You see this cat Lee Sae Jin is one bad mother…

by Andy Jackson on June 5, 2008

in South Korea

Shut your mouth!

But I’m talking about Lee Sae Jin (BBC):

Not all South Koreans agree with the candlelit protesters who continue to march through the streets of Seoul each night.

Lee Sae Jin, a 25 year old university student, bravely held his own, one-man protest in favour of US beef imports.

He was soon shepherded away by a policeman, led off through the rather angry crowd that had gathered to read his posters.

“We are an exporting nation,” he had written.

“We are creating the fear of mad cow disease in our own minds. Candlelights should be used to brighten the darkness, not burn down our own homes.”

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Hat Tip to commenter madar.

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1 SomeguyinKorea June 5, 2008 at 5:49 pm

The voice of reason has been censored.

2 Wedge June 5, 2008 at 6:00 pm

John found the right guy. Not bad for the BBC. ;-)

3 Ex aedibus June 5, 2008 at 6:08 pm

Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

At least someone appears sane. Pity he was hauled off.

4 Richardson June 5, 2008 at 6:25 pm

H.G. Wells, The Country of the Blind…

5 Richardson June 5, 2008 at 6:28 pm

H.G. Wells, The Country of the Blind… they’re taking Nunez away…

6 Shawn June 5, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Props! Hope for the future of Korea, right there!

7 The Goat June 5, 2008 at 7:01 pm

@1 and 3

I disagree. I think it was good for his health that he was hauled off. In this case, the police were truly trying to protect the guy from the masses.

8 R. Elgin June 5, 2008 at 7:13 pm

I hope that the average person will consider the demonstration of Lee Sae Jin as a demonstration of freedom and civic freedom demonstrated, even if they disagree with him.

9 Matthew June 5, 2008 at 7:21 pm

I’d love to meet this guy… either he is creative and intelligent, or he is mentally ill. either way, I want to buy him a drink!

10 Benicio74 June 5, 2008 at 7:22 pm

Who said it “When a true genius appears in the world, you will know him/her by this sign: all dunces will be in confederation against them!”?

This guy, my freakin’ hero, is just demonstrating sensible reason with regards to the truth and he has to be hauled off by the police because the mass of idiots would have probably killed him!

I’m sure they would have felt justified in killing him, too.

The lunacy continues on!

11 Benicio74 June 5, 2008 at 7:24 pm

#8 that’s just it- the idiots don’t actually believe in freedom of speech.

Only freedom to agree with what they believe.

That’s why you don’t see the people who believe these protests are wrong and stupid- they are too afraid of getting beaten or killed by the brainless mass of idiots!

12 John Brandt June 5, 2008 at 8:06 pm

I hope I’ll be forgiven for thinking that we need not congratulate the guy for not being a fucking idiot.

13 ryu June 5, 2008 at 8:17 pm

wow. It almost rekindles hope….

14 The Goat June 5, 2008 at 8:20 pm

@12

There are plenty who are not fucking idiots yet they lack the initiative/nerve to do what this young lad did. Most just don’t care enough to make a statement.

15 slim June 5, 2008 at 8:22 pm

To be fair, the Chosun Ilbo tried for a while to stay sober, honest and fact-based in its coverage of the beef issue. If I recall correctly, the Chosun joined the mobs back in the big 2002 anti-US protests.

16 cm June 5, 2008 at 8:22 pm

A big clap of hands for the young man.

What is the meaning of the candles? Isn’t it about peace, sympathy, and grieving? Not in Korea. The meaning has been twisted into mass hysteria. You can now make lots of jokes about Koreans and candles.

LMB has been in office for only 100 days just at a time of world economic and energy crisis that he can’t control. He really has not been given nearly enough time to be rated. Yet this beef issue and the so called “kow towing” to the Americans has been an convenient excuse to bring him down.

Anti Americanism is a virulent strain in Korea that really needs to be seriously countered by the US, otherwise it will continue to grow unchecked. The US need to slap on high tariffs on Korean products. The US need to publicize unsafe Korean beef industry which is not up to standards of the international organization. LMB will be brought down, left wing government will take over. We’ll see how much improvement they’ll really make.

17 KimSuBok June 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm

The strongest measures must be taken to counter Korean ignorance, prejudice, and xenophobia. South Korea has built it’s modern economy in a globalized era made possible by the peace and stability that the United States has made possible because of its stabilizing presence in East Asia. If not for the US, there is virtually no chance that Korea would have attained it’s independence in 1945, nor would it have preserved it until the present day. S.Korea’s lack of gratitude toward the US, and it’s patently unfair trading policies should be met with a US boycott of Korean products, the expulsion of both Korean students from US universities and the S.Korean amabasador in Washington. Anything short of this is appeasment! Korea is clearly testing the limits of the alliance like a teenager testing the boundaries with his parents. It is time that we showed Korea where those limits are. Our response to Korea has got to hurt to be effective.

18 KimSuBok June 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm

The strongest measures must be taken to counter Korean ignorance, prejudice, and xenophobia. South Korea has built it’s modern economy in a globalized era made possible by the peace and stability that the United States has made possible because of its stabilizing presence in East Asia. If not for the US, there is virtually no chance that Korea would have attained it’s independence in 1945, nor would it have preserved it until the present day. S.Korea’s lack of gratitude toward the US, and it’s patently unfair trading policies should be met with a US boycott of Korean products, the expulsion of both Korean students from US universities and the S.Korean amabasador in Washington. Anything short of this is appeasment! Korea is clearly testing the limits of the alliance like a teenager testing the boundaries with his parents. It is time that we showed Korea where those limits are. Our response to Korea has got to hurt to be effective.

19 Andy Jackson June 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm

#16

I think tactics like that might have worked when we had a leftist in the Blue House but the protesters are, for the most part, just as anti-LMB as they are anti-USA. I think the powers that be behind these protests (rather than the folks they have led into it) are more than willing to let the Korean economy tank if it will make Lee look bad and drive the US and ROK further apart.

20 Kim June 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Hey guys, there’s another demonstrator like Lee Sae Jin.

http://www.freezonenews.com/ne.....l?no=27133

His name is Lee Kyung Soo.

21 Joshua June 5, 2008 at 8:58 pm

At some point, the USG is going to have to learn that it doesn’t win friends in Korea by kissing ass.

22 cm June 5, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Andy, you might be right. These guys may actually wouldn’t mind if the Korean economy tanks. After all look at their mentors, North Koreans. Do they care? I also suspect what you say is correct – they don’t care. They’ve shut down the National Assembly until they say, there is renegotiations with the US. Korea’s government is essentially shut down while the country is going to hell. The Korean TV media is reporting this as if this is all justified cause.

Vershbow is apologizing to Korean press for something he has done nothing wrong. Wrong move. It will only make Koreans think they were right and fan the flames. He either should stay silent, or speak up and let them have his piece of his mind. What can Korea do to the US?

23 globalvillageidiot June 5, 2008 at 9:26 pm

“the idiots don’t actually believe in freedom of speech.

Only freedom to agree with what they believe.”

Exactly.

24 usinkorea June 5, 2008 at 9:28 pm

I think tactics like that might have worked when we had a leftist in the Blue House but the protesters are, for the most part, just as anti-LMB as they are anti-USA.

I think I’m the only one we is pushing the following idea, but I think I’m right as well.

The reason President Lee has become a large part of the focus isn’t solely his arrogance.

I have been arguing even before this latest phenomenon rose up that a key to anti-US activity in Korean society is — how safe Koreans feel about the alliance.

Whatever arrogance Lee has shown in 100 days, I was making bets a GNPer in the Blue House was going to bring about a return of typical anti-US activity we haven’t seen since Roh scared the shit out Korean society.

With Lee in the Blue House, anti-US hysteria seems safe to Koreans.

The knowledge that Lee is pro-US and that he will work to undo damage done by Roh is as important to this current spike in anti-US activity as the stoking of Korean pride during World Cup was in 2002 and the NK-SK Summit in 2000.

25 Kim June 5, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Those who are against the beef must pay for what they have done. I’m Korean but I can’t take ignorance, prejudice, xenophobic behaviours anymore. Their stupid actions have made so many people suffer.

26 Kim June 5, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Those who are against the beef must pay for what they have done. I’m Korean but I can’t take ignorance, prejudice and xenophobic behaviours anymore. Their stupid actions have made so many people suffer.

27 Andrew June 5, 2008 at 9:54 pm

According to that BBC linked article:

“South Korea has yet to supply enough information to the World Organisation for Animal Health to allow an assessment of its own mad cow risk to be carried out.”

This is what I suspected. Korean beef probably has mad cow, but ignorance is bliss.

28 Kim June 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm

“South Korea has yet to supply enough information to the World Organisation for Animal Health to allow an assessment of its own mad cow risk to be carried out.”

And this….

http://web.humoruniv.korea.com.....mber=87440

I’d like you to see the colors on each nation.

In East Asia, only Korea doesn’t have any control measures to detect and prevent mad cow disease.

This means Korea is demanding higher standards than the OIE suggests yet Korea doesn’t even meet the OIE standards. lol

Koreans should not eat Korean beef, period.

29 Benicio74 June 5, 2008 at 10:09 pm

#19 it has also crossed my mind earlier that the lefties would probably be happy to see the Korean economy tank. Then, they could easily blame 2MB. Even though it would be incorrect to blame Lee for it, the public would believe it fully.
Every country blames the economic situation on the current administration regardless if it is their fault or not.

One of the big reasons the people voted Lee in was they felt he would do away with the incompetent shenanigans and turn the economy around. Now, the cry babies are screaming that he ‘makes decisions without consulting the people’!.

I guess the biggest way the lefties can derail and discredit Lee are to try and destroy his economic initiatives. They care not at all that it hurts Korea!

30 Kim June 5, 2008 at 10:19 pm

“Even though it would be incorrect to blame Lee for it, the public would believe it fully.”

Exactly. Most Koreans don’t realize that it’s them ruining the ratification of the KORUS FTA. Too bad.

31 ryu June 5, 2008 at 10:47 pm

I just some people do pay attention to this blog:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww.....25400.html

“Some foreign nationals living in Korea have also been making comments on this issue, ranging from constructive and thoughtful observations to unfounded criticism.

One Internet posting said: “My personal opinion on the matter is firmly in the camp that the standard Korean viewpoint is irrational at best, and economically damaging at worse.””

32 pawikirogi June 5, 2008 at 11:36 pm

you know, there’s something i don’t get. can anyone of you tell me why this issue is so important to you? huh? can you tell me?

what do you care whether koreans want to import american beef? how does that effect you? i mean, you folks have produced a weeks worth of belly aches but for what?

why do you care about a country you say nobody cares about?

what’s it to you, expat?

really now.

33 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 June 5, 2008 at 11:49 pm

stop being uncle toms.

dude, how many of you even bothered to look up fda.gov ?

30 month old is not a magic number. It’s based on observation.

I suggest you pay more attention to my writings. But, that’s asking WAY too much.

Bye. Oh, and the mad cow was from Canada, and I recall US supermarket shoppers being just a teeny bit queasy about buying beef when the news became public. But, Japan, I recall, stopped US beef imports right away, presumably because they already had some BSE before. Records show Korea never had BSE. So, they’re just being cautious…and using it to vent on Lee Myung Bak. Truthfully said, if Lee Myung Bak had put more thought into this, he could have avoided all this shit.

It’s like a student who turned in a half-ass effort on a homework.

Got it?

Oh, Canada ~

The FDA says
“BSE-infected cattle have never been detected under the age of 20 months and 88% of the

U.S. slaughter population is under this age…”

34 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 June 5, 2008 at 11:54 pm

“Let’s have a pro-US rally”

“Oh, my God, what if the US hates us”

“We need Martial Law declared, they’re commies, all commies, kill’em all !”

Over a trade dispute?

Fucking idiots.

35 cm June 5, 2008 at 11:55 pm

“can anyone of you tell me why this issue is so important to you?”

Because I’m Korean and I care about Korea. I have many family members in Korea and they are dear to me. I want Korea to be successful respected nation instead of being an international butt of jokes all the time. I want Koreans to be free from mass ignorance and hysteria.

36 Kim June 6, 2008 at 12:09 am

“you know, there’s something i don’t get. can anyone of you tell me why this issue is so important to you? huh? can you tell me?”

If you’re Koreans like me, I’m sure how those who support the beef deal are being treated in Korea. I see many witch trials and hateful threats to those who have different opinions.

And now, I’m really really mad.

37 Austin June 6, 2008 at 12:16 am

In Korea the education system does not educate it brainwashes. Koreans are one pure blood, superior, and the rest of the world is nasty, yadda yadda. This has been implemented by the ruling elite for their own benefit. Ruling elites that are corrupt, need to create external imaginary enemies in order to stay in power. They need gullible masses that are easily fooled.
This has been going on in Korea since day one. The trouble is most Koreans don’t seem to have figured out that they are just pawns of their masters.

Living in Korea, has taught me to try and be a better person. I want to leave this world with good Karma, I want to move on to a higher plane. I break out in a cold sweat with the thought that if my karma is bad I’ll be severly punished and come back in my next life as a Korean!

38 Kim June 6, 2008 at 12:21 am

“wjk, 검은 머리 외국인”

http://web.humoruniv.korea.com.....mber=87440

Look at the color on each country. Korea is the only nation in East Asia that doesn’t have any control measures recommended by the OIE to prevent mad cow disease.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asi.....436914.stm

“South Korea has yet to supply enough information to the World Organisation for Animal Health to allow an assessment of its own mad cow risk to be carried out.”

So, Korea is demanding the US much higher standards than what the OIE recommends??? Makes me laugh. lol

I’d rather eat American beef over Korean beef.

39 Crackus June 6, 2008 at 12:26 am

“can anyone of you tell me why this issue is so important to you?”

Because American tax dollars are being used to protect a population that shows contempt for the very soldiers sent to defend them. Demonstrations outside US military installations regarding the FTA and the beef issue reveal this as just another excuse to have anti-USFK demonstrations.

The question is, why is the issue so important to you? As a concerned buyer, don’t buy the American beef – go buy Hanwoo beef. If Hanwoo beef is superior, the market will support that without having to resort to large anti import demonstrations or trade disputes won’t it? That is, if the Korean beef is actually safer.

The really ironic part to all of this is the countless Koreans who are lined up to get onto US installations for a juicy American steak.

40 dong9chin9 June 6, 2008 at 12:27 am

Anything hat drives a wedge between the USA and Korea is a good thing. This has been a positive week for Korea. I’m laughing at those that feel otherwise.
losers, ha.

41 dogbert June 6, 2008 at 12:29 am

And kyopos wonder why they’re so disliked.

42 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 June 6, 2008 at 12:32 am

we’re rounding the wagon around in circles, but to reiterate,

Korea never had BSE.

THE USA is actually right. It’s safe to eat.

But, if Japan and others have a right to pull away from US beef, why is it wrong for Korea to do it?

Koreans were born with special eggshells to walk on?

Actually, the answer is Y E S.

SaDae has been a Korean tradition.

Not too loud, Korea. We don’t want to upset Big Brother too much.

Anyway, you gyopos abroad and the English speaking ones within Korea should at least be aware that most of the non-Koreans here want to kill the KORUS FTA, anyway, for some unknown, imcomprehensible, ridiculous reason. That’s who you’re getting platitudes form.

Woe to the Korean. Born with special eggshells to walk on. China, Japan, Russia, United States.

But, I’ll say this. United States was the best big brother Korea EVER had. That, I believe with a sincere heart. May the USFK stay forever and ever and ever. Dudes here also want the USFK gone. They’ll come back AFTER Korea’s been destroyed. By China or North Korea.

43 CaptBBQ June 6, 2008 at 12:47 am

It is more likely for Koreans to die in these silly protests than for them to get sick from Mad Cow beef.

44 cm June 6, 2008 at 12:53 am

“of the non-Koreans here want to kill the KORUS FTA, anyway,”

I don’t think anyone here has been pretending that FTA is what’s on the stake. That deal has been long dead anyway, and is irrelevant to the question of mass public ignorance and hysteria pulled off by many in the Korean media and in political parties. Don’t you find this show of public display in Korea irrational? How can you pretend that it’s otherwise?

45 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 June 6, 2008 at 12:55 am

no, the FTA is not dead. Support the US Republicans. Bush is our man. Vote for McCain to seal the deal. Battle against the evil Obama. He’s crazy. US Korean community has wasted their war chest on Clinton. WASTED.

46 Notlob June 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

I care about this issue because I want to pay reasonable prices for my groceries. And I would wager that most Koreans (especially those on limited incomes) would like to pay reasonable prices, too. But the leftist-led protectionism has given Korea one of the most expensive market in the world for meat and basic foodstuffs.

47 dong9chin9 June 6, 2008 at 1:10 am

But, I’ll say this. United States was the best big brother Korea EVER had. That, I believe with a sincere heart. May the USFK stay forever and ever and ever. Dudes here also want the USFK gone. They’ll come back AFTER Korea’s been destroyed. By China or North Korea.

sorry, you may be a child of korean blood, but with thinking like that, i would gladly rape your wife and daughters, for you are no longer korean to me if you think like that. eat your hamburger and shop at your circuit city if you want, you no longer have a homeland, and gyeopo to you is an empty word. It was a good thing we got rid of a lot of this christian , right wing, selffish, toadist scum. I hope you come to learn more about your homeland in the future, but till then, be prepared to have difficulties next time you try to pick up a girl during your KLI summer break

48 Ut videam June 6, 2008 at 1:16 am

“Korea never had BSE”

That you know of.

As the information posted above (#38) indicates, Korea has no safety measures in place in re BSE. No monitoring. No surveillance. No nothing.

So Korea could have a BSE epidemic on their hands, and no one would be the wiser.

US beef is safer than Korean beef. As Kurt Angle used to be fond of saying, “It’s true, it’s true.”

49 WangKon936 June 6, 2008 at 2:15 am

Wow… I’ve been quoted by the Korea Times. Gotta tell my parents. They’ll get a kick.

50 Tony June 6, 2008 at 3:58 am

@ # 47:

Threatening rape is pretty fucking rude. Just as it would be rude for me to threaten to chop off your nuts and stuff them down your throat. I’m not, really, but you get the point.

Moreover, you’re conflating “ethnicity” with “homeland”/”nationality”. The two aren’t the same. I can’t speak for wjk, of course, but, for me, the US is my homeland and where my loyalties lie, Korean ethnicity notwithstanding.

And I’m amused by your incoherence.

51 WangKon936 June 6, 2008 at 6:25 am

# 31,

Wow… the KT thinks I’m a foreigner and an expat!

Should I send them a picture of myself?

52 Won Joon Choe June 6, 2008 at 6:40 am

#24 and I seem to see eye-to-eye on the U.S.-Korea alliance-related issues.

53 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 6:56 am

I wouldn’t get too excited. The guy’s probably a hard core LMB fan and not someone with common sense or friendly to the U.S.

54 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 June 6, 2008 at 7:01 am

wang, maybe you should have used your own name.

wang, I’ve been telling you, that you sound just like them. This nails it.

wang, it’s kind of like a neighborhood bulletin, that KTimes of Los Angeles.

It is possible to score 1500-1600 on the old SAT and NOT get on the paper.

You see, your parents have to call the paper and alert them first.

I’m kidding.

Wouldn’t you rather be Baduk, being credited for calling Hwang a fake, years prior to the actual event?

55 Roland Dodds June 6, 2008 at 7:07 am

#32

Pawi, you have the reading comprehension of Sohn Hak-kyu.

Such enlightened words Dong9! You may have been able to type them better if you didn’t have Kim Jong-ill’s cock so firmly planted in your ass.

56 WangKon936 June 6, 2008 at 7:18 am

“wang, I’ve been telling you, that you sound just like them. This nails it.”

When it comes to beef, I’ll side with the voice of reason. If I’m mistaken as an expat for doing so, so be it. It’s better than to be confused with one of those lobotomized, candle wielding idiots that have surrendered their brains to their Mad Cow fearing (but more like LMB hating) gods.

So think about that next time you are chomping on galbi in Palasades Park or slurping Sul lung tang in Flushing.

57 slim June 6, 2008 at 7:45 am

There should be no real “us” and “them” here. The divide is between fact and fantasy.

58 dogbert June 6, 2008 at 7:51 am

wjk, when you start talking about “you sound like them”, you have no right to bitch about Americans viewing you as a foreigner. Don’t be such a kyopo hypocrite.

59 wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 June 6, 2008 at 8:14 am

it’s not just the beef.

general sagobangshik.

anyway, I don’t mean any harm, wangkon.

dogbert, if you ever go to Shea Stadium or Citifield, and suspect a Korean dude in a Mets shirt, I want you to ask him,

“Are you wjk ?”

You’ll win a free beer.

60 lee June 6, 2008 at 8:21 am

I especially enjoyed this line from Lee Kyung Soo.

“President LMB, handpicked by the people, is not a dictator.” The old man with his “LMB OUT!” sign can learn something from Lee.

His “I will appear indifferent to your bewilderment” expression is truly an inspiration.

61 WangKon936 June 6, 2008 at 8:25 am

I know you didn’t mean any harm. I’m just upset that the Korean public is being manipulated in this way. It’s like the yangban enslaving the rest of the population so they can maintain their own selfish life style back in the old’en days. Same thing. A small political elite probably bank rolled by Korean farmers and labor unions spreading rumors and disinformation. Ultimate result? Higher food prices for the average Korean among other economic consequences.

62 mbk June 6, 2008 at 8:33 am

No offense to Wang, but it just goes to show you how well the papers here do their research.

63 ryu June 6, 2008 at 8:59 am

dong9chin9:
Threatening to rape wives and daughters? You disgust me and you should be ashamed of yourself. You HAVE to know you are not doing your cause any favors by making comments like that and in fact destroying your credibility.

WangKon936:
Actually, I think it would be interesting if you sent a picture. From the people I talk to (in Korea) most people are ill-informed and believe not many Koreans are pro-beef import.

64 Andy Jackson June 6, 2008 at 9:19 am

#47

Classy. You are empty inside.

65 don9chin9 June 6, 2008 at 9:47 am

ooh, I’m sorry for having an opinion that differs from others and I’m sorry for expressing myself in a way that I feel fit. Oh, sorry, no i’m not.

Sometimes Im glad that this is the Internet and in real life I’m 12 year girl in Orange County with pony tails. My comments are merely reaction to the inherent racist attitudes of many on this blog.

66 bbundaegi June 6, 2008 at 10:04 am

I really would like to know whether or not 2MB really is well-liked by most Koreans and kyopos. It seems as though most intelligent and free thinking people living in Korea and posting here at the Marmot’s Hole and in other news boards frequented by educated and intelligent people all agree that President Lee is a very welcome change and breath of fresh air after the clown policies of Roh and even KDJ.

However, I have been glancing at many Asian or Korean-themed web forums such as Asia Finest and Igoo which are two of the biggest sites on the internet frequented by a huge number of kyopos and Koreans alike. However, the comments I read in those discussions are completely opposite from those which I read here or in other more serious forums for educated people. Almost all of the posts by Korean 1.5 gens and Kyopos at Asia Finest and Igoo express disdain and hatred toward Lee Myung Bak calling him the worst president ever and that he is a “sell out” to the US and Japan. I was shocked to see so many comments also calling for his assassination. Also, a very common complaint about 2MB by the kyopo posters is that 2MB is too willing to bend over and make friends with the US and Japan and is anti-China. They seem to think that Roh was a much better president and think that an ideal Korean president would use force or go to war with Japan over the textbook issue or Dokdo and with the US over the beef issue.

I am wondering really if all of the positive comments of 2MB I see here at the Marmot’s Hole is do not really give an accurate representation of the Korean public’s true feelings. It seems as though most younger Koreans think that Roh Moo Hyun was the best president that Korea ever had whereas Lee Myung Bak is the worst.

67 swlee June 6, 2008 at 10:09 am

I am wondering really if all of the positive comments of 2MB I see here at the Marmot’s Hole is do not really give an accurate representation of the Korean public’s true feelings.

Bbundaegi wins three Internets and all of my base.
Funniest comment ever on marmots hole

68 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Because I’m Korean and I care about Korea. I have many family members in Korea and they are dear to me. I want Korea to be successful respected nation instead of being an international butt of jokes all the time. I want Koreans to be free from mass ignorance and hysteria

cm, can you explain your recent line of commenting which have taken a vastly anti-Korean pro-expat tone, to the point where a certain non-Korean commentator had complemented your commenting by calling it “impressive”? Such as the comment below;

Of course, the US should have the right to slap special safety tariffs designed to protect innocent American citizens on broad range of Korean products that are not tied to the beef deal – that is if they want to.

Canada should do the same to protect Canadian consumers from dangerous Korean products

Just admit it cm, you’re an opportunistic, hypocrite attention getter

69 slim June 6, 2008 at 1:41 pm

@66 – Hysteria and bottomless ignorance know no boundaries or passports.

This Hole has its token defiantly irrational Korean poster and some pustilent cyber-lepers who may be sock puppets of discredited predecessors and (apparently) reside in Australia, but otherwise, it’s mostly grownups who base their opinions on facts and science, whatever their opinion of the 101-day-old LMB presidency.

70 Jonathan Quick June 6, 2008 at 2:21 pm

If the FTA dies, both countries will lose out on big benefits. But Korea will lose much more than the US. The Bush Admin. has signed a very large number of FTAs bilaterally, and these will pay big dividends for the US economy. Korea faces very few positives in its economic outlook if I read it correctly. The USTR website claimed that 1.9 billion in US agriculture would become immediately tarriff free under teh FTA, and perhaps the lefties’ strategy really is to protect Korean ag at the expense of overall economic well being for Korea. If so, will they be held accountable? Think not.

71 okocha June 6, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Well. here is an article about BSE. I’m not a scientist but I think some people may have a point when it comes to the potential problem that BSE can create. I think the point here is that there are just too many unknown variables… I am absolutely confused so I would like other people’s input. thank you

http://www.larouchepub.com/oth.....lowry.html

72 cm June 6, 2008 at 7:39 pm

“cm, can you explain your recent line of commenting which have taken a vastly anti-Korean pro-expat tone, to the point where a certain non-Korean commentator had complemented your commenting by calling it “impressive”?”

Mins, my comments are not anti Korean at all. I hate ignorance, especially the kind that’s coming from Korea. Besides, I don’t have to explain anything to you, so go play in the freeway.

“Just admit it cm, you’re an opportunistic, hypocrite attention getter”

Actually, that’s what I think about you, Mins.

73 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Well cm, what took you so long?

And thank you for proving that you are indeed an opportunistic, hypocrite attention getter and a liar to boot.

74 andy June 6, 2008 at 10:19 pm

OK, so what’s the difference between the great hypocrite kyopo cm and the typical Korean netizen?

None whatsoever.

75 andy June 6, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Besides the great hypocrite kyopo cm’s refusal to explain his position truly shows that he indeed intends to continue with his ways.

Which is fine by me, since there will be an inexhaustible supply of ammo.

Hey cm, don’t you know that your actions only help to reinforce the image of kyopos as being opportunistic hypocrites?

76 Robert Koehler June 6, 2008 at 10:46 pm

STOP THE GYOPO BASHING NOW!

Cm is one of my best commenters. Leave him alone. Seriously.

77 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 10:52 pm

He may be one of your best commenters, but he needs to polish up on his manners.

78 cm June 6, 2008 at 11:08 pm

What manners did I really offend other than to write my comments? Did I call anyone names? Did I resort to race baiting? Did I pose as someone else? What ill manners are you talking about?

79 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Well if calling me an idiot and accusing me of manipulation isn’t ill mannered, then what is it?

80 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 11:15 pm

And are you accusing me of “race-baiting”, “calling names”, and “posing as someone else”? Because that’s also very ill-mannered of a “best commenter”

81 cm June 6, 2008 at 11:18 pm

“Well if calling me an idiot and accusing me of manipulation”

Well if writing the truth is ill manners, then nobody should write any comments here.

But seriously, you’re still holding a grudge against me because of what was said in a heat of argument a few months back? That’s amazing.

82 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 11:19 pm

Oh I did call you a opportunistic hypocrite. That I’ll admit. But you did call me that a while back, so now we’re even on that particular matter.

83 mins0306 June 6, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Well not a grudge. You work for a big Korean company you learn to have very thick skin. Let’s put it this way, you don’t like my way of thinking, and I don’t like your way of commenting.

84 Robert Koehler June 6, 2008 at 11:24 pm

OK, now that everyone’s even, can we please play nice now?

Or do I have to start banning people?

85 dogbert June 6, 2008 at 11:28 pm

OK, wjk, that’s a deal.

86 bumfromkorea June 6, 2008 at 11:39 pm

:-O A gyopo commenter NOT following the stereotypical image created by the idiotic mode of thought of ‘Us vs. Them’? Heavens to Betsy! Cm, how dare you have independent thoughts that does not fit the expectations that others have for your kind?

Cm, while I agree that the protests are irrational (when put politely), the best and easiest solution would be to have the K-MSM to run the fact that the beef is safe (I’m sorry, did I say the easiest? I meant practically impossible, considering the nature of K-MSM). But I do think it’s for the best if the high-risk parts of the beef that Koreans are very fond of (사골 comes to mind…) are limited to 30 & under, since apparently that’s the FDA’s judgment as well (assuming that this wasn’t already the part of the FTA). Perhaps the issue never came up in the States because, well, how many Americans eat cow spinal cord marrows? But I can think of couple of Korean recipes that involve them.

And I still maintain that some of you guys are taking this way too personally… honestly, if you guys do have ranches back here, you should take the only honorable path available by hooking me up.

87 WangKon936 June 7, 2008 at 2:12 am

# 66,

The Korean American older generation love LMB and by in large thought thought that Roh was a commie sympathizer.

Once I was watching Tae Guk Gi in Cerritos, CA there was this old timer sitting behind me. When that girl got shot by the death squads I heard the old guy say, “the bitch must die.” Whoa, that was hardcore.

By and large the older Korean Americans tend to be more conservative. Now sites like igoo and Asia’s Finest are populated by teenagers and college lower classmen who side with viewpoints that retain the most nationalistic pride. AF is particularly notorious for there being flame wars between different asians as to which group is the best looking, has the whitest skin, has the least amount of Chinese genetic markers, and other stupid shit. In other words it’s a waste of time other then pictures of hot asian girls that’s posted on there from time to time.

88 WangKon936 June 7, 2008 at 2:16 am

oh… and the younger Korean Americans in the mid 20’s to mid 30’s don’t really a crap about what goes on in Korea, unless the World Cup rolls around and it’s just a great excuse to wave the tae guk and get drunk and get laid.

89 mins0306 June 7, 2008 at 11:04 am

oh… and the younger Korean Americans in the mid 20’s to mid 30’s don’t really a crap about what goes on in Korea, unless the World Cup rolls around and it’s just a great excuse to wave the tae guk and get drunk and get laid.

And the reason that you are participating here is?

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