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	<title>Comments on: So, Am I to Take it You Want an Apology, Then?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"My guesses would be archery, gymnastics, tae kwon do, or judo. (In other words, the only events they have any history of doing well in.) A Chinese archery conspiracy anyone?"


Korea got their asses handed to them on the 2007 Taekwondo world cup. 
It's especially bad when they cheat in international domestic tournaments</description>
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<p>Korea got their asses handed to them on the 2007 Taekwondo world cup.<br />
It&#8217;s especially bad when they cheat in international domestic tournaments</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"My guesses would be archery, gymnastics, tae kwon do, or judo. (In other words, the only events they have any history of doing well in.) A Chinese archery conspiracy anyone?"


Korea got their asses handed to them on the 2007 Taekwondo world cup. 
It's especially bad when they cheat in international domestic tournaments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My guesses would be archery, gymnastics, tae kwon do, or judo. (In other words, the only events they have any history of doing well in.) A Chinese archery conspiracy anyone?&#8221;</p>
<p>Korea got their asses handed to them on the 2007 Taekwondo world cup.<br />
It&#8217;s especially bad when they cheat in international domestic tournaments</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165334</link>
		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bumfromkorea, about racism and prejudice supposedly being "endemic in human society: "Um… the fact that it existed in human history as far back as people realized they could write stuff down and all the way up to mid-late 20th century? I mean, it’s 6000 years of that crap that we know of in the world vs. last 30~40 years in U.S. I’d say that’s a pretty convincing argument."

No, that's a logical fallacy, for the same reason that investors are notified that past performance is no indication of future results. The argument willfully ignores the fact of progress, the dynamicism of culture.  The brutish behavior that was commonplace in the middle ages, treatment of women as property, child labor, witch burning, slavery religious persecution - none of these things are culturally abhorant today although they arguably existed for the greater part of mankind's history.  It has been noted that the pace of change over the past 30 - 40 years has far exceedeed that of the past.

Ray Kurzweil writes about the accelerating pace of technological chanve in "The Law of Accelerating Returns". This has obviously had a cultural impact:

"An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense "intuitive linear" view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century -- it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today's rate). The "returns," such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity -- technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bumfromkorea, about racism and prejudice supposedly being &#8220;endemic in human society: &#8220;Um… the fact that it existed in human history as far back as people realized they could write stuff down and all the way up to mid-late 20th century? I mean, it’s 6000 years of that crap that we know of in the world vs. last 30~40 years in U.S. I’d say that’s a pretty convincing argument.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s a logical fallacy, for the same reason that investors are notified that past performance is no indication of future results. The argument willfully ignores the fact of progress, the dynamicism of culture.  The brutish behavior that was commonplace in the middle ages, treatment of women as property, child labor, witch burning, slavery religious persecution - none of these things are culturally abhorant today although they arguably existed for the greater part of mankind&#8217;s history.  It has been noted that the pace of change over the past 30 - 40 years has far exceedeed that of the past.</p>
<p>Ray Kurzweil writes about the accelerating pace of technological chanve in &#8220;The Law of Accelerating Returns&#8221;. This has obviously had a cultural impact:</p>
<p>&#8220;An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense &#8220;intuitive linear&#8221; view. So we won&#8217;t experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century &#8212; it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today&#8217;s rate). The &#8220;returns,&#8221; such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There&#8217;s even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity &#8212; technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: stacked</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165283</link>
		<dc:creator>stacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are a couple million foreigners in the us that want the same thing koehler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are a couple million foreigners in the us that want the same thing koehler</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165123</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawi loves my posts. He loves to prentend indication at the hard facts by labling them "bullshit lies." 

Ad hominem arguments exhausted, he then floats the lioe that there is are foreign criticisms about Japan. Apparantly, he's never spoken with Tom Coyner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawi loves my posts. He loves to prentend indication at the hard facts by labling them &#8220;bullshit lies.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ad hominem arguments exhausted, he then floats the lioe that there is are foreign criticisms about Japan. Apparantly, he&#8217;s never spoken with Tom Coyner.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165091</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'The reason Westerners are sensitive to Korean racism is not that they are whiners, but because they come from nations in which racism is culturally unacceptable, and they believe this to be a universal moral principle.'

a bullshit lie. if the expat wasn't the object of mild racism in korea, he wouldn't be saying anything about it. all you need to do is look to japan for that; the japanese are horribly racist to third world peoples plus koreans but you don't hear 'whitey' whinning about that, do you? universal moral principle? good to see king done took care of that. 

don't fool youself. america's racial harmony came about because white america really had no choice. that's what happens when your population is 30% minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The reason Westerners are sensitive to Korean racism is not that they are whiners, but because they come from nations in which racism is culturally unacceptable, and they believe this to be a universal moral principle.&#8217;</p>
<p>a bullshit lie. if the expat wasn&#8217;t the object of mild racism in korea, he wouldn&#8217;t be saying anything about it. all you need to do is look to japan for that; the japanese are horribly racist to third world peoples plus koreans but you don&#8217;t hear &#8216;whitey&#8217; whinning about that, do you? universal moral principle? good to see king done took care of that. </p>
<p>don&#8217;t fool youself. america&#8217;s racial harmony came about because white america really had no choice. that&#8217;s what happens when your population is 30% minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165084</link>
		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I do not really give a rat's ass if Koreans hate "Whitey." But if they are going to hate "Whitey" then it would behove them to stop using "Whitey" for their own protection. It would behove them to let "Whitey's" military, along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it, GO HOME. It would behove them to stand up and act like adults.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I do not really give a rat&#8217;s ass if Koreans hate &#8220;Whitey.&#8221; But if they are going to hate &#8220;Whitey&#8221; then it would behove them to stop using &#8220;Whitey&#8221; for their own protection. It would behove them to let &#8220;Whitey&#8217;s&#8221; military, along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it, GO HOME. It would behove them to stand up and act like adults.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/21/so-am-i-to-take-it-you-want-an-apology-then/#comment-165041</link>
		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 "The burning question for now is, just WHICH Olympic event will provide the spark to throw Korea into a frenzy of indignation…..

My guesses would be archery, gymnastics, tae kwon do, or judo.  (In other words, the only events they have any history of doing well in.)  A Chinese archery conspiracy anyone?

#29 - "How many Koreans have seen NO KOREANS signs in the US in the last four decades?"

None, but I saw a "Koreans only" sign (written in Korean) in Vancouver eight or nine years ago.  Don't think this is the norm for Korean-Canadians or Korean expats in Canada, but I remember it really annoying me at the time.  My Korean wife-to-be wasn't impressed either, but I still managed to bitch about it long and loud enough to piss her off for the rest of the day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 &#8220;The burning question for now is, just WHICH Olympic event will provide the spark to throw Korea into a frenzy of indignation…..</p>
<p>My guesses would be archery, gymnastics, tae kwon do, or judo.  (In other words, the only events they have any history of doing well in.)  A Chinese archery conspiracy anyone?</p>
<p>#29 - &#8220;How many Koreans have seen NO KOREANS signs in the US in the last four decades?&#8221;</p>
<p>None, but I saw a &#8220;Koreans only&#8221; sign (written in Korean) in Vancouver eight or nine years ago.  Don&#8217;t think this is the norm for Korean-Canadians or Korean expats in Canada, but I remember it really annoying me at the time.  My Korean wife-to-be wasn&#8217;t impressed either, but I still managed to bitch about it long and loud enough to piss her off for the rest of the day!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, when in Korea, do as Koreans do! Right? At least that's what Koreans and some foreigners say anyway. Koreans do this, now a foreigners is being like a Korean!

Besides, it's ok for everyone except "white" people to be racist.

Korea is a good example of this.

It's ok to put up NO FOREIGNERS/AMERICANS signs, but it's not ok to put NO KOREAN signs. Don't you people get that.

How many Koreans have seen NO KOREANS signs in the US in the last four decades? I'm sure there are many examples.

Victimhood is a beautiful thing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, when in Korea, do as Koreans do! Right? At least that&#8217;s what Koreans and some foreigners say anyway. Koreans do this, now a foreigners is being like a Korean!</p>
<p>Besides, it&#8217;s ok for everyone except &#8220;white&#8221; people to be racist.</p>
<p>Korea is a good example of this.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ok to put up NO FOREIGNERS/AMERICANS signs, but it&#8217;s not ok to put NO KOREAN signs. Don&#8217;t you people get that.</p>
<p>How many Koreans have seen NO KOREANS signs in the US in the last four decades? I&#8217;m sure there are many examples.</p>
<p>Victimhood is a beautiful thing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Keyser Soze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keyser Soze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"An apology? Please be serious. They don’t even apologize to each other.

Reflection? A country where ‘gag’ comedy is on TV 24/7?

The only thing to take away from this story whole issue is to see how long it takes for the next xenophobic issue(i.e. something that includes the US, Japan, English teacher, or global business)that manages to capture the imagination of Korea’s unemployed, underpaid, easy influenced, and politically motivated minions.

My bet: Korean athlete throws temper tantrum at ‘08 Olympics after getting ‘SCREWED’…News at 11."

I have to agree 95%.  My only point of contention is with describing Korea's minions as "underpaid".  For their work output, they are making too much money....

The burning question for now is, just WHICH Olympic event will provide the spark to throw Korea into a frenzy of indignation.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;An apology? Please be serious. They don’t even apologize to each other.</p>
<p>Reflection? A country where ‘gag’ comedy is on TV 24/7?</p>
<p>The only thing to take away from this story whole issue is to see how long it takes for the next xenophobic issue(i.e. something that includes the US, Japan, English teacher, or global business)that manages to capture the imagination of Korea’s unemployed, underpaid, easy influenced, and politically motivated minions.</p>
<p>My bet: Korean athlete throws temper tantrum at ‘08 Olympics after getting ‘SCREWED’…News at 11.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to agree 95%.  My only point of contention is with describing Korea&#8217;s minions as &#8220;underpaid&#8221;.  For their work output, they are making too much money&#8230;.</p>
<p>The burning question for now is, just WHICH Olympic event will provide the spark to throw Korea into a frenzy of indignation&#8230;..</p>
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