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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/17/did-bush-ignore-beef-industry-plea-to-go-slow/#comment-164233</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mizar5, for your reference,
US tested 764,000 cows and found 2 BSE, according to this article by USDA staff. The ratio is 1 in 382,000.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-03-oppose_x.htm

Japan tested 8,176,946 cows and found 21 BSE as of May 2008. The ratio is 1 in 389,378.
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html

The ratio is about the same. Since Japan tests all the cows before processing, Japanese beef is safer than US beef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mizar5, for your reference,<br />
US tested 764,000 cows and found 2 BSE, according to this article by USDA staff. The ratio is 1 in 382,000.<br />
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-03-oppose_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....pose_x.htm</a></p>
<p>Japan tested 8,176,946 cows and found 21 BSE as of May 2008. The ratio is 1 in 389,378.<br />
<a href="http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html</a></p>
<p>The ratio is about the same. Since Japan tests all the cows before processing, Japanese beef is safer than US beef.</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/17/did-bush-ignore-beef-industry-plea-to-go-slow/#comment-164187</link>
		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RETRACTION - That was Austria, not Australia. Australia gets a clean bill of health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RETRACTION - That was Austria, not Australia. Australia gets a clean bill of health.</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/17/did-bush-ignore-beef-industry-plea-to-go-slow/#comment-164179</link>
		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I'd share some interesting statistics with you from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_cow_disease

Country               BSE cases   vCJD cases   
Austria                 5              0 
Belgium                 125            0 
Canada                  10             1 
Czech Republic          9              0 
Denmark                 15             0 
Falkland Islands        1              0 
Finland                 1              0 
France                  900            11 
Germany                 312            0 
Greece                  1              0 
Hong Kong               2              0 
Israel                  1              0 
Italy                   117            1 
Japan                   26             1 
Liechtenstein           2              0 
Luxembourg              2              1 
Netherlands             75             2 
Oman                    2              0 
Poland                  21             0 
Portugal                875            2 
Republic of Ireland     1,353          4 
Slovakia                15             0 
Slovenia                7              0 
Spain                   412            2 
Sweden                  1              0 
Switzerland             453            0 
Thailand                               2 
United Kingdom         183,823         163 
United States           3              3 
Total                  188,535         193 

What was that about Aussie beef being safer because of grass feeding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d share some interesting statistics with you from Wikipedia:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_cow_disease" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_cow_disease</a></p>
<p>Country               BSE cases   vCJD cases<br />
Austria                 5              0<br />
Belgium                 125            0<br />
Canada                  10             1<br />
Czech Republic          9              0<br />
Denmark                 15             0<br />
Falkland Islands        1              0<br />
Finland                 1              0<br />
France                  900            11<br />
Germany                 312            0<br />
Greece                  1              0<br />
Hong Kong               2              0<br />
Israel                  1              0<br />
Italy                   117            1<br />
Japan                   26             1<br />
Liechtenstein           2              0<br />
Luxembourg              2              1<br />
Netherlands             75             2<br />
Oman                    2              0<br />
Poland                  21             0<br />
Portugal                875            2<br />
Republic of Ireland     1,353          4<br />
Slovakia                15             0<br />
Slovenia                7              0<br />
Spain                   412            2<br />
Sweden                  1              0<br />
Switzerland             453            0<br />
Thailand                               2<br />
United Kingdom         183,823         163<br />
United States           3              3<br />
Total                  188,535         193 </p>
<p>What was that about Aussie beef being safer because of grass feeding?</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/17/did-bush-ignore-beef-industry-plea-to-go-slow/#comment-164073</link>
		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J: "the US beef industry adamantly refuses to test cows, in order to, I suspect, hide large number of BSE cows in the US."

Testing has already disproven that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J: &#8220;the US beef industry adamantly refuses to test cows, in order to, I suspect, hide large number of BSE cows in the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Testing has already disproven that.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 Wedge
"If the Japanese want veal let them eat veal. Keeping their market closed to older beef only hurts them."

Japanese consumers want the beef tested free of BSE. If US beef industry agrees to test cows older than 20 months, Japan will allow such import. Simple as that. Things get complicated since US beef industry adamantly refuses to test cows, in order to, I suspect, hide large number of BSE cows in the US.

#15 The Goat.
There is no scientific evidence that cows younger than 20 months are immune to BSE. So, there is no scientific evidence that they need not be tested.

US is categorized as a “controlled BSE risk country” by OIE. 
http://www.oie.int/eng/info/en_statesb.htm
To export beef from “controlled” countries, the exporters must attest that “the cattle from which the fresh meat and meat products were derived passed ante-mortem and post-mortem inspections.” (Article 2.3.13.11. of Terrestrial Animal Health Code of OIE)
http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_2.3.13.htm
I wonder what kind of inspections do US producers have, if they have any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 Wedge<br />
&#8220;If the Japanese want veal let them eat veal. Keeping their market closed to older beef only hurts them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Japanese consumers want the beef tested free of BSE. If US beef industry agrees to test cows older than 20 months, Japan will allow such import. Simple as that. Things get complicated since US beef industry adamantly refuses to test cows, in order to, I suspect, hide large number of BSE cows in the US.</p>
<p>#15 The Goat.<br />
There is no scientific evidence that cows younger than 20 months are immune to BSE. So, there is no scientific evidence that they need not be tested.</p>
<p>US is categorized as a “controlled BSE risk country” by OIE.<br />
<a href="http://www.oie.int/eng/info/en_statesb.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oie.int/eng/info/en_statesb.htm</a><br />
To export beef from “controlled” countries, the exporters must attest that “the cattle from which the fresh meat and meat products were derived passed ante-mortem and post-mortem inspections.” (Article 2.3.13.11. of Terrestrial Animal Health Code of OIE)<br />
<a href="http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_2.3.13.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/.....2.3.13.htm</a><br />
I wonder what kind of inspections do US producers have, if they have any.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/17/did-bush-ignore-beef-industry-plea-to-go-slow/#comment-163709</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t understand who they mean by “beef industry officials.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably the &lt;a href="http://www.usmef.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;US Meat Export Federation&lt;/a&gt; (USMEF).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t understand who they mean by “beef industry officials.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Probably the <a href="http://www.usmef.org/" rel="nofollow">US Meat Export Federation</a> (USMEF).</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Japanese want veal let them eat veal. Keeping their market closed to older beef only hurts them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Japanese want veal let them eat veal. Keeping their market closed to older beef only hurts them.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea is a DEVELOPING nation...get over it all you draft dodgers who deserved to be called such. Sorry, but Korea ain't a first world nation.

Korea is not Japan. Koreans need to realize this. Korea isn't the US's number one trading partner or even a fully developed country and doesn't deserve to be treated as such.

Again, if Koreans don't open their markets to other country's goods equally, their goods shouldn't be allowed into other country's markets. 

Time to grow up and stop being so selfish Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea is a DEVELOPING nation&#8230;get over it all you draft dodgers who deserved to be called such. Sorry, but Korea ain&#8217;t a first world nation.</p>
<p>Korea is not Japan. Koreans need to realize this. Korea isn&#8217;t the US&#8217;s number one trading partner or even a fully developed country and doesn&#8217;t deserve to be treated as such.</p>
<p>Again, if Koreans don&#8217;t open their markets to other country&#8217;s goods equally, their goods shouldn&#8217;t be allowed into other country&#8217;s markets. </p>
<p>Time to grow up and stop being so selfish Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: day4night</title>
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		<dc:creator>day4night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand who they mean by "beef industry officials."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand who they mean by &#8220;beef industry officials.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Goat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J,

There is nothing funny about it at all.  The fact that the US and Japan have a deal that only allows beef under 20 months is completely irrelevant to the Korean situation.  It is simply having the the safety standards of imported meat (statistically speaking) on par with that of domestic meat. 

Allowing the arbitrary imposition of higher "safety" standards for imports (than domestic production) is a dangerous game for an economy reliant on exports.  It is especially dangerous when there is no evidence to support such a claim.

Dangerous precedent indeed...

cm, 

As stated above, there will be no valid pressure for the Japanese to fully open their market as long as they continue 100% testing on all domestic production.  Cows under 20 months have a statistical probability of pretty much zero in having BSE which pretty much equals the standards Japan imposes on its' domestic production.

Any attempt by the US to pressure Japan into fully opening the market would be a waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J,</p>
<p>There is nothing funny about it at all.  The fact that the US and Japan have a deal that only allows beef under 20 months is completely irrelevant to the Korean situation.  It is simply having the the safety standards of imported meat (statistically speaking) on par with that of domestic meat. </p>
<p>Allowing the arbitrary imposition of higher &#8220;safety&#8221; standards for imports (than domestic production) is a dangerous game for an economy reliant on exports.  It is especially dangerous when there is no evidence to support such a claim.</p>
<p>Dangerous precedent indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>cm, </p>
<p>As stated above, there will be no valid pressure for the Japanese to fully open their market as long as they continue 100% testing on all domestic production.  Cows under 20 months have a statistical probability of pretty much zero in having BSE which pretty much equals the standards Japan imposes on its&#8217; domestic production.</p>
<p>Any attempt by the US to pressure Japan into fully opening the market would be a waste of time.</p>
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