An ABC news video showing a masked gunman entering the LA County store of 51-year-old Hye-sook Roh and shooting her three times before robbing the store. In the video, a customer sobs as she recalls the friendly manner of Ms. Roh, who had been robbed three times before. The video is getting lots of views at ABC’s news website.
Note: it is not possible to link to the video itself, only the collection of videos. The video is called “Murder Caught on Tape.”
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Not sure why this is surprising. What else can happen when Koreans continue to crowd and live amongst the dregs of society in the worst parts of the city God and America abandoned called LA?
Ooops I almost forgot. I must be “tolerant.”
Just saw on the news last night another ajumma was murdered in Brooklyn in her dry cleaners shop.
How cowardly to shoot a woman. The “hood” needs to be cleansed and soon.
This was Gardena, not L.A. And while Gardena isn’t the safest place, it’s not South Central Los Angeles either. Asians slightly outnumber both blacks and whites and Nissan’s national headquarters was there until recently.
The Korean man who owns the bakery called it a safe neighborhood, even though the distraught regular customer said that the victim had been robbed three times. It’s not like it was an 24-hour liquor store, just a clothing store in a suburban strip mall. Maybe the victim thought this was a good place when she set up shop there. It’s a tragedy that could have happened in a lot of places.
She was robbed three times but it looks like her neighbors won’t robbed at all. It’s likely that she kept a lot of cash at the business, which tends to attract more robberies.
So, #1 and #2, how should the “hood” be cleaned up? What do we do about “the dregs of society”? If Pawi were here, he’d ask.
white people created the “hood”.
America is a country in racial tension.
Masked by the suburb exodus, and the automobile that made such life possible. I expect it to survive the gasoline prices. Only in America, you’ll hear a politician say things that
“People need cheap gasoline, to get to work.”
I think in other countries, people live closer, and use public transit.
if you deny that inner city Latinos are out there to duke it out with inner city Black Americans, you’re living in la-la-land.
I’m 100% sure this was a different race person, shooting up the Korean.
low SES Koreans made money in the US, by doing exactly these kind of jobs.
High risk.
The shooter appears to be black. The distraught regular customer and friend of the owner is black.
Korean on Korean crime does occur, but mostly in Korea.
#1,
You disgust me. You’re pissing on this poor woman’s grave by making such a statement. Listening to her friends speak, it’s seems clear that she was a kind woman who didn’t share your racism.
Hey WJK,
What do you mean by “SES”?
I agree that Los Angeles is a complete shithole city. If not forced to, I have no idea why anyone in his/her right mind would want to live there. Koreans should move out from that city as soon as possible to save their livelihood and set up a Korean community elsewhere.
I don’t know whose sock “pawi’s conscience” is, but the shtick has become tiresome. Jesus Christ, the real pawi was less irritating.
Wow, after all the calls for understanding the plight of a mother who lost her son(and those calls are correct), it’s still shocking to see the brazen dismissal of somebody who just was murdered. You can point out that there are racial and economic causes behind this without reducing the victim. Say what you want, I grew up in LA, I’ve seen the problems, and I still love it. LA is rife with racial tensions, because all the races are there, but there are also plenty examples of how they come together that don’t make the news. Say what you want, I just wanted you to know that there ARE people that love LA, warts and all.
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people!
What a load of crap. When will the United States finally catch up with the rest of the civilised world, and get all the guns of the street. Rest of the world wrong, United States right!
John Howard ex Prime Minister of Australia, bit the bullet by getting semi automatic weapons out of the hands of the public.
The US needs some polititians with balls!
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people!
What a load of crap. When will the United States finally catch up with the rest of the civilised world, and get all the guns of the street. Rest of the world wrong, United States right!
John Howard ex Prime Minister of Australia, bit the bullet by getting semi automatic weapons out of the hands of the public.
The US needs some polititians with balls!
How prevalent was gun ownership in Australia?
There are simply too many weapons in circulation in the U.S. Absent a dragonian police action that would likely lead to bloodshed, no U.S. administration is going to be able to forcibly confiscate guns, even if it were Constitutional to do so.
And the U.S. is part of the civilized world. Don’t worry about how we do things, abo abuser.
And when the Oz government banned guns, gun crime went up.
http://www.google.com/search?h.....mp;spell=1
Or a better link:
SYDNEY is in the grip of a wave of gun crime, with a weapon fired or used to menace innocent residents six days in every seven.
Police figures show there have been no fewer than 40 incidents involving guns across the metropolitan region since the beginning of last month.
The presence of guns in so many recent crimes is at odds with the State Government’s repeated insistence that the incidence of gun crime is continuing to fall dramatically.
The armed robbers, carjackers and home invaders have not discriminated between districts of the city, striking everywhere from Double Bay to Sydney’s west, from the southern to the northern suburbs.
When do you guys think that the ‘point of no return’ occurred for U.S.? And by that, I mean the last point in U.S. history where a reasonable gun restriction policy could have been implemented (without public sentiment in mind).
It would have had to have been sometime in the 19th Century, if not the 18th, IMO.
Hmm… right before the expansion to the west? That seemed to be the most popular opinion among my friends, but some argue it could have been up to 1950s, citing the gigantic spike in gun ownership around that era.
It’s been a sad week for Korean-Americans. In the New Yor region a dry cleaner in Brooklyn was killed and three Korean-Americans were killed in a NJ suburb. I’m not sure if this site takes links, but you could find the articles in the NY TImes and the Daily News.
Terrible news story. Very sad. I hope that the devil has a special place for the scum who kill little old ladies. I hope they catch these guys soon.
Someone asking you how you would “cleanse the hood” is irritating? Do you get asked that a lot?
My shtick is no shtick: I want Pawi to come to me with his rants so I can talk him down from his anger and distill his rage into something useful. Pawi, I’m waiting: pawis.conscience@gmail.com
When do you guys think that the ‘point of no return’ occurred for U.S.? And by that, I mean the last point in U.S. history where a reasonable gun restriction policy could have been implemented (without public sentiment in mind).
There was probably never such a time, as the U.S. was founded on a common understanding and agreement that the people possess “unalienable” God-given liberties that include the right to keep and bear arms. Limited government as understood in the U.S. presupposes such a government-free origin for human rights, which is why “the people” rather than the state have historically been considered sovereign in the American republic.
“Reasonable gun restrictions” are conceptually coherent only in countries that believe rights are “conferred” by the state (this is the origin of the term “civil rights,” which is a counterfeit substitute for human rights) rather than inalienable. The fatal flaw of this approach is that a “right” of the people granted by a state is no right at all, as it can be reasonably taken away by the state.
You may not mind when the state takes away guns from the people because you don’t personally care for guns, but the principle of state-defined “reasonable restrictions” on human rights means the state is free to take away other rights that you do care for.
You’re irritating because of your pedantic and patronizing manner and the fact that you are obviously the sock of someone familiar with this site and most likely a regular poster or commenter.
How would I cleanse the hood? I’ll tell you.
I would treat the murder of people such as this poor Korean shopkeeper as tragedies the equal of 9/11. In truth, this is a kind of domestic terrorism. I would go after the neighborhoods that breed these terrorists with the same fury the U.S. military does in Iraq when another soldier is killed by an I.E.D.
Of course I’m a regular poster or commenter. That’s obvious because who would think that some bloke stumbled across this blog and suddenly decided he would make it his mission to save Pawi from himself?
And asking you a followup on how you would “cleanse” the hood… how is that pedantic or patronizing? The word “cleanse” struck me as odd (its association with ethnic cleansing) but if you meant “clean up” then I am genuinely curious about a workable solution. No offense intended and nothing condescending meant.
Haven’t you been critical of the Iraq War (or am I mixing you up with somebody else)…? Do you think that would work without a bunch of innocent people caught in the cross fire, like in Iraq?
You can hate the inner-city neighborhood and not be racist, you know. There’s a ‘hood in my hometown I’d like to see “cleansed” - a ‘hood that has all the features of any other, except my hometown is less than half a million…
Is it coincidence that most of that ‘hood is black? Probably. I’d like to see all people of that area sent packing, no matter their skin color or ethnicity.
(상관없는 걸로 싸운다냐. 쩝)
One comment reports another recent murder case nearby Ms. Roh.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....was-a.html
That’s the second T-shirt seller killed in Compton in less than 3 weeks. Bobby Williams was shot selling T-shirts 10 blocks away on April 26th.
Posted by: BH | May 15, 2008 at 03:18 PM
this is wrong.
It is not a coincidence.
This was created after World War II, by white flight, Democrats using tax payer money to create artificial housing projects.
Look it up.
America IS racist.
When the guy comes in with a mask and gun, the lady quickly shuts the register and runs away from it.
Is money that important?
Fuck that. I don’t care if I was robbed three times, I’d be like “here you go!”
“inner cities” are in all major US cities.
There are no such things in Korea.
You can laugh, but, you know, that country of One population.
All inner cities are inner cities. Prime location for housing.
Yet, no one wants to house there, if they are a of a particular skin color.
Don’t try to cover up this fact.
Just like Obama is trying to hide the truth that Rev. Wright spoke.
There is a lot of anger from that population towards white folk.
Obama doesn’t want you to know. Actually, you already know.
You never go there.
You try not to pump gas there.
I do. I have no problem with it.
but, you don’t.
I can understand a girl doing that. But look at white guy doing that, and you think either he’s got a real target on his head, if he’s in that hood, or he’s a pussy.
@25: no point having a dialogue with socks — I still remember “kushibora”
@wjk: you’re still an idiot. Can you please stop being a Mets fan, at least?
Don’t ask the majority ethnicity/race whether or not racism still affects society. Ask the minority. You’ll be very surprised at their answers.
“You know, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity where a poor man can become rich and a PUSSY can become a tough guy, if he’s got a gun in his hand.”
Case in point. Fry the bastard.
Interesting.. A black dude shoots a Korean to death and the topic turns to how racist white people are.
Wow, this is amazing, but WJK is actually fairly right. It’s amazing how ignorant some of the posters on here have been, I’d swear that they’ve never taken a highschool history class.
Suburbs, and the “dream” of the suburb, has always been a fairly racist one. Levit Town, the first suburb in America, had a definitive “no blacks” rule. The Politically Correct replacement of which has been White Flight.
Fucking read people.
Terrible incident, it’s disgusting that some feel the need to violently take another life for no reason at all.
#15 - dogbert, you better watch out throwing the ‘a’ word around, it’s a highly derogatory abbreviated word which carries as much history and potency as the ‘n’ word does to African-Americans. Your argument loses strength when you throw around words which you obviously don’t have a cultural understanding of. Say that word often enough in Australia or around Australians and you might find yourself in a bit of bother.
Despite John Howard’s (only) great accomplishment of toughen up the gun laws and clearing out semi-automatics, all the crims and organised gangs still have them and are increasingly brazen. The police got incredibly soft during the late 90s, early 00s for fear of upseting certain minorities and the result is increasingly mobile, violent and reactionary orgainised gangs with the police playing catch up.
Sydney’s crime rate is going up as the city is seemingly emulating LA culture in creating a highly fractious, divided sprawl of a place with crippling public transport, over-reliance on cars, ever widening gap between the have and have nots, highly strained race relations between the Middle Eastern community and Anglo-Australians and generally an increasingly angry populous. Vast majority of areas are still safe and you’d be very unlikely to be a victim of crime. Yet, at the same time, it’s not the same city I grew up in and I’m not in particular hurry to get back there.
Svend,
Actually, gun crimes didn’t go up in Oz after gun laws were strengthened.
Read this:
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/gunaus.htm
The myth you’ve bought into seemed to a very popular one in the states, particularly amoung gun-nuts. I was working there at the time and I lost count of the number of Americans who, when I told them I was Australian, said, So I here they’re taking your guns away down there, and crimes going up! The NRA actually ran a really dishonest campaign on it, based on manipulated data.
Crime went up in general (it went down again not long afterwards) but gun crime fell, and overall homicides fell.
Additionally, as per the linked article,
Other Countries
Similar reductions in gun death and injury have been noted in several countries whose gun controls have been recently tightened.
In Canada, where new gun laws were introduced in 1991 and 1995, the number of gun deaths has reached a 30-year low.
Two years ago in the United Kingdom, civilian handguns were banned, bought back from their owners and destroyed. In the year following the law change, Scotland recorded a 17% drop in all firearm-related offences. The British Home Office reports that in the nine months following the handgun ban, firearm-related offences in England and Wales dropped by 13%.
A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American.
Not Unreasonable; At the end of the day, you’re trading your right to carry an automatic weapon designed to kill human beings with the right and have your kids safe from getting their brains blown out in a school classroom.
What do “Human Rights” have to do with it? Since when is it a human right to carry a glock, or an automatic weapon? Not every american has access to health care; shouldn’t that be a higher priority, vis-a-ve Human Rights, that owning a shiny toy that slays people? Why is it that the right ot bear arms carries such a high premium of value when compared to other rights?
Whether you like it or not, the US has a million laws, created and enforced by the state; to live in a functioning, civil society, you must be, to a certain extent, beholden to the will of the represented majority, or, in your own weighted words, “the state”; to deny this is to aspire to live in the fuedal dark ages. So lets accept it, and move on to particulars. Like, what makes a gun-law more infringing on personal freedoms, than, say, the right to bathe nude at a deserted beach? To smoke a scoob? I’ll tell you what: your culture. Wants, not needs. Laws and rights need have nothing to do with it.
At the end of the day, as an American, that’s your choice; but calling the choice of other countries “Fatally flawed” is ridiculous. Gun laws in Australia were founded upon popular mandate; in other words, the people wanted them. If they hadn’t, the next voted representives of the people would have repealed them. There’s no “fatal flaw” in that.
Oh, and now my kids are safe to go to school.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/lawre.....776336.htm
This would seem to contradict you hoju saram. There were less mass shootings, but just as many overall gun deaths if I understand it correctly.
Australian: At the end of the day, you’re trading your right to carry an automatic weapon designed to kill human beings with the right [to] have your kids safe from getting their brains blown out in a school classroom.
Safety of children is not a right. It’s a responsibility of parents. It’s not even the responsibility of the state. If you don’t believe me, try to sue an officer for arriving late to an emergency call; such a suit would be thrown out. The reality is that criminals don’t obey “gun free school” laws, so disarming the law abiding only makes it more dangerous for your children.
Compare the Virginia Tech gun massacre with the Appalachian School of Law gun [non)massacre to see the real difference. In the latter, a private citizen saved the day using his gun; in the former, many young people were killed because Tech was a “gun free school”. Restrictive gun laws don’t save the children; they make them more vulnerable.
Why is it that the right ot bear arms carries such a high premium of value when compared to other rights?
Because it is a right that is uniquely helpful for protecting all of the other rights. Mao knew what he was talking about when he said that power flows from the barrel of a gun. He made sure his supporters had a monopoly on guns, because guns are the ultimate political power. If you love and wish to keep your liberty, then don’t give the state a monopoly on gun power.
to live in a functioning, civil society, you must be, to a certain extent, beholden to the will of the represented majority, or, in your own weighted words, “the state”
This equating of the state with the people is a telling summary of the continental philosophy of government that the founders of the United States so consciously opposed as destructive of liberty. To claim that the people and the state are the same is the enslave the people to the state — especially when the state has the monopoly on the gun power.
As Benjamin Franklin stated, “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” I would add, “and will lose both in the end.”
#15 Dogbert, relax dude didn’t say the US is not part of the civilized world, just when it comes to guns there is a need for US citizens to pull their fingers out.
Some people get highly strung at times.
“Restrictive gun laws don’t save the children; they make them more vulnerable.”
If this is true, why do Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and other developed nations with more restrictive gun laws have far lower firearm fatality rates than the United States? I’m not saying that having easy access to handguns is the only factor, but in which country is a child more likely to be shot?
I come from a family of gun owners in Canada and may become one myself down the road. From my experience, outside of occasional episodes of domestic violence and hunting accidents, rural gun owners are an especially responsible bunch. Having said that, I’m not paranoid about the prospect of registering a weapon, any more than I am with having the state being responsible for licensing drivers or requiring people get vaccinations for diseases.
Benjamin Franklin was one of history’s most brilliant men, but one who lived and died in the 18th century. This shouldn’t diminish the value of his ideas and words, but it doesn’t mean his thoughts - assuming they are interpreted accurately - are be completely applicable to the 21st.
@37: I don’t particularly care. You Australians stick to your own issues and stop worrying your tousled blond heads about gun violence in the U.S.
All of this is really irrelevant. If you grew up in LA, fan freaking tastic. But to ignore the fact that it is not worthy of a Roman bathhouse toilet, you are ignorantly blind by choice. Anyone with half a brain and genes worth perpetuating in the human species have made it out of there asap, usually to bastions of civilization called Orange County or perhaps even San Diego. Or maybe if theyre really brave… the REST OF AMERICA.
There is nothing to celebrate in the willingness to keep ones face in the mire of daily apocalyptic violence that is but the only unifying fabric in all of LA.
And dont get cute and technical with the geographical boundaries of LA vs Gardena vs Who knows where. Its all the same septic tank of California.
ironman, you’re basically describing and promoting what has already been taking place in the last 60 years since the end of WW2, the and the creation of racially segregated inner city versus suburbia.
apparently, Americans can’t all get along. But, they pretend to, to the rest of the world, and their favorite past time is calling each other a racist.
Please don’t complain about $4 gas, which is really cheap. Doesn’t Korea pay like $6 to $7?
in NYC, and Chicago, though, there is a movement to move these inner cities to ghetto cities (very, very, very hard to find a white person there), like Gary, Indianna and other similar places.
Because the real estate is too good of a location.
you might find a brave Chinese fast food restaurant owner, who puts in 5 to 10 years, and runs away after making a decent sum.
i think they were planning to empty out upper Manhatten, “redevelop it”, and move them to say, Newark, or something.
You know, that place that is the #1 homicide capital in the USA.
our family pumped gas there on Christmas eve, 2007. Apparently ran out of gas. Dad didn’t know, so he was smoking outside, while he was drunk. I told him to come inside the car.
“America is a country…”
America is not a country; it’s a continent.
Hey WJK,
Are you saying “Newark” is the number 1 homicide capital of the US? I know that Newark is rather large so I am not sure whether or not every part of Newark is as dangerous as you say. I was just wondering b/c it’s been about 8 years since the last time I flew into Newark Airport which didn’t seem all that bad.
I heard that Camden, NJ and Orange are really bad areas. Downtown NYC has cleaned up and so have many parts of Brooklyn following common gentrification. So where exactly are the real “ghettoes” nowadays?
Also, you mentioned “SES” Koreans. Can you explain what tha means?
Thanks,
Nevermind WJK. He exhibits the logical persuasive capacity of a carrot.
He is one of those who blames the people who jump first off a sinking ship of cruelty towards those too stupid to leave.
He is of the moral constitution that does not seek the preponderence of truth or that which is right, rather merely resigning himself to anything relatively better than the worst lowest common denominator. “Dont complain, we pay more.” It is ideological cowardice. It is foundationally absurd to be porked by high priced necessary commodities like food and fuel. WJK is the type of fellow who will gladly pay it as long as there exsist some poorer sap under the sun unwittingly paying more than he. It is this kind of thinking that rules out the possibility of revolution or rather emancipation of his nation from corrupt statism.
SES is social economic status.
iron, do you know how much less fuel the world would use, if Americans drove less?
the world, man. The world.
iron, if all the Chinese started driving to work, it is a matter of time, before the earth’s environment goes into chaos. Tick, tick, tick…
Ride the subway 2 or 3? To East New York, past Utica. Tell me what you think.
Walk along 125th street from East to West. If that feels alright, try all the side streets.
You might see some odd things like the Harlem Little League world series banner, but the general scene is,
Is this really America?
Aren’t you aware that the west side of upper Manhatten is about to be cleaned up by Columbia University’s expansion?
the locals are complaining about the disappearance of affordable housing, affordable groceries, etc.
they want rent control.
I think rent control is what destroyed some parts of manhatten, except for where those white liberals live, near Greenwich.
newark is a ghetto. I think nobody uses the city except for some public facilities, like the hospital, the stadium, and the airport.
There are still businesses in downtown Newark, at Gateway Center, for example.
@wjk: Good to hear the Columbia U’s expansion will clean things up. Didn’t you hear about the Chinese Columbia student who was attacked and chased into traffic at 125th and Broadway (where he was struck by a vehicle and killed) by a 17-year-old black kid?
49: “America is not a country. It’s a continent.”
This is exactly the type of thinking that indicates how expansionist the US of A still is. Not too many Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, Cubans, Dominican Rebuplicans, etc. will call themselves “Americans” just because their continent bears the name… I challenge you and every other citizen of the USA to please supply the rest of us with an adjective better suited to your taste, since “United Statesian” doesn’t really roll of the tongue as easily as “American” or “Yankee.”
“Super Coolians” will do.
With a little anagram fun, could I just refer to you as my Parole Cousins?
i was in newark a couple of years ago and it seemed drastically improved from the eighties and nineties during the crack epidemic. at that time, you didn’t stop for gas in the city. in fact, it was SOP at the time to go through red lights if anyone who looked cracked up started to cross the street towards your car. this is not the case anymore.
dogbert - As a (predominately) Caucasian Australian with Aboriginal ancestry, your snide, ignorant, little back-hand comment greatly offended on two levels.
The mark of a man is to admit when he errs. You say something that greatly offended someone, then you can’t even find in you to apologize, plead ignorance or re-cant the original comment. Instead, you brush it off.
Shame on you.
WJK, I never accepted you as a true conservative and i now see why. You were never grounded in the idelogical grounding of original liberalism that makes a conservative tick.
It’s actually two continents.
“With a little anagram fun, could I just refer to you as my Parole Cousins?”
Only those from the east coast.