You know, I never knew the pheasant was the national bird of Japan.
For those counting, a total of nine pheasants bought the farm in the protest.
One wonders if this will spark memorial demonstrations like the ones for the live pig that got quartered in Yongsan.
UPDATE: Oh, the unintended ironies:
You see,there is unintended irony here.
The Korean nationalists are killing Common pheasant(Phasianus colchicus),and it’s name in Japan is Kourai-kijiコウライキジ meaning “Korean Pheasant”.The natonal bird of Japan is Green Pheasant(Phasianidae versicolor),a subspecies of Common pheasant only seen in Japan.
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We have really funny neigbors, I must say.
Putting what I’ve already posted on Japan Probe….
You see,there is unintended irony here.
The Korean nationalists are killing Common pheasant(Phasianus colchicus),and it’s name in Japan is Kourai-kijiコウライキジ meaning “Korean Pheasant”.
The natonal bird of Japan is Green Pheasant(Phasianidae versicolor),a subspecies of Common pheasant only seen in Japan.
@1
Yeah. When will they learn to just keep quiet and go home to have sex with their robot…
@2
But it’s the thought that counts.
And that robot has to be “No.1 in Japan”,Right?
Probably works well with that condorm…
“@1
Yeah. When will they learn to just keep quiet and go home to have sex with their robot…”
No, seriously the Korean should learn to just keep quiet. The more they make fuzz about Dokdo, the more louder they yell Dokdo is our territory, the more the world will recognize it as a sign THAT actually there is a terrtiroal dispute between Japan and Korea.
Men, somebody must inform all the Korean politicians, the hysterical mass media, and the Dokdo ryders that what they are doing is basicly shooting on their own asses.
They are doing a big favor for the Japanese “right”.
I am damn sure that the fishermen of the Shimane prefecture are very happy.
“The natonal bird of Japan is Green Pheasant(Phasianidae versicolor),a subspecies of Common pheasant only seen in Japan.”
Now we have the latest and most objective evidence that even Korean are addmitting (unconseciously) that Takeshima belongs to Japan (sarcasm intended).
So my company once did that pig thing in conjunction with a mountain climbing event. Wether they beheaded it on top of the mountain or and the bottom and then just carried it up I don’t really know because much to my chagrin I was away on business that day, but evidently my muslim coworker (North African) WASN”T and let me tell you, he wasn’t quite sure what to make of these korean guys prancing around the top of a mountin with a severed pigs head.
Cruelty to animals.
The liver tastes best when dip ever so slightly in gochu jang.
Really, how much more tasteless can those protesters get? I suppose it is slightly more humane than ripping a live piglet apart. It’s also a damn waste of perfectly good pheasants, I love pheasant they’re a very yummy meaty treat indeed.
Here’s a question. Who thinks up of doing something thing like this? Must be messed in the head to do something like that. I mean, really, they are not even rock stars. They have no excuse.
@4
Do they make sex robots anywhere else? It comes in handy after mutilating ones spouse when finally enacting that reoccurring necrofetish rape fantasy.
@5
While the Koreans are admittedly overreacting about territory they already occupy, the Japanese aren’t much better when they have to make an issue out of it again and again ad nauseum. Maybe the Koreans will eventually learn to just yawn like the Russians do every time the Japs claim the northern sea pebbles while pining over their lost and broken empire.
Why did they blur out the pheasant’s face on Naver?
Was it to protect its identity?
Unbelievable. Is today cruelty to animals day? First the boshingtang story, now this…
I’m getting a fuzzy memory of 2004, or 2005, when overzealous protestors defaced the tomb of a Korean heroine, renowned for throwing herself and a Japanese general off of a cliff into the sea during the Japanese occupation. The protestors vandalized the tomb with anti-Japanese slogans. Sorry, I’ve been here too long. It’s all blurring together. At least none of these birds were drawn and quartered…..
#10: Agreed! Only Ozzy (and maybe Alice Cooper) has the right to be doin’ shit like this!
#11
Calm down,my friend.
Today,your mate could be just a machine without a soul.
But oneday,you could meet your dream girl and maybe,and I mean MAYBE,she’s from the land of the rising sun.
Remember.It’s the thought that counts,always.
@15
This is me being calm (and I don’t even drink coffee). Besides, I’ve already met and married my dream woman, and she’s not from 외나라. All the Japanese women I’ve ever met who grew up in Japan seemed a bit off in the head and didn’t look very attractive, so it never woulda happened anyway.
외나라? I assume you’re not referring to the island where Korea is building its first space center.
11 NES
The Japanese making fuzz about the northern territories which they conceive as been robbed and illegally occupied by the Soviet Unions?
I perfectly understand that. They want international (and national) attention that there are territorial disputes between Russia and Japan. Yes, that is logical… even if these black vans are very annoying, I understand that.
Chinese making fuzz about Senkaku (Diaotou) Islands which they conceive as been robbed and illegally governed by the Japanese?
I perfectly understand that. They want international (and national) attention that there are territorial disputes between China and Japan. Yes, that is logical.
Japanese making fuzz about Takeshima (Dokdo) rocks which they conceive as been robbed and illegally governed by the Korean?
I understand that too.
BUT Koreans who have actually governed Dokdo over 50 years and which they conceive as legal, making international fuzz because the Japanese claims that Takeshima is belongs to Japan?
Sheer madness!!
A big thank you note from the Government of Japan bringing international attention about Takeshima/Dokdo dispute FOR FREE.
@15
A machine without a soul and a person from “the land of the rising sun” is a redundancy.
@17
Nope, but either one was of equal probability…
Reporters shouldn’t even cover that sort of stuff. It only encourages them and makes Koreans look bad.
I remember Japan probe. What a horrible site. I dont know why the idiots on that site blame everything Korean over 3-5 chicken hacking middle aged men.
Hacking chickens to death is stupid but oh well. It the Japanese who provoked the Koreans on this issue. The Japanese should have kept the status quo rather than pick a fight.
Japan probe is a horrible site. The person in charge of the site(James) is an ass who bans and blocks any comment that he disagrees with. And he disagrees with 99% of anything that disagrees with “Japan”. He deletes their comments. Im not talking about troll arguments or flames and insults. Im talking about ordinary civilized arguments that he simply disagrees with. Im not joking. Go post any argument that defends the Chinese or Koreans and you will be blocked and your messages deleted. No matter how civilized your arguments are. No matter how polite you are.
On the other hand he allows every single “Korea is a crap country” and “Chinese are liars” or whatever degrading and comment to be spammed on his site.
Its a good thing this site is more fair and balanced. Ive yet to be kicked out of this site for taking the “wrong side”.
I think 외나라 is a misspelling of 왜(倭)나라, an old name for Japan.
Sonagi — It was. But I was trying to see if the commenter knew that
scum of the earth
“Reporters shouldn’t even cover that sort of stuff. It only encourages them and makes Koreans look bad.”
Funny thing was these gentlemen felt exactly the same way,even though they wanted be in the center of the spotlight from the domestic media.
Pheasant slayers threw A LADDER(which was intended to use go inside of the enbassy) to the cameraman from Japanese KYODO news agency.The ladder was got hit in cameraman’s forehead.He got nine stitches.
Turkeys in Korea are thanking God that nobody listened to Benjamin Franklin when United States was choosing its national bird. Then again, turkeys may be a bit too heavy to throw like that.
@#18
I suspect the overreaction has to do with the action’s association with what happened in the earlier parts of the 20th century. Irrational, I’m sure, but understandable.
Tell you one big secret.We invaded almost EVERYONE in Asia but Tibet.
“The happening in the earlier parts of the 20th century”™ isn’t just the Korean experience.
Yet so far I recall no such unique cultural representations at the gate of our embassy than the one in Seoul.
So, these weirdos got the “national bird” wrong, they also injured a Korean citizen working for Kyodo, a news agency. In most countries, editors would sigh and throw all evidence into the garbage bin.
I kind of miss the 2 months of peaceful anti-beef whatever protests with 200,000 people in front of Seoul City Hall…
No, but back in 2005 government-approved Chinese demonstrators did pelt with eggs and rocks Japan’s embassy in Beijing and in Shenzhen, a large mob surrounded Japanese-owned Jusco and hurled water bottles. Chinese people don’t love Japan any more than Koreans do, but the government there keeps a lid on protests, hence, no flag-munching, finger-chopping, animal sacrifices, or beeman.
“Tell you one big secret.We invaded almost EVERYONE in Asia but Tibet.”
And how many countries out of that list does Japan have territorial dispute with again?
Teach me to skim through my reader fast.
I originally read that as “Peasant”
Needless to say I had a double take.
You’d think Korean protesters would learn after that horrible pig slaughter they did last year. In which there was a huge backlash.
It is not only the Koreans…
During the Clinton years, the Chinese attacked and broke into US restaurants [McDonalds, Kentucky Chicken, etc...] over the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Serbia.
Also, Chinese University students majoring in English from foreign teachers were put upon and beaten by other University students.
“In which there was a huge backlash.”
Ahahaha. Oh yeah? How huge? How many gents were charged for their involvement in that adolescent charade?
Japan is to blame.
If South Korea, China, and Japan were business partners, which they are,
Once in a while, Japan comes out and says,
“Ah, your wife was very good in bed with me last night.”
Same shit.
Expecting business as usual?
Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Europeans and all other civilized first world countries consider Dokdo a place to collect birdshit. Dokdo crosses their mind as often as the thought of the next coming of Haley’s comet crosses their mind.
Koreans think of Dokdo as their heavenly birthplace and will lose sleep over it and pull their hair out 24 hours/day, 7 days a week constantly watching the internet to see if the wind direction has changed on Dokdo.
LOL..
@11
“Japanese aren’t much better when they have to make an issue out of it again and again ad nauseum.”
LOL. A Korean complaining about another country making an issue out of something “ad nauseum” is like listening to Kenneth Lay lecturing others about corporate ethics.
“Maybe the Koreans will eventually learn to just yawn like the Russians do every time the Japs claim the northern sea pebbles while pining over their lost and broken empire.”
Maybe the Japanese will eventually learn to just yawn like the Americans do everytime the gooks start screaming that no other country in the world recognizes Korea’s superiority in such noble areas as Breakdancing and Olympic Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsgY99FtWsU)_
@15
“All the Japanese women I’ve ever met who grew up in Japan seemed a bit off in the head and didn’t look very attractive”
Next time, don’t believe the sign that says “Tokyo Massage” the next time you go try to go satisfy your Korean male urge in Koreatown, Los Angeles. The girls working there are never from Japan, and are probably more likely to be friends of your aunts from Korean church. Yes, they are a bit off in the head and they don’t look attractive at all after all those years of domestic abuse while being denied the saving grace for any woman in Korea - ssangapul and jaw grinding surgery.
@19
“A machine without a soul and a person from “the land of the rising sun” is a redundancy”
Just like a machine without a brain and a person from the land of the morning stink and scream is a redundancy.
Touche. How d’ya like dem apples?
Serial killers always start out killing animals first…
#30
“but the government there keeps a lid on protests, hence, no flag-munching, finger-chopping, animal sacrifices, or beeman.”
That’s true.
Some Taiwanese had extravaganzza infront of Japane related instirution like chopping off a head of mannequin with Imperial Army uniform and a legistrative Yuan member,(a Mainlander) threatened to take Japanese school children in Taipei Japanese School as hostages.
Last month,the chief of Exectutive Yuan also mentioned about “Potntial war with Japan over territory”.
But these are more of an exception than the norm in Taiwan and clearly you can’t compare it with Korea.
#31
“And how many countries out of that list does Japan have territorial dispute with again?”
Only two.
#38
Pawi? Is that you? Did you forget your medication again?
Precisely. Hence the association I was talking about is made and the overreaction occurs. Once again, irrational, but very understandable.
@#41
Wrong side, though stylistically uncanny.
Wow. Scum of the earth indeed.
I hoe they ate the pheasant’s. Just keep looking stupid there protesters. It helps the image of Korea.
“Only two.”
Isn’t it four? China, Taiwan, South Korea, and Russia (5 if you count NK).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....he_Pacific
It should be obvious who these people are. I’ll said it before, and I’ll say it again. They’re former HID members. No other group in Korea has a protest history involving brutalizing animals like they do. The pig ripping, the severed dog heads were ALL done by ex HID commandos, not by the Korean public in general. HID members belong to a specific subculture not represented by the Korean general public. Many of them live in isolation due to their mental breakdown and not receiving medical treatment.
They’re wearing camo pants and one english news article says they’re military vets and ate the bird’s livers.
http://www.lloyds.com/CmsPhoen.....?id=397955
“Some battered the birds to death with hammers in the protest outside Tokyo’s embassy. They also cut open the bellies of two birds and ate the livers, shouting: “Dokdo (island) is our territory!” After the gory ceremony, they tried to push their way into the embassy and scuffled with riot police.”
HID (nicknamed Pig Force), in particular, were trained to eat off anything including raw animal flesh. After they got of service, they were NOT normal people.
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/rok/hid.htm
Only few and select group of people worked in the unit. And most people in the 80’s never even heard about them or even if they did they didn’t know if the rumors were real.
While the later part of that — “not by the Korean public in general” — is certainly true, I believe your wrong about the HID doing the pig ripping. That was a farmers’ group protesting the construction of a ROKA base, if I recall correctly.
I stand corrected. I got confused with another pig incident involving the HID. I believe they posted Kozumi’s face over the pig’s and bashed it to death.
#46
Japan didn’t invade Russia.It was the other way around.
And as for Taiwan,Tokyo consider it as a part of China,and most of those in Taiwan who want the Senkakus(Diaoyutai)back also consider Taiwan as part of China.Former Taiwanese president like Lee Teng-hui had clearly expressed the Senkaku,a Japanese territory.
Former president Chen Shui-bian was taking very low profile on this issue cpmpare to other territorial disputes(He was pro-independence from China and also flew in to one of the airfield in the Spratlys,where Taiwan is under dispute along with PRC an four SE Asian nations.)
The current president Ma Ying-jeou and his associated from Kuomintang Party are descendent of mainland China and possess Chinese nationalism more than Taiwanese nationalism.
And as for North Korea,Tokyo doesn’t recognize it as a “country”And .they never brought up neither Dokdo nor name of the sea argument in diplomatic negotiation with Tokyo.
Correction:
Former Taiwanese president like Lee Teng-hui had clearly expressed the Senkaku,a Japanese territory.Former president Chen Shui-bian was taking very low profile on this issue cpmpare to other territorial disputes(He was pro-independence from China and also flew in to one of the airfield in the Spratlys,where Taiwan is under dispute along with PRC an four SE Asian nations.)
These two are Taiwanese nationalists who think good relation with Japan is more important for Taiwanese interest.
#50, didn’t the Japanese occupy “Outer Manchuria” (the Russian Far East) around the Russian Revolution? I thought they occupied Vladivostok for a while.
Taiwan and PRC may both consider themselves China, but they are two de facto countries, and Teng notwithstanding I think both get mad at Japan over the Senkaku Islands.
North Korea may not be recognized by Japan as a country, but NK still disputes Japan’s claim over Dokdo. But since they just care that at least one of the Koreas have it, it might be okay to exclude them from the list.
“#50, didn’t the Japanese occupy “Outer Manchuria” (the Russian Far East) around the Russian Revolution? I thought they occupied Vladivostok for a while.”
“Outer Manchuria”,you mean “Siberia”?
Yep.We did(From Vladivostok to all the way to the Lake Baikal)and had done some bad things as always.(Shot some insurgents without no trials and tortured them during interrogations)
But that was part of coalition
led by the U.S,intended for some regime change,not a permanent occupation.
Troops were cut down as the insuregents got stronger and the budget for sending expeditionary skyrocketed.So eventually we came back empty handed.
Should have kept some land there,if only we knew there were so many oil field!
#53, it doesn’t count because you say it was part of a U.S. led coalition? Sounds like you’re changing the rules. It was still an invasion (under Japanese command) and the Red Army forced the Japanese out, two years after the Western powers had left. The U.S. thought Japan had territorial designs on the region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Intervention
If you reject that, how about the Battle of Lake Khasan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan
“it doesn’t count because you say it was part of a U.S. led coalition? Sounds like you’re changing the rules.”
No.
I’m saying Japan didn’t annexed any Russian territory in that venture,thus no territorial dispute.Although I also believe the western speculation were correct.
The current territorial dispute with Russia in Habomai,Shikotan,Kunashiri and Etorofu are caused by the Soviet invasion in August of 1945,not by the Siberian expeditionary in 1918 to 1924.
“If you reject that, how about the Battle of Lake Khasan?”
Now you are changing the rules.
This is a dispute in the past already solved by the Japanese defeat and it wasn’t even Japanese invasion to the Soviet territory.(It was started by Soviet building bunker within the Soviet-Korean border.)
Aceface, I’m not changing the rules. At #31 the question was, among the countries Japan invaded in Asia, how many out of that list does Japan have a territorial dispute with?
Japan did invade Russia and it today has a territorial dispute with Russia.
Well,all I can say,is I have different idea on “invasion”,since Siberian Expeditionary was supported by Russain government in exiles and Tokyo hadn’t recognized Bolsheviks at that moment.
I can remember back in the 90s when the farmers would protest the Uruguay Round of trade talks in front of the Uruguayan Embassy. These people aren’t exactly Rhodes Scholars.
Aceface,
I cannot believe you brought this ex-Taiwan president Lee.. What make you think he sided with Japan? Didn’t you know he pledged his loyalty to Japanese emperor. He is said to be very proud of his early upbring in colornia Japan and belives he is Japanese at heart. For that reason alone, he does not have any right to speak on behalf of Taiwanese..PERIOD!! Did you know this weasel has been switching side from Communist, KMT and Pro-independence and now back to Japan. Did you know he tried to appease China right after the Tiananmen massacre to get deal for himself but CCP ignore his ass therefore he spilled out “two countries” that stop any economic progress for Taiwan. This wesel is self proclaim Christian and student of Bushido…His act is anything but Christian and Warrior. This senial old fart still like to babble and ONLY stupid Japanese rightwingers and LDP politicians took that wesel seriously.. Unbelievable!! I truly wish he died of slow painful death.
“What make you think he sided with Japan? ”
Lee actually made that statement after he quit his office.
“Didn’t you know he pledged his loyalty to Japanese emperor.”
He was a Japanese subject until 22 years of age.Not particulary peculiar.
“He is said to be very proud of his early upbring in colornia Japan and belives he is Japanese at heart.”
I don’t know about “Japanese at heart”thing,but he does use Japanese to talk to his wife.
And him being a member of KMT,Lee has to play some “I’m Taiwanese,just like you are”type of performance to colonial generation of Taiwanese who are hostile to the mainlanders.
” For that reason alone, he does not have any right to speak on behalf of Taiwanese..PERIOD!! ”
Lee was born in Taiwan,He lived all his life in Taiwan and he was elected by democratic procedure.Ofcourse he can speak his opinion about Taiwan.
“Did you know this weasel has been switching side from Communist, KMT and Pro-independence and now back to Japan.”
Back to Japan? When?
I can understand him interested in communism,because that’s what many colonial subject had converted when they studied in Japan,and Kyoto University was(is)a hot bed of marxist.
“Did you know he tried to appease China right after the Tiananmen massacre to get deal for himself but CCP ignore his ass therefore he spilled out “two countries” that stop any economic progress for Taiwan”
You are intentionally curving information.
Lee took power in 1989,the time Tienanmen happened.He also wanted make deal with beijing when PRC was isolated and Taiwan becoming democratic.Not a bad idea for the interest of Taiwan.
The economic pregress was didn’t “stop” during his reign.Lee allowed investment to the mainland which were prohibited under Chiang dynasty.Taiwan didn’t even had a scratch in 1997 Asian economic crisis.
Lee was worried of the avalanche of Taiwanese capital causing massive factory shut down in Taiwan,making hollowing out in manuafacturing.
“This wesel is self proclaim Christian and student of Bushido…His act is anything but Christian and Warrior.”
It happens to be a fact that Lee is a presbyterian.He also wrote a book on Bushido in Japanese,but that Bushido is neither a Samurai ethics nor WW2 militarism slogan.It’s an up-graded version of Nitobe Inazo’s book on Noblesse oblige.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitobe_Inaz%C5%8D
“This senial old fart still like to babble and ONLY stupid Japanese rightwingers and LDP politicians took that wesel seriously”
Maybe,but that’s not his fault.PRC is giving enourmous pressure on Japanese media/university/intellectuals to reject Lee(and anythin Taiwan).
The fact that his audieneces are mostly China-hawk crowd isn’t Lee’s fault,but the consequence of Beijing’s manipulative media tactics within Japanese society.
37
If what you say is true. Then why is the Japanese government so eager to declare Dokdo as their own? You call it a place of bird****. Japanese politicians calls it a rocky islet rich in marine life and natural gas worth billions of dollars. Which is why the Japanese government is so eager in bringing this issue. Let me remind you that its Japan who always starts these issues. Korea is minding its own buisness when the Japanese out of the blue starts these petty little fights. I consider these fights immature and pointless on both sides. But obviously its the Japanese who are immaturely starting these fights.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Your statements about the Koreans is even more childish.
“”"Koreans think of Dokdo as their heavenly birthplace and will lose sleep over it and pull their hair out 24 hours/day, 7 days a week constantly watching the internet to see if the wind direction has changed on Dokdo.”"”
Not only is that incredibly rude and not even remotely true, it makes you look childish. Koreans defend Dokdo because its their land. Every country has a right to defend their territory. This is even more true when you take into account Koreas memory of Japanese colonization. Whats ironic about your comment is that you state that no civilized person cares. Yet here you are in this topic whining about Koreas position on Dokdo. Talk about hypocrisy at its finest.
38
“LOL. A Korean complaining about another country making an issue out of something “ad nauseum” is like listening to Kenneth Lay lecturing others about corporate ethics.”
Whats a matter, are the servers at occidentalism down? Im not NES but your comments are just too much. When was the last time Korea began those petty little fights? When was the last time Korea provoked the Japanese on this issue. Face it, its always Japan whos stirring shit up. If the Japanese simply kept their mouths shut, none of this would have happened. Why is Japan so eager to start fights with their neighbor? Whats the point? Its counter productive. Its undiplomatic. Its immature. And it makes Japan look bad because the Koreans simply want to be left alone.
And Korea has far more credibility and even the moral high ground on this issue. Last time I checked, Japan has territoral disputes with every single one of its neighbors. As well as historical issues and moral issues over Japanese interpreation of history. Your Kenneth Lay analogy would better apply to Japan then Korea.
“Maybe the Koreans will eventually learn to just yawn like the Russians do every time the Japs claim the northern sea pebbles while pining over their lost and broken empire.”
“”"Maybe the Japanese will eventually learn to just yawn like the Americans do everytime the gooks start screaming that no other country in the world recognizes Korea’s superiority in such noble areas as Breakdancing and Olympic Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsgY99FtWsU)_ “”"
I didnt bother going to that youtube link. But the fact that you used the deragatory term “gook” and brought up breakdancing and olympic boxing to a territorial dispute debate shows just how much credibility you have. How old are you? An im willing to bet that boxing video is about Roy Jones Jr. An incident that happened a whopping 20 years ago which is probably before you were even born.
“Japanese politicians calls it a rocky islet rich in marine life and natural gas worth billions of dollars. ”
Never even heard a single J-politician speak as such,even the one from Shimane.(the late LDP bigshot and former PM Noboru Takeshita had electoral district in Shimane prefecture,yet he was the head of Japan-Korea congressmen league.)
“Let me remind you that its Japan who always starts these issues. Korea is minding its own buisness when the Japanese out of the blue starts these petty little fights.”
That’s not true.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/29/tokdos-navy/
“When was the last time Korea began those petty little fights? When was the last time Korea provoked the Japanese on this issue. ”
Like day before yesterday?
“Not only is that incredibly rude and not even remotely true, it makes you look childish. ”
Let’s talk more about that after one of our zealots beat a magpie to death with a hammer and flung it at the Korean Embassy in Tokyo.
“Every country has a right to defend their territory.”
There’s one.And it’s in right next to you.
“And Korea has far more credibility and even the moral high ground on this issue.”
I don’t think moral has much to do with territorial disputes,but the size of the boundary.Anyway,how about using ICJ to prove Korea’s “credibility”?
We’ve been asking this since 1954.
“And Korea has far more credibility and even the moral high ground on this issue. Last time I checked, Japan has territoral disputes with every single one of its neighbors. ”
Yeah,and I’ve been repeating this for three different occasion on this blog,but Korea is also having territorial disputes with every single one of it’s neighbors too.
It’s just Korea only has two foreign neighbors and Japan has more.
And it’s kinda funny you only responded to “gook” as if it’s the only deragatory term used around here.
My advice to you,VG866.Think before you type.
Gotta love exspurts.
“”"Never even heard a single J-politician speak as such,even the one from Shimane.(the late LDP bigshot and former PM Noboru Takeshita had electoral district in Shimane prefecture,yet he was the head of Japan-Korea congressmen league.)”"”
Im not talking in the literal sense genius. Its clear what the motives of the Japanese government are. Motivated by things like fishing, EEZ and natural gas.
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“”"That’s not true.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/29/tokdos-navy/“”"
Koreans can name their destroyers whatever they want. Naming your own ships is quite different from a foreign country declaring territory that you control as their own.
Very different. Its a pity you cant seem to distinguish between apples and oranges eh?
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“”"Like day before yesterday?”"”
You mean that incident which Japan initiated by breaking from the status quo? Give up. You cant win this argument. Its clear as day that Japan brought this issue up for no reason. Nothing more then another blatant attempt at Japan trying to seek attention by starting fights.
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“”"Let’s talk more about that after one of our zealots beat a magpie to death with a hammer and flung it at the Korean Embassy in Tokyo.”"”
Yes, because a few disgruntled middle aged soldiers killing pheasants represents the views and actions of the Korean government and every South Korean man, woman and child.
Excuse me while I go roll my eyes and laugh. PS: Do you think before you type?
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“”"There’s one.And it’s in right next to you.”"”
Uhhh Dokdo isnt Japanese. Nor is Japan defending Takeshima from Koreans. Dokdo is Korean and its controlled by Koreans. The Korean navy patrols it waters and its mass is also occupied by Koreans. Even the Japanese government acknowledges this fact(Dokdo and its waters being in control of Korea) and must oblige Koreas sovereignty over the islands.
Japan isn’t “defending” Takeshima because Takeshima doesn’t exist. Japan has no control over the islands. What is their to defend when you don’t even control the tiniest pebble on the island? Japan is not defending so much as making a claim. And illegitimate and weak one might I add.
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“”"I don’t think moral has much to do with territorial disputes,but the size of the boundary.Anyway,how about using ICJ to prove Korea’s “credibility”?
We’ve been asking this since 1954.”"”
Do you even know how the ICJ works? In order for Koreans to go to court, they must first relinquish control of Dokdo and agree with the Japanese government that its a disputed territory. In doing so neither country would be the owner of Dokdo. This will allow Japanese ships to not only encroach on Dokdo(which is no longer Korean) but also to fish and mine Dokdo of resources without the Korean governments consent. The ICJ does not happen over night. A court date must be set and Japan can simply A. Refuse to go to court after Dokdo becomes a disputed territory, B. Go to court and delay to proceedings year after year, C. Go to court, lose and demand a retrial which will set in motion another dragged out court day. The ICJ will accomplish nothing and thats exactly what the Japanese government wants. If you don’t know the Japanese governments motives. They don’t actually plan on using or winning in the ICJ. They only want to turn Dokdo into a disputed territory so that they can use its resources without being fired upon.
What the Japanese are doing is vile and disgraceful. They are manipulating the system in an attempt to take territory that they do no control. I laugh whenever someone uses the ICJ excuse. As if its legitimate or proves anything.
“”"Yeah,and I’ve been repeating this for three different occasion on this blog,but Korea is also having territorial disputes with every single one of it’s neighbors too.
It’s just Korea only has two foreign neighbors and Japan has more.”"”
Oh please. North Korea and South Korea have been at each others throat for quite a while. The Korean war has never ended and both countries consider themselves the legitimate Korean government while the other an impostor. Your comparison for Korea is weak. It still doesn’t change the fact Japan has territorial dispute with all her neighbors and that it is Japan who always starts these issues and throws the first stone. Like that other guy said in the previous topic. The Japanese are just bitter at seeing their fractured empire going to the dust. As well as the sad state of their economy.
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“”"And it’s kinda funny you only responded to “gook” as if it’s the only derogatory term used around here.”"”
Did I ever state that it was the only derogatory term used? Quit making things. I generally don’t like the term nor do I enjoy other racist terms of other nationalities.
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“”"My advice to you,VG866.Think before you type.”"”
I suggest you follow your own advice.
“Motivated by things like fishing, EEZ and natural gas.”
Remove natural gas and insert sovereign rights.
“Naming your own ships is quite different from a foreign country declaring territory that you control as their own.”
It’s different when this foreign country considers their territory being occupied by their opponent.Naming an military vessel on disputed territory is pretty provocative.
“You mean that incident which Japan initiated by breaking from the status quo? ”
Japan hasn’t broken any status quo.It only confirmed it’s long standing position on Takeshima.
“Yes, because a few disgruntled middle aged soldiers killing pheasants represents the views and actions of the Korean government and every South Korean man, woman and child.”
Like Robert,I agree these zealots action don’t represent EVERYONE.But it also happens to be a fact that they’ve been around from time to time and so far,no one in Korea seems to be doing anything.
And Pheasant slaying is just one example of Dokdo lunacy along with those pictures by school chldren on subway station,Beeman,Politicians stepping on Japanese flags,”No Japanese” signs around shops and restaurants,largest circulating paper priniting cartoon with caricatualized Japanese with bald head and buck teeth.
And this.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=.....re=related
Is it true that this thing was made as Public Advertisement?
“What is their to defend when you don’t even control the tiniest pebble on the island? ”
Perhaps,you never read the Japanese constitution.It prohibits the use of arms to solve the international disputes,including the self defense.
“Do you even know how the ICJ works?”
Actually I do and you are wrong.
You can’t go to ICJ unless both sides agree to solve the case there,and normally the diputed territory remains under status quo while the case is solved in ICJ.(Otherwise no one will use ICJ to settle their case)
What you are typing is based on ill minded conspiracy theory.
“It still doesn’t change the fact Japan has territorial dispute with all her neighbors and that it is Japan who always starts these issues and throws the first stone.”
And I’m not even counting NK here.
South Korea also has dispute with China on continnental sea bed in Yellow sea and on Socotra rock.Some thinks Gando is their territory and Korean paper is making a fuss over Changbai Mountain recently of which China wants to develop as a tourist destination.
So much for the high morals.
We had a diplomatic crisis with Taiwan about a month ago,but it was Taiwanese fishing vessel violated our waters and crushed into our coast guard.Somehow,Tokyo apologized and issued the will for compensation to the ship owners because Taiwan threatened for military action(and send in survey ships escorted by their coast guards”)All this with Japan lifting a single finger.
“Japanese are just bitter at seeing their fractured empire going to the dust. As well as the sad state of their economy.”
Our empire has gone for about sixty years and our economy grew larger only after the empire was lost.It wasn’t all that bad.
And about the sad state of economy,we’ve been in that state for about siteen years.We can live with that.
The point is how much Korea can live with that sort of economical state with not so much social welfare like Japan but lots and lots of strikes and mass rally.
Your claims are all outrageous.No wonder you got kicked out from Japan Probe.
Things like this make me miss Bee Man.
Soon, some guy is going to cut off his finger to write “I hate Japan”.
You know the drill.
What? It is a passe. Hey, what worked still works.
Believe me, some jerk will cut off his finger.
Then, the Olympic will start and everybody will forget about Dokto.
It is a Korean cycle. Koreans are very shifty people. Cama, cama, Camelion..
Not sure if its there anymore but a few years ago I visited the Australian Korean Embassy Website to get some info. What did I get? A pop up about Dokdo bing Korean!!
Very immature at the time.
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I thought about it before posting, but to be honest I wasn’t sure. I learned it verbally while watching 왕건.
@23/24/69
I understood it back then to mean “outside” (外) and didn’t consider that there was a specific character for Japan (with a different spelling). I don’t remember if they put the character at the bottom of the screen or not. I thought about the spelling for a second before posting since I don’t like to be wrong (Oh well), but I needed to go home and didn’t take enough time to look it up. I really need to study Chinese to improve my Korean, but there always seems to be too many other things to do.
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