According to some school parents and visa proxy businesses, the United States is rejecting a lot more applicants for student visas, leading some to wonder why.
The JoongAng Ilbo cites two examples. One 16-year-old was accepted to a famous private boarding school in Virginia. On May 21, however, his visa was rejected, the US embassy saying they didn’t think he’d return to Korea. Another student, a 17-year-old who got into a boarding school in Baltimore, was rejected, said his mother, because his English wasn’t perfect. A 14-year-old girl who got into another boarding school was rejected, too.
One visa proxy service said four of eleven of his clients had their visa applications rejected. Last year, all 10 of his clients got their visas. Another proxy service said that normally, out of dozens of applicants a month, only one would be rejected. But on the day he talked to his paper alone, two had been rejected. An overseas study consultant said he’d been doing his job for a decade, and this was the first time he’d had a student who’d been accepted into boarding school have his visa application rejected.
Proxy businesses and parents are now wondering if perhaps the US visa issuance standards have changed. One lawyer who counsels on visa law said the number of people who have come to him due to visa rejections is up 10% over the previous year. He said in the past, most applicants got their visas just as long as they could prove they had sufficient finances, but now, the number of those being rejected for things like “doesn’t have intention to study” or “poor grades” has increased.
One school parent said with the number of incomprehensible rejections increasing, school mothers were even saying it was because of… you guessed it… the anti-US beef protests around the US embassy. The mother of the kid that got into the Virginia boarding school, for instance, said the protests would probably end in mid-July, so she planned to have her son reapply then.
A US embassy official, meanwhile, said the rejections were just the result of individual interviews, and that claims they were due to the protests are conjecture.
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I dunno, but the U.S. is saying “no” to a lot of $$$. Thus, it’s stupid.
However, it’s good for Canada and Australia.
Yeah, just what the US needs. More students who’ll forget to go back to Korea, once they get a taste of real life…
Keep in mind that the people who process these visa applications at The United States Embassy, also get a daily reminder of how Koreans really feel about America/Americans right at their front door everyday.
Could be that the guy or girl who rejected Kim’s visa application may have slipped on some candle wax on their way to work.
I’ve always gotten a kick out of how vile Koreans behave in front of the embassy, and how they kow-tow, and kiss ass at the back door when looking for a visa.
Besides, fewer Koreans in my country isn’t going to brealk my heart.
Well, if they get a degree from a good U.S. school, the U.S. gains more educated citizens.
Educated citizens generally make decent wages and they pay taxes, which helps keep taxes lower for native born citizens. Some of these people may even get advanced degrees and perhaps help develop a new drug, an airplane, a computer program, which will make the U.S. more competitive and employ even more people.
Take out everybody who had an accent and special immigration treatment from the Manhattan Project and you won’t have had the A-bomb. Same for the space program.
Won’t matter, because a lot of Korean moms are having their babies in the States circumventing the need to get a U.S. student visa.
#3: “Keep in mind that the people who process these visa applications at The United States Embassy, also get a daily reminder of how Koreans really feel about America/Americans right at their front door everyday.”
Rejecting student visas because you’re not happy about the michinso protests makes a lot of sense, if you think that the people trying to get to the U.S. are the same ones who are shouting the stuff against U.S. beef.
So michin.
#3
So True. Even American Embassy Staff can take only so much flagrant hatred toward the USA.
The US Embassy is rightly protecting them from US Beef. Don’t these mothers and children know that even a taste of US Beef will kill these children!
“I dunno, but the U.S. is saying “no” to a lot of $$$. Thus it’s stupid.”
Not really, as the slots will likely be filled by someone else. And even if the slots weren’t filled and the school lost that income, how is “stupid” if the applicant was rejected for not satisfying US visa requirements?
A sizeable chunk of the staff are korean!!
That (and all the other assumed benefits to Uncle Sucker and his nephews and nieces) assumes they naturalize or take permanent residency (and don’t do a Robert Kim). Just as likely, though, that they’ll return to the smaller pond to become part of the elite that reserves most of the catch for itself at the expense of both native Koreans and all other would-be market entrants. Why promote that?
It’s not just in this thread, but many others as well, that the racist comments against Koreans are appalling.
As for the thread topic, I’m strongly opposed to putting up roadblocks to U.S. brain importation. The core competency of the U.S. is innovation. To innovate, it takes brainpower. Historically, much of this brainpower has come from immigrants. So, more power to the educated and education-in-process immigrants.
As for the racist comments against Koreans, there’s way too many bitter people in the ‘hole and on the ‘net in general.
I don’t think its racism so much as anti-racism.
I don’t think its racism so much as anti-racism.
“Well, if they get a degree from a good U.S. school, the U.S. gains more educated citizens.”
I can iron my own shirts.
“Educated citizens generally make decent wages and they pay taxes, which helps keep taxes lower for native born citizens. Some of these people may even get advanced degrees and perhaps help develop a new drug, an airplane, a computer program, which will make the U.S. more competitive and employ even more people”
You must be confusing Koreans with the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, and other Asians. Hey Kim, it’s not the taxes you pay, it’s the feeling you have in your heart that makes you American. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard Koreans say “I HAVE American citizenship”, and how few times I’ve heard them say “I AM AMERICAN!”. But, that’s an American thing, I wouldn’t expect you to understand.
And as far as great scientific contributions by Koreans in America ,………. I’m all ears.
(crickets chirping)
“Won’t matter, because a lot of Korean moms are having their babies in the States circumventing the need to get a U.S. student visa.”
Right ,………. “the takers”, “the users”, “the corner cutters” that we could do without. This act alone proves how Koreans have very little confidence in their own country’s future. Just what we need,….. more of the “I HAVE American citizenship” parasites,……. what a pathetic people.
“A sizable chunk of the staff are Korean!!”
Thankfully not in decision making positions,…. Do you really think we are that stoooooooopid?
“That (and all the other assumed benefits to Uncle Sucker and his nephews and nieces) assumes they naturalize or take permanent residency (and don’t do a Robert Kim). Just as likely, though, that they’ll return to the smaller pond to become part of the elite that reserves most of the catch for itself at the expense of both native Koreans and all other would-be market entrants. Why promote that?”
WORD!
“I’m strongly opposed to putting up roadblocks to U.S. brain importation.”
How does this relate to Koreans!??!??!
“Historically, much of this brainpower has come from immigrants.”
Ummm,….. ALL of our brain power was originally imported, any American can tell you that. But, I have to scratch my ass and wonder a good long time before I can recall any field in which a Korean’s input was essential. Again, I’m all ears.
“I don’t think its racism so much as anti-racism.”
Dan,……….you THE MAN!
Well Kim,… The gloves are off, this American refuses to pull any punches.
I hope Korea enjoyed it’s time in the sun, cause the party is over.
…toxic…
About time the Korean upper class gets its due. Get your kiddies back in the Korean schools.
Give the visas that usually go to the Koreans to the Filipinos instead. Never a better friend in Asia our country has had.
“Korea’s chickens are coming home to roost,” as told by the Rev. Jeremiah Kim at his Yeongdeungpo congregation.
Virginia? Virginia’s more concerned about mad Koreans than mad cows.
Why not organize an anti-Mad Korean Disease campaign, whereby Koreans are strictly refused U.S. visas (say for 30 months in order for the “import” to undergo a battery of rigorous psychiatric tests) as a preventative measure against another Virginia Tech-style massacre? Just a thought.
They’re most likely not satisfied with the English level and social understanding of these students after the time they’ve spent there. If they’re not interested in getting to know the culture, I’d be inclined to do the same, and dating an American guy/girl simply doesn’t cut it.
#17: *golf clap*
This article is a whole bunch of second-hand assumptions. A mother reporting that here daughter was denied because “she didn’t speak perfect English?” I’m sure if you dug deeper you’d find this a baseless claim. Another case of prime reporting in the ROK.
What are the specifics regarding why visa rejections are higher? Is there any proof that they’re higher, or are we arguing about a straw man?
Assuming it’s true, Koreans still make up the largest foreign student population at my current and previous university. They also make up more than half of the students of the two English language schools my wife attended in two different states. It’s a bit difficult to say that the U.S. is being unfair to Koreans.
Concerning not going home after they graduate, there is no doubt that increasing a country’s brainpower can bring about innovations will lead to profits for the country. At the same time, the duty of a government is to provide for its own citizens, and the more foreigners taking jobs means fewer citizens taking those jobs. To be fair, I’m not sure the U.S. has ever really cared about this, and given the low level of intelligence amongst my compatriots I can understand, to some extent, why.
Finally, and I’m not claiming that this is related to the alleged raise in visa rejections, but there are many Korean students in the U.S. who have strong anti-U.S. feelings (just as many of them don’t). Although I doubt this is a reason for raising visa rejections (as the embassy wouldn’t know most applicants political views), strong anti-US sentiment would be a legitimate reason to reject an applicant.
“And as far as great scientific contributions by Koreans in America ,………. I’m all ears.
(crickets chirping)”
http://www-kimgrp.lbl.gov/
Expert in x-ray crystallography. Publications dating back to 1965. Discovered the tertiary structure of transfer RNA. Analyzed the structure of cancer-causing mutated ras protein. Senior scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. Member of the U.S. National Academy of Science.
(My prediction is that AnunSaram’s response will be either “Only one? That’s an exception that proves the rule,” or “I said great scientific contributions, and his accomplishments don’t look all that great to me.”)
In most large embassies the visa approval section is staffed by locals and overseen by a handful of official, (from the embassies nation), immigration officers. The local officers will get first shot at weeding out people, and usually have a minimum quota, the countries official officers do the second look through. It wouldn’t surprise me if both these groups are harassed going to and from work every day, are getting pissed, and are now doing a very thorough job when it comes to weeding out applicants. (It’s human nature.) Immigration officers are often taken to task for not weeding out enough people, but hardly ever taken to task for weeding out too many. There is also no appeal process, so on the ground staff get to interpret the rules as they see fit. (I took a shot at the position of immigration officer once so I chatted with some people who did the job to get an idea of what it entailed. They told me one of the funnier things was in poorer countries you would often get applications from women that would contain nude photos! Of course calling up a woman who submitted a nude photo for a private interview was strictly forbidden!)
“I dunno, but the U.S. is saying “no” to a lot of $$$. Thus, it’s stupid.”
Actually maybe Korea will realize that the Americans can import top brains from places like India or other countries easily instead of from Korea. The options for the U.S. are virtually limitless. That’s why this whole “bite the hand that supports you” will probably really hurt the future of the R.O.K. I’m just not sure if they realize this yet.
Staff are also usually allowed to deny applications for unquantifiable reasons. Such as catching a weird vibe during the interview, or the application just seems hinky. So a pissed off immigration officer is not your best friend.
@4: Contrary to popular belief among Korean-Americans, not every Korean immigrant is a MENSA member we should welcome with open arms and thank our lucky stars for their presence. Why the arrogance?
#23: He means that they’ll end up spending a lot of won in the process of coming to the USA and living there, acrop.
#25: ‘Degree from good school’ does not equate to genius IQ. I don’t see how wangkon’s comment implies any differences in intelligence between Korean immigrants and others, but still the miscomprehension is taken and used to stereotype KA’s? I blame Korea and their beef that gives MKD to even non-Koreans (though American cock hate is turned into Korean brain hate).
The Korean embassy in Manila doesn’t hesitate to turn back or slow leak legitimate visa applications for filipina spouses of USFK personnel. Wonder if there is a connection here….
Would that be a bad thing, really…?
#11 It’s all about Karma. Maybe Koreans are getting back what they give.
That Anti-US propaganda taught in the public schools, as I always mention, maybe rolling back on them.
It’s a vicious circle, but what do you expect?
You can only talk shit about ot to someone before they start lashing back at you. Whether it’s Koreans against non-Koreans in the US or foreigners against Koreans in Korea.
#30…except the “other guys” were working on an A-Bomb, too. Would you rather that the Axis had built one first?
I think the guy who mentioned quotas is onto something. Since 9/11 the US has been steadily clamping down on student visas-and it may be that the South Koreans are finally feeling the effects. There is a lot of internal drama in in the USA this election year about illegal immigration (which can include students who arrive on a student visa-and just stay forever). It is too bad when a hard working student can’t get a visa to study abroad-no matter where they are from. EU students are getting turned down. African students are getting turned down (My friend’s fiancee from Africa had a Grad school acceptance and an American finacee and he was turned down the first time he applied). It is also a bit ironic when one considers the numbers of Irish immigrants in the NorthEast who visit on student or tourist visas and stay in America (I worked on a study abroad program in Boston-I saw this firsthand). But, the American public percieves that there are too many illegal immigrants utilizing American services in 2008-immigrants from everywhere. Argue all you want, but I would bet that this is NOT specific to anything having to do with US-Korean relations.
I think #21 has it about right. Shoddy journalism.
The Korean students should fly to Mexico then walk into the USA…. just sayin’.
Bull Pucky Times reports, “Americans fear mad Korea student disease…”
American Immigration reports, “to protect American students from seeing waves of Korea students dieing in their schools form Mad Cow, visas will have to be canceled….”
My GF just back from a 1 semester stint in NY and another 1 in Canada. The majority of her classmates and church-friends in the US were Korean nationals who attended the bare minimum of classes to keep their visa status… and the majority of church-friends had simply overstayed their visa… so many of them proud to live in the US, so many of them illegal f-ing aliens… and they still couldn’t drop their Daehanminguk attitudecalling me “foreigner” - hahaha.
The majority of classmates in Canada were Chinese and Korean nationals whose visa status had been rejected in the US. My nationalism was adequately hurt that Canada was merely a second choice for these border-runners.
None of the above were particularly high of intelligence. Most were in the late-20s to mid-30s, spending mom and dad’s money.
Bring in the Indians. They generally play better with others and those that I knew in grad school have all parked their brainpower in the US. This is in contrast with many of the Koreans who run back to Korea where they can actually speak the local language.
@11 Your comment made me laugh because in the past when I see your name in the hole, almost without fail I’ll find an anti-Korea post right below it. Now you are the negativity police.
#36, true.
Mad Koreans = 33 American deaths
Mad Cows = 0 American deaths
somehow i don’t see rejecting visa applications for kids who were accepted in to boarding schools as a potential loss of “brain power” for the US. if these were people who had received scholarships to schools or universities, then that might be true. but korean kids going to boarding schools are going to be the offspring of strictly the wealthy and that in no way implies “brain power”. it simply implies advantaged youth.
# 30,
Nah… it would just mean that the russians would have the bomb first and we’d have maybe a million more casualties in the Pacific war… and VJ day in June of 1946 and not August of 1945…
A much more costlier WWII, a vastly different Cold War.
Alternative history is nothing more than speculation. Some of it may be more informed than others, but it is still speculation.
@#41
Wouldn’t the hypothetical invasion of Japan take a lot longer than just another year? (And comes one of the moral dilemma taught in AP U.S. history…)
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Yay! Let’s show them Koreans what’s up by punishing… their students abroad. That’s not an irrational national policy produced from a sentimental/emotional response. So not childish at all.
Sometimes I get confused whether I’m reading MH or translated Naver site.
#4 wrote:
“Take out everybody who had an accent and special immigration treatment from the Manhattan Project and you won’t have had the A-bomb. Same for the space program.”
Amen to that. Of course the Soviets got their own share of German scientists after the defeat of Hitler….which is why Americans weren’t the only people putting satellites and men into space. The “real” Americans would likely not have gotten into space by themselves.
I read in the NYT that the U.S. is sponsoring educational trips to the U.S. for Musselmen youth in France and elsewhere that has had some modest success in moderating their heretofore strident anti-Western weltanscauung.
Perhaps instead of just granting student visas to Koreans and allowing them to congregate in Korean-exclusive groupings once in America, our government could provide a more directed program to visiting Korean students that may cause them to critically re-evaluate their knee-jerk anti-Americanism.
@44: How the hell do you know what real Americans could or could not have done? Real Americans figured out manned flight, so it’s a bit arrogant of you to disparage them, especially when such things were not even imagined by your grandfather and his generation of Koreans.
And amen to bringing into the U.S. those super-intelligent German and Jewish scientists who were, moreover, culturally compatible with real Americans, as you term them.
Yo doggie boy, German scientists were already making progress in rocket science under Hitler, and after the defeat and occupation of Germany by the US and Soviet forces, there was competition (and to some extent trade between the US and USSR) for German scientists. That was in 1945.
By the 1950s, satellites were being sent into space (first by the USSR and then by the US)….and then manned space flights followed. This all came from the works of German scientists who were already doing their work on rockets long before 1945. There was absolutely no known (that I am aware of) progress made in terms of rockets prior to the arrival of scientists from Europe who spoke accented English.
Oh yeah, don’t forget Jewish-German scientists like Einstein who came in the 1930s who had to strongly encourage FDR to get the A-bomb before Hitler (and Stalin) did. Thank God for them immigrants, eh Doggie? America under people like your grandfather would have stayed on their front porch with a straw between their teeth and sitting under a Confederate flag. Some contributing “Americans” they were!
Face it, America was BUILT by immigrants. And immigrants include people your forefathers (though I doubt your forefather’s productivity). The ONLY people who have any right to complain about people entering “their land”, meaning America, is MAYBE the native Americans (Indians), not you, dogbert.
Do you have to always resort to personal insults?
First, I already said “thank God” for the Jewish immigrants who chose to come to the U.S. and supply their brainpower. Had there been a Korean equivalent of Einstein or Von Braun (there wasn’t), that individual would have been welcomed as well.
Second, just because the Germans were ahead of everyone else in rocketry at the time doesn’t mean that “real Americans” would not have followed suit. As I said, Americans developed manned flight and many other technological innovations.
Now, all cultures are not on a level playing field. Koreans, for example, in 5000 years, had not come up with anything Americans (or others) hadn’t already. It’s clear what Einstein and Von Braun brought to the table … could Koreans have brought the same? Could Somalians? Could Papuans? Could Albanians? No.
Therefore, although it hurts your pride as an ethnic Korean, I have to reject your false assertion that all immigrants to the U.S. are equal and equally valuable. It’s too bad your pride won’t let you admit this.
Your juvenile insults merely make you look churlish and petty.
# 47,
Interestingly… even the American Indians may not have been the first human beings in North America, that distinction may in fact go to an Ainu-like race of people who’s skeletons appear to predate today’s American Indians.
So the greatest irony… the original Americans could have been Japanese islanders!!!
Hai!
But seriously, the people who argue that only the Indians are the true natives are somewhat misguided.
Look at the settlement of North and South America by a vast number of ethnic groups: do you think they all got together one day and divvied up real estate? Don’t be stupid. One group after another drove their neighbors away and in some cases, exterminated them. The arrival of Europeans was merely another step in the same dance.
dogbert, nice to see you clump us together w/Somalians, Papuans and Albanians when it comes to technical abilities.
Let me know when Somalians, Papuans and Albanians (combined) make up +10% and +5% of UC Berkely and Harvard’s student body. We are still a relatively new immigrant group. Yes we still have our Little Italys and Germantowns, but give us two more generations. I guarenttee you’ll have a lot less to complain about. I’ll also guarenttee you by that time, you’ll be able to go into a typical Kroger’s frozen food section and grab yourself a bulgogi burrito made by Kraft.
Oh… and it will be called a teriaki beef wrap because Americans can’t freak’in pronounce bulgogi and Americans simply don’t like saying burrito.
Doggie, you gotta be prepared to get as well as give, so don’t talk about my “insults” without looking over your own snarky remarks prior to what I wrote.
My “ethnic pride” isn’t hurt at all when I belong to a group known for its excellence in academics and, to a lesser extent, in entrepreneurial business. Then we have those Koreans who were established white collar people here in America since the early 1960s, long before the grocers and dry-cleaning wave of immigrants came, who are successful. Overall, I would say Koreans have done pretty okay here in America and have been productive citizens.
I don’t know what ethnic group you think YOU represent, but don’t be jealous of Koreans’ success here in America and don’t be bitter. Just accept whatever it is your ethnic group (be it the Irish or the Polish or whatever your forefathers were) and be happy with it. Don’t be bitter that “my” group has done so well. I’m sure your ethnic group had SOME successes along the way. Think real hard and I’m sure you can find some.
America don’t belong to you, so if your argument is what YOUR people accomplished (and don’t include yourself among the blue-blood WASPs who likely don’t count you as one of their own) versus “mine”, we can go down the list. YOUR people aren’t all white people anymore than MY people are all Asians in this world so don’t take credit for the accomplishment of all white people throughout history in this great country of ours.
That’s the point you fail to grasp and which makes you such a sad case: America belongs to those who are Americans. America has thrived because of people like my family who came to this country decades ago and worked hard.
And if people like yourself are bitter because of that….get over it.
At the time, i.e. 1900-1945. Having since learned modern technology from the Americans, Japanese, and Russians of course Koreans are far ahead of Ghana, the Phillipines, etc. in such matters, which certainly speaks well of them.
A number of their scientists, though, certainly seem to have “issues”, so to speak.
I will always have something to complain about because I favor moderate, planned population growth with some thought toward demographic realities.
JK, it is clear your pride is wounded. You are just compensating with false bravado.
Certainly, Koreans in America can feel some pride, but for so many it is twisted into a bitter arrogance, such as you display. This attitude makes you roundly disliked by many, sad to say.
Americans who lived here before Korean immigration changed from a flood to a trickle certainly do have the right to their opinion. America does belong to Americans and Americans (including Korean-Americans) had and continue to have the right to control immigration, notwithstanding the fact we lately have been doing a poor job of it.
“Give me your tired, your poor, …” is a poem, not federal law.
LOL.. I meant “from a trickle to a flood.” Serious Freudian slippage.
Recent developments in Seoul suggest LMB’s key reforms will go nowhere in the face of French-style obstructionism on all fronts. This in turn means emigration will remain the only sure way for another generation of Koreans to live under rule of law in a full market economy. A sad state of affairs.
Sigh. You are pathetic, dogbert.
I just find it funny and ironic that those like yourself who complain the most about racism from Koreans and kyopos are themselves the biggest racists around.
But sorry for teaching you the truth, dogbert. Let’s go back to talking about how your Irish and Polish forefathers were about to build the latest rockets and A-bombs if not for those damn immigrants from Germany that came in the 1930s and 40s that got in the way….
JK, I have been guilty of insulting you. I’ve realized that does not add anything constructive to the discussion and so will refrain from doing so. Can’t you be man enough to accept that?
BTW, I’m neither Irish nor Polish, not that that there’s anything wrong with that.
You have not taught me the truth. You cannot prove that Americans would not have continued down the path of aeronautic innovation they started. I can’t believe there are people who dispute that.
Maybe the Wright Brothers in turn had been inspired by the secret treatises on flight by King Sejong, perhaps? LOL
Dogbert,
I’d agree with you that a huge swarm of unwashed, uneducated immigrants have very little short term benifit to America besides sweatshop labor (meaning we’d have to transport all those Irish people fleeing the potato famine back into the loving arms of the English, but anyways). However, I’d have to disagree with you on more educated immigration. First of all, the numbers we are talking about are much smaller, so having so many of these kinds of immigrants isn’t going to change the complexion of America so much in the long term. America contributing to the brain drain of other countries is directly to the advantage of America.
As for my family, it first came here because my uncle wanted to study in the states, came with a student visa, liked what he saw (in the deep south of all places!) and decided to stay after getting his PhD from Emory in sports medicine. His contribution to America? Innovating special rehabilitation exercises to help athletes recover from what was in the past career ending injuries. My sister just got into a drug research grad program at a damn nice university where if she passes, she’s guaranteed a spot at the Center of Disease Control. If she makes it to the CDC, then she’ll be working to make America saver from bioterror. I know these things are considerabily more modest than an Robert Oppenheimer or an Albert Einstein, but it’s a positive contribution nonetheless.
I guess my point is that it’s crazy to not let smart people immigrate to your country.
I meant “safer” not “saver”…
Good on you and your family. An immigration policy that took account of such factors would be great, hope to see one implemented by the next century.
Out of curiosity, what inspired your uncle not to return to Korea to contribute to society and for the rest of the family to join hom in the U.S.? Correct me if I’m wrong, but in those days, the Korean government did not allow everyone who wanted to study outside Korea to do so and also expected those who did to return to pay back what had been invested in them.
“Maybe the Wright Brothers in turn had been inspired by the secret treatises on flight by King Sejong, perhaps?”
So you identify me, an American, with people in Korea (which in and of itself is not wrong) yet you apparently identify yourself with all white Americans and their accomplishments when you reference the Wright brothers. Interesting inconsistency on your part which shows your logical fallacy.
A more consistent, and logical, argument would be, if you are going to mention Kong Sejong or some other Korean historical figure in connection with me and my ethnicity, you mention famous figures from your ethnic heritage, like Jimmy Conway or Dean O’Banion or whoever if you’re Irish and Chopin, Marie Curie, and Lech Wałęsa if you’re of Polish descent.
But since you are obviously ashamed of your ethnic heritage and the land of your forefathers you try to take credit for the accomplishments of….the Wright Brothers?? OMG….like they would even want to be associated with someone like you, dogbert.
JK, I’ve already told you I’m neither Irish nor Polish. Do you have a pathological need to lie? FWIW, I am not identifying you with a wider group. You only represent yourself, thanks be to Buddha.
Do you need to keep insulting me to prop up your fragile ego? Try to man up, JK, and let’s have a dialogue without your childish insults.
Try to follow wangkon’s example — there’s a decent, smart, well-spoken guy.
my family’s been here for a hundred years or so. currently, my only contribution to society has been to keep the few bars i frequent nearly solvent.
i’m thinking a lot of these unwashed, uneducated immigrants do way more to make this country not suck than i do. in fact, i’m depending on their kids to keep shit together when i’m old and incontinent so i don’t have to get a job cleaning up after other people’s incontinence when i’m 90.
basically, i don’t understand how people are able to so easily quantify the worth and suss out the motivations of a potential new citizen.
Wangkon936 @ #61:
Don’t you find it ironic that you feel the need to give personal information about your Asian family to someone like dogbert because of his racist views of immigration and Asians in America and yet dogbert himself feels no need to do the same for HIS family….and just assumes it’s a given that he and his family are “good Americans” whose immigration to this country is not to be questioned for the simple fact that they were white?
And here he is, the loudest complainer about Korean and kyopo racists….
@66: And I don’t see how people _can’t_.
Of the eight Korean college students I’ve met recently, 3 overstayed their visas, two graduated from a community college, one was tried and acquitted for domestic abuse against another (who lied to keep him and his money paying for an American baby), and one intends to graduate next year from a community college. The two who graduated already and the one who plans to had Business Administration degrees from Korean colleges before coming to the US…
Scholastically, Koreans are no different than any other group. Some are top students. Some are average. Some would be better spending the money on something else.
The whole race thing is a red herring. There are political motives behind a lot of this visa process–and the Korean Government might want to ask how much longer it’ll take before 2ID moves all of their brigades off-shore rather than keep them under Pyongyang’s guns…
JK, why should I give out personal information when you wouldn’t believe it anyway? Or else use it to harass me.
I’m not a narcissist, so I don’t have a myspace page or a xanga blog, where I go off about my abs, or how I’m the “boyfriend killer” or other such self-glorifying, un-Christian hooey.
@68: I guess aphorisms like “don’t judge a book by the size of its font” aren’t really for you, huh?
i’ve got a friend whose ancestor’s contribution to society was to shoot abraham lincoln in the head.
i guess “contribution” would be the wrong word.
what determines for you if an immigrant is a “good” or “bad” one?
jtb,
If you were referring to my comments, I guess my point was directed at the benifits of attracting educated immigrants, not on Korean immigration specifically.
It’s not even about good or bad — it’s about having to draw a line. For example, there are over one billion people living in India. We can guess that at least half are “good” and of those, _at least_ half would emigrate to America tomorrow, if given the chance.
Now that would be a lot of “good” people in the U.S., but it would double our population overnight, put too much stress on resources, and reduce our quality of life in myriad ways. We have to draw a line.
I’m not even getting into ethnic and cultural dissimilarities: I used India as an example because of its huge population living in poverty who would like to emigrate.
@73: should quality of life be the most important thing we’re trying to protect?
i don’t think being able to afford a plasma tv comes up very often in those freedom/equality discussions.
Quality of life for our citizens should be a concern. I wonder why you think that’s not worth preserving.
And sure, we could live without plasma TVs.
Do you want to live without fresh water? Indoor plumbing? Open space? I’d love to see how smug and sarcastic you are when we start to lose those things due to overpopulation.
Dogbert still digging himself into a deeper and deeper hole with kyopos AND white people on this forum. This is gonna be fun to watch himself dig himself deeper.
I’ll believe you, dogbert; tell us some about yourself, your life, and your family since supposedly they are “real” Americans as opposed to me and my family. What gives them the status of “real” American? What were their contributions? Put up or shut up….since you made such a quick judgment about me and my family based on our being of Korean descent.
I don’t mean this as an insult, JK, but I think you need help.
i’m smug? i was asking for discussion’s sake. i’m sitting at home in front of a 40″ tv and drinking beer in the middle of a weekday. i fully understand and accept (well, not totally) my hypocrisy, i was just wondering how much of our “american values” of freedom and equality you’re willing to sacrifice for quality of life issues (and i don’t mean basic necessities).
In other words, you won’t do it, doggie, like I thought. So now since you won’t PUT up….SHUT up on the race issue. Please.
Thank you.
10 pm on Saturday night I wrote the word “toxic” near the top of this thread. Come back to it on Tuesday morning and find all this. Pretty sad, America.
Much as it pains you to walk out the door, dogbert, and see people who don’t look like you speaking languages you can’t understand, your country has not suffered from their presence.
Your numbers of legal and illegal immigrant go up, and so do your companies’ profits and your nation’s GDP. American cities do relatively poorly on global livability rankings, but that’s because of your own native (gun) culture, not the immigrants.
Some American industries are in decline, some sectors have had negative job growth. Again, the result of poor strategy and mismanagement by your natives, not because of the immigrants.
All in all, your country is pretty great. Your patriotic desire to maintain and promote its greatness is understandable. Your contention that maintaining and promoting a minimum level of whiteness in the population will safeguard that greatness, however, is meritless and disappointing.
Linkd,
Are you Canadian?
(booming Shao Khan voice)
*JK!*
*dogbert!*
FIGHT!
I hope the fatality is coming soon cause it’s gettin’ old.
I am.
So what are the visa rejection rate trends for other nationalities (as alluded to in the comments). Taking the Korea side out of context means a whole great big bunch of fuck all.
Canadian immigration policy is very practical. If you are educated and have skills, com’on over. Plus, Canadians strike me as people who look and sound like an average American, without the jingoistic rumblings of 2nd ammendment believing Americans. They also seem less threatening to people who are different, which makes me feel a little more comfortable. People are just a lot more chill about issues of race and differences up north.
However, I do wonder what Canadian immigration policy would be like if it had a huge southern neighbor that is overwhelming some of your bordering neighborhoods with undereducated, somewhat less orderly group of people. I have seen some pretty decent neighborhoods in Southern California deteriorate because of this.
I’m not advocating an immigration policy that many anti-immigration advocates in the U.S. look towards. You have to acknowledge that the cheap labor from our southern neighbors certainly helps our economy. But at the same time, you do have to moderate the population shift and you do need to control the borders. Without control of the borders, you accept the good with the bad. I’d like to have more control of what “bad” comes into the country. I personally favor more border control and providing people from poorer countries a form of “guest worker” status, where they can work in the U.S. for a while and if they are people in good standing with U.S. law enforcement, then you extend their guest worker status. After a period of time being a good worker and not being in trouble with any law, then you can get some sort of permanent status. So on and so forth.
I don’t know about visas for america, but perhaps robert would institute visas for visitors from occidentalism.cum.
This blog has adopted too much of the tone of that passive aggressive koreabash blog in recent months thanks to the migration of commenters from that blog such as dogbeat, sonagi and co.
I, on the other hand, maintain a positive contribution to this site through my stimulating commentary, and shall endeavor to continue to do so.
Sonagi strikes me as a universal skeptic (particularly when it comes to Korea and Koreans) rather then a plain vanilla koreabasher.
I think people are a bit more more complex than their comments may lead you to believe.
Commentor JohnT is a plain vanilla koreabasher. You poke him and venomous anti-Korean shit comes out.
I didn’t say anything about race … I’m talking population pressure. Canada does not yet have to worry about that; the U.S. does.
The US developed a solution to population pressures a long time, and this practice has been tried and tested both domestically and overseas to wonderful effect. For example, nuking or carpet-bombing Orange County would free up much required agricultural land within a few minutes.
I didn’t intend to imply sonagi is racist, my apologies.
Nonsense.
If the US had too many bodies in it compared to Canada, we would see such comparative evidence as:
Housing shortages, higher unemployment, greater energy intensity per GDP, falling GDP per capita, higher food prices, and declining immigration applications (as applicants become aware that the US is too crowded to accomodate them)…
Don’t know what measures you’re using to mask your desire to limit the number of brown people in your country, but compared to your northern neighbor, there is no evidence I know of that America is running into its population capacity limit.
If the US has indeed started acting “like a dick” and showing Korea there are actually consequences for expressing unhinged public loathing of America, then I applaud them. If China can do it, so can the United States.
I had a 19000 dollar scholarship and was rejected at the embassy. Americans with the authority to reject applications are arrogant. I was rejected because I haven’t lived in Korea that much.
I lost my scholarship and now I don’t know what to do with my life. I have to go to college somewhere in Korea and I don’t even speak much Korean.
I don’t understand how Americans can reject someone with perfect qualifications to go to the US. This pretty much ruined my and others’ plans for the future