Comments on: Koreans Going the way of Polar Bears http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/ Korea... in Blog Format Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:53:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: judge judy http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154105 judge judy Fri, 16 May 2008 00:16:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154105 from the report: <blockquote>The process is far from complete. The sex ratio at birth in South Korea is still very high. There is continuing strength in beliefs that one must fulfill one’s filial duty to continue the (male) family line. Even in 2003, women continue to report significantly higher son preference — controlling for a range of other characteristics — if their husband was the only son of his parents, and therefore the only source of male descendants. Reduction in the manifestation of son preference has also been slowed down by fertility decline, as evidenced by the increasing efforts of women to manipulate the sex ratio of their second and higher births if they have not already borne a son.</blockquote> from the report:

The process is far from complete. The sex ratio at birth in South Korea is still very high. There is
continuing strength in beliefs that one must fulfill one’s filial duty to continue the (male) family
line. Even in 2003, women continue to report significantly higher son preference — controlling
for a range of other characteristics — if their husband was the only son of his parents, and
therefore the only source of male descendants. Reduction in the manifestation of son preference
has also been slowed down by fertility decline, as evidenced by the increasing efforts of women
to manipulate the sex ratio of their second and higher births if they have not already borne a son.

]]> By: judge judy http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154099 judge judy Fri, 16 May 2008 00:08:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154099 forget about both of the papers-that's not where the data is. go to the report and look at their methodology and conclusions if you're really interested in this. forget about both of the papers-that’s not where the data is. go to the report and look at their methodology and conclusions if you’re really interested in this.

]]> By: Linkd http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154096 Linkd Fri, 16 May 2008 00:03:34 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154096 ah, Sonagi's been reading the Times already. Forget Joongang, then. ah, Sonagi’s been reading the Times already. Forget Joongang, then.

]]> By: Linkd http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154095 Linkd Fri, 16 May 2008 00:01:56 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154095 to judge judy: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889434 to judge judy:

http://joongangdaily.joins.com.....id=2889434

]]> By: judge judy http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154093 judge judy Thu, 15 May 2008 23:52:53 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154093 here's the link to the <a href="http://www-wds.worldbank.org/external/default/WDSContentServer/IW3P/IB/2007/10/09/000158349_20071009133451/Rendered/PDF/wps4373.pdf" rel="nofollow">actual report.</A> it does indeed look like a decrease with less beta from 98-05. as for the "trend in intensity of son preference", there appears to be correlation. however, i'll be much more interested to see the korean national stats from 2006-2010 as well as the 2010 census to see actual sex ratios. here’s the link to the actual report. it does indeed look like a decrease with less beta from 98-05. as for the “trend in intensity of son preference”, there appears to be correlation. however, i’ll be much more interested to see the korean national stats from 2006-2010 as well as the 2010 census to see actual sex ratios.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154081 Sonagi Thu, 15 May 2008 23:21:10 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154081 How about the New York Times: <i>"According to a study released by the World Bank in October, South Korea is the first of several Asian countries with large sex imbalances at birth to reverse the trend, moving toward greater parity between the sexes. Last year, the ratio was 107.4 boys born for every 100 girls, still above what is considered normal, but down from a peak of 116.5 boys born for every 100 girls in 1990. "</i> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/world/asia/23skorea.html?_r=1&oref=slogin The article by Choe San-hun also appeared in the IHT. How about the New York Times:

“According to a study released by the World Bank in October, South Korea is the first of several Asian countries with large sex imbalances at birth to reverse the trend, moving toward greater parity between the sexes. Last year, the ratio was 107.4 boys born for every 100 girls, still above what is considered normal, but down from a peak of 116.5 boys born for every 100 girls in 1990. “

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=slogin

The article by Choe San-hun also appeared in the IHT.

]]> By: judge judy http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-154078 judge judy Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:27 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-154078 <blockquote>The preference for male children appears to have subsided, at least at the level of the first child born. Sex-selective abortions no longer are producing the skewed gender ratios that prevailed as recently as 1995. These days it’s pretty well normal.</blockquote> i'd like to see sources for that. i had just come across some recent research noting that the preference for boy babies in asian american families mirrors the preference in asia, which is pretty interesting. china's currently at about 120:100. what is it in the respective koreas? where could i find reputable sources?

The preference for male children appears to have subsided, at least at the level of the first child born. Sex-selective abortions no longer are producing the skewed gender ratios that prevailed as recently as 1995. These days it’s pretty well normal.

i’d like to see sources for that. i had just come across some recent research noting that the preference for boy babies in asian american families mirrors the preference in asia, which is pretty interesting. china’s currently at about 120:100. what is it in the respective koreas? where could i find reputable sources?

]]> By: Granfalloon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-153980 Granfalloon Thu, 15 May 2008 09:29:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-153980 Brendon: I haven't seen anything about a leveling off, but alot of my info is a little old. Thanks for the tip, and I hope you are correct. Brendon:
I haven’t seen anything about a leveling off, but alot of my info is a little old. Thanks for the tip, and I hope you are correct.

]]> By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-153961 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) Thu, 15 May 2008 06:51:40 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-153961 <blockquote>Aside from the number of male Koreans pissed off because they can’t find a Korean girl (and subsequently all the more pissed at me because I can), will a preference for girls result in a downward spiraling birthrate? Or will it just increase the number of imported brides?</blockquote> <b>Granfalloon</b> -- The preference for male children appears to have subsided, at least at the level of the first child born. Sex-selective abortions no longer are producing the skewed gender ratios that prevailed as recently as 1995. These days it's pretty well normal. I've done my part -- two girls.

Aside from the number of male Koreans pissed off because they can’t find a Korean girl (and subsequently all the more pissed at me because I can), will a preference for girls result in a downward spiraling birthrate? Or will it just increase the number of imported brides?

Granfalloon — The preference for male children appears to have subsided, at least at the level of the first child born. Sex-selective abortions no longer are producing the skewed gender ratios that prevailed as recently as 1995. These days it’s pretty well normal.

I’ve done my part — two girls.

]]> By: Saxiif http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/15/koreans-going-the-way-of-polar-bears/#comment-153941 Saxiif Thu, 15 May 2008 05:22:10 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=6597#comment-153941 dogbert: most people aren't arguing that a birthrate of 3 or more is good, just that it's better to have a birthrate that is a slightly below replacement level rather than a birthday that is WAY WAY below replacement level. Personally I'd like a birthrate of 1.8-1.9 or so for the foreseeable future. dogbert: most people aren’t arguing that a birthrate of 3 or more is good, just that it’s better to have a birthrate that is a slightly below replacement level rather than a birthday that is WAY WAY below replacement level.

Personally I’d like a birthrate of 1.8-1.9 or so for the foreseeable future.

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