Open Thread #52

Looking nice this weekend. Try to enjoy it… while the hwangsa is away.

100 Comments

  1. Posted May 31, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Roboseyo’s “what if” of the day:

    If the Yangpa started posting again, what are the headlines you’d like to see?

    I’d love “Lee MyungBak Declares Korea’s Intention To Become World Hub Of What Else Have You Got?

  2. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    i found this post over at a newsweek comment thread. something to do about an article regarding the decline of america. i wanted to repost it here because these kinds of feelings are probably widespread in china. if you think only the koreans will be bowing to the chinese, you better think again:

    ‘Posted By: chongyeeyap @ 05/10/2008 12:24:46 PM
    Comment: We have 1.3 billion people in China and we need to provide jobs for all these people. We are doing very well and you can keep your meaningless and self serving mastabation for your own Americans; you can say that the chinamen are bloody fools for selling beautiful products for a fraction of what it would cost to make in the USA.. Yes, we are fools for working for the Americans, BUT WHO ARE THE ONES IN DEBT ? If China is so bloody impoverished, then how is it that China is able to spend US$60 billion to put on the world’s greatest Olympics ever ? If China is so impoverished then why is it that we have just commissioned the WORLD’S LARGEST AIR-PORT ? If we are so poor then why is it that we have just commissioned the world’s longest sea bridge in the world (36 Km, just 4 Km. shorter than the one in the USA, but our’s is a sea bridge.

    In terms of logic, Mr Fareed has inverted the argument on the points that make the USA competitive; Why & HOw ? If we take USA Vs China in a car race (as illustration), and since the USA at the time of Nixon”s visit in 1974 was ahead of China by 1000 miles ahead, and China was then only on the starting blocks, then at what increase of speed must China take to over take the USA ? Take note that if USA travelled at the speed of 60 Km and China travelled at 60 Km per hour then both the USA and CHina will go on forever and remained at a gap of 1000 miles for ever. This illustration shows that China has travelled many, many times faster than the USA to now catch up to the USA and by 2030 China will be 2.5 times the size of the USA economy. That being the case how can Mr Fareed say to us that the USA is competitive ? This is nonsense !

    I think it is time for me to gloat for a little bit; do you know that China is Japan’s biggest trade partner and the Japan is but the No.3 biggest trade partner of China’s ? That is not the most imporatant point, but the fact that China and Japan are drawing closer and closer together ia a bit un-nerving to the USA and the West ! I had seen this development 5 years ago and I wrote about in our Chinese publications; this development was inevitable. Japan, the Koreas and China together with one country two systems with HK Macao and Taiwan will become a “black hole to draw into themselves as one POLE OF THE WORLD; this grouping will be the centre of the world order. The USA is declining in warp speed. WE ALREADY ARE IN THIS NEW WORLD ORDER. Get used to it.’

  3. hardyandtiny your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....4copya.jpg

  4. hardyandtiny your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....hhorny.jpg

  5. SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    #2,

    Pawi, next time you want to scare us make sure you aren’t using a text that was obviously written by a teenager to do so.

    PS. Get into a car race with the US when American auto makers are nearly bankrupt? Wow, that’s impressive…more so considering that Chinese made cars aren’t exactly getting rave reviews.

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4Swzbt76wBM

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F06LjugtIUo

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=.....re=related

  6. mins0306 your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    When one takes the stairs here, one always notices a Korean girl in a miniskirt at the front covering her backside with her purse. Kind of makes me wonder why they do that considering that the purse doesn’t cover her whole backside and even without the purse one can’t see anything interesting, btw.

    More amusing is the girl in a knee length skirt covering her backside with her purse when she takes the stairs.

  7. Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    There may be a point somewhere in #2 among all the flawed logic and analogies.

  8. Austin your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    They probably only cover their backsides when whiteys are behind them. Might have something to do with our tongues hanging out and the drool eminating from your mouths.

  9. Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    “아가씨, 걱정마세요…엉덩이너무커서 일반남자들 보고싶지않마요”

    Forgive any mistakes (accuracy or otherwise) but I have always wanted to say this to the especially hot chicks who do that.

  10. What? your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Austin, was the comment necessary

  11. swlee your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Good one Rick McMuffin, in one line you have managed to creep me out about white english teachers in Korea.
    Have you stopped sleeping with your students yet?

  12. gbnhj your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    mins, you’re right - it’s become habit for many women, regardless of what they’re wearing. Heck, girls wearing shorts will do it, too.

  13. dong9chin9 your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Only slutty girls do this because they are not wearing underwear.
    They deserve to be raped. Korean girls don’t do this, You must have them confused with Japanese girls who are all whores.
    The Lord may have made a place for people like this in Leviticus 4:23, but not me.
    I don’t touch slutty women.
    Thats just me.
    I will rape them, but I will not make love to them.
    Baduk is currently on leave

  14. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    i don’t respect R. Elgin. He probably suffers from OCD.

  15. Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Youtube’s got a HD version of the The Good, The Bad and The Weird trailer.

    Sweet!

  16. Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Japanese parrot gets lost then says:

    “I’m Mr. Yosuke Nakamura,” the bird told the veterinarian, according to Uemura. The parrot also provided his full home address, down to the street number, and even entertained the hospital staff by singing songs.

  17. Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Historic Little Tokyo (home of the California Roll and the first place where sushi became big) of Los Angeles is disappearing and is becoming an extension of Koreatown.

    Article in Los Angeles Business Journal entitled (of all things) Sushi to Kimchi.

  18. jay h your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Concerned people:
    Cheap beef hits the market in a few days–go out and buy it. 미국산.

    #2 - The new world order theory seems to disregard a little place called Europe. And, does the writer really think the Japanese and Koreans want to be Chinese vassal states?

    China just has a lot of slave labor. I’ll applaud them when I see real quality of living increases and not just green sewage in the water and a big airport.

  19. Granfalloon your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    I’m having trouble with the Firefox Hyperwords translator. When I try to translate Hanguel into English I just get a big block of html code. Anybody else have this problem?

    Also, #3 is funniest thing I’ve seen all week.

  20. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    wang, is hurry curry still there?

    Had a nice poster of children dressed in Hanshin Tigers unis.

  21. Posted May 31, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    There was one in Little Tokyo?

    This is the only one I know of.

    http://www.hurrycurryoftokyo.com

  22. stacked your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    wtf are those real pictures? USA BEEF MAKING ME HORNY.

    LOL

  23. jd your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    The girls are covering their bums to prevent pervs (Korean and otherwise) from taking pictures up their skirts and up the legs of their shorts.

  24. average cho your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    regarding the koreanization of lil tokyo, itd be nice if the new owners of that mall really do go through with plans to cater to the broader audience rather than just koreans. for that matter, i wish koreatown in general would do the same.

  25. Johnson your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    “Yes, we are fools for working for the Americans, BUT WHO ARE THE ONES IN DEBT ?”

    Ha ha ha. So, this guy is saying that since America got all the goods, and China got lots of pieces of paper that are America’s promise to pay one day, that China has the upper hand?

    More laughing. America can void these debts anytime it feels like it, and China can go whistle. I think I remember reading they did that in the 19th century already.

    In the real crunch, who’s going to MAKE America pay? The People’s Army? Puh-lease, they can’t even work up their nerve to take an island 130 km away.

    Enjoy your pieces of paper, China. And thanks for all the stuff!

  26. Sonagi your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    @Mins:

    The women holding purses in front of their bottoms are probably trying to keep men from touching them. Female university students sling their backpacks low for the same reason.

  27. Austin your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Those backpacks must be slung very low then!

  28. Sonagi your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    They are. A friend of mine first noticed low slung backpacks on the subway and asked her students about them; they explained that wearing them that way was a deterrent against butt grabbers.

  29. gbnhj your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Friends, I take the subway daily, and have had innumerable opportunities to observe the phenomenon: girls covering their butts with their purse, or whatever else they may have with them - a notebook, a handbag, or even a shopping bag will do.

    They do so when ascending staircases - not when they are descending, nor when they’re walking in crowded areas, nor even when they’re just standing around in crowded subway cars. They don’t do it as they pass in and around crowds, as you might expect if they were trying to fend off a grope. You can observe the same thing occuring when folks use buses - no attempt to cover their asses while on the bus, but only while they get on the bus.

    It may have started out as some sort of preventative measure, but the habit seems to be approaching the level of becoming etiquette. These days, women in jeans or shorts will sometimes even cover up their already-covered asses.

  30. slim your flag
    Posted May 31, 2008 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    pawi’s monopoly here on (whatever it is he does) has been eroded by the likes of stacked, swlee and the dung9chimp9 guy.

  31. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    usda.gov

    An active BSE surveillance program has existed in the United States since May 1990, in order to safeguard the American cattle population…

    BSE-infected cattle have never been detected under the age of 20 months and 88% of the U.S. slaughter population is under this age…

    xxxWhat measures are being taken to ensure food safety in the U.S. from BSE?
    Similarly, FDA has prohibited the use of the cattle materials that carry the highest risk of BSE in human food, including dietary supplements, and in cosmetics. FDA’s rule (and September 2005 amendments) prohibit use of the following cattle material in human food and cosmetics:
    • cattle material from non-ambulatory, disabled cattle,
    • cattle material from organs from cattle 30 months of age or older in which infectious prions are most likely to occur, and the tonsils and the distal ileum of the small intestine of cattle of all ages,
    • cattle material from mechanically separated (MS) (beef), and
    • cattle material from cattle that are not inspected and passed for human consumption

    xxxfda.gov
    Was a case of BSE identified in the U.S. in December 2003?
    Yes, the USDA surveillance program identified the first BSE case in the U.S. in a dairy cow in Washington State. The cow was bought from a farm in

    Canada.

  32. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    just give them the japanese car, err, the japanese beef deal. they’ll live with that

  33. Jing your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Those pieces of paper are worth more than you would expect. They are the physical symbols of American economic strength and more importantly its status as the world’s premier economy. In economics, perception of reliability is key. A sovereign default by the United States would essentially turn America into another two-bit banana republic in the eyes of creditors and send it’s economy and much of the world’s as well into a tailspin from which it will take years if not a decade or more to recover.

    Defaulting on the trillion or so America owes China would wipe out maybe 3 times that much wealth and that is just in America alone. It won’t just be Chinese bankers that are effected, it will cause a global banking collapse and trigger an economic crisis the likes of the great depression. Which is why the U.S. government will never actually do so.

  34. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    don’t know why you can’t post direct links on this board but anyway, go to youtube and type in ‘white dude singing nuoc mat’. give the guy about 40 seconds and then he starts to sing in near flawless vietnamese.

    i don’t know why i always find it strange to see a white person speaking an asian language. reminds me of that russian family casually conversing in korean amongst themsleves…..

  35. seouldout your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:12 am | Permalink

    Pretty sensitive of you to learn Vietnamese before flying off to pick out your wife, pawi. You on the 2 or 3-day courtship/wedding/honeymoon package?

  36. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    i didn’t know you could figure out a girl in 3 days enough to marry.

    Sounds like you have experience, seouldout.

  37. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    by the way, why can’t you be happy foreigners in a foreign country, like that singing dude ?

  38. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    ‘Pretty sensitive of you to learn Vietnamese before flying off to pick out your wife, pawi. You on the 2 or 3-day courtship/wedding/honeymoon package?’

    whiney expat whinin all day about korean racism, tsk, tsk, tsk.

    can we say trailer park?

  39. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    ps i speak fluent vietnamese.

  40. SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    #24,
    The funniest thing is that, as far as I know, China still gets foreign aid from many countries, including Canada.

  41. SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    #34,37,

    You both need to get your minds out of the trailer park.

  42. dogbert your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    @36: Why can’t YOU?

  43. Craig your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    #6 or wearing a pretty summer dress with shoulder straps, the front not in anyway plunging, but they wear a tee-shirt under the dress. Makes the outfit look ugly.

  44. Posted June 1, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Small quake off the coast of Jeju last night.
    http://news.naver.com/main/rea.....0001966429

  45. Sonagi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    @#42:

    I recall that ugly t-shirt under a sundress look back in the late 90s. I guess some Korean women still feel too overexposed in a strappy sundress. I’m so glad to be back in states where I live all summer long in strappy tank tops with a built-in shelf bra.

  46. swlee your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Thank the lord for the freedom to wear strappy tank tops with a built-in shelf bra. Only in America. Lets keep talking about women’s underwear.

  47. dong9chin9 your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    “pawi’s monopoly here on (whatever it is he does) has been eroded by the likes of stacked, swlee and the dung9chimp9 guy.”
    And what do you contribute here, slim? There is no shortage here of expats bitter from being rejected by Korea. So many in fact, that they don’t even stand out.
    Lets celebrate the diversity of opinion.

  48. Posted June 1, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been in San Francisco for the last week. Good Lord, I had forgotten how wonderful the sight of white and black women’s full bosom and fleshy buttocks are. So much cleavage on display. Zowie. At least in the Financial District there is little sight of the mythical North American Fatty.

  49. swlee your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Few firms are likely to employ North American Fatties because of concerns over their bottom line.

  50. Sonagi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    The best habitats for observing the North American Fatty are Wal-mart, any all-you-can-eat-buffet under $10, and, of course, any large-size specialty clothing stores like Lane Bryant or Big and Tall. Whenever I shop at Wal-mart, I like to browse the woment’s clothing section, muttering loudly “How come they don’t carry anything smaller than a size 6? Wal-mart is discriminating against thin people.”

  51. swlee your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    On the Internet, even Sonagi can be thin!

  52. stacked your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    @2,

    ok pawi, stfu already. I’m Korean and you piss me off with your stupid posts.

    China hasn’t gone anywhere, its GDP per capita is 5,000. Its growing now because of folks in Hong Kong have been asking for a drop of the embargoes against China.

    Those embargo’s can go back up. No to mention there is a military embargo and if it weren’t for the Russians you’d be propeller planes for an air force.

    Explain to me what kind of Korean writes… “I wrote about in our Chinese publications”, are you even Korean?

  53. stacked your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    …you’d be flying propeller planes for an air force…

    @33, I assure you in a time of war, those debts will be gone. Why? The American will get a nice press release from the Chinese government saying we forgive your debt.

    You are basically giving them free money, and given the fact that I hate China like kimchi burgers, i hope they borrow a shitload more.

    I find funny is that you actually think the Americans wont attack you.

  54. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    how many politicians have you seen, who have

    “distanced themselves from”

    2 Pastors.

    Not 1. 2.

    And “left their church”

    for

    a bid for the President of the United States of America?

    To be honest, and to be totally honest,

    Just one.

    Barack Obama.

    I think in US History, you’ll just find one man who did that for the US Presidency as well.

    From my view, that’s interesting.

    Most likely not for you, and most likely irrelevant.

    Change we can believe in !

  55. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    ‘Explain to me what kind of Korean writes… “I wrote about in our Chinese publications”, are you even Korean?’

    do you know how foolish you look right now? is english a learned language for you?

    ‘i found this post over at a newsweek comment thread….’ pawi’s beginning statement.

  56. Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Wow!! The ‘Financial District‘ - the one with the CAPITAL ‘F’ AND CAPITAL ‘D’? You must really be a Big Time Player.

    Were you there to Cut A Major Deal? Were you At The Table? Did the other side have their own Army Of Lawyers? Did you Make Them An Offer They Can’t Refuse? Please, tell us, cuz this talk makes me wet, How Much Money Was In Play? And after the deal was signed, did everyone get blown by High-Priced Call Girls?

    I feel giddy just basking in the afterglow of your Financial District power play.

  57. arthjm your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    #48, I would have preferred “legendary” instead of mythical ;)

  58. John from Daejeon your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    #2, you look very foolish, because it seems the Chinese haven’t gotten the memo that “The USA is declining in warp speed.”

    http://www.krgv.com/2008/5/31/.....gals-Found

    I guess China isn’t quite the utopia you are painting it to be for these “Chinese” souls.

    Be grateful that you are in a place like the U.S. and not in China. I’m pretty sure your moronic ramblings would have you behind bars if you were to criticize the Chinese government the way you do the U.S. government.

  59. John from Daejeon your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    #2, if you do watch the video, La Joya is in South Texas. Some of the video is in the language known as Spanish which is very typical along the Southern border. Also, the they paid for their watermelon with U.S. currency (a bit odd), but they didn’t seem to realized just how hot it usually is this time of year in south Texas as a couple succumbed to the heat in the rear of the Suburban. Temperatures in this area are usually over the century mark by this time of year.

  60. Piper your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    “아가씨, 걱정마세요…엉덩이너무커서 일반남자들 보고싶지않마요”

    Forgive any mistakes (accuracy or otherwise) but I have always wanted to say this to the especially hot chicks who do that.

    “The young lady and anxiety roll up Ung lump too much cursor general man wild report it does not want Anh E bedspread”

    My thoughts exactly.

  61. Posted June 1, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    lol at translators.

    I heard from a friend that a radio station back in my hometown uses a babel fish type translator for a contest. They take the lyrics from a popular song, translate it to a random language, then translate that result back to English. You win by guessing the song.

    As an example using English to Korean to English

    Will end with my female cause and she me true feelings hour height silence will split the thing to seek and the inland the evil lost my mind in case is not and increased and the thing to go out was not visible and the thing always all day long, anything thinks but doing with the brown which thinks me only, the family making the thing the possibility the fact that will think Im where the mind people and low price in order not to be reaches you who are not you was a possibility of helping thought me who am this friend and well Whoah the thing where that is to life, a truth grudge happiness makes in compliance with baseless anxiety the discovery slanted, in compliance with multi, or If the eye grudge wearing out distantly who is makes the joke which does in the necessity which shows me and I sigh and you to laugh and to go out happily and there is not a possibility of feeling in order for the love is quite unreal in me will cry and to do, the possibility I doing it but too there is you and the thing in order to enjoy a life to go out, he wishes and wearing out say this word which now says me to you of my nation to you he is audible

    hint - old school metal

  62. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    don’t ever link a video for me, j from taejon. it’s just a waste of time. the post in number 2 wasn’t written by me. of course, you already know that.

    how’s your blog doing? still gathering cobbs on the web?

    @@@@

    what you guys think of sharon stone and her statement that implied the chinese deserved what they got because of tibet? looks like another cave-in here in the west. yet more bowing to those you say you never bow to. interesting, no? of course, i can understand why sharon said what she said; afterall, hollwood types usually get away with disparaging remarks about asians. not this time. not the last time either.

    the koreans should learn from the chinese. see what companies are affiliated with which studios and go after them. nothing makes america tick more than the color of money. that’s where you need to hit them.

  63. SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    “is english a learned language for you?”

    Oh, the irony!

  64. r.rac your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Brendon, thats why i like going home and living in hbc, THERE ARE BOOBS!!!!!!!!!!! and no tshirts underneath dresses. you should come to Austin and check out the area around the UT

    back to the beef, what part of this dont koreans understand:

    YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT!!!!!! NOBODY IS HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEADS FORCING YOU TO BUY AMERICAN BEEF!!!!

    please you morons stop this soon (at least pause until after the 16th) you’re making my getting to and from class a real pain in the ass, i dont want to get tear-gassed etc

  65. SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    I know I said I’m boycotting the Olympics…but now it looks like the 100m is going to be quite interesting. :(

    http://news.google.com/nwshp?h.....mp;topic=s

  66. Posted June 1, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    NYT, on the former press secretary’s memoirs:

    “When the McCain campaign abruptly moved last Tuesday’s fund-raiser with President Bush from the Phoenix Convention Center to a private home, it was the next best thing to sending the loathed lame duck into the witness protection program. John McCain and Mr. Bush were caught on camera together for a mere 26 seconds, and at 9 p.m. Eastern time, safely after the networks’ evening newscasts.

    That same evening Politico.com broke the news of Scott McClellan’s memoir, and it was soon All Bush All the Time in the mediasphere. Or more to the point: All Iraq All the Time…

    There is no news in his book, hardly the first to charge that the White House used propaganda to sell its war and that the so-called liberal media were “complicit enablers” of the con job….

    So why the fuss? Mr. McClellan isn’t a sizzling TV personality, or, before now, a household name beyond the Beltway. His book secured no major prepublication media send-off on “60 Minutes” or a newsmagazine cover. But if the tale of how the White House ginned up the war is an old story, the big new news is how ferocious a hold this familiar tale still exerts on the public all these years later. We have not moved on.

    Americans don’t like being lied to by their leaders, especially if there are casualties involved and especially if there’s no accountability. …

    That’s why the original sin of the war’s conception remains a political flash point, however much we tune out Iraq as it grinds on today. Even a figure as puny as Mr. McClellan can ignite it. The Democrats portray Mr. McCain as offering a third Bush term, but it’s a third term of the war that’s his bigger problem. …

  67. bumfromkorea your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    @wjk
    Well, to be fair, how many presidential hopefuls got scrutinized over and over and over and over again over what their crazy pastors have said? Hell, I have one too. Mine wants to send a lot of missionaries to Japan so that Koreans can culturally dominate the country while converting them. Doesn’t mean I go around handing out copies of Oldboy to any Japanese people I can find (and yes, the movie selection was intentional).

    The closest example I can think of is JFK, who got scrutinized over his religion (Catholic). I believe he pledged to place his religious obligation well below his political obligation.

    The pastors controversy is a very, very thinly-veiled argument pertaining to a certain attribute… a characteristic of Obama, if you will. If you were paying half an attention, it’s not too hard to figure out what that is.

  68. bumfromkorea your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    @#66
    At least in Arizona, AZ democrats are seeing it (relocation of McCain/Bush rally from Phoenix center to Jack London’s house) as a political victory. It sure got them all frisky… this is the opening of the fundraiser email I got.

    “Did you wake up this morning with an uneasy feeling? You’re probably just reacting to a certain unwelcome visitor. That’s right, President Bush arrives in Arizona in just a few hours. While here, he will raise money for John McCain and the Republican Party.

    Our efforts to turn up the heat on Bush’s visit have paid off in huge ways. Rumors of low attendance and concerns over massive protests have forced the McCain/Bush duo into hiding.

    In addition to this exciting news, we are well on our way to hitting our fundraising goal! Help us reach our online fundraising goal of $12,500 before he arrives!”

  69. cmm your flag
    Posted June 1, 2008 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    can pawi be banned again? or eternally sent back to his beloved Korea?

    meanwhile, I was amused by dongchin’s parody of baduk.

  70. baduk your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    #2: the Final solution: The second China-Japan War in next decade.

    We are getting there.

  71. baduk your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    cmm,
    What parody? Where?

  72. baduk your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Check out Son Dambi’s hip swivelling action;

    http://www.truveo.com/Son-Dam-.....2447965481

  73. Posted June 2, 2008 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Wow!! The ‘Financial District‘ - the one with the CAPITAL ‘F’ AND CAPITAL ‘D’? You must really be a Big Time Player.

    Were you there to Cut A Major Deal? Were you At The Table? Did the other side have their own Army Of Lawyers? Did you Make Them An Offer They Can’t Refuse? Please, tell us, cuz this talk makes me wet, How Much Money Was In Play? And after the deal was signed, did everyone get blown by High-Priced Call Girls?

    I feel giddy just basking in the afterglow of your Financial District power play.

    Oh, yes — all that, and more: I went to In-N-Out Burger too. Or am I in trouble for capitalizing that proper name as well?

  74. SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Did you guys read about the Dunkin’ Donuts ad that had some crackpot conservative radio hosts freaking out?

  75. hardyandtiny your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....howgun.jpg

  76. Anony your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    Linkd - open wide, insert both feet. Your blather about “Financial District” revealed 2 things: 1) you haven’t a clue about neighborhood names in most major cities, and 2) you have nothing significant to contribute by posting. Really, you pounce on capitalization? How are your feet tasting?

  77. hardyandtiny your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....wgun-1.jpg

  78. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 4:21 am | Permalink

    none of blueball’s comments are witty nor funny, if say, you are a Korean. They are actually quite tiredsomely discriminatory.

    I thought normal human beings show a preference for their mate’s country of origin. You know, like, learn the lang, listen to music, watch tv shows, movies, etc. I suspect these people of more cognitive dissonance than you claim us to have, because, well, the love of your life is of people you so intensely ridicule and despise. It would be like Strom and his slave lover. Why that’s EXACTLY it.

    Also, hardyandtiny got away with several jokes on black people of late.

    I have no doubt he is a sexual deviant. He’s interesting though. I think somehow he gets hash in Korea.

    And of course, all those photos are fake.

  79. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    but blueballs, what you are doing is fairly common.

    it’s been depicted in history, arts, movies, literature, you name it.

    I just hope you accept that you ARE doing it.

  80. hardyandtiny your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    “I thought normal human beings show a preference for their mate’s country of origin.”

    What would make you think that? Everybody’s been killing each other
    in the name of their country forever.

  81. wjk, 검은 머리 외국인 your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    actually, that’s a great point, hardy.

    Now, I finally realized that all those guys who introduce themselves as

    “my wife is Korean.”

    or

    “my adopted child is Korean.”

    are actually, potentially major closet haters of Korea !

    What a revelation !

    anyway, it seems most of you have no idea of why they’re protesting.

    1/ they believe they’ll eat 30 month olds.

    2/ they believe this is NOT the exact same eaten in the US.

    3/ they believe because of the cheaper price of beef, Korean merchants will yield to the temptation of profit (as they have so faithfully done so, infinite times), and will sell US beef as Hanwoo, ANZ, etc.
    4/ they believe that not only is beef being imported, but also all the other stuff that a cow is used for. Edible oil, cosmetics components, etc. Thus, they can’t avoid it. In short, It will be in their ramen, their #1 fast food.

    I’m quite surprised that you ACT like you don’t know what’s going on, but I shrug my shoulders and wash my hands.

    Now, without ever having read the trade agreement, I wonder WHY they believe the US is out to sell them “Bad Beef” that no American consumes. Check out the FDA page. The one that “lies”. (saying this very sarcastically)

    Google, FDA, 30 month, BSE.

  82. dogbert your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    wjk = the kyopo Al Sharpton

  83. Posted June 2, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    It’s not a proper name. It’s only capitalized by people wishing to inflate the concept. Hotels, tour companies, stuffed suits, etc.

    In any case, I probably would have found something (insignificant) in the lawyer’s post to pounce on, even without the capitals, cuz that’s just how I get my kicks sometimes. Anony, you may wish to get your kicks in the future by engaging wjk or stacked in conversation - you ain’t worth ballsweat to me.

  84. dogbert your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    The Financial District in San Francisco (as in New York) is the name of a neighborhood and so properly capitalized, just as Chinatown, Nob Hill, the Tenderloin, the Sunset, etc. all are. It is a proper name.

  85. Wedge your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Ditto Dogbert. I might add North Beach, with its excellent North Beach Pizza.

  86. Posted June 2, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Well for you guys maybe I’ll taste my feet. But ballsweat is definitely Off The Table.

  87. Posted June 2, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Robert Koehler…is upset at Director Mark Pellington over his new film, Henry Poole Is Here.” He can’t believe the audacity of a movie with religious themes actually having religious themes in it. Why it’s a crime, you see. Koehler is so upset that he blurts out the memorable critique of, “not since ‘The Passion of the Christ’ has a mainstream Hollywood product insisted so firmly in faith”!
    Wow, “insisted” firmly in faith? Oh, the humanity. Why there oughtta be a law!
    You can just feel the anguish that Koehler has that this director dared to feature religious conversion, religious discussions, and a serious attempt to legitimize faith in his film.

    I had no idea he had come to this.
    I’m sure others at the Hole have figured this out long ago, this is the first I’ve seen of it.
    (I don’t know how he lives in Chicago and Seoul at the same time, but I’m working on it.)
    (by the way, the … in the quote replaced “of Variety”)

  88. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    here are some ‘yeah, but..’ statistics on domestic violence here in america. thank god american women got it better than the korean one.

    Estimates range from 960,000 incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend per year1 to three million women who are physically abused by their husband or boyfriend per year.2
    Around the world, at least one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused during her lifetime.3
    Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives, according to a 1998 Commonwealth Fund survey.4
    Nearly 25 percent of American women report being raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime, according to the National Violence Against Women Survey, conducted from November 1995 to May 1996.5
    Thirty percent of Americans say they know a woman who has been physically abused by her husband or boyfriend in the past year.6
    In the year 2001, more than half a million American women (588,490 women) were victims of nonfatal violence committed by an intimate partner.7
    Intimate partner violence is primarily a crime against women. In 2001, women accounted for 85 percent of the victims of intimate partner violence (588,490 total) and men accounted for approximately 15 percent of the victims (103,220 total).8
    While women are less likely than men to be victims of violent crimes overall, women are five to eight times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner.9
    In 2001, intimate partner violence made up 20 percent of violent crime against women. The same year, intimate partners committed three percent of all violent crime against men.10
    As many as 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy.11
    Women of all races are about equally vulnerable to violence by an intimate.12
    Male violence against women does much more damage than female violence against men; women are much more likely to be injured than men.13
    The most rapid growth in domestic relations caseloads is occurring in domestic violence filings. Between 1993 and 1995, 18 of 32 states with three year filing figures reported an increase of 20 percent or more.14
    Women are seven to 14 times more likely than men to report suffering severe physical assaults from an intimate partner.’ (end)

    ‘i do not see cruelty to slaughter animals because they do it so far away. therefore, there is no cruelty to slaughter animals here in the states.’ american logic.

    ‘Women of all races are about equally vulnerable to violence by an intimate…’ statistic above

    so, don’t try the minority line.

    ‘men are men no matter where you go.’ sage pawi.

    男人是男人 여인시여인

  89. dong9chin9 your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    @ Pawikirogi…
    shouldn’t that be 남인시남인 or did you intend something with the juxtaposition.
    And Marmot, what happened to the funny thread about meat and satire? It seems to have fallen away.

  90. Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    “And Marmot, what happened to the funny thread about meat and satire? It seems to have fallen away.”

    Not enough head slapping, falling down, or funny haircuts for it to be appreciated by some of the readers.

  91. Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    usinkorea: I’m not sure if you are joking are not — due to poor genetics that you can probably make out from my last name, I was born without a sense of humor — but in case you weren’t, the last name “Koehler” is a fairly common one in the German-speaking word (see, for instance, former IMF chief and current German president Horst Koehler, or the bathroom fixtures company Kohler, founded by Austrian immigrant John Michael Kohler), while “Robert” is a very common given name throughout the Western world. Accordingly, the possibility that someone else might be blessed with the name “Robert Koehler” is not altogether remote. This is to say, I’m NOT Robert Koehler, the noted film critic who writes for VARIETY, nor am I Robert Koehler, the German-American painter who died in 1917.

  92. Maddlew your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Pawi, the key word is reported. At least it’s being reported. There aren’t those kinds of stats here because, let’s face it, what good would it do? We all saw how rip-roaring enthusiastic the police were in going after that guy who tried to kidnap the little girl in the elevator in Ilsan. Imagine how they are with spousal abuse. Don’t tell me, I already know what you’ll say. Believe me, I think it’s f’d up wherever it rears its ugly head. But at least in the States there isn’t as much of a stigma or an aura of futility involved in reporting it. There still is, but not to the same extent. Until five years ago they weren’t even aware the problem existed in Japan. There still aren’t any homosexuals, let alone violence against homosexuals in Iran. Beleeb It!
    WJK, so before you start importing US beef you trust what’s in your ramien? Only afterward will you wonder whether there’s full and truthful disclosure? Only after US beef starts pouring in are they gonna start being dishonest? Are you sure the essence of beef you get in those packages isn’t from Brasil or Mexico? How much regulation is involved at present that can’t be overcome with the right amount of graft? Ramien seems like a pretty good value for someone to waste a chunk of grade A han beef on.
    If US beef import opponents have such a sound argument why are they getting caught and retracting the lies of their arguments. Why can’t they let their points stand on their own merit? Why did they lie about the woman dying in Texas? Why did they lie about the “Downer Cows” video? Why is it that the Korean doing the research on the gene that makes Koreans more suceptible to the disease a proponent of US beef and actually partakes of it, “Quite often”. Why are they saying that Americans consume predominantly Austalian beef when in fact I’ve never seen Australian beef in supermarkets back home and my father hasn’t either and has been trying since I told him to be on the lookout? Have you seen any? Statistics show that 92% of the beef produced in the States is actually consumed domestically.
    Why did one opponent argue that quite often slaughterhouses include up to seven year old dairy cows past their prime in the mix? He stated that even those were consumed, domestically, in one way or another. Seems that a seven year old cow is well past that thirty month criteria that everyone says Americans don’t eat. Can’t have it both ways.

  93. dong9chin9 your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Is it “The Financial District,” “Financial District,” or the “Financial District.”
    I wouldn’t feel too bad about the mistake linkd, sounds like a stupid name for a suburb. Maybe you have been working with bad english for too long. There was a britain guy working at my old company that was the web editor, and he said his english became worse the longer he stayed in Korea.

  94. Maddlew your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Dong9chin9, have you been to SF? Suburbs?

  95. Maddlew your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Oh, I get it! He was bordering on satire, irony, self-deprecation and facetiousness. Well done!

  96. dong9chin9 your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    No, I once passed through the airport. SFX or something. I’d like to go someday though, race a ferrari through the streets, jump on to a moving tram, exchange wisecracks with the witty black tram conductor, steal a motor bike from a hippy, buy drugs from the back of a volkswagen kombi, take lsd and entwine my naked self with stoned big breasted women with long hair, set up a start up company that specializes in financing and corporate establishment procedures for new companies.
    Maybe Brendon will even take me to Financial District for a coffee and a visit to his favorite bathhouse.

  97. Posted June 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I was trying to be slightly witty…

    I knew you don’t live in Chicago or write for Variety - and given the amount of church pictures you have hanging around - and vague memories about comments you’ve made whenever an issue about Christians in Korea has come up over the years, I knew you were unlikely to be bashing a film for having a religious tone…

    I just happened to come across that item when looking at the Newsbusters site…

  98. john brandt your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Here are comments by Wendy Cutler, US trade rep (should this be capitalized, you needledick?) at the 6th round of the FTA talks which took place in Dec. 2006 in Big Sky, Montana. She was answering a question from the Korean press corps. Go Wendy.

    Question 3:
    Given the importance that Congress has attached to opening the Korean market toAmerican beef, has there been any progress on that issue this week?

    Cutler:
    First, let me just say I’ve had the opportunity to talk to a number of reporters during the
    week. And I’ve seen some of you in some restaurants here, and I understand that a number of
    you have enjoyed delicious Montana beef while in the United States. You’ve told me it’s
    delicious. You’ve told me it’s not expensive. And you look extremely healthy. So I would hope
    that when you return to Korea you will urge your government to work with us and quickly reopen
    this market.
    As I said earlier this week, technically re-opening the beef market is not part of the FTA
    negotiations. But this problem is in the back drop of everything we’ve been doing this week here
    in Montana. Put simply, in the United States we will not have stakeholder and Congressional support for KORUS FTA agreement no matter how good it is unless the Korean beef market is fully opened. In my meetings with Ambassador Kim this week I have underscored repeatedly
    the importance of Korea taking the necessary steps to re-open its market. And I will conclude on the beef issue to by just saying that we will shortly be requesting consultations with the
    government of Korea to clarify its import and inspection procedures so we can get this beef market finally opened.”

    Now, it would be nice to see which of those same Korean journalists, if any, are fanning the flames of the beef scare now.

  99. john brandt your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Ooopss… that was from the 5th round.

  100. Wedge your flag
    Posted June 2, 2008 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    #86: I think that was a misdirection anyway. We know Brendon was hanging in the Castro all along.

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