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		<title>By: MigukNamja</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/08/see-that-conservatives-are-more-happy-than-liberals/#comment-153138</link>
		<dc:creator>MigukNamja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for being late to the party. but...

Re: #29:

"No, Metro, I objected to your description of the comment section as conservative. While I haven’t asked my commenters to identify their political affiliations, I gather from observation that many of my regular commenters — the American ones, anyway — would identify themselves as Democrats."

Robert, you can't be serious. The majority of your regular commenters seem pretty conservative to me. True, the commenting section has moved away from the extreme right in the past couple of years and clearly left-leaning comments no longer get gang-raped, but it's still clearly right of center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for being late to the party. but&#8230;</p>
<p>Re: #29:</p>
<p>&#8220;No, Metro, I objected to your description of the comment section as conservative. While I haven’t asked my commenters to identify their political affiliations, I gather from observation that many of my regular commenters — the American ones, anyway — would identify themselves as Democrats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Robert, you can&#8217;t be serious. The majority of your regular commenters seem pretty conservative to me. True, the commenting section has moved away from the extreme right in the past couple of years and clearly left-leaning comments no longer get gang-raped, but it&#8217;s still clearly right of center.</p>
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		<title>By: stacked</title>
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		<dc:creator>stacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do i want social change, if yes vote liberal.
If no, vote conservative.

Conservatives dont rationalize inequality away, they just dont care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do i want social change, if yes vote liberal.<br />
If no, vote conservative.</p>
<p>Conservatives dont rationalize inequality away, they just dont care.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen it too much to take what you say as factual. Oh, I'm sure you believe it; but you also talked about how conservatives don't have any empathy. Finally, you seem to be confusing &lt;i&gt;meritocracy&lt;/i&gt; with the actual outcome of most leftist policies; &lt;i&gt;mediocrity&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen it too much to take what you say as factual. Oh, I&#8217;m sure you believe it; but you also talked about how conservatives don&#8217;t have any empathy. Finally, you seem to be confusing <i>meritocracy</i> with the actual outcome of most leftist policies; <i>mediocrity</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a word, the notion that conservatives care less about other people, have less empathy, etc., is complete ddong. Conservatives make slightly less than leftists (I tend not to use the misnomer “liberal” for those on the left of the spectrum), yet give about 30 percent more to charities, the cold-hearted bastards. 

Equality takes on a different meaning with vastly different consequences for conservatives and leftists, particularly in &lt;i&gt;options&lt;/i&gt; vs. &lt;i&gt;outcomes&lt;/i&gt;. Probably &lt;i&gt;responsibilities&lt;/i&gt; vs. &lt;i&gt;rights&lt;/i&gt; fall within the same category. Both sides have problems, but equal outcomes is fatally flawed; people have different skills, motivations, intelligence, etc. that lead them to different occupations, spouses, lifestyles and so on. What you do with it is your choice and the result is your responsibility. That tends to make leftists extremely uncomfortable. 

So there are competing approaches on how to carry out some of the same policy goals. But to say conservatives lack in empathy is burying your head in the sand. Deeply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a word, the notion that conservatives care less about other people, have less empathy, etc., is complete ddong. Conservatives make slightly less than leftists (I tend not to use the misnomer “liberal” for those on the left of the spectrum), yet give about 30 percent more to charities, the cold-hearted bastards. </p>
<p>Equality takes on a different meaning with vastly different consequences for conservatives and leftists, particularly in <i>options</i> vs. <i>outcomes</i>. Probably <i>responsibilities</i> vs. <i>rights</i> fall within the same category. Both sides have problems, but equal outcomes is fatally flawed; people have different skills, motivations, intelligence, etc. that lead them to different occupations, spouses, lifestyles and so on. What you do with it is your choice and the result is your responsibility. That tends to make leftists extremely uncomfortable. </p>
<p>So there are competing approaches on how to carry out some of the same policy goals. But to say conservatives lack in empathy is burying your head in the sand. Deeply.</p>
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		<title>By: day4night</title>
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		<dc:creator>day4night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is incorrect, Richardson, totally flawed, and here's why. The main problem in the view of liberals or progressives is not that there's a meritocracy, it's that not enough people are &lt;i&gt;inside&lt;/i&gt;the meritocracy. 

Only if you believe that the difference between someone who lives on $1 a day and someone who lives on $1,000 a day is the correct result of a meritocracy, only then can you believe that Cafferty turd. To try and explain away others' real suffering as mere pseudo-intellectual whining is just another means of avoidance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is incorrect, Richardson, totally flawed, and here&#8217;s why. The main problem in the view of liberals or progressives is not that there&#8217;s a meritocracy, it&#8217;s that not enough people are <i>inside</i>the meritocracy. </p>
<p>Only if you believe that the difference between someone who lives on $1 a day and someone who lives on $1,000 a day is the correct result of a meritocracy, only then can you believe that Cafferty turd. To try and explain away others&#8217; real suffering as mere pseudo-intellectual whining is just another means of avoidance.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good summary; 

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/09/why-are-conservatives-happier-than-liberals/

&lt;blockquote&gt;For example, a conservative might support the idea of a meritocracy – that &lt;b&gt;if you work hard and perform well, you’ll move up the economic ladder… and if you don’t, you probably won’t. But the study shows liberals tend to be troubled by this&lt;/b&gt;. Inequalities take a greater psychological toll on liberals, apparently because they can’t rationalize away the gaps in society and thus end up more frustrated by them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's a large part of what the study is actually getting at, which deflates a lot of the pseudo-intellectual types (the world is so unfair... blame it on society?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good summary; </p>
<p><a href="http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/09/why-are-conservatives-happier-than-liberals/" rel="nofollow">http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn......-liberals/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>For example, a conservative might support the idea of a meritocracy – that <b>if you work hard and perform well, you’ll move up the economic ladder… and if you don’t, you probably won’t. But the study shows liberals tend to be troubled by this</b>. Inequalities take a greater psychological toll on liberals, apparently because they can’t rationalize away the gaps in society and thus end up more frustrated by them.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a large part of what the study is actually getting at, which deflates a lot of the pseudo-intellectual types (the world is so unfair&#8230; blame it on society?).</p>
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		<title>By: day4night</title>
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		<dc:creator>day4night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article's point is that conservatives care less about other people's suffering than progressives do, and therefore ignorance really is bliss ("the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities").

So it's self-evident. Southern US pro-slavery folks were happier than abolitionists before the Civil War. If you lived in Nazi Germany, you were probably happier as a Jew-hating Nazi than as a Jew-loving democrat. 

As the article notes, conservatives tend to believe that vast inequality is justified and/or necessary. Progressives (even pro-market ones like me) know that there isn't any justification for other people's suffering, none other than our own small-minded selfishness and lack of imagination. Progressives tend to view the improvement of civilization as an increase in overall &lt;i&gt;empathy&lt;/i&gt; and compassion in addition to material advances. E.M. Forster called it the spread of tenderness. In fact progressives are prone to believe that &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; increasing empathy we will destroy ourselves with our own marvelous tools and life on earth will be proven chaff, not wheat. 

Conservatives counter that vast inequality is necessary for the sake of personal motivation. The very selfishness and rapacity of capitalism will lift up even the very poor. But progressives know that &lt;i&gt;relative&lt;/i&gt; wealth is also extremely important. In absolute terms a tribal king might have been poorer than a Dickensian plumber, but the king sure didn't feel that way. Because of this, the "my selfishness is your ticket to prosperity" mantra of conservatism backfires, because increasing prosperity the purely selfish way leads to increases in technology that will let the tribal king realize he's poorer than the British plumber, and then he'll &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; poorer as well, and he'll become resentful and bitter at your highly rationalized selfishness, particularly if &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; doesn't have enough empathy or tenderness to feel for those beyond his own tribe. And then you have things like 9/11 or the sacking of Rome (from which there was never a full recovery). Add nukes and poof... So a progressive might say that advances in technology and increases in wealth will be  directed toward selfish means such as war if the advances aren't accompanied by increases and the spread of empathy and compassion. So when the progressive sees other people's suffering, it's both repugnant because the progressive feels others' pain and because it signals that the world isn't yet on a good enough course as long as other people's suffering doesn't outrage everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article&#8217;s point is that conservatives care less about other people&#8217;s suffering than progressives do, and therefore ignorance really is bliss (&#8221;the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities&#8221;).</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s self-evident. Southern US pro-slavery folks were happier than abolitionists before the Civil War. If you lived in Nazi Germany, you were probably happier as a Jew-hating Nazi than as a Jew-loving democrat. </p>
<p>As the article notes, conservatives tend to believe that vast inequality is justified and/or necessary. Progressives (even pro-market ones like me) know that there isn&#8217;t any justification for other people&#8217;s suffering, none other than our own small-minded selfishness and lack of imagination. Progressives tend to view the improvement of civilization as an increase in overall <i>empathy</i> and compassion in addition to material advances. E.M. Forster called it the spread of tenderness. In fact progressives are prone to believe that <i>without</i> increasing empathy we will destroy ourselves with our own marvelous tools and life on earth will be proven chaff, not wheat. </p>
<p>Conservatives counter that vast inequality is necessary for the sake of personal motivation. The very selfishness and rapacity of capitalism will lift up even the very poor. But progressives know that <i>relative</i> wealth is also extremely important. In absolute terms a tribal king might have been poorer than a Dickensian plumber, but the king sure didn&#8217;t feel that way. Because of this, the &#8220;my selfishness is your ticket to prosperity&#8221; mantra of conservatism backfires, because increasing prosperity the purely selfish way leads to increases in technology that will let the tribal king realize he&#8217;s poorer than the British plumber, and then he&#8217;ll <i>feel</i> poorer as well, and he&#8217;ll become resentful and bitter at your highly rationalized selfishness, particularly if <i>he</i> doesn&#8217;t have enough empathy or tenderness to feel for those beyond his own tribe. And then you have things like 9/11 or the sacking of Rome (from which there was never a full recovery). Add nukes and poof&#8230; So a progressive might say that advances in technology and increases in wealth will be  directed toward selfish means such as war if the advances aren&#8217;t accompanied by increases and the spread of empathy and compassion. So when the progressive sees other people&#8217;s suffering, it&#8217;s both repugnant because the progressive feels others&#8217; pain and because it signals that the world isn&#8217;t yet on a good enough course as long as other people&#8217;s suffering doesn&#8217;t outrage everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad there's not a way to make money from all that verbiage. I believe he mentioned Naomi Wolf (sp?) or someone earns money writing down similar words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad there&#8217;s not a way to make money from all that verbiage. I believe he mentioned Naomi Wolf (sp?) or someone earns money writing down similar words?</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t function in terms of "50 words or less," which shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Don't be surprised if few read everything, and instead read the first and last sentence only...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t function in terms of &#8220;50 words or less,&#8221; which shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised if few read everything, and instead read the first and last sentence only&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course they’re happy! In the past 8 years they’ve
1) gutted the competition
2) wrecked New Orleans
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now come on...  Conservatives didn't wreck New Orleans.  A flippin' &lt;i&gt;force of nature&lt;/i&gt; did.  The administration was just late to the clean up party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course they’re happy! In the past 8 years they’ve<br />
1) gutted the competition<br />
2) wrecked New Orleans
</p></blockquote>
<p>Now come on&#8230;  Conservatives didn&#8217;t wreck New Orleans.  A flippin&#8217; <i>force of nature</i> did.  The administration was just late to the clean up party.</p>
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