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	<title>Comments on: KoAm Housewives Warn Motherland Against US Beef</title>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153955</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 06:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is MCD?
Of course, large scale testing in the US is possible. That depends only on the will of people. At least, the US beef producers should test the cows for export, and scale is not an excuse here.
Some of the scientists may say something, other scientists may say quite another.
"US beef is completely safe."
It is not. Even you admit there is small risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is MCD?<br />
Of course, large scale testing in the US is possible. That depends only on the will of people. At least, the US beef producers should test the cows for export, and scale is not an excuse here.<br />
Some of the scientists may say something, other scientists may say quite another.<br />
&#8220;US beef is completely safe.&#8221;<br />
It is not. Even you admit there is small risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153927</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If the US stick to 0.1% sample testing, by the time the first BSE cow is detected by the sample testing, expected 999 BSE cows will have been distributed in the market."

Using that math, since 180,000 mad cows in England resulted in 150 victims, that would result in a 1 in 300,000,000 chance of MCD infecting a human. Of course, the odds are much lower considering the recall that would take place, making the odds infintessimal. 

Given the scale of beef consumption in the US (because Americans consume beef daily - and yes, it's American beef) testing on a large scale is simply unfeasible.

Scientists point out that MCD is simply a concern of the past, and we'd be better off focusing on concerns that have a statistical probablility such as e coli. Now, in Korea, this would be a much more realistic concern given the genreally poor handling of food products - refridgerated trucks with the power shut off, and so forth. US beef is completely safe and testing is more than adequate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the US stick to 0.1% sample testing, by the time the first BSE cow is detected by the sample testing, expected 999 BSE cows will have been distributed in the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>Using that math, since 180,000 mad cows in England resulted in 150 victims, that would result in a 1 in 300,000,000 chance of MCD infecting a human. Of course, the odds are much lower considering the recall that would take place, making the odds infintessimal. </p>
<p>Given the scale of beef consumption in the US (because Americans consume beef daily - and yes, it&#8217;s American beef) testing on a large scale is simply unfeasible.</p>
<p>Scientists point out that MCD is simply a concern of the past, and we&#8217;d be better off focusing on concerns that have a statistical probablility such as e coli. Now, in Korea, this would be a much more realistic concern given the genreally poor handling of food products - refridgerated trucks with the power shut off, and so forth. US beef is completely safe and testing is more than adequate.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153458</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizar5, though the article you raised is generally good, Japan does not remove all cattle over 30 months from the food chain. Actually about 1/3 of the cows processed every year in Japan are older than 30 months.
If your computer reads Japanese, try this page.
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html

You know what "meat and bone meal" is. Japanese consumers are very much concerned about the practice of US farmers who feed the chickens with meat and bone meal first then collect the excretions and feed the cows with them. By this practice, prion in the meat and bone meal can infect cows. What is the use of meat and bone meal other than this, anyway?

Japan tested all cattle and prevented 21 BSE cattle from being distributed in the market. Japanese think the money is well spent. If the US stick to 0.1% sample testing, by the time the first BSE cow is detected by the sample testing, expected 999 BSE cows will have been distributed in the market. Even so, you would argue that eating BSE infected beef is just OK. I disagree and I do not want to be the unlucky one who eats such beef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizar5, though the article you raised is generally good, Japan does not remove all cattle over 30 months from the food chain. Actually about 1/3 of the cows processed every year in Japan are older than 30 months.<br />
If your computer reads Japanese, try this page.<br />
<a href="http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mhlw.go.jp/houdou/0110/h1018-6.html</a></p>
<p>You know what &#8220;meat and bone meal&#8221; is. Japanese consumers are very much concerned about the practice of US farmers who feed the chickens with meat and bone meal first then collect the excretions and feed the cows with them. By this practice, prion in the meat and bone meal can infect cows. What is the use of meat and bone meal other than this, anyway?</p>
<p>Japan tested all cattle and prevented 21 BSE cattle from being distributed in the market. Japanese think the money is well spent. If the US stick to 0.1% sample testing, by the time the first BSE cow is detected by the sample testing, expected 999 BSE cows will have been distributed in the market. Even so, you would argue that eating BSE infected beef is just OK. I disagree and I do not want to be the unlucky one who eats such beef.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article:

http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2005-2/safety/2005-2-03.htm

exerpt: "Although the US response to BSE can be critiqued in some areas, the overall response appears to be far more efficient than, for example, that of Japan, which removed all cattle over 30 months from the food chain, instituted universal BSE testing, and banned meat and bone meal for all uses. US policy makers appear to have considered the costs and benefits of various approaches and recognized that the risk to human health is extremely low."

"How low is the risk? In the United Kingdom, the human version of BSE has claimed around 150 victims. However, they have had more than 180,000 BSE infected cows, most of which were found before the connection to human disease was recognized. Estimates of the total number of animals infected in the United Kingdom run to as high as two million. Had Canadian and US authorities taken no precautions to eliminate SRM tissues from food, four Canadian BSE cases might have led to 0.004 human cases in the next 10-15 years. The human health risk from BSE is probably far lower than the risk of choking on a toothbrush."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2005-2/safety/2005-2-03.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.choicesmagazine.org.....5-2-03.htm</a></p>
<p>exerpt: &#8220;Although the US response to BSE can be critiqued in some areas, the overall response appears to be far more efficient than, for example, that of Japan, which removed all cattle over 30 months from the food chain, instituted universal BSE testing, and banned meat and bone meal for all uses. US policy makers appear to have considered the costs and benefits of various approaches and recognized that the risk to human health is extremely low.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;How low is the risk? In the United Kingdom, the human version of BSE has claimed around 150 victims. However, they have had more than 180,000 BSE infected cows, most of which were found before the connection to human disease was recognized. Estimates of the total number of animals infected in the United Kingdom run to as high as two million. Had Canadian and US authorities taken no precautions to eliminate SRM tissues from food, four Canadian BSE cases might have led to 0.004 human cases in the next 10-15 years. The human health risk from BSE is probably far lower than the risk of choking on a toothbrush.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not analogous and an isolated example that does not negate the point. The fact is the US has shouldered a huge burden of Korea's security costs and this has been an invaluable contribution in addition to low cost loans and outright grants provided to Korea to build it from the ashes. My point? Americans would be shocked if they only knew what was going on in the streets of Korea and in the Korean media with regard to the sensationalizing of this issue. 

Fortunately for Korea, stories from Korea do not make the US news. But can you imagine how incensed the American public would be if they saw these lies being printed every day defaming America and the  rampant anti-Americanism in Korea. You'd see a huge backlash against Korean products that would bring Samsung, Hyundai and Kia to their knees.

So Koreans might as well awake from their fantasy world and face the facts. Without America's goodwill, the Republic of Korea would not have amounted to very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not analogous and an isolated example that does not negate the point. The fact is the US has shouldered a huge burden of Korea&#8217;s security costs and this has been an invaluable contribution in addition to low cost loans and outright grants provided to Korea to build it from the ashes. My point? Americans would be shocked if they only knew what was going on in the streets of Korea and in the Korean media with regard to the sensationalizing of this issue. </p>
<p>Fortunately for Korea, stories from Korea do not make the US news. But can you imagine how incensed the American public would be if they saw these lies being printed every day defaming America and the  rampant anti-Americanism in Korea. You&#8217;d see a huge backlash against Korean products that would bring Samsung, Hyundai and Kia to their knees.</p>
<p>So Koreans might as well awake from their fantasy world and face the facts. Without America&#8217;s goodwill, the Republic of Korea would not have amounted to very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153436</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I'd love to try Japanese beef in the US. I;ve had it in Japan and it was good. And it would appear to be of a higher quality than Korean beef, which is rather spotty and seldom lives up to its hype. But it's a specialty item and not that easy to get. I imagine I'd need to go to a Japanese market in a large metropolitan area such as NY or LA to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;d love to try Japanese beef in the US. I;ve had it in Japan and it was good. And it would appear to be of a higher quality than Korean beef, which is rather spotty and seldom lives up to its hype. But it&#8217;s a specialty item and not that easy to get. I imagine I&#8217;d need to go to a Japanese market in a large metropolitan area such as NY or LA to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153434</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Goat. Some people argue for the sake of arguing. Others present defensible facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Goat. Some people argue for the sake of arguing. Others present defensible facts.</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
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		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came back to look for my keys. Oh, there they are.

Taiwan is not analogous?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came back to look for my keys. Oh, there they are.</p>
<p>Taiwan is not analogous?</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know the Japanese beef issue. But if we can stick to science, there is an important distinction between the testing program and food safety. Increased testing has shown the risk of BSE to be statistically insignificant. Food safety involves the proper preparation of meat to remove the specified risk materials (SRM,cattle parts such as the brain and spinal cord, which are likely to carry the BSE agent if an animal is infected, which has been required since early 2004. 

As a result the risk of BSE in the food supply is virtually nonexistent, and this is what matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the Japanese beef issue. But if we can stick to science, there is an important distinction between the testing program and food safety. Increased testing has shown the risk of BSE to be statistically insignificant. Food safety involves the proper preparation of meat to remove the specified risk materials (SRM,cattle parts such as the brain and spinal cord, which are likely to carry the BSE agent if an animal is infected, which has been required since early 2004. </p>
<p>As a result the risk of BSE in the food supply is virtually nonexistent, and this is what matters.</p>
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		<title>By: The Goat</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/09/koam-housewives-warn-motherland-against-us-beef/#comment-153429</link>
		<dc:creator>The Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ban on Japanese beef was retaliatory and was to be kept in place until the ban on US beef was completely lifted.

On the other side, an $800,000 per year (give or take pre ban) export market of sales to the US is a drop in the bucket compared to the other way around.

It is a non-tariff trade barrier but in light of the magnitude (or lack of), it would hardly make an impact on either market.  It could be seen as a policy statement.  Isn't international trade fun?

In essence, the Japanese exports of beef is minuscule and banning it would hardly create a ripple in either domestic or international markets.  

In regards to the military spending, I think the reference was to the cost-sharing percentage with the US military.  Japan and Germany have historically paid a much more equitable share of the costs of hosting the US (iirc).  It was a common topic when President (Oh)No(!) took control...wanting an equal relationship but not wanting to assume equal costs.

(don't quote me on this crap...I am not too sure about the exact numbers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ban on Japanese beef was retaliatory and was to be kept in place until the ban on US beef was completely lifted.</p>
<p>On the other side, an $800,000 per year (give or take pre ban) export market of sales to the US is a drop in the bucket compared to the other way around.</p>
<p>It is a non-tariff trade barrier but in light of the magnitude (or lack of), it would hardly make an impact on either market.  It could be seen as a policy statement.  Isn&#8217;t international trade fun?</p>
<p>In essence, the Japanese exports of beef is minuscule and banning it would hardly create a ripple in either domestic or international markets.  </p>
<p>In regards to the military spending, I think the reference was to the cost-sharing percentage with the US military.  Japan and Germany have historically paid a much more equitable share of the costs of hosting the US (iirc).  It was a common topic when President (Oh)No(!) took control&#8230;wanting an equal relationship but not wanting to assume equal costs.</p>
<p>(don&#8217;t quote me on this crap&#8230;I am not too sure about the exact numbers).</p>
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