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		<title>By: soondae</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163792</link>
		<dc:creator>soondae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>''Now that the worldwide Soviet threat has long passed, no excuse exists to provide welfare for rich allies merely to foster their security dependency on the U.S. Empire. All U.S. allies need to should all spend more on their own security; but they have no incentive to do so if the United States is willing to subsidize a shield against their mostly poorer enemies.''

And at an enormous cost to the US tax payer.  For roughly the equivalent gross figure salary I earned in the US and then in Korea the following year, nearly 40% in taxes was stripped away from the former, and not quite 20% from the latter.  Taxes, of course, are distributed to thousands of different concerns (some of questionable value?).  Nonetheless, why was I paying much less when earning a Korean salary and living in a land being defended by US
troops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;Now that the worldwide Soviet threat has long passed, no excuse exists to provide welfare for rich allies merely to foster their security dependency on the U.S. Empire. All U.S. allies need to should all spend more on their own security; but they have no incentive to do so if the United States is willing to subsidize a shield against their mostly poorer enemies.&#8221;</p>
<p>And at an enormous cost to the US tax payer.  For roughly the equivalent gross figure salary I earned in the US and then in Korea the following year, nearly 40% in taxes was stripped away from the former, and not quite 20% from the latter.  Taxes, of course, are distributed to thousands of different concerns (some of questionable value?).  Nonetheless, why was I paying much less when earning a Korean salary and living in a land being defended by US<br />
troops?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163496</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should modify my prior comment.  USFK should leave both to save money and to remove a source of bilateral friction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should modify my prior comment.  USFK should leave both to save money and to remove a source of bilateral friction.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163493</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the ground troops were removed from SK,I'd presume some more facilities in Okinawa would be closed down too,since they are basically there to back up USFK.
That would surely help decreasing resentement against US presence in Okinawa,which is benefitial for both countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the ground troops were removed from SK,I&#8217;d presume some more facilities in Okinawa would be closed down too,since they are basically there to back up USFK.<br />
That would surely help decreasing resentement against US presence in Okinawa,which is benefitial for both countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163478</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;since Korea is not an exporter of beef, it would seem that there would be a disincentive for Korea to get classified by an international agency that seems to be focused on approving countries for meat export.&lt;/i&gt;

Korea is applying for OIE risk assessment because it hopes to get a "negligible" rating and use that rating in import negotiations.

&lt;i&gt; think the US should pull its troops out of SK, not because SK gets a military expense dividend, which is obviously true, but because the presence of US forces in any country creates sore spots and ultimately undermines its own objectives.&lt;/i&gt;

Completely agree.  Even if soldiers were required to remain on base 24/7 and thus there were no taxi robbings, Hongdae brawls and the like, there would still be resentment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>since Korea is not an exporter of beef, it would seem that there would be a disincentive for Korea to get classified by an international agency that seems to be focused on approving countries for meat export.</i></p>
<p>Korea is applying for OIE risk assessment because it hopes to get a &#8220;negligible&#8221; rating and use that rating in import negotiations.</p>
<p><i> think the US should pull its troops out of SK, not because SK gets a military expense dividend, which is obviously true, but because the presence of US forces in any country creates sore spots and ultimately undermines its own objectives.</i></p>
<p>Completely agree.  Even if soldiers were required to remain on base 24/7 and thus there were no taxi robbings, Hongdae brawls and the like, there would still be resentment.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163444</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"most styles of ‘japanese’ paintings specially the one that lead to impressionist paintings in the west is derived form korea"

They are not "paintings",But "woodblock prints".
And Hokusai's great works that impressed Monet and Van Gogh were printed around 1830's.

"show more appreciation, aceface. we korean deserve it. "

That's why we say nothing when Hyundai making fake Toyotas and Samusung make pirated Panasonics.

"ps how do like my gravatar?"

Very nice.
You know,one day you should seriously consider about moving aomewhere by the riverbank of the Yalu,instead of living in the US and yanking at the internet for "Korean pride".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;most styles of ‘japanese’ paintings specially the one that lead to impressionist paintings in the west is derived form korea&#8221;</p>
<p>They are not &#8220;paintings&#8221;,But &#8220;woodblock prints&#8221;.<br />
And Hokusai&#8217;s great works that impressed Monet and Van Gogh were printed around 1830&#8217;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;show more appreciation, aceface. we korean deserve it. &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we say nothing when Hyundai making fake Toyotas and Samusung make pirated Panasonics.</p>
<p>&#8220;ps how do like my gravatar?&#8221;</p>
<p>Very nice.<br />
You know,one day you should seriously consider about moving aomewhere by the riverbank of the Yalu,instead of living in the US and yanking at the internet for &#8220;Korean pride&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163411</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'It was quite important until we had direct contact with the Chinese.'
 
a thousand years ago? imjin wasn't a thousand years ago. korean influence on your culture stopped somewhere in the 1700s near the 1800s. for instance, most styles of 'japanese' paintings specially the one that lead to impressionist paintings in the west is derived form korea. 

show more appreciation, aceface. we korean deserve it. 

ps how do like my gravatar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;It was quite important until we had direct contact with the Chinese.&#8217;</p>
<p>a thousand years ago? imjin wasn&#8217;t a thousand years ago. korean influence on your culture stopped somewhere in the 1700s near the 1800s. for instance, most styles of &#8216;japanese&#8217; paintings specially the one that lead to impressionist paintings in the west is derived form korea. </p>
<p>show more appreciation, aceface. we korean deserve it. </p>
<p>ps how do like my gravatar?</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163408</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #13
"the japanese seem to take pride in the fact they weren’t a vassal of china but two things they leave out"

No,This has nothing to do with "pride".
Somehow,for the unknown reasons,we just don't think the way Korean do in such issues.

And the two things you've mentioned are the exact reason why we can enjoy some distance from the continental geopolitics.An crucial advantage Meiji government foolishly abandoned after 1905.

"his culture largely derived from korea and china."

And here I want to express my feeling of appreciation for Korean contribution to our culture a millenia ago.
It was quite important until we had direct contact with the Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #13<br />
&#8220;the japanese seem to take pride in the fact they weren’t a vassal of china but two things they leave out&#8221;</p>
<p>No,This has nothing to do with &#8220;pride&#8221;.<br />
Somehow,for the unknown reasons,we just don&#8217;t think the way Korean do in such issues.</p>
<p>And the two things you&#8217;ve mentioned are the exact reason why we can enjoy some distance from the continental geopolitics.An crucial advantage Meiji government foolishly abandoned after 1905.</p>
<p>&#8220;his culture largely derived from korea and china.&#8221;</p>
<p>And here I want to express my feeling of appreciation for Korean contribution to our culture a millenia ago.<br />
It was quite important until we had direct contact with the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: hitest</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163392</link>
		<dc:creator>hitest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If in fact any cases of BSE were found in Korean cattle, I would hazard to say that they would be covered up,and purposefully misdiagnosed anyway.

If any cases of vCJD were were found, you can bet the same.

Perhaps the Korean people are painfully aware of this and that is why they are not in the streets protesting that their own country raise it standards at least to the current US standards, if in fact it is the fear of vCJD that is fueling their hysteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If in fact any cases of BSE were found in Korean cattle, I would hazard to say that they would be covered up,and purposefully misdiagnosed anyway.</p>
<p>If any cases of vCJD were were found, you can bet the same.</p>
<p>Perhaps the Korean people are painfully aware of this and that is why they are not in the streets protesting that their own country raise it standards at least to the current US standards, if in fact it is the fear of vCJD that is fueling their hysteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Celadon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163367</link>
		<dc:creator>Celadon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 Sonagi, since Korea is not an exporter of beef, it would seem that there would be a disincentive for Korea to get classified by an international agency that seems to be focused on approving countries for meat export.  Naturally, Canada and the US would have greater incentive than Korea to have more than 8300 cattle tested.

On the other hand, the argument about the prevalence of vCJD in the US using CDC statistics has been under question for sometime, as this article in &lt;a href="http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2003/12/30/Mad_Cow_Linked_to_thousands_of_CJD_cases/UPI-47861072816318/" rel="nofollow"&gt;UPI&lt;/a&gt; notes.

Furthermore, the article in last week's &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/world/asia/11beef.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;NYT&lt;/a&gt;
which recapitulates earlier reports in other &lt;a href="http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12593" rel="nofollow"&gt;places&lt;/a&gt;, including another &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?_r=1&#38;oref=slogin)" rel="nofollow"&gt;NYT&lt;/a&gt; piece, problematize any claims about the inherent safety of US beef.  Thus, the remark in the article that "the accusation that the American beef is so tainted is a protectionist and nationalist canard, because it has long been certified as safe" is highly dubious.  This isn't to say that SK beef gets a free pass on evaluation, but SK beef isn't being exported here and isn't part of an FTA and its adjoining trade pressure.

Otherwise, I agree with you on your remarks about Chalmers Johnson, though you don't really flesh these out.  I think the US should pull its troops out of SK, not because SK gets a military expense dividend, which is obviously true, but because the presence of US forces in any country creates sore spots and ultimately undermines its own objectives.  Regarding the earlier posts, the US is in Korea for its own strategie purposes, not benevolence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 Sonagi, since Korea is not an exporter of beef, it would seem that there would be a disincentive for Korea to get classified by an international agency that seems to be focused on approving countries for meat export.  Naturally, Canada and the US would have greater incentive than Korea to have more than 8300 cattle tested.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the argument about the prevalence of vCJD in the US using CDC statistics has been under question for sometime, as this article in <a href="http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2003/12/30/Mad_Cow_Linked_to_thousands_of_CJD_cases/UPI-47861072816318/" rel="nofollow">UPI</a> notes.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the article in last week&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/world/asia/11beef.html" rel="nofollow">NYT</a><br />
which recapitulates earlier reports in other <a href="http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12593" rel="nofollow">places</a>, including another <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin)" rel="nofollow">NYT</a> piece, problematize any claims about the inherent safety of US beef.  Thus, the remark in the article that &#8220;the accusation that the American beef is so tainted is a protectionist and nationalist canard, because it has long been certified as safe&#8221; is highly dubious.  This isn&#8217;t to say that SK beef gets a free pass on evaluation, but SK beef isn&#8217;t being exported here and isn&#8217;t part of an FTA and its adjoining trade pressure.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I agree with you on your remarks about Chalmers Johnson, though you don&#8217;t really flesh these out.  I think the US should pull its troops out of SK, not because SK gets a military expense dividend, which is obviously true, but because the presence of US forces in any country creates sore spots and ultimately undermines its own objectives.  Regarding the earlier posts, the US is in Korea for its own strategie purposes, not benevolence.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/15/pull-em-out-now/#comment-163298</link>
		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a country fixes the system so that only the blue blood can be successful the whole country goes down.  

America is much better country than Britain.  And, I do believe MI6 did Pricess Diana in.  The British princess cannot marry a MiddleEastern playboy.  

That screw up the British superiority BullShit.  MI6 had to kill her to save their pride.

Hypocrisy of it all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a country fixes the system so that only the blue blood can be successful the whole country goes down.  </p>
<p>America is much better country than Britain.  And, I do believe MI6 did Pricess Diana in.  The British princess cannot marry a MiddleEastern playboy.  </p>
<p>That screw up the British superiority BullShit.  MI6 had to kill her to save their pride.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy of it all!</p>
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