SF Chronicle ASIAN POP columnist Jeff Yang goes “where angels fear to tread” by tackling everybody’s favorite subject, interracial romance and the Asian American community, with particular emphasis on Asian American men and interracial lovin’.
(HT to Hamel)
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Had never heard of AznLover.com. Might sign up. And don’t bother
stalkingsearching for me, Pawi, because I’ll choose a different username.Sonagi,
Is this a sociological experiment, or do you actually like Asian men?
Take our hippo’s….please!
But even for the hot white chicks, Asian guys, go right ahead – take all you want. We couldn’t care less. These ball-breakers with a sense of entitlement the size of the Empire State building and a sexual history that dwarfs yours (or ours, nothing snide meant by that to you) will make you understand why men in America are renowned for not wanting to get married.
But go ahead, don’t take my word for it!
I just joined and I’m even going to post photos. I like men, period, but with my overseas living and traveling experience in East Asia, I’d be especially interested in any man with an ancestral or experiential connection to East Asia.
Did I mention I like younger men, Won Joon, and that I find the word “fora” mildly erotic?
well done article and good to see that kind of network thriving.
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=CHANNAKAJIMA
Starting out cute, but I predict 150+ comments, a few flame wars, jingoism, chest thumping, name calling and pawi claiming that he’s traced an expat’s ip address to a sex site.
re: WangKon’s whimsy, I wish my IP address was a sex site but it always seems to end up routing to some kornet hell-hole in Bundang or Seocho-gu.
where angels fear to tread
Actually, the complete phrase is “where fools rush in but angels fear to tread”, which is the preface to Wu Tingfang’s chapter on American women in his rare and intriguing 1914 book “America through the spectacles of an Oriental diplomat”.
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=1Q3WLX1RVK8C&dq=oriental+diplomat+on+america&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=-sY8jWlsr8&sig=nkYOkzsWRnYUuPVLqkXzWgWsoWI&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result
God…. that aznlover website is just plain embarrassing. To me, the whole website seems to be dedicated to showing non-asian women why asian men are supposedly great. I wanna barf…
Jeff Yang’s article was the best I’ve read in recent memory about AM/XF relationships. I found the many references to actual AM/XF relationships to be especially enlightening and productive.
It thankfully steered clear of any obvious whining, self-pity, chest-thumping, and laying the blame on whitey for Everything Evil That Has Fallen Upon Asian Men ™.
Overall, a very nice article.
# 7,
… and the first penis reference in about, oh say comment 41.
Re: #10:
“God…. that aznlover website is just plain embarrassing. To me, the whole website seems to be dedicated to showing non-asian women why asian men are supposedly great. I wanna barf…”
It’s no worse than most other dating or psuedo-dating (*ahem* Flickr *ahem*) sites I’ve seen.
It’s just the nature of the game called “Internet dating”, it seems, and it is unfortunately mostly a game. Not largely by design, but largely by accident.
Damn, I haven’t had enough coffee yet. I meant “MySpace”, not “Flickr”.
Flickr is mostly fine. MySpace seems to be a magnet for the worst side of human relationships.
MySpace RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Did I mention I like younger men, Won Joon, and that I find the word “fora” mildly erotic?”
No smiley, Sonagi, so looks like WonJoon shortly going to be part of your sociological experiment…. ;=)
PS How do you get a proper smiley…I seem only to be able to enter plain text
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is so typical of the expat. The expat goes and, then, suddenly, um… damn. I need to pay more attention to Pawi’s posts. I don’t actually know how his rants go.
but yah.. expat, blah blah blah, typical, blah blah blah, hypocricy, blah blah blah, our women, blah blah, blah.
It’s ok for Asian men to date outside their race, but “their” women can not.
Korea (not all, but most Koreans) is a great example this.
How many Korean men/women call Korean males sluts for dating a foreign woman?
Never heard of it.
Now how many Korean men/women call Korean females sluts for dating a foreign man?
Always hear about it, even from gyopos at times!
And yeah, I’ve got no problems with anyone dating outside their race.
Anyone who believes in the whole race traitor thing is nothing more than a Nazi and should be treated like a Nazi.
What, you mean dressed up in a funky Hugo Boss uniform and driven all around Europe in a Mercedes-Benz convertible for a couple of years? Things could be worse.
# 8,
I googled kornet and all I get is a Russian anti-tank missile (which incidently can bore through the frontal armor of an American M1A1 tank, but I knew that already).
Why is JohnT writing in wjk’s one line a thought style?
Scary.
If there is a yin, there must be a yang.
If WJK is Yin.
Then JohnT is Yang.
Scary.
I wonder, what do these isolated sentences
signify? What essential difference
does wjk or JohnT try to express
with this disjointed format?
Is this how they think?
Each sentence suspended in a void?
each thought isolated from all others?
each theme independent of the rest?
“I found myself only going out with Asian guys. It was a purely aesthetic choice: I just think Asian men are beautiful. And if you don’t, too bad.”
It’s that damn nefarious objectifying black matriachy again.
Umm?
this is a boring subject. it would be wrong to expect an asian american man or woman to stay within the race when it comes to relationships. that means their choice would be limited to less than 1.5% of the general population. people should date who they want to date.
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‘searching for me….’
I didn’t search for you. I go to Google news, read the main page, then type in South Korea. When I did that yesterday, under blogs, I saw your name because something you had written was being highlighted. Like I said before, I wouldn’t spend my time trying to find out anything about any of you cause I really don’t care. You’re net people, not real people.
One of the students in my university English class (here in Kyonggi Province) brought up interracial dating (it was a chapter in our textbook), so I asked my class of about 40, “Would your guys parents be OK if you dated a foreigner?” EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM shook their head and said “No.” I decided to ask my next classes and their responses were generally the same. I’m not the most naive guy in the world, but this really surprised me. Kind of scary.
Enter the Pawi. Let battle commence!
Only if he’s willing to volunteer without compensation. To make a smiley, type a colon followed by the closing parenthesis. To make a wink, use a semicolon instead.
The image of Sonagi getting her freak on with a pimply-faced, chain-smoking Starcraft wizard worried about catching vCJD if she touches him is worth a chuckle.
I didn’t search for you. I go to Google news, read the main page, then type in South Korea. When I did that yesterday, under blogs, I saw your name because something you had written was being highlighted. Like I said before, I wouldn’t spend my time trying to find out anything about any of you cause I really don’t care. You’re net people, not real people.
Do you need some periods? Here, have a handful………………………………………….
When Goose speaks he is having his period.
For once, I agree with pawi 100%:
dogbert’s comment, however, was even more racist than usual:
Score for this comment section:
Pawi : 1
Dogbert : 0
MigukNamja, I don’t see how dogbert’s comment is racist. How?
Great, another person politicizing my marriage.
I suppose it’s worth mentioning that racial inter-marriages were not unheard of prior to Loving vs. Virginia. That case struck down miscegenation laws in some 13 or so states. The rest had no such laws, or they had long been adjudged inoperable. The fact that interracial mixing was not all that common, outside of a few small enclaves, merely underlines the fact that it was a vastly different America in those days. Understand that prior to 1919, there was no network of roads for cross country transportation. These were developed in the period between WWI and WWII, but even those were not up to Interstate Highway standards. Up until the mid-1950s, rail was the most important national cargo and passenger transportation system, although the airline and trucking industries were taking off. The end result was a far more regionally oriented America where intermarriage meant marrying outside your own small group, i.e.., yankee-southern, roman catholic-protestant, upper middle class-working class, etc. Racial mixing has been going on since the first White climbed off the boat, and it was a theme dealt with in novels (James A. Michener), plays (South Pacific, West Side story), and movies (previous plus Guess who’s coming to dinner), most of which apppeared before the Supreme Court decided to give miscegenation laws the coup de grace.
@32: Shak’s right: my comment was not racist. Don’t be a tool.
Now, the real problem with Jeff Yang’s article (Ghod, has the quality of “reporting” in the U.S. major dailies declined!):
1. He quotes a nutizen, “Dialectic”, who runs the “Fighting 44s” web-board, which itself is a cesspit of racism. He may as well have quoted someone off Stormfront. It’s that bad. Zero credibility for Yang.
2. Yang, in his opening, alludes to the real problem: Asian racism. The Asian male outmarriage rate suffers because of the racism of the parents, who look down on white people, despite having chosen to live in white-dominated countries. If these old-world racist Asian parents continually drum into their children the message that they can’t marry whites, how can whites be blamed? Ludicrous.
3. Yang blames the “white standard of beauty”. Another old canard. Well, if the white standard of beauty is so powerful, why then are white men marrying Asian women? Hmm? No one talks about that.
4. Yang quotes white women who like Asian men approvingly, without labeling them “Asiaphiles”. Hypocritical double standard.
The article was a piece of shit.
Go to the website, Dogbert and Johnson, and check out the tasteful adult photo section. Lots of gettin’ the freak on, but no hippos or pimply-faced, chain-smoking, Starcraft players.
Right, because people _always_ use accurate photos on dating sites.
Good luck, white cougar.
Nah, I don’t think dogbert is a racist either. He’s just really politically incorrect…
Thanks … just trying to make folks smile:)
Having a bit of an Iago complex there, dogbert?
Good luck, white cougar.
That’s one of my favorite Jack London stories.
[Robert knows I read the blog, so it's not like I wouldn't have seen this thread even if I didn't get a gAlert]…
To Dogbert’s comments:
–Yeah, reporting quality has gone to hell in American media in general. Luckily, my piece hasn’t led to America being mired in an endless occupation in hostile territory, though based on the fusillade of comments on and off the piece (some well taken, some dumbass, many ultra-racist) it sure does feel that way
–I don’t approve or disapprove of anyone doing anything relationshipwise, as those who read the article to its conclusion might actually be aware: I think that government and media are lousy referees in the arena of sex and romance. However, it’s clear from the reaction to the article that everyone else is, too.
–Oh yes: The point of quoting “Dialectic” was to highlight the existence of loud, “politically incorrect” voices who persistently scathe the webwaves on this topic. You know, the kind of value-added commentators who reflexively call people “tools” and “nutizens” and dismiss their work as a “piece of shit” from a position of gleeful anonymity. They’re the best!
You’re parents are the racists, friend, not me.
“You’re”, of course, should have been “your”.
Nice non sequitur, BTW. I opposed the first Gulf War and certainly have opposed the second.
Who hasn’t? Asian-American John Yoo, legitimizer of government torture.
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