So, This is Probably Why English Teachers Shouldn’t Post Photos of Themselves with Club Chicks

’some netizens pointed out that the posting of the photos amounted to a violation of privacy…..’

how did the pics find their way on the net? did the expat post them himself? if you post your picture online, how can you expect privacy?

To the English Teachers: Go out, have fun, sample the local talent. Be discrete and post PG pictures only.

To Korean Netizens: Get a life. Don’t hate on guys getting their freak on. Go out and get it yourself. Besides, isn’t there some Chinese netizen claiming Koguryo or some Japanese netizen claiming Dokdo?

I don’t see the problem with this photo, or what it has to do with Korea or sexuality. It’s some people having fun in a club. If you don’t approve, don’t go.

And the nutizens are off. Crackling Korea.TM

Koreans want to hire more qualified English teachers who don’t raid and pilfer their women. Eunuchs perhaps?

The angry netizen response to a western guy with Korean women is pretty ironic considering the much larger number of Korean men who import women from abroad. They’re both racist and sexist. It’s not like the guy was engaged in a sex act either – it’s a posed, funny picture, that’s all.

# 8,

Well now he knows. Koreans aren’t going to accept foreigners (possibly teaching English to their elementary or middle school aged kids) carousing with their young ladies overnight. Every society has their norms that need to be respected if you choose to live or work there.

If you post pictures on your home page without privacy controls, just assume you are emailing it to your boss.

Like this:

http://www.hereinreality.com/chung.htm

#2 comment on Internet newspaper Dalian.

“성인끼리 클럽가서 논게 큰잘못인지 묻고싶다.클럽가면 외국인만 저러고 노나? 한국인도 다 똑같이 저러고 논다……사진속의 행위가 성추행처럼 보이는가? 한국클럽과 룸등지에서 아주아주 보편적이고 일상적인 일임을 잊지마라”

saying “what’s wrong with picture? How we Korean having fun time in a club or room salon?”

period!.

“Eunuchs perhaps?” That’d do.

If we would all obligingly live in one neighbourhood and only debauch each-other, netizen’d probably get off our case, too.

In the best of all possible worlds, maybe we could just commute back to our home countries every night after work and on weekends: then we’d be out of their hair for sure! My six-year-old students seemed to think I did this: they were shocked when they spotted Korean money in my wallet. “Teacher! You have Korean money?” As if I ought to have Canuck Bucks instead.

I’m with all you who who say, “Don’t post that shit online, dumbass,” and don’t forget to remove the tags on facebook.

By the way, anybody else notice the Korea Herald trying to compare English teachers to the 21 Pedophiles banned from entering Korea?

“Every society has their norms that need to be respected if you choose to live or work there.”

In Korea, going to work during the day and dancing with women at night IS the norm. (Sometimes with the boss, on the company tab.)

You are talking about two sets of norms: one for Koreans and one for foreigners.

In other words, Koreans hold foreigners to a higher standard than they hold themselves.

Are you stating this?

Or you are engaging in (racially-charged) hypocrisy by telling foreigners to do as Koreans say and not as they do?

Just another reason why netizens need to be gassed, curb stomped or incinerated out of existence.

#22: Good point, Robert. If it had been any kind of civil servant the media would have had a field day.
As for the privacy issue: the teacher can’t complain, but the girls in the picture perhaps have a right to complain about him for posting the picture. Then again, everything goes onto the internet now as a matter of course, it seems, and they should have known it. They’re probably in deeper doo-doo now with xenophobic oppas etc than he is.

This is just typical of the male population wanting to protect their ‘pure’ and ‘untouched’ female population. The local women must be innocent and most certainly don’t have any libido because that would be dirty. Sleeping with a foreign man is nothing short of treason and effectively makes the woman untouchable from then on.

This attitude is well documented in many countries and is most prevalent in countries that have been occupied by a foreign military or have foreign military bases. In my country, women who were associated with U.S. military personnel, be it yesterday or 40 years ago, still bear a stigma and are called “yankee whores” behind their backs.

I fail to see how having fun on your own time equals being a terrible teacher. If a teacher chooses to have sex with three women at the same time after a night of drinking at a nightclub on a Friday night, what does that have to do with the quality of their teaching on Monday morning?

Anyhow, the Korean government is not helping anything by lowering the already low standards for hiring of E2 visa teachers. Now it’s not even necessary to have a degree – all you need is a heartbeat and youthful looks.

the one girls face is under the others girls ass!!!!

this man needs to be recognized for an award not criticized by the insane netziens

What about the “Two-Faced Lives of Koreans”???? Koreans are pressured to marry, then somehow find it acceptable to play with women in business clubs, fondle hired women and men in 노래방, and visit the pink streets. Also, there are lots of businesses catering to gay Koreans, who may or may not be married. So I really hate hearing about how two-faced foreigners are when Koreans have secret double lives as well. Wake up and look in the mirror, Korea.

So the Korean media wants to take a dig at foreigners. THIS is the best they can come up with. If I wanted to take at dig at Koreans in the West I could mention:
All the illegal immigrants,
All the sex workers,
Students plagarising to obtain degrees,
But I’m a nice person so I won’t.

The dude rocks. I recently stumbled on a photo of myself with three “Be the Reds”-clad chicas from 2002 in a similarly well-lubricated, exuberant pose. I wonder if the nutizens would like that one–the obvious patriotism angle might cause them to blow a gasket in contemplation of how to react.

“Maybe soon part of the e2 visa will be the chastity clause”

My first employer told me that women were not, under any circumstances, allowed into my apartment.

I didn’t listen very well.

This is getting so old even the nutizens are bored with it. We need somebody to step up and do something worth mentioning.

Ok…not really.

its rather stupid to call it a double life
or two-face because it doesnt apply to this at all
just some people out partying and it is similar to the girls from english spectrum who were also gladly posing for the camera that night in hongdae
because they were enjoying themselves
korean boys get over it and go buy a camera

it’s interesting how the expat posse is quick to relieve their fellow expat of any responsibility for the situation unfolding. he posts racy pictures of himself and then gets up in the morning to go and teach children on how to become responsible adults. sorry, but he should have known better. he deserves what he gets.

now, to those who say what he does on his own time is his business, well, i agree. but you can’t expect korea to be that way when the premier democracy of the world ain’t that way either. you can lose your job here for things you do in your private life. indeed, a young professional lady i know lost here job just recently for having a liberal attitude towards drugs so stated on her myspace page. the co. that fired her said that that did not mesh with their values so they let her go.

you need to be careful what you put on the net under your own name. you need to be careful about the pictures you post and what you write.

don’t believe me? ask gerry. he knows all bout that, don’t ya, ger?

One wonders if, just perhaps, Korean guys tried to be a bit less gay than the guys on TV, acted a bit more chivalrous (look it up before commenting), and generally tried to elevate the women instead of treating them like so many “human resources… if they actually acted like they wanted the women themselves instead of being jealous @$$hats… One wonders if the problem might not just go away…

When you have ANY group of people in an oppressive situation, they are going to express themselves in any way they can… And if they are creatively and actively courted by waygooks, Korean women are going to prefer that to the guys who put ‘em in glass storefronts, barbershops, room salons, and who, after marriage, beat them, leave ‘em home alone, make ‘em work and do all of the housework, take their children in a divorce, and worse…

I mean, it’s not rocket science here folks…

old story, the kids need a new angle

hey there pawi. its me. the one you talk about all the time.

JTB: play nice.

not all Korean men are like that. just enough to chase those sweet honeys into my arms.

and that’s enough for me.

“Korean women are going to prefer that to the guys who put ‘em in glass storefronts, barbershops, room salons, and who, after marriage, beat them, leave ‘em home alone, make ‘em work and do all of the housework, take their children in a divorce, and worse…”

That’s a pretty fucked up assessment. Not surprising, considering the escalating waves of ‘fuck Korean males’ sentiment in this thread, but at least try to be somewhat reasonable? No? Not possible? Ugh…

“Granted, there are other issues at play here, but if a Korean elementary school teacher posted photos like that and netizens found them, it would also make the news — and probably bigger news outlets than Dailian.”

Excellent point. This has more to do with elevated standard of ‘morality’ on teachers who deal with kids rather than ‘what the fuck? that whitie just slept with OUR women!’ sentiment (not that the latter isn’t involved in this issue). And on that note, it really is a difference of culture – maybe some people hold teachers to higher standard than others.

Criminy! If every black person in the U.S. took such offense any time anybody made a racist (or in this case just gereralizing and stupid) comment on the internet, their heads would explode!

Wherever you are, wherever you go, people will have a problem with what you are doing. Its the way of the world.

You can live your life in Korea basing your feelings on some stupid netziens, and assuming everybody is out to get you, or you can just live. Most people here like you- at least as much as back home where people aren’t always so kind either.

Fuck it, who cares?!?!

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes,teachers are held to higher standards and we as teachers should be careful how we present ourselves in public.
However, I do not condone a witch hunt on this guy.
There was nothing illegal going on- no nudity, no sexual assault. The problems are with the assumptions of the nutizens who, with no proof, automatically believe that something sinister was going down in the context of this picture.
Korea has double standards, yes. Most here actually see nothing wrong with holding strong on hypocrisy where Korean men can go around like intoxicated cads about town while they demand that every male foreign teacher behave as if he were a eunuch.
It all comes down to the Ostrich Syndrome- if they don’t see it or don’t talk about it, it doesn’t exist. That’s how they can pretend that they have such high moral standards- BECAUSE THEY DON’T TALK ABOUT IT AND PRETEND THE ISSUE DOESN’T EXIST!
When they get “proof” in pictures like this that a foreigner is up to no good that is their evidence that we are of low moral character.
To the hypocrite, it’s not that they behave better in private, it’s just that they don’t talk about it and pretend it doesn’t happen.
Basically, that’s where the “when in Rome” comes in.
For us foreigners, when in Korea, don’t talk about it, pretend as if it doesn’t exist, and certainly don’t openly post what could be perceived as questionable pictures on the net.

I’m guessing that all of you with Myspace or Facebook accounts are setting your picture files to private. I certainly have!

Hasn’t the waiguk guy/Hanguk girl been through the grinder since the first GI landed in Korea? Make it simple: Korean guys and girls want only their kind to eat Hanwu.

Some K-girls do like to try the imported stuff. We all know it’s diseased.

Whatever happen to Hines Ward and understanding of other cultures?

Here’s a real question about ex-pats in Korea: Why do we have a knee-jerk reaction when the ‘netizens’ rise up and bitch? Who cares? Here’s a country where a guy can whack his old lady late at night and 95% of the people will pretend not to see it. Who cares?

Has anybody been truly physically hurt by Koreans here on this forum ? Or is it the same oversensitive whine we ex-pats make when we feel our image is being dragged through the mud?

Here’s some reality: the majority of Koreans don’t trust us and are more-than-willing to believe the worst about you, the foreigner, in a blink of an eye. Not all Koreans…most. I can’t tell you how many guys at work think I’m having sex with a different girl every other day. I keep telling them that after I had caught syphilis for the fifth time, there’s no way I’m sluttin’ around.

Meanwhile, Korean men ARE STILL putting Korean women in glass storefronts, barbershops, room salons. They do, after marriage, beat them, leave ‘em home alone while they go out whoring, make ‘em work outside the home, make them responsible for all of the housework, take their children in the case of a divorce, and worse…

I could name names. These are not just “taxi drivers”, “farmers”, or the chronically unemployed. These whoremongers and worse are the guys who get the company car, the reserved parking spot at the office, and even higher.

Cream of the crop, so to speak.

And yet, the best pawi, the bum, and a few others can say is “[foreign] teachers need to be held to a higher standard” and I shouldn’t be allowed to pollute the gene…

So sorry. Maybe it’s really the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton who made the Koreans such misogynistic twits. Or maybe the waygook English teachers who build the brothels behind every bus and train station?

Yeah. Right.

People who keep nude women in glass storefronts shouldn’t throw stones…

… or try to defend illegitimi…

I’m tempted to leak pictures of my very sexy wife and I in a drunken embrace in order to sue the reporters who jump to conclusions.

so I take it Korea is a country where you can’t get money or get laid? Not sure if that is very good marketing for any country.

Physically harmed? Yes, actually, I was.
During the last ‘English Rectum’ scandal, those of you not FOB will remember, there were stronger, more aggravated sentiments whipped up by the Korean media against teachers and foreigners in general. During the peak of this period, I was physically assaulted on the street in Hongdae. Granted, there have always been fisticuffs in this area, even racially motivated ones, but I am a quiet, mild mannered type who has avoided trouble of any stripe for the last 13 years, and here I was attacked while basically minding my own business. Who to blame? Draw your own conclusions, but I blame the inflammatory videos, not the nutjobs who watch them. At this same time, there were calls by the nutizens to meet in Hongdae and seek out foreigners for drubbings, but to the best of my knowledge these ‘flash mobs’ failed to materialize. But there was still enough resident hostility seething in the random Korean to have led to my attack, I feel.

I guess my point is rather ‘unpointed’, but my personal feeling is that there is a continuum of racial violence, and though history and the media point to incidents as important indicators, there is at all times a fluctuating meter of hatred of the ‘other’ or ‘alien’ in all societies.

Phew! Nervous moment there reading the headline.

The thing is that who criticize these American/Canadian morons in Korea is also against these kind of crimes committed by Koreans, nightclubs, whorehouse, bars etc… Talk about typical excuse of honkies.

jtb-in-texas, how do you know there is no outrage over crimes against women by Korean men in Korea? I see articles all the time about Vietnamese women wed to Korean farmers needing more support from the government in the Korean press. That’s just an example.

I object to the photo not because it makes the expat looks bad (this reputation is well deserved), but because it makes Korean women look like desperate groupies of white males.

BTW, there’s few things worse than a patronizing, imposing, dividing prick. I’d rather hear about feminist issues from women living in Korea, as opposed to some guy with a pic of Ronald Reagan as his avatar.

From the perspective of a teacher who formerly taught in Canada, I would never have posted such a picture of myself (or one of me smoking a joint, dropping my pants, doing a beer bong, etc.) regardless of whether it happened to have been taken on the weekend, two years earlier, etc. It may not be fair, but people who happen to see it – principals, coworkers, students, parents, etc – are likely to come away with a changed opinion about you, regardless of the context surrounding the picture. I reckon that most Korean and foreign teachers have some appreciation for this, though some of the latter may be too young, naive and/or foolish to grasp it as well as others.

To be fair, as long as you are not a total idiot – and ideally if there are other teachers present – in Korea you can drink among university students, many of whom might be your own students. In fact, sometimes it is encouraged. In contrast, I remember walking into an Irish pub in Canada one evening with another teacher, seeing a few students – drinking underage – from the school we worked at, and deciding it best to turn around and get a beer somewhere else. Not worth the hassle of hearing, “Hey, weren’t you getting drunk in Maguire’s last night?” in the hallway.

And, screw what Korean netizens think about this. These “stories” don’t seem to attract the attention they once did, and I’m sure this one will be forgotten shortly.

“while you defend the glasshouses and the spousal abuse by claiming falsely that there’s a higher moral standard in Korea.”

*bangs head against a wall* Higher. Moral. EXPECTATIONS. FOR. TEACHERS. Are you reading at a fourth grade level?

“you know there is no outrage over crimes against women by KOREAN men in Korea. There’s little enough outrage against Korean men (including teachers and government officials) who rape children.”

Are you kidding me? First of all, it’s not even about gender at the moment, it’s about the profession as an educator. Second of all, if a Korean male teacher had a photo like that one above going around the net, he would have been severely scrutinized if not sacked immediately before you can even say “PTA”.

It’s all about Korean men (from Korea) and their insecurities. Nothing more, nothing less.

How do we know this wasn’t some joke anyway?

“the local’s high ‘moral’ expectations of the educators”

Sorry, but when you’ve got popular sitcoms and movies that revolve around a male teacher and one of his high school students hooking up, I find that argument pretty weak.

“It’s all about Korean men (from Korea) and their insecurities. Nothing more, nothing less.”

Reading some of the netizen comments, I had the impression that at least half the criticisms came from Korean women themselves.

Only made it down to around comment #50

Is #22 and 23 true?

Has Korean society changed that much since I left?

I had to honestly go back and look at the picture again when I got down to that comment.

If some 20 or 30 something year old elementary school teacher posted a photo of himself exactly like that, he’d become newsworthy to the Chosun Ilbo and so on?

I have to believe if I could someone how scout the Korean net for images of school teachers in that age group (and into their 40s), I could find some images worse than that.

I’m teaching in US public schools now, and if I heard of an elementary school teacher in the US getting in trouble for that picture posted on his facebook account, I’d have to start thinking maybe it was due to the fact the women were Asian — because I can’t see how that photo on that linked-to page is disturbing.

And judging by comments over the years on the expat K-blogsphere concerning juicy girls and room salons and other things, I’m somewhat of a prude by even expat standards.

Well, after reading up a little and seeing this at comment #82:

“Sorry Bum, but they do. About 5 years ago, I was invited by my KOREAN teacher friend to go to a room salon with him. His friend managed one whatever that meant. It was all “top secret” though.”

I’m not so sure there is a mega different standard for Korean male teachers and the rest of the population.

I taught a fair number of teachers (male and female) over the years in Korea, and I knew Korean teachers were looked up to, but judging by conversations with them, and times as a group in the frequent hakwon-nighttime-socialization trips out, and on seeing and hearing about the typical Korean male night on the town, I’d still be surprised to know Korean male teachers would be page 8 news in the Chosun Ilbo over an image like that.

“Agreed. The poor guy gets what he deserves…maybe.”

Eh… I don’t want to judge on this issue (not when I live in close proximity to downtown Tempe ) . I was just commenting on the motivation behind the netizen reaction.

why awaiting moderation?

that’s a pretty benign pic of a few people hamming it up. whether this guy is a teacher or not doesn’t even factor into the equation. i recommend further research to find naughtier pics.

“if a Korean male teacher had a photo like that one above going around the net, he would have been severely scrutinized if not sacked immediately before you can even say “PTA”.”

Bull. Korean teachers have been caught molesting their own underage students and have only been transferred to different schools. So, it’s immoral for a white guy to dance in a nightclub with Korean girls? Your attitude sounds like Berlin in the 1930’s.

Bigger than The Beatles

love it. in fact, i’d throw in a few dollars to have postcards printed and distributed for free. it could be andre the giant’s posse for today’s generation.

Oh, Oh, I made a big mistake

http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....hool-1.jpg

I object to the photo not because it makes the expat looks bad (this reputation is well deserved), but because it makes Korean women look like desperate groupies of white males.

By your logic, why would the latter not be well deserved either? One coud easily argue that many are by simply makinng a trip to Itaewon or Hongdae. It would make more sense to argue that both are deserved or neither deserved.

On that point, reputations turn into stereotypes, and stereotypes foster prejudice, which in turn leads to discrimination. So neither should be deserved. I am pissed at whoever posted this picture online (there is the possibility a freind took the picture and posted it) because it perpetuates both stereotypes. Neither of which I enjoy being associated with me or my wife.

‘Even if it wasn’t the prime motivator, the fact that it is a motivator invalidates any and all other arguments.’

to whom? you and a bunch of expats? lol!

Since the early ’90s, “Netizen Kim” has been working through his angst about White man/Asian woman couples on the Internet, while celebrating his own lust for non-Asian women. One would be hardpressed to find a bigger hypocrite than that konfused kyopo.

@107, you aren’t any better than netizen kim. Sorry to burst your bubble.

These are Korean Ivy League candidates on a tour season, but the photographer
makes it seem like they go to the City College!

http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....G_3224.jpg

@101

that naughty, naughty girl slouching in her chair in the classroom. surely, that is not appropriate at all. we need more pictures of her to find out what is behind this. more research, by god, more research!!!

“I’m not arguing that the ‘moral’ standards employed are correct, or that it is valid. I’m saying that it exists, and it is the cause of the responses seen here. ”

I’m saying that the ‘moral’ standard DOESN’T exist in Korea. I’m saying that it’s a nice idea, but it isn’t supported by reality. I’m saying that young males in Korea encourage each other to do things like that all the time. I’m saying that there are students on campus right outside my building doing the same thing RIGHT NOW (it’s festival week). I’m saying that dancing in a club isn’t illegal or immoral. I’m saying that posting that photo as evidence of moral decay or anything other than “this guy went to a nightclub” just like millions of Koreans do is fallacious.

@MrMao
Yeah, I’m talking about moral expectations towards educators, not Korean males at large. Students on your campus hardly qualifies as ‘educators’, now do they?

Students on my campus, by the way, often work as tutors or in hagwons. You don’t see them acting any more concerned for their reputations. They do just as many soju jello-shots as anyone else. Could that be because they feel comfortable in their own country? Wouldn’t it be nice if Koreans let foreigners feel the same way here?

The same Korean media that is going after this guy, by the way, is the same media is constantly telling people that foreigners in hagwons and public schools aren’t “real teachers” as are, I’m sure, that guy’s Korean co-workers. Maybe he’s taking it to heart. You wouldn’t be happy with him unless he was, I don’t know, dressed in a three-piece suit sipping a cup of tea with his pinky extended. Basically, you have a visceral reaction to physical interaction between Korean women and outside kingdom people.

I see no evidence the picture has anything to do with Korea or that the guy is an English teacher.

This could be a tourist in Singapore, a bartender in Hong Kong or a frat boy in Los Angeles.

It COULD well be a hagwon teacher in Korea, but shouldn’t the media in Korea get the facts before turning this over to “angry netizens”– or at least START trying to do that in this century?

@122. I see. How will netizens late to the post know that – assuming they care.

Stop drawing a parallel between Spitzer and dancing in a nightclub.

As for whether or not you are defending the wankizens, it really sounds like you are just rationalizing their arguments.

You sure aren’t defending the guy in the picture.

How are we supposed to know whether or not he took the pic, posted it, even knew it was taken, or whether or not the women in the picture are nuns? All you do is say, “He’s a teacher, he isn’t allowed to do things like this.” Meanwhile, the Korean economy would collapse if doing things like that were outlawed. It’s encouraged, it’s normal, a Korean got rich by selling him drinks at that nightclub (at the very least) and it’s not wrong unless you want to start outlawing alcohol and dancing. Maybe you would be happier in Afghanistan.

#105,

I’ve stopped caring what you think a long time ago. You’re obviously a troll and a fucking hypocrite (don’t you have a backlash against Korean Americans to worry about?).

#106,

It invalidates the other arguments because once racism and xenophobia is thrown in the pot, they all become pretexts.

The picture was taken in Seoul, according to one of the featured girls, as a joke (obviously). So, my friend met the girl on the left in the picture at a bar in Itaewon on Sat night. He had a date with her a few nights later. She’s a lot cuter without her face blurred.

to the K-nutizens… Although I know her name, cyworld, where she lives, etc., sorry, I’m not going to tell you. But don’t worry, she likes the yellow meat too. She’s still heartbroken over her breakup with her previous (Korean) bf. Also, my buddy’s not an English teacher. And, if it makes you feel better, he’s leaving the Hanguk this weekend, so one fewer infidel will be “taking” “your” women, right jack@sses?

The girl said that it’s seen about 14,000,000 hits on daum, naver, and all, and that she tried to get it taken down, but to no avail. 30% of the hanguk’s population… it seems pretty popular.

14 million hits? Jesus christ… well, racism it is then.

I said that my friend met her just last Saturday. He’s not the same guy as that shown in the picture. I don’t know the exact date of the picture, or who the guy in this picture is, or who the other girls are.

14,000,000 – I’m just repeating what she said. She was certainly aware that she was instantly famous among the netizens, and not too pleased about it. The dailian.co.kr article linked here was not the only one, and not the original. As this post says, the original (taken down) was on Daum.

Heh.

Reactions like this from the k-nutizens only make it that much more sweet when I score with a Korean girl.