A Mongolian-born Korean national has become the first naturalized Korean citizen to become a government immigration official.
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Maybe things in Korea are moving forward and Korea is moving towards civic nationalsim. One could only hope. Good for her I say!
i hope this is just the beginning and call on the korean government to allow mongols open immigration to korea.
add the filipinos and vietnamese to the mix as well but of course, no chinese.
Why exclude one group but include all the others?? It makes no sense. Do you have something against the Chinese?
Questions on Korean history? Not that I think it’s necessary, but I sure would like to know what kind of questions they are talking about.
you bet i have something against the chinese; they remain forever chinese and thus, would represent a danger to korea if they were allowed to immigrate to korea. just look at their behavior during the torch.
heck, if i had it my way, i wouldn’t allow them to immigrate to the states either. the chinese are no longer the chinese i used to know. they’re rabid in their nationalism and really present a danger to the world considering their numbers. indeed, they’re making us run out of oil and once that happens, we may just go back to the dark ages. this will happen sooner than most people think.
buy precious metals, folks.
Just out of curiosity, who are the Chinese you used to know?
the chinese USED to be a people who were self assured in the knowledge that theirs was a civilizational culture. they never seemed to feel the need to lord it over other asians. that’s all changed. now they run around crying about duan woo and koguryeo and seem to take pleasure in their implication that so many asians are really just chinese.
for instance, during the wiki koguryeo wars, some chinese folk acutally implied that koreans are chinese.
if chinese people start to really believe that, it’s only a matter of time before they start to think that korea is simply china which it most certainly ain’t.
because of their numbers, the chinese are now simply a menace to koreans and all other asians including the japanese.
the koreans must develope nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to all parts of china lest they actually try to take any part of korea.
mongols-yes! chinese-NO!
. . . “children of wolves” Pawi? Quite a few Chinese have made something of the same observation.
“they’re rabid in their nationalism and really present a danger to the world considering their numbers. indeed, they’re making us run out of oil and once that happens, we may just go back to the dark ages. this will happen sooner than most people think.”
Coming from someone who was born in a country that has one of the highest population densities in the world, people in the streets freaking out about foreign cows, and where every second car on the road is and SUV.
“the koreans must develope nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to all parts of china lest they actually try to take any part of korea.”
WOW. Interesting perspective.
That would build up a nice little asian cold war between South Korea and China. Thats more job security for me.
Pawi,
You probably got your ass kicked numerous times by Chinese..Hey man, on behalf of “MY” people, I offer my apology. Feeling better now? But then again after reading several of your 싸가지 comments in this blog, you deserved to get your ass kicked.
Chinese nationalism as I see is no different from Korean one except it is more dangerous…Not only to Chinese themselves but everyone due to its mass population and economic might that could do more harm than good. Chinese nationalistic goal to drive certain industry that are inefficient end up many wastes are way too common. It is already driving the demand on raw material and energy..so Pawi, you do have a point on this.
I am curious as who are the “good old” Chinese you used to know..the ones you knew will not turn into those you saw fighting with police in Seoul. You know too little and sorry to say unqualified at this moment to make that claim. In other words, you are making grave mistake by putting them into a singular group. Your typical anaylsis of Chinese probably prevented you to go beyond 우리사람 of Korean race. Afterall, we all look alike correct? WRONG!! Why is it matter? because your enemy “China” is multi-faced, multi-culutre who know your pathetic ass inside out and has the power ready to screw you over.
This article is good sign that Korea is becoming more tolerant and eventually your own people from China 조선족 and Korea borned ethnic Chinese 화교 can become integral part of the Korean society. If you have problem, you should leave the US as well.
Namuamitaba
‘You probably got your ass kicked numerous times by Chinese’
grow up, sid. you want an adult convo? then act like an adult.
#10
Are you defense contractor? I am in the industry but no American will be benefit from this cold war..
Grow up? you talkin to me? you talking to me?
Cut it out now.
Aggressive Chinese nationalism, specifically displayed during this year’s torch relay, compounded by existing bad vibes because of its Tibet policy, gave them chinamen a lot of bad p.r. this year. Koreans got a full blast of it too.
But as always, there must be a clear distinction whenever a Korean is involved in anything. Koreans got more worked up at them chinamen going wild in Seoul’s streets as hosts to the torch relay vis-a-vis frenchies or aussies, because of a complex combination of factors such as subconscious gratification and an inferiority complex. Koreans were able to unite in their own version of nationalism, because it gave them a chance to hate on people on a national level; usually Koreans just have to settle on hating on other Koreans. And number two, Koreans got a wake-up call. An aggressive Chinese foreign policy does not bode well for Koreans. Koreans have a whole history of taking it up the ass from all its neighbors, so they react vehemently against any display of such.
However, there is a bigger issue at stake here that Koreans in their usual short-sightedness are failing to see. The biggest difference between Korean nationalism and Chinese nationalism is the Chinese people are not racist. They accept and value other cultures, that is why they have some of the most protective policies towards its ethnic minorities in the world.
Koreans love to blindly discriminate and look down on what they feel are “lower” cultures. Chinese people are more calculative regarding other cultures, because they know it is in their advantage to do so. They have no problem accepting 조선족s or any ethnicities of Korean descent as their own. That is why it keeps telling North Koreans that should li’l 정일이 kick the bucket, and everything in NK goes to hell, it would be more advantageous for them to become a part of China than South Korea.
Interesting read, #61.
“they (the Chinese) accept and value other cultures”
Yes, I read they’ve been busy accepting and valuing Tibetan culture lately.
Where did you read that?
Usually when you read about China and Tibet, it’s about the crackdown on the political dissent. Official Chinese policy towards politically charged religion movements is to fuck them up good, i.e. falun gong style.
Gus Hiddink could pass that test.
“I offer my apology. Feeling better now? ”
Ha! He’ll refuse your apology by saying aren’t being sincere and demand for more.
“grow up, sid. you want an adult convo? then act like an adult.”
I guess someone doesn’t get irony…
“Chinese nationalism is the Chinese people are not racist. They accept and value other cultures,”
Absurd. Chinese are very much racist, you just didn’t hear about it because number 1, you can’t read or hear what they write and say. Number 2, their government puts a strict censorship on all media. Number 3, they worship whites on the outside (giving you the wrong impression that they are not racist), but inside, their goal is to destroy whites. It’s a little bi different story with Africans, Indians, people with dark skin - they are simply looked down upon. Number 4, they are less racist to other East Asians, only because they firmly believe that all of them are really Chinese - but still inferior than the mighty Han Chinese who taught all these Asians what civilization means.
Good to know that no one is blaming the Japanese yet.
So a Mongolian becoming a government official in Korea.
Since it isn’t happening in this side of Sea of Japan,Korea should be proud of being one step ahead of Japan.
In light of providing some peaceful perspective here, I’d like to say that Chinese and Mongolian women are HOT!
For Chinese women, I think Korean girls are better looking on average, but the hot Chinese ladies are prettier than the hot Korean ones. Why? More genetic diversity. I’d hazard to guess that 70% of Korean girls all have the same basic facial bone structure and body type. Boobs? Uniformly a “B” cup with very hit or miss firmness. Ass, almost uniformly flat. The hottest Chinese girl can be 5-8, with porcelain smooth white skin, naturally big eyes, “C” cups and a white girl’s ass.
Mongolian girls? IMO they have Korean girl faces with (often times) a white girls body! Best of both worlds! Perhaps it comes about because they spend a lifetime of eating meat and cheese?…
Wangkon, how do you know so much about Chinese, Mongolian, and White girl’s bodies? Is this information from the actual field or something you know from research on the internet?
Wang,
So true on your observation of these girls..Chinese hotties you described are mostly from Northern origin with mixture of Han/Manchu/Mongol ancestors. Diet in diary/meat is a big factor..just look at the 2nd generation KA girls born in the States..They are packing!! Absolute Hotties!!
Good step for a good future, Korea!
Pawi is simply upset because he realizes that the Chinese are racially aware, like the Koreans. The problem is not that the Chinese are nationalists or chauvinists, the problem is that they don’t take Korea’s shit the way Uncle Sam does.
NK… yep, field experience. The internet cannot give you a 3D perspective, so you can’t properly judge volume, suppleness, density, etc. Remember, I’ve spent most of my life in Los Angeles and not only do I get to see a diverse supply of women from all over the world, but there is good quantity of every nationality, so it increases the odds of getting an “accurate” sample size of each population…
My college, USC, had a lot of Chinese people so I ended up dating a few. The hottest chick I’ve ever seen my entire life, regardless of ethnicity, race or if it was a picture or in real life, was a Cantonese girl from Hong Kong. 5-8, skinny, nice ass, C cups, face of an angel, creamy white, translucent porcelain smooth skin, thick wavy hair so deeply black it had blue highlights. The only knock was her voice, which when she spoke English she had a little more female version of an Elmer Fudd accent (”I’m gonna hunt me sum wabbits, huhuhuhu…”).
On Mongolian girls, a lot of them work as bartenders in Koreatown. From my experience, Inner Mongolians seem to be more comfortable living near Koreans and Outer Mongolians seem to be more comfortable living in Chinese neighborhoods.
Wangkon, this was not merely done in self interest but research in the name of posterity?
What you mentioned is called hybrid-vigor. You’ll see it places like Brasil most especially, but it is rearing its head quite a bit in the States. The future looks amazing in this respect.
“Inner Mongolians seem to be more comfortable living near Koreans and Outer Mongolians seem to be more comfortable living in Chinese neighborhoods”
I always thought it was the other way around..interesting.
Sid, you are right. I got it mixed up.
Madd, I don’t think she was mixed. Saw pictures of her mom and dad and they looked Chinese to me. The Chinese are a real diverse lot as they have been invaded quite a bit and have assimilated those that have invaded them.
My “experiments” w/the ladies are always for self and mutual interests….
“So a Mongolian becoming a government official in Korea.
Since it isn’t happening in this side of Sea of Japan,Korea should be proud of being one step ahead of Japan.”
Cough, cough…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marutei_Tsurunen
pawi, Koreans remain ever Korean. Look at yourself.
When I hear of things like this in Korea, I think of Hines Ward.
Why after almost sixty years do we not hear of any half Koreans working in government?
Are there any Afro-Koreans working for the Korean government or did they all go to the US or somewhere else?
#35 Chemboy
Besides member of the Diet, three foreign CEOs, one each American, French and British, are currently working for the big Japanese companies, Sony, Nissan and Nippon Sheet Glass.
Wangkon, I wasn’t talking about that girl from Hong Kong, I was referring to some of the generalizations you made previous to that.
And yes, my wife was born and raised in Ulaan Baatar and she assures me that China took a large portion of Mongolia, similar to what is going on in Tibet, and assasinated its most outspoken Mongolian critics. She says that most people in present day Mongolia loathe the Chinese.
Madd,
Yes I do hear that at least Outer Mongolians are rather distrustful and antagonistic towards the PRC. It’s understandable. It’s tricky for the Mongolians though, outside of Inner Mongolia, there’s barely 2.5 million of them…
Apparently, President Lee Myung Bak once had a romance with a Chinese girl.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/c.....722484.htm
So have I. So….
#35
I’m a Japanese with Ulaanbaatar born wife and a son.And I’m very much aware that there is a Fin,a Korean and a Taiwanese oriented delegates at the current diet.(I was hoping for Pama Gyalpo to get a seat in the last election,that would make him the first Tibetan Japanese diet member)
But the fact remains so far I hear no news on immigrant becoming immgration officer in Japan.There is a case that a Vietnamese and a Lao refugee becoming official at local health care center,though.
Most of the Mongolians from outer Mongolia remain working as a blue collar(including those in sumo world)My wife is currently working at the bank promoting credit card to the customers,and I know some working at IT company and one man working as an English teacher in highschool in Chiba prefecture,but they are minority.
Almost all of the white collar Mongolians are from Inner Mongolia,for they can read Chinese character and can more easily adopt to Japanese society.But many becomes either office workers or college lecturers and so far I hear no news of them becoming a public servants,yet.
#39
Mongolians are highly antagonistic to China in general and that’s a fact.
My wife’s grand father was killed in combat against Japanese in border dispute betweeen People’s Republic of Mongolia and Manchukuo at Khalhin Gol in 1939.But I hear no complain from my in-laws about I’m taking their daughter and only grand son to Tokyo.Part of the reason is because in Mongolians mind,they beat Japanese twice in the war.One in Khalhin Gol in 1939,and One in Manchukuo in 1945.That give them confidence.
#42
“Mongolians beat Japanese twice.”
But they got beaten by Japanese twice in 1274 and 1281.
But… they got help from the weather and faulty Chinese ship workmanship.
“But they got beaten by Japanese twice in 1274 and 1281.”
That doesn’t count. You can’t call that a war between the “Mongolian” and the “Japanese” in the modern sense. That was a war between feudal nomadic warlords and the feudal samurais. Not a “national” war (in the modern sense).
And the ships were built in Korean peninsula….
# 46,
Nope… the ones that sank were Chinese built ships. The Korean ships didn’t sink.
You see, the Chinese, in order to fill their quota by the ascribed schedule took a short cut. They built river boats rather than sea faring ships. River boats take less time to build but can’t survive big storms.
It’s all here:
http://www.chinahistoryforum.c.....opic=19565
And natto is right in some way.
The bad ship and the weather factor is spread by a Japanese Koreanologist
named Hatada,and current study based on Chinese,Mongolian and Korea sources shows that there were intensive combats between invading forces and Samurai.
And a lot of Japanese historians see Mongolian invasion was the crucial element for Japanese to build up collective sense of nationhood during warring states period.
Back to the topic.
Talk about a hot Mongolian woman,I know two Mongolian girls doing fashion modeling in Tokyo.One of them is dating with USFJ serviceman and the other is in post-gradutate school of Tokyo University.
I’m sure every side of the story is true in a sense. So let’s keep our nationalistic pride aside, shall we?
#46
I’m one of those ancient dinosaur who takes infos from onlie history forums with grain of salt.
The whole expeditonary(at least the one in 1274)were organized partially because of countless request from Koryo King to Kublai Khan.One of the commander of the invading forces was a Koryo general and majority of the soldiers were from Koryo.The ship was built in Koryo.And the ship builders,Chinese? Anyway,that’s not what I’ve read.
And It also seems this small episode has somehow made it into the hall of fame of Korean pride.
http://news.chosun.com/site/da.....00524.html
Not that I take what’s on Chosun Ilbo seriously,ofcourse.
#47
The ships Chinese built under orders from Mongol were not flat-bottomed river boats. But most of them were built in a hurry to meet the deadline and resulted in sloppy workmanship. Wheter it was intentional sabotage by Chinese or not is still being debated. The river boats were not newly built.
They were simply rounded up to meet the quota Mongol set on the number of ships to be deployed.
Also, I’m somewhat skeptical, Korean mariners would have had a good idea of the weather patterns and currents, most coastal people do. I’m sure sabotage at sea was in the best interest for all non-Mongolians.
Yes, there was quite a bit of Mongol fighting in the first wave in Japan. It actually changed Japanese perspectives on warfare drastically. What I’m curious about though, is that I’ve heard a good portion of the Mongolian invaders ended up bartering a deal and ended up living in Japan…any truth or info on this?
# 50 and 51.
I used the link to the history forum because I was lazy…
“Science has dealt a blow to a Japanese legend which says the country was twice saved from a Mongolian fleet thanks to a “divine wind,” or kamikaze, that destroyed the invaders’ ships. A 900-ship fleet, sent by the Mongolian emperor Kublai Khan in 1274, met resistance from Japanese samurai before being forced into retreat by bad weather and was then ripped to pieces by the kamikaze. Kublai Khan tried again eight years later, amassing a vast fleet of 4,400 ships from China and Korea, most of which were sunk by strong winds off the island of Takashima, in southern Japan. New evidence, though, suggests that poor design and shoddy workmanship may have been the principal cause of the Mongols’ defeat, the British weekly New Scientist says in its next issue, out on Saturday. Randall Sasaki, an archaeologist at Texas A&M University, has pored over fragmented remains of the 1281 fleet that were found in 1981. Of about 700 pieces of ship hauled up from the seabed off Takashima, none was larger than 3m, and most are between 10cm and 1m. Sasaki has studied around 500 of the fragments and says many of the timbers have nails placed very close together, sometimes with five or six in the same location. “This suggests the timbers were recycled to construct these ships,” he told New Scientist. “Also, some of the timbers were themselves of poor quality.” As for the design of the ship, Chinese documents suggest that many of the vessels in the 1281 fleet were flat-bottomed river boats, which would have been unstable in the open sea.
Agence France-Presse (AFP) ©”
Link to New Scientist article: http://nautarch.tamu.edu/shipl.....entist.htm
It was also subject of a Discovery Channel documentary: http://star-ecentral.com/news/.....c=tvnradio
Excerpt:
“The theory is that a “kamikaze” (divine wind) destroyed the fleet and saved Japan from invasion. A less supernatural theory derived from the archaeological surveys at Takashima would be that Kublai Khan’s ships were relatively old river boats that were constructed poorly. Also, iron nails with high sulphur content were used and thus not suitable for ocean voyages.”
According to Stephen Turnbull, the Koryo ships faced very few losses during the second invasion, meaning it was likely they were proper ocean faring boats.
Per Stephen Turnbull:
http://books.google.com/books?.....8Mc2aGBguA
So out of 4,400 boats 900 were of Koryo manufacture and there was very little damage to them. Of course Turnbull doesn’t have the Texas A & M archeological data with him when he wrote the book, so he interprets the Koryo vessels better rate of survival as “much stronger contstruction” which is only partially true.
That was quite an entertaining read, bunch of immigrants bashing each other’s home countries, LoL.
Look, modern economic migrants/immigrants are far removed from colonists in the past. A modern economic migrant is a “defector” who ditched his home country for economic gain and, where possible, elevate himself like some social climber in the new country.
The men work to obtain trappings of higher socio-economic class (house/yard, BMW), and the women readily use their “assets” to marry up. Rather than staying and improving the community, they follow “white flight” and move from one hit-and-run housing development to another, leaving behind ghettos. No sense of community, just temporary pride of ownership until the next bling bling.
If the US were to relax its immigration rules to East Asians, we’re going to need more BMW/Mercedes dealers and Coach outlets.
“I’m sure sabotage at sea was in the best interest for all non-Mongolians.”
Ummm… not if you are a non-Mongol that’s actually on the boat w/the Mongols…
Regarding #11 - “Siddhartha”, I don’t know why you’d want to attach the recollection of the Buddha of infinite Light to the end of a post in which you deviate from Right Speech, but I hope nobody here thinks that such a post represents anything commonly found in Pure Land Buddhism.
Comments such as “you deserved to get your ass kicked” is not typical of a follower of Lord Buddha. Not is the comment in #27 regarding women an example of the kind of speech encouraged by those who take seriously the teachings of the Buddha and the grace of Amida Buddha.
Please, “Siddhartha”, do not use the name of Amida Buddha on posts that are not a reflection of the ethical teaching and wonderful Light and Life of Pure Land Buddhism. Thank you.
Namu Amita Bul,
Marcus
hmm… too bad the subject matter of Marmot’s post was somehow shifted by Pawi… I’m surprised that after all these years, people still respond to what he writes. The same exact people no less!
Marcus,
Man you are offended!! I am not a monk nor “serious” devotee of Budda. Please lighten up.
阿彌陀佛
#59, “I am not a monk nor “serious” devotee…” Then why the name and usual sign-off?
Because I am a student of Budda and still learning. I will take comment from Marcus as reminder to be “NICE” and I am thankful of course.