wonders how haughty and ugly Korea might behave if it had any power on the world stage. This is why it’s a truly frightening thought to equate the Chinese with the Koreans.

    For instance, the way that young Chinese rationalize their subjugation of Tibet, something unthinkable in the West, is truly chilling. Like some of the birdbrains one sees posting on this blog, they commit such eggregious fallacies as equating Tibet to the US Westward expansion ignoring the fact that this is not an analogous situation and deflecting focus from the fact that this is the 21st century when such acts are simply inexcusable.By contrast, the Japanese, who have acknowledged their crimes, lack the might of the Chinese empire and are generally circumspect are not viewed as a danger.

    Nonetheless, China is not Korea, and one doesn’t see the excesses and political bickering there that one does in North and South Korea. They do not have a culture of protest and, while self-interested, they are generally thought to be patient, circumspect and strategic, unlike Koreans who are so busy self destructing that they are generally thought to have already peaked and in the midst of a general decline.

    What I am suggesting is that the similarities between the Chinese and Koreans are mitigated by the greater wisdom, vision and accumen of the Chinese, as well as scale that will enable them to proactively contribute to the world community, rather than fall victim to the reactive victim mentality that retards Korean culture.

  27. user-81 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    My first thought was that this was a shitty thing to do by SBS. Then I realized that this was what Good Morning America was talking about this morning with the Korean sneak video when I was brushing my teeth.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5489711

    And then I saw that not only GMA but other news agencies are also showing what SBS showed. When SBS did it, it was sneaky but then it became newsworthy for the other news agencies, so it was still sort of a shitty thing for SBS to do.

    But now I’m also thinking how did SBS ruin a 50-min show by showing half a minute of it as part of a story on the excitement of Olympic preparations? Now I’m thinking that this is going to stimulate interest in the opening and maybe get people to watch it who wouldn’t have.

    And I also was thinking it looks like the Arirang mass games.

  28. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Yeah… but I still think that the Chinese audience at the games will throw their dried squid stacks and their Pocari Sweat cans at the South Koreans during the march of the national teams…

  29. user-81 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    I hope they do.

  30. R. Elgin your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    . . . I also was thinking it looks like the Arirang mass games.

    Who is imitating who? There is more than a little coincidence therein and is right up there with those Nazi-theme night clubs.

  31. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Yeah… the Germans were the original Arirang Mass Gamers.

  32. globalvillageidiot your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    I suspect the Olympic Opening Ceremony appeals to the many of the same people - casual at best sports fans - who watch the Super Bowl for the halftime show.

  33. Dweji your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    I seriously wonder whether or not Koreans actually realize that when they look at the immature and ridiculous Chinese nationalists in action, they are actually looking at themselves through American, Japanese, and European eyes.

  34. basilides your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Nice! South Koreans have managed to tick off the Americans, the Japanese, and now the Chinese (and they are burning with rage at the moment over this). Next stop: the Rooskies. Koreans are well on their way toward becoming the world’s most annoying ethnic group.

  35. chris your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    I think most other news outlets would have had the brains not to do something like this. I think SBS will find that reporting from China will become more difficult. I think China won’t in anyway help SBS at all and may even do things to hinder their reporting.

  36. Maximus your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    “Koreans are well on their way toward becoming the world’s most annoying ethnic group.”

    Wait: aren’t they there yet??? I cannot think about any other group such annoying…

  37. ergnus your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    I think it was a great scoop for SBS. That’s what journalists are supposed to do –get the news that interests people.

    What’s amazing about this is how quickly they cowed under to the Chinese Olympic leaders by taking the report off their web site.

    For two months, South Korean journalists (led by MBC, of course, not SBS) distorted and twisted the safety of the U.S. beef industry, portraying most data and experts that contradicted their narrative as in the tank of the Lee administration and U.S. industry. There was no stopping the repetition of images of scary downer cattle and dirty slaughterhouses.

    But in less than 24 hours after the SBS report, BOCOG and Chinese nationalists landed so hard on SBS that it yanked the video and even has posters at Marmot thinking that free journalists should cower for daring to reveal the rehearsal of an event most people will forget shortly after it’s over.

    That’s power.

  38. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Maximus,

    Everybody’s got their favorites. For the Americans it’s Pashtun speakers in Pakistan. For Russians it’s the Chechens, for French it’s North Africans who live in Paris, for…

  39. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Hub of Journalistic Ethics.

    Might this brouhaha, plus the beef fiasco, plus the Dokdo nonsense, negatively affect Busan’s 2020 Olympic bid? One can dream…

  40. virtual wonderer your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    cm, wuh, so it finally happened huh? I’m surprised, because I still see news of Korean celebrities going to China for publicity. maybe i am looking at old news…

  41. Siddhartha your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    No doubt, SBS fucked up to get themself in trouble with China. They end up raising the interest of opening ceremony but will not get any credit for it… As far as suggestion to translate comments from Chinese netizens, let’s not bring the standard of this blog down please..besides both Chinese and Korean netizens check each other and report what is being said anyway. As I said to Pawi in the past, Gaolibangzhi and Jjange are no different!!

    I don’t feel like taking Mizar on Tibet today but important fact must be understood first, China just like any other secular country will not allow religion dictate their law. There is a separation of Church and State here in the U.S so please don’t expect China to be any different. Then again because of the shear number in Chinese population, anything come out of there is news worthy and I could not agree it is a scary thought that it has impact!!

    China is countries within the country so if there is any similarity to Korean for those who try to figure it out. IMO the northeast Chinese come to closest since both have passionate 熱血, loyalty 重義氣and generous 大氣 characteristic that make a close friend. But as group, both have tendencies of infighting, sloppy and thus difficulty to deal in business. I could never able to collect payment from both groups on time..

  42. Sonagi your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I don’t feel like taking Mizar on Tibet today but important fact must be understood first, China just like any other secular country will not allow religion dictate their law. There is a separation of Church and State here in the U.S so please don’t expect China to be any different.

    Uh, China is different. There is no separation of church and state in China. To the contrary, the Chinese government outlaws participation in organized religious groups not recognized by the state and goes even further in requiring religious leaders to be chosen or at least approved by the government. This is an obstacle to unification between the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Church because the latter, rightly, does not think secular government officials are fit to choose or approve religious leaders. And let’s not forget how the real Panchen Lama disappeared and a Chinese government handpicked replacement was put on the throne.

  43. Siddhartha your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Sonagi,

    Of course it is different..I was pointing Tibetian’s wish for their way of life will not fly under any secular country even in the U.S. That is a fact!!

  44. NES your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    This statement might be going beyond the pale, something I’m not known for at “the hole” :D , but that was such an MBC thing for SBS to do.

  45. Bipolar Mindscrew your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    36/Maximus: WASP Americans.

    Most countries have networks that compete for exclusive coverage of the games. Will SBS lose it’s exclusive broadcast rights? Did they shoot themselves in the foot so easily? If not, then there is more here than meets the eye and maybe this video was leaked deliberately…

  46. NES your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    @10 Maddlew

    ROFLMAOPMP!!!

  47. NES your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    @26 Mizar

    “Nonetheless, China is not Korea, and one doesn’t see the excesses and political bickering there that one does in North and South Korea. They do not have a culture of protest and, while self-interested, they are generally thought to be patient, circumspect and strategic, unlike Koreans who are so busy self destructing that they are generally thought to have already peaked and in the midst of a general decline.”

    Uh, China is a fascist (”communist”) state. They don’t protest or bicker because it’s harmful to their health. Put them in South Korea with an Olympic torch passing by, and we saw what happened. Do the Norks really have a lot of political bickering? Examples please. I thought kji is the law.

  48. Kalani your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Have the Chinese taken any punitive action against SBS — like banning it from covering the Olympics? If there is no substantive penalty the Chinese are going to levy — despite the Chinese netizen outrage — then so what on this whole issue?

  49. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    “and one doesn’t see the excesses and political bickering there that one does in North and South Korea. They do not have a culture of protest”

    Of course, not. They don’t politically bicker because they are a one party system. If they start bickering, they end up in prison or dead. And of course they don’t have a culture of protest. If they did, they’d end up in prison or dead. Not only that, the Chinese government controls all information. They decide what to show and what not to show. They would try to hide the protests even if there was one.

    Now I’ve heard of everything..

  50. Englishman your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    While a bit off-topic, I predict that Koreans - athletes & fans alike - will get booed & taunted throughout the Olympics (wouldn’t be surprised if this happens right from the beginning w/ the opening ceremony). As a football fan, I remember back in 2004 Asian Cup (which was held in China), Chinese supporters would attend all Korean matches during the tournament just to boo the side, throw objects into the pitch, etc. I also remember in a Manchester United Asia tour few years back in which the Chinese booed Park Ji Sung every time he had the possession. Ugly displays of nationalism, but then Koreans aren’t any better IMO… oh well. Really curious to see the Chinese treatment towards Koreans, Japanese, & the Taiwanese.

  51. Sonagi your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    @#47, 49:

    Chinese DO protest and bicker. There are an estimated 10,000 illegal demonstrations a year. Ringleaders and some participants are beaten, arrested, and jailed, but state-sponsored violence doesn’t deter angry Chinese from gathering to make their voices heard.

  52. Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Hey, is it just me, or are we somehow overlooking the fact that SBS — which actually got a decent scoop — moved pretty damn fast to take the offending stuff down once Chinese Olympic officials got pissed off. One should think their Joseon ancestors would have been proud…

  53. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    #50, yeah, but the latest protest that I heard, had scores of dead protesting Chinese (who were protesting a corrupt police who protected a murder because he was some government official’s son) after the police shot at them.

    I understand that’s more acceptable and civilized than the Candlelight protests in Korea.

  54. Tripod your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Payback for this:

    http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=GPIpK_PrevI

  55. Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    True… but the damage is done.

    Someone’s got the mpeg for it and it’s already in cyberspace.

    However, it’s not ALOT of show either. It does sorta look like a trailer or sorts to the opening ceremony, not a spoiler. So… at the end of the day it may generate more interest in it than less.

    However, I’m sure Chinese Netizens are still fuming and heads are rolling over at the governing bodies…

  56. Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    But then I can see the other side too. I mean, how would Korea feel if someone released shots of the opening ceremonies for the 1988 Olympics and/or the 2002 World Cup a week or two beforehand?

    I’m sure Koreans would be pissed. Getting ready for an opening ceremony for something like the Olympics and/or World Cup is a big freak’in deal and takes TONS of work, years of preparation and you are trying to wow the world… it’s harder to wow the world when someone steals your thunder right? Add to the fact that China, like Korea back in 1988, is viewing the Olympics as it’s coming out party… a chance to show the world that it’s an up and comer… and that it’s a modern and powerful country. China has had a lot of bloody noses the past two years, first tainted food made in China, then Tibet and then the earthquake. It wants to put it’s best foot forward.

    So in my opinion, I think the Chinese have a right to be mad, but they shouldn’t be mad for long. It wasn’t a lot that was revealed and in the end it may mean more eyeballs on more screens on 8/8/08.

  57. Sonagi your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    The netizens are fuming, and they won’t forget either. “Stealing” scenes from the opening ceremony will be added to the list of things Korea has “stolen” from China.

  58. Won Joon Choe your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Wow, it must be a huge news in China. It’s the biggest front page news on China Daily today, for instance:

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/index.html

  59. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    And here’s the list that Korea stole from China:

    1) Danwoo holiday
    2) Mao Ze Tung
    3) Confucius
    4) Great Wall of China
    5) Chinese writing (Hanzi)
    6) Gengis Khan
    7) Mt. Changbai
    8) Soy milk
    9) Printing press

    10) Hancheng (Chinese netizens are angered because Koreans had the nerve to change their capital city to “Seoul”)

    11) Olympic ceremony

    and now,

    12) Dr. Sun Yet Sen.

    I’m sure there’s more. Can anyone add to this list? LOL.

  60. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    13) Koguryo/Kando/Manchuria

  61. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    And the funniest comment on this thread reward goes to..

    Mizar5 with this classic:

    “What I am suggesting is that the similarities between the Chinese and Koreans are mitigated by the greater wisdom, vision and accumen of the Chinese,”

    Hillarious.

  62. NES your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    @50 sonagi

    But we need the numbers in protesters per capita for different countries to get a real sense of it.

    What about the Norks?

  63. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    “… are mitigated by the greater wisdom, vision and accumen of the Chinese…”

    Spoken like a true Mandarin bureaucrat from the Ming Dynasty.

  64. NES your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @55 WangKon

    “China…is viewing the Olympics as it’s coming out party… a chance to show the world that it’s an up and comer…”

    크크크 ^^

  65. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    or…

    13) Koguryo / Gaoguli
    14) Parhae / Bohai
    15) Chosun / Chaoxian
    16) Kando
    17) Majin / Manchuria

  66. NES your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    @60 cm

    Mizar does a great stand-up act.

  67. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    18) Jajangmyung / Zhajiang mian
    19) Hanbok / Hanfu

    Hummmmm… what else?

  68. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah….

    20) Turtle ship / Eagle ship (鹰船)

  69. Seoulchild your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Oh, come on! Even if it was a dick move by SBS, doesn’t anyone else think that the lax security should receive the brunt of the blame? With all the expected VIPs at the opening ceremony, I would think that that would be the most important issue here, not some 2-minute clip.

  70. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    So it was a brief 2 minute clip. I thought it was the entire show.

  71. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Oh… and 21) Jurchen Ching Dynasty per http://www.chinahistoryforum.c.....opic=13896

    That’s all I have…

  72. Duna your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    IT’s a shame that SBS did such a disgraful thing. Let’s hope they get proper punishement. SBS should have the common senses, repect the rules and show respect to others. That’s not the right way to do business and to deal with people.

    And Chinese people are furious at SBS, I think it’s quite understandable.
    Pardon my English.

  73. cm your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Chinese people are furious at SBS or at all Koreans? Probably the latter.

  74. GyopoTim your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    lol… respect the rules and others… what an irony…

  75. Posted August 1, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    IT’s a shame that SBS did such a disgraful thing. Let’s hope they get proper punishement. SBS should have the common senses, repect the rules and show respect to others. That’s not the right way to do business and to deal with people.

    Respect the rules and show respect to others? Like in running riot and assaulting locals, foreigners and law enforcement personnel in the heart of a foreign capital?

  76. ta your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Has this news even made the news (or some hullabaloo) in the Korean media at all?
    If not - then weird, news in the rest of the world, but not in Korea.

  77. Ut videam your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Respect the rules and show respect to others? Like in running riot and assaulting locals, foreigners and law enforcement personnel in the heart of a foreign capital?

    But they were following the rules—the Chinese Embassy’s rules.

  78. Duna your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @ 75,
    Criticise wrongdoings where it deserves criticisms and give credit where it’s due.
    How come some hot-headed Chinese students’ bad can justify SBS’s wrongdoing here?
    I really don’t get it.

  79. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    NES:”Do the Norks really have a lot of political bickering? Examples please. I thought kji is the law.”

    Oh I was just musing aloud, fishing for informative responses such as yours. Thank you.

  80. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    cm:”And the funniest comment on this thread reward goes to..Mizar5 with this classic: ‘What I am suggesting is that the similarities between the Chinese and Koreans are mitigated by the greater wisdom, vision and accumen of the Chinese’ Hillarious.”

    Thank you! Always glad to add to the general levity. I hope you can savor that chuckle as China continues to erase Korea’s economic gains.

  81. Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Thank you! Always glad to add to the general levity. I hope you can savor that chuckle as China continues to erase Korea’s economic gains.

    You cannot arrogate to China the erasure of Korea’s economic gains. Koreans themselves are doing that.

  82. Posted August 2, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    # 80,

    Mizar… I expected better from you. Don’t you know that historically… Korean’s economy does better when China is at its height? Case in point… zenith of Tang dynasty… zenith of Unified Silla… zenith of Song Dynasty… prosperity and stability in Koryo… Repeated w/Ming and Chosun.

    Less so w/Ching and later Chosun due to devastation from the Imjin Waeran and the Jurchen invasions.

  83. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Sorry, WangKon, but you cannot tell the direction of a boat by looking back at its wake, especially a wake that is so old. I’m afraid it’s a bold new world, and I’m with Brendon Carr on this one. Of course, I’m watching the wake too, but the wake of more recent events that shows Korea losing ground as China gains. Given the generally deplorable state of the relationships among these Asian nations, I don’t believe Korea can remain relevent to China for very long.

  84. cm your flag
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Agreed that Koreans are shooting their own feet.

    But the US has the same problem vis a vie with China (if it is really a problem). I don’t think the Americans are in a position to be sitting on top and looking down. They owe China a trillion dollars and counting. Look for China to gain more leverage on the US politically as they gain strength while the US stumbles and falters.

  85. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Agreed, cm. Maybe Obama can make a difference, eh?

  86. user-81 your flag
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    “South Korea has emerged as perhaps the largest single source of foreign investment in China, making $6.25 billion in fixed investments there last year, according to data from the Chinese Ministry of Commerce.”

    http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....invest.php

    “According to the statistics from the South Korea, there are at least 40,000 South Korean companies investing in China with an accumulated investment of about $100 billion. Established in 1993, the South Korea Chamber of Commerce now has 6,000 members.”

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/b.....787090.htm

  87. Posted August 2, 2008 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    Exactly U-81.

    Koreans, throughout history, due to their geographic proximity and ability to navigate within Chinese culture, find a way to take advantage of economic prosperity in China.

    Korea’s struggles to adjust to Chinese competition right now is a short term adjustment in my opinion. But by and large, they will eventually find a way to accommodate Chinese growth, as Koreans, throughout history, always have.

    And I agree with what Brendon is saying. Korea’s economic problems are not due to China, but a lot of the problems are from the Koreans themselves.

  88. Posted August 2, 2008 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    Wow, the footage was up and down in a matter of hours. It’s taken over three months for that PD Diary retraction on Mad Cow.

  89. mizar5 your flag
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    It is true that South Korea is a prime beneficiary of China’s economy right now.

    Seven countries are among both China’s top exporters and top importers. Of those, China exports more than it imports from three countries and is therefore in a surplus position with:

    United States = +$114.2 ($162.9-$48.7)
    Germany = +$1.8 ($32.5-$30.7)
    Singapore = +$0.1 ($16.6-$16.5)

    The four major trading partners from which China buys more than it sells to are:

    Taiwan = -$58.1 ($16.6-$74.7)
    South Korea = -$41.7 ($35.1-$76.8)
    Japan = -$16.5 ($84.0-$100.5)
    Russia = -$2.7 ($13.2-$15.9)

    The question is how long this will last. What is the nature of those imports and investments? Will the state nationalize them? With China now the world’s magnet for investment, how long will it be before they produce as many high end goods as Korea and turn to Japan, Germany and others for capital goods?

  90. Janus your flag
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Gee and it couldn’t have happened to a country more dedicated to the protection of intellectual property rights.

    Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it China…

  91. Posted August 6, 2008 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    I love Sunny Lee’s take on stuff.

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww.....28838.html

    Best quote from the article:

    “For the Chinese government, it wasn’t too bad an accident. Prior to the leak, the Chinese government had been facing mounting criticisms from the foreign media on the air quality in Beijing. Now, people are paying all their attention to SBS.”

  92. Siddhartha your flag
    Posted August 6, 2008 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Wang,
    SBS in now as Sar-Bi-Station in China. “Sar-Bi” is slang equivalen to stupid ass.

    Adjusting to growth of China I must say depends on how ROK play its card with US as well..IMHO perhaps maybe perhaps ROK should note what Taiwan is doing by staying status quo out of political reality also pratical matter to get benefits from both US and China..then again Korea nationalism and economic protectism are way too powerful to allow ROK to do the right thing!!

  93. Posted August 8, 2008 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Looks like the Middle Kingdom struck back…

    http://www.voanews.com/english.....-voa46.cfm

    http://www.voanews.com/english.....-voa46.cfm

    SBS won’t be allowed to have cameras at the opening ceremony…

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