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	<title>Comments on: Michael White Story in Korea Times, Korea Herald</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Koehler</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-155401</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Koehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;both the US and ROK are nations found on democratic beliefs and free speech is guaranteed on both.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, they are. So are property rights, which means I don't have to allow your comments to be posted if I don't like them.

BTW, Pawi, next time you try to beat the ban, at least try to appear like a separate commenter. Capitalization would be a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>both the US and ROK are nations found on democratic beliefs and free speech is guaranteed on both.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, they are. So are property rights, which means I don&#8217;t have to allow your comments to be posted if I don&#8217;t like them.</p>
<p>BTW, Pawi, next time you try to beat the ban, at least try to appear like a separate commenter. Capitalization would be a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: waygookbulgogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-155397</link>
		<dc:creator>waygookbulgogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for some reason, my posts are either not posted or deleted. what kind of bs is that? both the US and ROK are nations found on democratic beliefs and free speech is guaranteed on both. did i insult michael or his mother? no i did not. i just had a different perspective on this matter and you all just don't want to face it. what a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for some reason, my posts are either not posted or deleted. what kind of bs is that? both the US and ROK are nations found on democratic beliefs and free speech is guaranteed on both. did i insult michael or his mother? no i did not. i just had a different perspective on this matter and you all just don&#8217;t want to face it. what a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyopo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyopo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"He (Lee Jeong-seop, the manager of the sauna) said that as Michael was over six feet tall and weighed more than 100 kilograms, no one assumed he was a child in need of help but an ADULT KIDDING AROUND."

It's a part of the text published in the korea times:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_24608.html

Please... Put that phrase in any newspaper of any country around the world and think if you could digest that. I feel insulted (I'm not talking about the Korea Times, but about the belief of the person who said it, that other people would just read his phrase and say "oh, now I understand"...). I have been to a sauna once and saw a young woman fainting and being helped right away  by the ladies around her. I'd be very disappointed with Korea, which I think is a great country, full of incredibly energetic good people, but with a very complicated history and social issues, if nothing was done, by the Korean community or media (at least published in Korean, for respect), regarding this problem. Just don't turn it to an invisible incident. This is not about judging who is good or evil, but yes, it is a time to say "I'm sorry for knowing what could happen", if I FEEL sorry (because it's ME) and I KNOW it could, and before you say sorry, you should admit that something to be very sorry about has happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He (Lee Jeong-seop, the manager of the sauna) said that as Michael was over six feet tall and weighed more than 100 kilograms, no one assumed he was a child in need of help but an ADULT KIDDING AROUND.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a part of the text published in the korea times:<br />
<a href="http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_24608.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww.....24608.html</a></p>
<p>Please&#8230; Put that phrase in any newspaper of any country around the world and think if you could digest that. I feel insulted (I&#8217;m not talking about the Korea Times, but about the belief of the person who said it, that other people would just read his phrase and say &#8220;oh, now I understand&#8221;&#8230;). I have been to a sauna once and saw a young woman fainting and being helped right away  by the ladies around her. I&#8217;d be very disappointed with Korea, which I think is a great country, full of incredibly energetic good people, but with a very complicated history and social issues, if nothing was done, by the Korean community or media (at least published in Korean, for respect), regarding this problem. Just don&#8217;t turn it to an invisible incident. This is not about judging who is good or evil, but yes, it is a time to say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry for knowing what could happen&#8221;, if I FEEL sorry (because it&#8217;s ME) and I KNOW it could, and before you say sorry, you should admit that something to be very sorry about has happened.</p>
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		<title>By: HMM</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-155148</link>
		<dc:creator>HMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mother lost his boy. I'm Korean myself, and whether it was the incompetence of the paramedics, or sauna attendant, this is no place to play blame games. 
Just because one Korean was incompetent, that doesn't make all of us a moron. 

This could have happened anywhere in the world, and fact remains ,a mother lost his boy. My deepest condolecence. 

May Mike rest in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mother lost his boy. I&#8217;m Korean myself, and whether it was the incompetence of the paramedics, or sauna attendant, this is no place to play blame games.<br />
Just because one Korean was incompetent, that doesn&#8217;t make all of us a moron. </p>
<p>This could have happened anywhere in the world, and fact remains ,a mother lost his boy. My deepest condolecence. </p>
<p>May Mike rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Linkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 08:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they're allowed, we'll get them.  It might have to wait until the next budget period, as we'll need multiple units to cover our area, but we'll get them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;re allowed, we&#8217;ll get them.  It might have to wait until the next budget period, as we&#8217;ll need multiple units to cover our area, but we&#8217;ll get them.</p>
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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-154724</link>
		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AEDs are amazingly useful.  Because of that time-delay/survival factor, on-site responses either by an average person or trained average person (most CPR programs in U.S. also accompanies training in AED usage) is critical.  Actually...

What is the argument against making AED public-accessible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AEDs are amazingly useful.  Because of that time-delay/survival factor, on-site responses either by an average person or trained average person (most CPR programs in U.S. also accompanies training in AED usage) is critical.  Actually&#8230;</p>
<p>What is the argument against making AED public-accessible?</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Marivosa</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-154720</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Marivosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"there is a way to make your points without making the most odious poster look like the reasonable person that he isn’t)."
And Obamafan, you can make your points without comparing a poster to Robert Mugabe, thereby making the poster look reasonable in comparison to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is a way to make your points without making the most odious poster look like the reasonable person that he isn’t).&#8221;<br />
And Obamafan, you can make your points without comparing a poster to Robert Mugabe, thereby making the poster look reasonable in comparison to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Maharlika</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-154712</link>
		<dc:creator>Maharlika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 05:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 43

Mrs. LinkD

I asked around and facilities like COEX are indeed not included in the said amendment. I will clarify whether having AEDs in places like COEX is not mandatory or not authorized at all.

Seems like the amendment is not really about public access defibrillation after all. In the US, as you may already know, laymen are authorized to operate AEDs and the USFDA requires that AEDs meant for public access should be designed such that even untrained laymen are able to operate them. The same is also true in Japan where AEDs are placed in public places like malls and laymen are authorized to use them.

I think that this is where lobby groups could come in. More data should be provided so that the amendment could be amended.

As you may already know, for sudden cardiac arrest (due to ventricular fibrillation), the chance of a victim's survival decreases by 10% for every minute that shock delivery is delayed. So the question is, for public places not covered by the amendment, can the emergency medical services in Korea respond to a sudden cardiac arrest in less than 10 minutes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 43</p>
<p>Mrs. LinkD</p>
<p>I asked around and facilities like COEX are indeed not included in the said amendment. I will clarify whether having AEDs in places like COEX is not mandatory or not authorized at all.</p>
<p>Seems like the amendment is not really about public access defibrillation after all. In the US, as you may already know, laymen are authorized to operate AEDs and the USFDA requires that AEDs meant for public access should be designed such that even untrained laymen are able to operate them. The same is also true in Japan where AEDs are placed in public places like malls and laymen are authorized to use them.</p>
<p>I think that this is where lobby groups could come in. More data should be provided so that the amendment could be amended.</p>
<p>As you may already know, for sudden cardiac arrest (due to ventricular fibrillation), the chance of a victim&#8217;s survival decreases by 10% for every minute that shock delivery is delayed. So the question is, for public places not covered by the amendment, can the emergency medical services in Korea respond to a sudden cardiac arrest in less than 10 minutes?</p>
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		<title>By: Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mrs. white.  my heart goes out to you.  I know far too well how incompetent the medical staff and police can be.  Stay strong and do not stop fighting for justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mrs. white.  my heart goes out to you.  I know far too well how incompetent the medical staff and police can be.  Stay strong and do not stop fighting for justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Pawi's conscience</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/17/michael-white-story-in-korea-times-korea-herald/#comment-154694</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawi's conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Often a person’s good and bad qualities are two sides of the same coin, and one cannot co-exist without the other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sonagi, I don't think that describes Pawi. I think the boa constrictor of his hatred is suffocating the opossum of his better nature. 

Obamafan, you are comparing Pawi with murderers. In your head is Pawi really that bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Often a person’s good and bad qualities are two sides of the same coin, and one cannot co-exist without the other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sonagi, I don&#8217;t think that describes Pawi. I think the boa constrictor of his hatred is suffocating the opossum of his better nature. </p>
<p>Obamafan, you are comparing Pawi with murderers. In your head is Pawi really that bad?</p>
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