Yonhap News — yes, Korea’s national news service — reports that online commenters to this WaPo piece on the beef protests are calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Korea and banning the import of Korean cars.
Interesting… online comments are apparently fair news items now. Hmm…
UPDATE: Money Today also runs a story on those mean, mean WaPo netizens, pointing out in their lede that there are also comments that demean Korea, namely the one that tells Koreans to “eat Chinese food and be healthy forever.”
And since comments to foreign news articles are apparently fair game, there are currently 557 comments to the Money Today piece on Yahoo! Korea. The third most active comment, by netizen Kjydean, reads:
미친 양키새끼들. 그동안 미군이 울나라에서 벌인 범죄가 얼마나 많은데 그 일들에 대해서는 공식사과도 없는 새끼들이. 미군철수해도 충분히 우리국력만으로 북한을 상대할 수 있다. 저놈들은 대한민국이 아직도 50년대 초반 미군한테 기브 미 초콜렛 하던 그런나라로 보는 놈들이다. 그리고 너네가 언제 우리나라차를 애용했다고 이제와서 불매운동이냐? 하여간 미국이란 나라는 더러운 혼합 인종이 섞여사는 망조인 나라다
Crazy Yankee bastards. Bastards who have never officially apologized for the many crimes of US soldiers in our country. Even if US troops are withdrawn, we have enough military strength to deal with the North Koreans on our own. Those bastards think we’re still the Korea of the early 1950s who begged “Give me chocolate” to US soldiers. And what, you loved our cars, now you’re going to boycott them? Anyway, the United States is a declining nation inhabited by a dirty mongrel race.
So far, 94 netizens agreed with that statement, and 101 opposed it.
See, two can play at this game!
289 Comments
What else would you expect from a country with such an amateur news media system? They go to great lengths to find fuel for their fire and the term “Fact Checking” isn’t even in their dictionary. I’m actually surprised it took them this long to bring it up.
I say boycott all Korean goods until they grow up and start acting like a mature democracy and develop some common sense. I was going to buy a Pavv LCD TV but now I’m getting a Sony instead.
I made my contribution.
Cool, will it have a built in tuner? Sony products are pretty neat. Since this ridiculous beef thing sprung up, I have stopped eating kimchee and drinking soju.
Korea be dammed, Japanese kimuchi and shoju is much tastier anyway.
Typical. Korean news media always selectively pick up “netizen ID *** says ..” all the time.
They even quote junks from 2channel, and talk as if that is the most Japanese think.
I like this one
“I say boycott all Korean goods until they grow up and start acting like a mature democracy and develop some common sense”
Go on, spank that bad, bad country.
You sound like my mum? I’d never thought of her as a dick before, though.
like i said many posts ago….
bring it on my blood brothers.
let’s see who suffers most if there is a trade war.
what a bunch of hypocrites. south korea will cave in soooo fast it won’t even be funny.
maybe even worse that ‘ice-t’.
many years ago…late 80’s/early 90’s, ice t came out with this album and there was a song that said basically ‘f*ck the police’.
of course there was soo much controversy, etc. etc….and ice t was on this premise that ‘hey man, that’s the way it is in the hood….blah blah blah….i’ll never cave in to all the pressure about changing the lyrics blah, blah, blah……’
well, a lot of time warner board members were pissed about it.
but….they were willing to honor the 1st amendment and all. but they specifically sent the message to ice t……’they’re gonna let the album be produced due to 1st amendment….but they’re pissed and they will blackball you with your tv/movie career.’
next thing you know….ice-t pulls all the original copies and replaces them with more ‘politically correct’ lyrics.
…….and the end result is ice-t is still on law and order.
in fact….my new nickname for south korea…..ice-t.
just like my co-worker nicknamed a co-worker who recently hasn’t shown up more than 4 actual working days in the past 6 weeks, ‘paul pierce.’
it’s because our co-worker is faking an injury.
I love all the broken English, with obvious Korean nuances, in the comments section.
Best quotes:
“Sometimes U.S. people looks like a despotic.” (hahah..reminds me of, “You look a like a man”)
“Those who post anti-South Korea statements over this issue are really America-haters because they hate the democracy.” (See! And who said Koreans are capable of critical reasoning??)
Another hilarious aspect of the comments are the posters who begin their comment by saying they’re American, and then proceed to use their best Manglish. For example:
epictetu wrote:
“My felow American citizens! It’s a waste of time talking about ban on Korean Cars regarding this issue because the issue is nothing to do with anti-Americanism….Second, Lee’s government gave in the countrie’s own quarantine right….In a summary, these are the 3 issues that has caused this enormous rage, which I think righteous,” (I’ll stop there, though it gets worse)
What’s the most interseting aspect about the comments (after the obvious flood of Korean netizens who read the Yonhap article), is that the Korean commenters seem to really fear a backlash against Korean imports, as they mention numerous times.
Oh yeah, I see the notorious “Koreans eat dogs” comments have appeared. Yet at least those comments are true…
James, you are forgetting Ice Cube and NWA. Also, don’t forget Ice Cube’s song, “Black Korea”.
“Since this ridiculous beef thing sprung up, I have stopped eating kimchee and drinking soju. Korea be dammed, Japanese kimuchi and shoju is much tastier anyway.”
Swlee… nice..good call. I enjoyed that one.
Thankyou for the ice tea story, it was very illuminating. But then I read this:
“just like my co-worker nicknamed a co-worker who recently hasn’t shown up more than 4 actual working days in the past 6 weeks, ‘paul pierce.’
Yo, what the fuck is a six year old doing with a job? You should be in school boy, and tell you mother to either ask for her job back at the diner or get back together with your dad Jake, seems hes doing a fine job at the panel beaters. And don’t forget to feed your brother Bill on the way out.
James:
“just like my co-worker nicknamed a co-worker who recently hasn’t shown up more than 4 actual working days in the past 6 weeks, ‘paul pierce.’
it’s because our co-worker is faking an injury.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…awesome
Hey, at least the news media here is even handed. Not just anything written in Korea on the internet is news without fact checking. Anything at all on the internet is news. That’s unbiased reporting!
I just checked the recent comments, and it appears Koreans are flooding the board with anti-US comments (you can tell which ones by the level on English).
For the rest of my life, whenever I hear the word ‘hypocrisy’ this will pop into mind.
It defies reason.
No commentary is really needed. I just gotta step back and say, “Wow!”
If only foreigners could sign up Korean websites without faxing things to the webmaster in triplicate. (Learned from my futile attempt to get a Cyworld account)
I think it’s funny when they put the net nicknames.
Could you imagine:
“Fuck_machine69″ said “Korea is well within its rights to re-negotiate”
Or
“Brad_ Pitts_ Bitch” said “US should remove all troops from SK NOW!”
Slightly off topic but oh well…
Korean nutizens are *gasp* using wiki to slander LMB.
http://english.donga.com/srv/s.....8061280448
Wiki unsurprisingly placed an editing ban on the article. The conclusion of the linked article fucking brilliant!
“The measure is a side effect of the collective intelligence among Korean Internet users.”
#7 Insung, the grammatical errors you made in your comment prove to me that you are North Korean. Just because someone doesn’t grasp English, does not mean they are not American.
This is from the NYTimes piece titled: What Corporate America Can’t Build: A Sentence.
“A recent survey of 120 American corporations reached a similar conclusion. The study, by the National Commission on Writing, a panel established by the College Board, concluded that a third of employees in the nation’s blue-chip companies wrote poorly and that businesses were spending as much as $3.1 billion annually on remedial training.”
YOO N0W GO H8T3R!
The comments with Koreanisms could also be coming from Korean-Americans that sympathize with the protesters.
#16
You obviously missed the whole point. I think it has been established the commentors were Korean, not American.
Oh, and point out the errors, with examples (even though it was hastily written, it is still grammatically correct.)
The irrelevant citation was also a nice touch. Way to go, douchebag.
OH SHIT! PWNED!!! EPIC FAILS!! LULZ!!!
Looks like a slight dig from the met, but there is no bad publicity right?
from wapost commments,
while http://www.rjkoehler.com is a less intellectual blog about Korea
“Those who post anti-South Korea statements over this issue are really America-haters because they hate the democracy.” (See! And who said Koreans are NOT capable of critical reasoning??)
hahahahaha….Still a douche my friend. I saw that I forgot the NOT, but rather than write a correction comment, I chose to leave it as is. Oh, and it is still grammatically correct without the NOT.
MAJOR PWNNAGE!!!!
Try again…
I know you have your Strunk and White “Elements of Style” manual out……keep trying.
I just cannot understand why Americans are so confident of their beef.
The cows are not tested free of BSE before consumption. Downer cows are routinely processed into meat. What is most amazing is that they believe eating BSE contaminated beef would not cause CJD or vCJD.
They believe the risk is very low because only 163 people died of vCJD in the UK where 180,000 BSE cows are found. But who knows. There may be a lot of people who actually died of vCJD but not recognized as such. There are a lot of people suffering dementia in the US. For most of them, the cause is unknown. Who knows how many of them are caused by prions of BSE cows.
It takes more than 10 years for the diseases to develop into some symptom from infection. In due course, we see the results of human experiment in North America. I would not be suppressed if USA were wiped out from the earth.
#21
“I would not be suppressed if USA were wiped out from the earth.”
You sir, are clearly not ’suppressed’”.
Zainichi perhaps?
“There are a lot of people suffering dementia in the US.”
Understatement of the year.
If mad cows from the US are imported to Korea maybe we will become crazy like America and vote for Bush and start wars we can’t win or even finish.
Korean animosity toward the US works somewhat as a hindrance to their animosity toward Japan. Without the US troops in Korea, their hatred of Japan will be exacerbated beyond our imagination. The todays scale of the candlelight vigil would be nothing if the Japanese priminister utters a word or two about Dokdo. Americans, please be patient and never withdraw your troops from Korea.
“If mad cows from the US are imported to Korea maybe we will become crazy like America and vote for Bush and start wars we can’t win or even finish.”
Or maybe you’ll all dress like girls and hold hands while you walk down the street together. Wait, that already happened.
Hey J, whoa J. Just substitute “Americans” with “Koreans”. You have alot more reason to worry.
Warning… minor thread-jack follows
@6
Not to bust your balls or anything, but Paul Pierce just might be one of the toughest athletes of all time.
From Bill Simmons, the sports guy.
“1. Before the 2000-01 season, Pierce was stabbed 11 times at a Boston nightclub, suffered a collapsed lung and nearly bled to death while staggering to the hospital. Less than two weeks later, he played in Boston’s first exhibition game. If the same thing had happened to Vince Carter, he would still be on the injured list seven years later.
2. During the 2002-03 season, Pierce got slammed face-first to the floor by Amare Stoudemire, breaking his two front teeth. Thirty minutes later, he was back playing with a mouthpiece. The following day, he underwent emergency dental surgery for seven hours. The day after that, he played against Portland with a mouthpiece and ended up hitting the game-winner.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ons/080611
The guy fell down, heard his knee pop, felt some pain and got scared. Can we cut him some slack?
#1 Maekchu is right. However, both Koreans and Westerners will call him a reactionary and a racist.
The reality is the opposite. Only someone with a seriously racist superiority complex would allow themselves to be used over and over again and not do anything about it.
I’ll give Koreans credit. THey have a much better understanding of human nature than Westerners.
Look at SWLee’s comments. Apparently, it is okay for Koreans to protest and boycott, but not Americans. Clearly, he has a well-developed inferiority complex. Also, why is it okay for everyone else to protest and fight for something they beleive in except white people?
If I believe in something, why does being white preclude me from fighting for it? Ask yourselves that question.
we all know the expat is an expert liar. let’s look at one of most sophisticated lies, shall we?
‘no american has gotten mcd.’
see, folks, that’s true. no american has gotten mcd. but what the sly lil expat leaves out is this is this:
‘yet and that we know of.’
btw, koreans, the next time excee gets all huffy puffy screaming at the top of his lungs about how koreans hate americans while his korean girlfriend is by his side, ask him this question:
‘why is it important to you personally that we eat american beef?’
he won’t give you a truthful answer so i will! here’s excee’s answer if he actually told the truth for a change:
‘i’m an emotional nationalist that i publicly describe as patriotism. i believe my country is right even when it is wrong. my country comes first!’
psst, don’t tell em pawi told you. they may blow a gasket!
ps how do you guys like avatars?
Cuz you’ll automatically win, and that’s just not fair.
james:
Regarding Ice-T - that was back in 91. I was a freshman in college and ICE-T was with the rock band ‘Bodycount’ HE did NOT change the lyrics, but instead replaced the song ‘cop killa’ with ‘Freedom of Speech’ over the whole controversy. ‘F*ck the Police’ was NWA.
Although I agree - he caved under pressure - but the pressure was not from his record label as I remember.
Since then you say he was ‘blackballed’ - since 2000 he has had a VERY successful TV career on ‘Law and Order SVU’ - ironically - as a cop.
Left my comment. I’ve been boycotting Korean goods for awhile now, anyway. I will not help that ignorance gain riches.
That whole comment roll is turning ugly…
To my fellow Koreans. Stop it. This beef issue isn’t worth making yourselves look foolish and stupid to the rest of the universe. It isn’t worth toppling your government THAT YOU YOURSELF ELECTED a few months ago… It isn’t worth antagonizing your few powerful allies. Seriously. Korea needs powerful allies it always has since the Unified Silla period. If not America, then who? China? You guys trust the usurpers of Koguryo? The Japanese? The Russians? Yeah right.
Koreans, think with you minds, not with your tempers.
I think it would be interesting if they could get an accurate survey result from the protesters on one simple question:
Did you vote.
Anyways, they are trying to lynch him for doing what he campaigned about - getting the economy in order. Quite odd.
Yes, that, or perhaps for the same reason it’s important to Koreans that Americans buy Korean cars and consumer electronics. Most people fail to take very well having their countries’ major export items shut out of important overseas markets, I’m afraid.
Someone even impersonated me over on the WP comments section. I guess impersonation is some form of flattery. I guess.
Anyway, the comments written over there by “TheMetropolitician” aren’t mine. Just a point of clarification.
That WP board is hilarious. The Korean (-American?) who doesn’t use plurals and can’t use countables/uncountables keeps referring to America as “our country” and “us.”
“Why can’t we just leave Korean alone?”
The reference to the American War of Independence against “the motherland” was funny, too.
marm, i don’t mean this with any barbs but i think it’s kind of sad that one of our primary exports is beef. what’s happening to america?
ps expat, sorry for being so mysterious with my avatars. i know using chinese characters puts you at a disadvantage but then, you might actually learn something!
J, in case you didn’t understand my comment, look at it this way. The US inspects, I believe, one in ten cows. In the view of the body which most countries doing business in this world and to the scientific community, this is an adaquate sampling to discern outbreaks. If it is not adaquate for you then so be it.
Now what does that governing body say about Korea? Nothing! Because Korea does not test or regulate its herds, period. You SPECULATE as to how many people in America who suffer from unattributable dementia are actually exposed to mad cow. There’s nobody in Korea with dementia? How many instances of mad cow exposure exist in Korea? By your own logic we have no idea!
I agree with Natto. The American troops are stationed in Korea for more than just military purposes.
Americans have to treat the Koreans like 5 year olds who whines all day because a thunderstorm prevented a planned trip to Disneyland. They just don’t know any better.
from korean wiki on banning changes to 2mb entry:
priceless. couldn’t have said it better myself.
What really needs to be done is to revoke and discontinue the issue of all US tourist, business, and education visas to Korean citizens, not as punishment but as a moral obligation to keep our genetically susceptible Han brothers and sisters from being exposed to US beef and the ravages of mad cow disease.
I am Chinese and it seems like the Koreans hate everyone. I know Japan is number one on the list but I wonder how China compares with the US. I don’t recall S. Koreans having this 10K plus demonstrations against China even with the Korean history issue.
Also S.Korea is the number one source of derisive posts on Chinese BBS. After the Seoul torch incident there is a post that circulated in China that 80% of S.Koreans wants to fight a war with China to revenge for PLA’s brief occupation of Seoul. There are numerous translation of Korean posts on Sichuan Earthquake and of course various posts claiming that the S.Koreans claim that the Chinese Priemer Wen Jiabao has Korean heritage and the Panda orginated in Korea…
From a Chinese perspective I think this is an excess in democracy and freedom of speech(in terms of unscientific rumors). Especially with the internet and a tendency for group think, it is easy to rile up a mob. Here I actually appreciate some of Internet Big Brother in China. There were several false rumors spread online claiming certain officials knew about the Earthquake or if the Communists were more competent they can predict earthquakes like the west. Those people were found, not sentenced to harsh terms but I think a week’s detention in jail.
Maddlew, in the US, they tests only 110 cows out of 100,000 cows processed everyday.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....view_x.htm
The sample size is way too small. They are doing the test, so as not to find BSE cows. The sampling ratio is 1 in 1000, that means by the time one BSE cow is found, 999 BSE cows have been distributed in the market.
I am not comparing Korea with America. I am surprised (sorry, not suppressed) by the fact that Americans do not care at all about their safety of their own food.
In Japan, you cannot find beef labeled “US beef” at supermarkets, because no consumer would buy such a thing. McDonalds in Japan proudly advertises, “We do not use any US beef.” Japan does import a lot of US beef that is mainly used for sausages. There are a lot of Japanese who stopped eating sausages.
There was a warning. Some people listened to it and were saved. Others did not and we will see the result.
i would like to tell the korean they dont have to go trolling all over the internet to find americans that talk shit about them
hell start right here at the marmots!!!
Wow. The WAPO is starting to look like a battle ground between US news bloggers and Korean “Naver”/”Daum” blogging “netizens”! I’ve always wondered what would happen if these 2 groups went 1 on 1. Maybe someone can host a real boxing match between the two as well! One of the Korean bloggers there wrote: ” Just put your butt on the chair and watch TV eating pop-corns like usual American and respect Korean people who are protesting for Democracycorns like usual American”. I think I’ll do just that if they can get a boxing match going on!
Ooh, cool! Comments about comments. Can I join?
J,
In Japan, Yoshinoya proudly advertises they use US beef because “it taste better no other beef can beat”. And I ate 牛丼 at Yoshinoya a few days ago.
J,
Just have a few questions for you about your statistics. You say that the sampling ratio is 1/1000. What is the age breakdown of those 1000 cows? Is that of the entire cattle population or is that just the cows deemed of higher risk? If that figure included cows of under 30 months, then your (already absurd) conclusion is way off base.
Just to clarify, if that statistic is over the total head of cattle - it is a completely meaningless statistic. It’s only use would be to mislead people and be used for political purposes.
If, on the other hand, it is a statistic showing how many cows are tested from the deemed high risk category, then it might be worth looking at.
Furthermore, the article you linked fallaciously claims that the “game is rigged”. Have you even considered the potential ramifications of non-standardized and controlled testing?
Didn’t think so.
“There was a warning. Some people listened to it and were saved. Others did not and we will see the result.”
“ATLANTA, December 17, 2007—A new American Cancer Society report estimates that there will be over 12 million new cancer cases and 7.6 million cancer deaths (about 20,000 cancer deaths a day) worldwide in 2007….This cancer burden is also increasing as people in the developing countries adopt western lifestyles such as cigarette smoking, higher consumption of saturated fat and calorie-dense foods, and reduced physical activity.”
Koreans smoke.
Koreans eat pork fat.
Koreans eat rice.
Koreans love computers.
Koreans use cell phones.
Koreans generally ignore traffic law.
“62,403 annual average cancer deaths..” in Korea? Check it out yourselves.
“Only five human deaths resulting from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD), believed to be the human form of BSE, were reported worldwide in 2005. All of them were in the United Kingdom – the country most affected by the disease – where nine deaths were registered in 2004 and 18 in 2003.”
As you can see the average Korean is in more danger from WHAT THEY ALREADY DO than from Mad Cow Beef.
But a logical look at facts is boring. Lets all go out and crush, kill, destroy. We’re human. It’s what we do best.
I am surprised that Koreans aren’t more concerned about what they are already eating.
#45 x,
Ouch! the same exact thing is happening in Japan for years!
“Wen Jiabao has Korean heritage” That’s one of those Korean obsessions.
“Panda orginated in Korea” It’s one of those “Uriginal“.
I don’t agree with most of what Chinese government is doing, but I feel ya.
Another thing J, Korean beef farmers use the very same methods of feeding their cattle as the US. In fact, they use steroids that have been banned in the US due to the dangers they pose to consumers.
You ever wonder why Korean cattle look so much like American. Koreans imported American cattle and their bloodline has pretty well permeated the entire cattle industry here. You say you don’t want to eat American beef but you’re more than likely already doing it. Bon Apetite!
#40, Pawi,
“ps expat, sorry for being so mysterious with my avatars. i know using chinese characters puts you at a disadvantage but then, you might actually learn something!”
That’s a bit rich coming from someone who can’t speak English.
Toru, Yoshinoya is about the only exception. And at Yoshinoya, on April 4, 2008, they found prohibited parts of cows in the processed meat shipped by US beef producers, which was luckily not used.
Look at hamburger chains in Japan.
McDonalds, No US Beef.
MOS Burger, No US Beef.
Lotteria, No US Beef.
Wendy’s, No US Beef. (That Wendy’s)
The Goat, I do not know how they conduct their tests. Read the news article I linked. Japan found many BSE cows from low risk category thanks to its exhaustive testing. Of the 21 BSE cows found in Japan, only 4 were downer cows. 2 were younger than 30 months. If your computer can read Japanese, check this.
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html
Gomdree, I am not interested in what Koreans care. I am interested in what Americans do not care.
#31,
“we all know the expat is an expert liar.”
You weren’t born in the US, right? Doesn’t that make you a self-loathing hypocrite?
“Lotteria, No US Beef.”
Well, hardly any beef at all.
“Wen Jiabao has Korean heritage” That’s one of those Korean obsessions.“Panda orginated in Korea” It’s one of those “Uriginal“
first i’ve heard these things, but so what? you saying that because a korean of a few koreans say this i say that too because i’m korean? c’mon. and toru, the site you linked for the panda thing was a joke. you can do better than that.
btw, you mean to say wen jiao has korean blood is anti chinese? how? who really is the racist here? and i love how an expat actually supported a chinese guy who supported locking up those who engage in free speech. classy.
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” I am surprised (sorry, not suppressed) by the fact that Americans do not care at all about their safety of their own food.”
Japanese can be foolishly illogical, too.
Don’t overlook, folks, the fact that the initial beef bans by the mercantilist states if NE Asia were/are as much driven by protectionism as by health concerns.
states OF NE Asia, sorry
slim, how do you like my new grav? go run to your wife and ask her what it means, that is, if she can read chinese.
Anytime your gravatar shows up it means that a comment of yours will accompany it — a development that by definition, automatically diminishes the integrity of the Marmot’s Hole and the Internet at large, surely as a child’s turd fouls a swimming pool.
I don’t make jokes about your inflatable love doll, pawi, (although word is she was MADE IN JAPAN) so please leave my significant other out of this.
Naver.com is a popular site for the under 18 and somewhat with the 20’s age bracket. Read those condescending words they have posted there. Its how you talk to kids.
This is whats happening in Korea, some of you are not getting it.
The real problem here are the confucian/liberals. To an extent its mostly the ones who have esteem issues, however they are a product of the liberal education system.
The sheer size of the protests may fool you but most do not care one way or the other about US beef. What you are seeing is a mispresentation of the issue. Most of these protestors are one of 3 groups. Children, emotionally abused married women, men at the bottom of the social ladder who are most likely farmers or ex-farmers with no education or skills.
Before the liberals got into power we were consuming a ton of US beef no one gave a shit.
Alot of you Americans are bitching about this all wrong and I’m not even sure what you are expecting if anything.
You are all blaming them for being stupid, and they are being stupid. As a Korean its blatantly obvious.
These protestors are brainwashed.
They are incapable of independent thought.
They are told what to think.
They have no self-esteem while at the same time craving it like a crackhead.
They have no idea what self-esteem is.
They will do whatever they are told.
People who cannot think for themselves will never have self-esteem.
Whats my point? Read the fucking title. Explain to me what happens when you tell a kid or an emotionally abused women that the Americans are saying “mean things”. Mind you they cannot think for themselves, although they will get angry. Enter the liberals. “Follow us and we’ll save you”.
Honestly does any grown person who is relatively normal give a shit about someone saying “mean things”?
What the liberals want everyone to think is that the whole country believes this nonsense. The more you act like the country does, the more you help the communists/confucians/liberals.
slim, it seems you are blinded by your own view and cannot see straight. If protectionism were the motive, why would Japanese supermarkets and hamburger shops do not sell US beef and sell Australian beef instead?
By the way, do you think your photo cool?
#61
“Don’t overlook, folks, the fact that the initial beef bans by the mercantilist states if NE Asia were/are as much driven by protectionism as by health concerns.”
But Japan imports tons from Australia and Brazil instead…
We may be a diehard mercantilist,but in case of beef,Japan is faily free thanks to the trade war with Washington in the 80’s.
We’ll talk about FTA with the U.S when we think it’s appropriate.
If you need a motivator as to why you should hate the liberals, take Pawi. He wins.
Oh really?
Have you already forgotten the time I corrected your misuse of Chinese characters?
I’d say you had the disadvantage then, li’l kyopo.
Did you learn something?
LOL
pawikirogi,
I mealy pointed that urls just because they are in English. It is true that the same thing is happening in Japan.
And as for the Sichuan Earthquake, I personally know a few Korean said on the web that the it was a Heaven’s punishment. And also personally know MANY Koreans(kids mostly) have said on the web that A-bombs and Earthquakes in Japan were Heaven’s punishments etc etc. When I first saw that a few years ago, I got pissed. But as I got to know more about Koreans, I got used to that and now it feels like a it’s a Korean way of saying hello to me.
Karma is a bitch. Go cry about it elsewhere.
‘I don’t make jokes about your inflatable love doll, pawi, (although word is she was MADE IN JAPAN) so please leave my significant other out of this.’
AHA!!!!!!! now i understand! i got ya, slim. you’ve just defined yourself. and btw, your wife would have no trouble understanding the characters. oh, love doll? classy, slim, just classy.
so you hate korea, now, i unnerstan, yes siree bob, now, aiz unnerstand! you dismissed.
@72: eat beef and die, toxic kyopo.
“…I got used to that and now it feels like a it’s a Korean way of saying hello to me.”
Somehow it feels like there is a lot wisdom contained in that comment.
Back to boycotting Korean products. I lived in Korea for years and was able to do it there, except for some food items and TP. I bought nothing that’s value-added.
Life goes on just fine without Korean products.
‘I got used to that and now it feels like a it’s a Korean way of saying hello to me.’ toru
that’s not the way i would say hello to you. in fact, if we met face to face, i wouldn’t dare bring up such things. toru, there’s some japanese guy who posts vids on youtube with subjects like how often koreans bathe. should i see him as japan? c’mon, so what if you can find some koreans that say this or that? you find that wherever you go. look at sharon.
I hope everyone stop with the Korean American/Gyopo bashings. There are plenty of us who don’t like what’s happening in Korea and have been critical. I’m talking about Won Joon Choe, Mizar5, James, Wangkon, etc.
I welcome Yonhap’s article even if it’s not scientifically factual story. I think it’s a good thing sometimes to let Koreans in Korea have a look at what other nationalities are saying to get a totally different perspective. Koreans don’t get a variety of opinions other than what they are told from a homogeneous media and education. It’s a good for Koreans to realize the consequences of anti Americanism can lead to anti Koreanism.
Chosun also had this article today:
http://blogreporter.chosun.com.....;curPage=0
It says “one foreigner’s blog” is getting lots of hits. I’m guessing it’s this one because I recognize one of my posts that I posted here.
I’m aware of Japan’s imports of other beef. I still see agricultural protectionism in the way of limiting the flow as a key, although not the primary, motive. Japan still has some of the most ingenious and extensive non-tariff barriers in the wealthy world, but who am I to complain if the Japanese consumer does not?
I have no stake in the US beef trade and in fact probably eat more venison than beef in a given year, for cholesterol reasons.
It troubles me, though, to see anyone from Japan or anywhere I hold to higher standards parroting Korean logic and disinformation. (And in your case, you claimed that Americans don’t care at all about food safety at the very time when the dominant US news headlines were about the tomato salmonella scare that decimated that industry. That was plain ridiculous.)
My grav picture is a sarcastic reply to a certain Korean racist who asserted (back in about 2003) that all whites who commented here lived in trailers.
“And as for the Sichuan Earthquake, I personally know a few Korean said on the web that the it was a Heaven’s punishment.”
Oh please, Chinese and Japanese are in no position to lecture the Koreans for netiqutte. When the Seoul Treasure #1 burned down and the oil spill happened in south coast of Korea, the Chinese netizens were laughing and having a field day. When the Sichuan quake happened, Japanese netizens were just as vile as some of the Korean ones.
pawikirogi,
I didn’t know that. I won’t apologize for it because I didn’t do it. But I feel little ashamed to hear that.
#19-I noticed Met’s indiscretion as well in the said article.
One could argue he is talking about the posters though, not the site…well I guess that means us
A bit self-agrandizing at the expense of the “not so gifted”
We are not worthy.
Stopped visiting his site, and reading his posts a long time ago. I was wearing out my scroll button.
Well, it’s a typical development that all this Krazy Kow bizness is devolving into major farce….
Thanks to Toru I found this link to a photo of a Korean gal flipping the bird (with both hands!) to the police that’s inexplicably hot:
http://koreasparkling.files.wo.....wimage.jpg
Despite the media portraying this as some massive uprising it’s just the usual “liberal” faction of Korean politicians leading a minority by demagoguery.
cm,
Vast majority of Japanese expressed sadness on the web immediately after Sichuan quake occurred and the gate burned down. I know it because I was so surprised. I can show you some logs.
@78: Is pawi/stacked/swlee the rule or the exception?
Is wangkon the rule or the exception?
You yourself, cm, just made a huge 180-degree turn after the beef issue; before you were indistinguishable from pawi.
I was “indistinguishable from pawi”??
Oh gee.. thanks a lot.
slim,
“Japan still has some of the most ingenious and extensive non-tariff barriers in the wealthy world, but who am I to complain if the Japanese consumer does not?”
Just name some of the barriers, if you can. I am afraid you are just parroting American Camber of Commerce. I give these words for you.
“These protestors are brainwashed.
They are incapable of independent thought.
They are told what to think.
They have no self-esteem while at the same time craving it like a crackhead.
They have no idea what self-esteem is.
They will do whatever they are told.”
oops just read # 38. I take back all but the last two sentences of my last post
“Vast majority of Japanese expressed sadness on the web”
And I can show you many vile ones. What does that prove? Same thing applies to Japan, when the national treasury burned down and the oil spill happened, there were also many vile Japanese comments on the net mixed in with some sympathy. The Youtubes are full of anti Korean videos made by Japanese netizens. Don’t try to make look like internet trollings as strictly Korean phenomenon.
“before you were indistinguishable from pawi.”
I think that’s a bit harsh. cm stayed polite and, in my recollection, avoided comments that could be easily seen as pure hypocrisy.
I bet that on a topic that didn’t involve Korea (or Japan or the US or some combo of the three) pawi could probably be logical, unemotional and able to discern fact from cowflop.
Yeah, I’d say it’s this blog — here’s the post on the guy’s site, with an image of the blog in question:
http://www.ukopia.com/newsAmer.....uid=110817
#89 cm,
And it will be followed by a whole bunch of Chinese made anti-South Korea vids as Chinese realize what Korean’s been saying about Chinese. I promise.
#92, toru, do a search on youtubes and many, if not most of the anti-Chinese videos are Japanese made.
#93 cm,
Not really, but I won’t be surprised to see if any of it because I’m, in a way, also anti-Chinese government aka CPC.
Now you ARE parroting Korean logic. I’m not going into 2CH territory with you, J, and you don’t seem to have the ability to go beyond namecalling.
EVERY country’s Chamber of Commerce has complaints about Japan - and I am sure Japan has complaints of its own about others. These have to be weighed on their merits, not simply dismissed by the nationality of those making the complaints.
I was a captive CONSUMER in Japan for 8 years and I know the difference between what things cost in Japan and elsewhere and what lies behind that. (I also know that the differential has narrowed in many areas, but it does seem that economic liberalization has stalled) I know why Japanese are famously avid shoppers overseas.
Mercantilism has largely worked for Japan, and there are many in the West who envy that approach more than they resent it. But it’s not politically doable in more open economies and it is definitely dangerous for the world economy.
“Yeah, I’d say it’s this blog — here’s the post on the guy’s site, with an image of the blog in question:
http://www.ukopia.com/newsAmer…..uid=110817”
Yeap. There is Wangkon, Maekchu, Sonagi.
If any Koreans reading this, please realize it’s not just Americans who are making comments. Many non Americans are also baffled and displeased with what’s going on with the mass hysteria based on non facts. Holding of candle lights has lost all its meanings and Koreans are not being looked upon very highly these days by the foreign residents in Korea (with very few exceptions like the Misuda New Zealand girl).
#46, a brief math lesson.
If they test 1 out of a 1000 cows, and find an infected cow, it certainly doesn’t mean 999 infected cows slipped by them ( this supposes the entire sample was infected).
I’ll skinny it down for you.
Say they test 1 out of 1000, and 999 of these tests are negative “by the time” they get a positive, the sample size represented is 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000 with one positive, giving a ratio of one in a million.
This doesn’t mean the sampling ratio is sufficient or insufficient.
If they tested one million cows and found that 1 was infected, then testing 1 out of 1000 cows gives them 1000 chances out of a million ( 1:1000 chance) to find the infected cow.
If they don’t find an infected cow it could possibly mean that there were no infected cows in the sample.
Now lets say the infected cow slips through undetected. If it is processed properly, then it still poses no health risk to the consumer.
Lets say it is processed improperly and a portion ( imagine one tenth )of it poses a health risk.
Thats 1/10 of the 1/1,000,000 or 1/10,000,000 of the beef product of this sample size that poses a risk.
Ok now these cows ( our 1,000,000 sample size ) are distributed around America and other non-hysterical countries in the world, lets say for arguement sake, so that 100,000,000 million people have access.
What do you think the chances are that you happen to be the 1 in 100,000,000 who gets the 1/10,000,000 infected beef product?
Yes I am pulling the numbers out of my ass, but really, why not walk around wearing a hard hat in case a turtle falls out of the sky and smacks you in the head.
Can’t be too carefull, right ?
Its times like these when people long for a simpler times. Where is Apolo Ohno when you need him?
Perhaps a distraction for the beef issue, lets have him endorse Samsung phones. Wait, maybe not.
Lets get more of the Misuda women to tell us their intellectual opinions on US beef. Perhaps if they tried some US beef, they might give up prostituting themselves for the Korean male entertainment industry.
Well if nutz want to fight it out on the blog at least someone might have a chance to see the other side.
However, I wonder how many of you have given up talking with Koreans about anything intellectual. The cognitive dissonance seems too great. Whats the point in fighting with them about anything. If its on MBC it must be truth. In fact is that the new mantra said at temples nation wide, there is no truth but PD diary, there is no truth but PD diary,
I mean when Koreans see everything through highly tinted nationalistic lenses, seem to lack any critical reasoning skills, and are constantly looking for anything that might be perceived as a looking down on them,
how does one talk about anything intellectual with them? Fan death is brought up constantly as an example of the sheer stupidity that lives in the group think of the collective conscious of south korea. Anyone still talking with Koreans about the beef issue?
Interesting article on NYT:
Questions on U.S. Beef Remain
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06.....amp;st=nyt
I think Korean demonstrators are over doing it, but questions do linger, it seems like.
I kind of want to mention the extensive US farm subsidies that are probably snuffing out the last viable export industry from some developing countries…check out “Doha round”…so I wouldn’t exactly call it “free trade”. Don’t know if beef is subsidized, though.
#87 J
“I give these words for you”
“These protestors are brainwashed.
They are incapable of independent thought.
They are told what to think.
They have no self-esteem while at the same time craving it like a
crackhead.
They have no idea what self-esteem is.
They will do whatever they are told.”
Regrettably these were all true in Japan until early 1970s and are still true to lesser extent. I think Korean is 30 years behind Japan in this respect. The Japanese leftists were under the great influence of Soviet, China and North Korea. Are you familiar with the anti-Japan/US security treaty demonstrations and the student movement in the 70s ?
Regarding the non-tariff barriers slim referred to, we still have many although the majority are not intentional but just red-tape. If you are in doubt, check on the tax rates on some farm products.
#94 Shoot, I must be getting really tired.
“I haven’t seen much yet, but I won’t be surprised to see those videos because I’m, in a way, also anti-Chinese government aka CPC.” And additionaly I’m anti-Korean-hysteric-irrational- accusations about Japan/any countries/anything.
Anyway, I find those videos(generally speaking) far more informative than the expats here. No offense, but true. If you call a video showing true things about China or Korea as “anti-” then so be it.
Regarding the non-tariff barriers slim referred to, we still have many although the majority are not intentional but just red-tape. If you are in doubt, check on the tax rates on some farm products.
“Red tape” is what you’d normally call a non-tariff barrier…and “tax” would be a tariff barrier.
“If you call a video showing true things about China or Korea as “anti-” then so be it.”
Toru, most of the anti Korean or anti Chinese videos made by Japanese are not even political. They either consist of showing some Chinese female taking a dump in a river, or showing Japanese of Korean ancestry committing crimes in Japan. Most of it is based both on racism and politics.
Anyway, I don’t buy your claims that Japanese netizens are somehow clean and saintly than any other brand of Asian internet nationalism and racism.
That’s my last word on this, since this has nothing to do with this topic.
Does anyone have suggestions for travel to North Korea? I’m visiting Pyongyang on business next month and I would like to take some time alone wandering the city. Will this be possible? Any car rentals in Pyongyang? My friend Matt was there last month and he caught sight of a brand new mini cooper at a Pyongyang street intersection: http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=6YVIBawHaQY