I am reminded of an incident while teaching in Canada: a grade 10 student was drunk and quite obnoxious in class, so I told him to leave and got to the principals office. He refused to egt out of his chair. I phoned the office and both the principal and vice principal were out of the school at the board office. I asked the student to leave and go home and again he refused to budge.

I dared him to stay in his chair, and he said for sure there was nothing I could do. He bragged that he would stay in the chair until the end of the period and again challenged anyone to try to make him move.

The classroom across the hall was not being used that period, so the entire class and I simply got up and relocated to the empty class and left him sitting there for 50 minutes on his own feeling and looking quite silly.

I am reminded of an incident while teaching in Canada: a grade 10 student was drunk and quite obnoxious in class, so I told him to leave and go to the principal’s office. He refused to get out of his chair. I phoned the office and both the principal and vice principal were out of the school on business. I asked the student to leave and go home and again he refused to budge.

I dared him to stay in his chair, and he said for sure there was nothing I could do. He bragged that he would stay in the chair until the end of the period and again challenged anyone to try to make him move.

The classroom across the hall was not being used that period, so the entire class and I simply got up and relocated to the empty class and left him sitting there for 50 minutes on his own feeling and looking quite silly.

I am reminded of an incident while teaching in Canada: a grade 10 student was drunk and quite obnoxious in class, so I told him to leave and got to the principals office. He refused to egt out of his chair. I phoned the office and both the principal and vice principal were out of the school at the board office. I asked the student to leave and go home and again he refused to budge.

I dared him to stay in his chair, and he said for sure there was nothing I could do. He bragged that he would stay in the chair until the end of the period and again challenged anyone to try to make him move.

The classroom across the hall was not being used that period, so the entire class and I simply got up and relocated to the empty class and left him sitting there for 50 minutes on his own feeling and looking quite silly.

20th century, pre-1980s, at least in terms of my own experiences as a student and teacher in Ontario and Quebec. I’m not against a little old fashioned discipline at home or even at school, at least in principle, but hitting is no longer really considered acceptable or an ideal means of dealing with students. Fortunately or unfortunately, a teacher is assigned to whatever era they happen to be teaching in.

“Not only the teachers but also most of the students feel much more at ease when it’s clear that open rudeness and insolence towards teachers will almost never happen.”

I agree. Hopefully, they can establish some rules and expectations from the first day of school. Though teachers are sometimes dealt a bum hand when it comes to difficult students, they still have to cope. They also have to deal with the flaws of the system they work within. So do cops, but there are lines they aren’t supposed to cross as well.

Like I said - twice already - I sympathize with the teacher. We all screw up sometimes and it is a tough job. Again - third time I think - the students aren’t without guilt and there should be consequences. However, as a certified middle and high school teacher who had done three years of substitute teaching (where I can assure you, teachers have to deal with more than rudeness and insolence) my training, experience, and common sense would have discouraged me from putting myself into a situation where I might lose it and become violent.

Assign me to whatever decade or century you want, but I’ve seen the difference between a school where insolence is tolerated (or ignored) and one where it is not. Not only the teachers but also most of the students feel much more at ease when it’s clear that open rudeness and insolence towards teachers will almost never happen.

Assign me to whatever past decade or century you want, but I’ve seen the difference between a school where insolence is tolerated and one where it isn’t, and not only the teachers but also most of the students feel much more at ease when they know that open displays of insolence will almost never happen.

The survey is a good idea, but does that excuse a teacher: A) freaking out because she took something personally, B) deciding the problem had to be dealt with immediately after class without taking the time to cool off, and C) introducing her own bit of school bullying by bringing out the stick when her initial uncontrolled outburst wasn’t having the intended effect.

“And then these two decided not only to ruin it, but to demonstrate how powerless teachers were by writing obscenities about their teacher.”

Students can ruin great activities. It happens sometimes. It’s how you deal with these things that matter. These students may well be total turds, but the teacher proved herself to be powerless only when she handled the episode poorly.

She could have handled it the next day. She could have made copies of the surveys and given them to the principal and/or parents. She shouldn’t have put herself in a situation where she was no longer in control of the situation. None of what I’ve written means the kids shouldn’t be punished. (My first post on the topic, argues that they should!)

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