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	<title>Comments on: Do Korean Businesses Need China More Than China Needs Them?</title>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/02/do-korean-businesses-need-china-more-than-china-needs-them/#comment-151557</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At top right, the headline reads: “Premier Wen Jiabao accompanied by Gov. Ma Ying-jeou pays a visit to Taiwan.” (In other words, Taiwan has already been absorbed into China.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If Wen Jiabao is still premier, it can't be too far into the future since the oldster will reach the Politburo's official retirement age of 68 in a couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At top right, the headline reads: “Premier Wen Jiabao accompanied by Gov. Ma Ying-jeou pays a visit to Taiwan.” (In other words, Taiwan has already been absorbed into China.)</p></blockquote>
<p>If Wen Jiabao is still premier, it can&#8217;t be too far into the future since the oldster will reach the Politburo&#8217;s official retirement age of 68 in a couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/02/do-korean-businesses-need-china-more-than-china-needs-them/#comment-151548</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off-topic, but still &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_china/20080328/wl_mcb_china/thenewspaperofchinasfuture" rel="nofollow"&gt;amusing&lt;/a&gt;, nonetheless:

&lt;i&gt;It’s almost April Fool’s’ Day, and here’s a mock edition of the People’s Daily Overseas Edition newspaper written at some date in China’s future. This satire is finding its way around on the internet.

Check out these headlines:

The main headline at the upper left, above the mushroom cloud, reads: “China Successfully Tests new Type of Nuclear Bomb on San Francisco.”

Next to it in the top middle of the page: “United Nations HQ Moves to Beijing.”

Are you getting the picture? It’s enough to cheer up any Chinese less than chipper about the future.

At top right, the headline reads: “Premier Wen Jiabao accompanied by Gov. Ma Ying-jeou pays a visit to Taiwan.” (In other words, Taiwan has already been absorbed into China.)

At lower right, under the NBA logo, is the headline: “Yao Ming recovers from injury, helps Rockets with championship.”

Smaller headlines lower on the page read:

“Chinese government Apologizes for Accidental Bombing of Pentagon.”

“Dalai Lama is Shot and Killed.”

“Major Earthquake hits Japanese Islands;
           Chinese government Sends Rescue Team.
                      No Survivors found Yet.”

“China Plans to Build 2nd Patriotic Military Base on Moon.”

It’s interesting that headlines play off not only natural interest in China growing ever stronger but also in seeing punishment wrought on its perceived enemies. Japan is abolished in a big quake, and the bombs fall repeatedly on the United States.&lt;/i&gt;

It appears - before the Olympic torch incident in Paris and the Korean reaction to the Seoul demonstrations - that the Chinese saw Uncle Sam and Japan as enemies Number One and Two respectively. Post-Paris and -Seoul, it would be interesting to see if these rankings have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic, but still <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_china/20080328/wl_mcb_china/thenewspaperofchinasfuture" rel="nofollow">amusing</a>, nonetheless:</p>
<p><i>It’s almost April Fool’s’ Day, and here’s a mock edition of the People’s Daily Overseas Edition newspaper written at some date in China’s future. This satire is finding its way around on the internet.</p>
<p>Check out these headlines:</p>
<p>The main headline at the upper left, above the mushroom cloud, reads: “China Successfully Tests new Type of Nuclear Bomb on San Francisco.”</p>
<p>Next to it in the top middle of the page: “United Nations HQ Moves to Beijing.”</p>
<p>Are you getting the picture? It’s enough to cheer up any Chinese less than chipper about the future.</p>
<p>At top right, the headline reads: “Premier Wen Jiabao accompanied by Gov. Ma Ying-jeou pays a visit to Taiwan.” (In other words, Taiwan has already been absorbed into China.)</p>
<p>At lower right, under the NBA logo, is the headline: “Yao Ming recovers from injury, helps Rockets with championship.”</p>
<p>Smaller headlines lower on the page read:</p>
<p>“Chinese government Apologizes for Accidental Bombing of Pentagon.”</p>
<p>“Dalai Lama is Shot and Killed.”</p>
<p>“Major Earthquake hits Japanese Islands;<br />
           Chinese government Sends Rescue Team.<br />
                      No Survivors found Yet.”</p>
<p>“China Plans to Build 2nd Patriotic Military Base on Moon.”</p>
<p>It’s interesting that headlines play off not only natural interest in China growing ever stronger but also in seeing punishment wrought on its perceived enemies. Japan is abolished in a big quake, and the bombs fall repeatedly on the United States.</i></p>
<p>It appears - before the Olympic torch incident in Paris and the Korean reaction to the Seoul demonstrations - that the Chinese saw Uncle Sam and Japan as enemies Number One and Two respectively. Post-Paris and -Seoul, it would be interesting to see if these rankings have changed.</p>
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		<title>By: stacked</title>
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		<dc:creator>stacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A growing economy is not a successful capitalistic economy.

Successful implies already grown and mature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A growing economy is not a successful capitalistic economy.</p>
<p>Successful implies already grown and mature.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Singapore is still not a democracy, and that island state is one of the largest economies in the world. How do you explain that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it is not one of the largest economies on the world.  It is not even in the top twenty.  It is one of the most prosperous countries in the world with a high &lt;b&gt;per capita&lt;/b&gt; income.

Looking at the CIA Factbook list of countries ranked by per capita PPP GDP, the top forty is dominated by city-states, petro-states, island tax havens, and Western democracies.  I did not notice any large, authoritarian nations among the world's most prosperous economies.  Not saying that democracy is a prerequisite to a developed economy for large nations, but the two seem to go hand in hand.  South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are not Western-style democracies, but neither are they authoritarian. Democracy may be the flower, rather than the seed of economic development in large countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Singapore is still not a democracy, and that island state is one of the largest economies in the world. How do you explain that?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it is not one of the largest economies on the world.  It is not even in the top twenty.  It is one of the most prosperous countries in the world with a high <b>per capita</b> income.</p>
<p>Looking at the CIA Factbook list of countries ranked by per capita PPP GDP, the top forty is dominated by city-states, petro-states, island tax havens, and Western democracies.  I did not notice any large, authoritarian nations among the world&#8217;s most prosperous economies.  Not saying that democracy is a prerequisite to a developed economy for large nations, but the two seem to go hand in hand.  South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are not Western-style democracies, but neither are they authoritarian. Democracy may be the flower, rather than the seed of economic development in large countries.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nachoinkorea, all those examples you mention is irrelevant. China is a special case unto itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nachoinkorea, all those examples you mention is irrelevant. China is a special case unto itself.</p>
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		<title>By: nachoinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nachoinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 12:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linkd has hit the nail on the head. If you guys think that a democracy is required to grow a successful capitalist economy, you are dead wrong. You obviously have not studied the rise of South Korea, Japan, and the Southeast Asian "tigers". All of these states used "state-led capitalism" to develop their economies. Only one of them, Japan, can be considered a democracy. And even then you are making a reach. If you think Japanese democracy is evenly remotely similar to American democracy (which is what I'm assuming you are basing your version of democracy on) then I think you need to go back to political science class. Korea's economy started taking off in the 1960s, democracy did not come until 1987. How do you explain that? Singapore is still not a democracy, and that island state is one of the largest economies in the world. How do you explain that? The idea that the "Washington Consensus" with a democracy and market economy is the only way to develop is a load of horse shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linkd has hit the nail on the head. If you guys think that a democracy is required to grow a successful capitalist economy, you are dead wrong. You obviously have not studied the rise of South Korea, Japan, and the Southeast Asian &#8220;tigers&#8221;. All of these states used &#8220;state-led capitalism&#8221; to develop their economies. Only one of them, Japan, can be considered a democracy. And even then you are making a reach. If you think Japanese democracy is evenly remotely similar to American democracy (which is what I&#8217;m assuming you are basing your version of democracy on) then I think you need to go back to political science class. Korea&#8217;s economy started taking off in the 1960s, democracy did not come until 1987. How do you explain that? Singapore is still not a democracy, and that island state is one of the largest economies in the world. How do you explain that? The idea that the &#8220;Washington Consensus&#8221; with a democracy and market economy is the only way to develop is a load of horse shit.</p>
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		<title>By: stafford</title>
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		<dc:creator>stafford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Answer the title: Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Answer the title: Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"maddog" wishing people harm is not a good solution for solving problems.  If your tree/soil analogy holds true, then I wonder what the Bush administration and his grossly abbreviated version of American law and government would say about my fellow Americans.  (I am being very nice too when I describe Bush's vision of things-American).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;maddog&#8221; wishing people harm is not a good solution for solving problems.  If your tree/soil analogy holds true, then I wonder what the Bush administration and his grossly abbreviated version of American law and government would say about my fellow Americans.  (I am being very nice too when I describe Bush&#8217;s vision of things-American).</p>
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		<title>By: MigukNamja</title>
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		<dc:creator>MigukNamja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cm and maddog,

Just because Linkd is delivering news you don't like doesn't make Linkd an apologist.

I agree with Linkd's assessment of how China's economy is an integral part of the world economy and how little power the "free world" has to influence it at this point. I also agree that the West does NOT have a monopoly on a universal model of governance and economy for the rest of the world. Indeed, look at the pathetic track record of trying to shove democracy down the throat of the Middle East - a region which overwhelmingly prefers authoritarian forms of government, whether by direct choice or indirect choice.

With that said, the "free world" so to speak should indeed continue to put soft (diplomatic) and, when necessary, hard (trade, military) pressure on China to play nicely. For example, the Korean government should indeed find, prosecute, and deport Chinese thugs for illegal behavior. If similar forms of punishment happen often enough, even the media-insulated Chinese will get the message that their behavior is counter-productive.

Remember one thing : the CCP's greatest fear is from a revolution within. The easiest paths to revolution are economic hardships and post-war fallout. The CCP will therefor do everything it can to prevent either one from happening, thereby giving the "free world" the necessary leverage to influence Chinese behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cm and maddog,</p>
<p>Just because Linkd is delivering news you don&#8217;t like doesn&#8217;t make Linkd an apologist.</p>
<p>I agree with Linkd&#8217;s assessment of how China&#8217;s economy is an integral part of the world economy and how little power the &#8220;free world&#8221; has to influence it at this point. I also agree that the West does NOT have a monopoly on a universal model of governance and economy for the rest of the world. Indeed, look at the pathetic track record of trying to shove democracy down the throat of the Middle East - a region which overwhelmingly prefers authoritarian forms of government, whether by direct choice or indirect choice.</p>
<p>With that said, the &#8220;free world&#8221; so to speak should indeed continue to put soft (diplomatic) and, when necessary, hard (trade, military) pressure on China to play nicely. For example, the Korean government should indeed find, prosecute, and deport Chinese thugs for illegal behavior. If similar forms of punishment happen often enough, even the media-insulated Chinese will get the message that their behavior is counter-productive.</p>
<p>Remember one thing : the CCP&#8217;s greatest fear is from a revolution within. The easiest paths to revolution are economic hardships and post-war fallout. The CCP will therefor do everything it can to prevent either one from happening, thereby giving the &#8220;free world&#8221; the necessary leverage to influence Chinese behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China will strive for rapid electrification, sewage, better housing, education, expanded agricultural output, public transport systems, and economic growth (ie job creation) because it is only in that way that the Communist Party will stay in power. That will have an environmental toll, and it will have an effect on the world's commodity prices. But the Chinese will live better, spend more and trade with them will make us all better off. The best hope for mitigating the environmental impact is western investment and know-how.

Russia is &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; model, not the best one. It may be suitable for cultures that favor strong-man politics over egalitarian democracy. And it will likely evolve with time. Too soon to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China will strive for rapid electrification, sewage, better housing, education, expanded agricultural output, public transport systems, and economic growth (ie job creation) because it is only in that way that the Communist Party will stay in power. That will have an environmental toll, and it will have an effect on the world&#8217;s commodity prices. But the Chinese will live better, spend more and trade with them will make us all better off. The best hope for mitigating the environmental impact is western investment and know-how.</p>
<p>Russia is <i>a</i> model, not the best one. It may be suitable for cultures that favor strong-man politics over egalitarian democracy. And it will likely evolve with time. Too soon to tell.</p>
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