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	<title>Comments on: Korea Needs to Fix KoAms&#8217; &#8216;Identity Problems&#8217; for English Program to Work</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 37 . . . Yeah, I'm not saying the groups aren't real, just that they aren't anything, meaning they're not influential and they likely don't speak for too many people.  Thus this reporter is basing his story on nothing and he found a couple tangential people who may, sort of, kind of, agree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 37 . . . Yeah, I&#8217;m not saying the groups aren&#8217;t real, just that they aren&#8217;t anything, meaning they&#8217;re not influential and they likely don&#8217;t speak for too many people.  Thus this reporter is basing his story on nothing and he found a couple tangential people who may, sort of, kind of, agree with him.</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
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		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 04:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 42- Gyopos from Russia and China are already doing that... but still funny nonetheless...

# 41- I think my mom will probably find something to nit pick at if I brought over an undereducated country bumkin from Chollanamdo with that weird accent of theirs.

# 40- Similar in Los Angeles, except that the kids from Korea take all their parents money and spend it on EVEN MORE night clubs, room salons, booze and drugs.  Oh, and they have those casinos at the Indian reservations too.

# 39- Hey, speak for yourself!  Motherland Koreans love me!

# 38- True... true.

$ 37- It's likely a one man shop.  Ajossis state side who made enough money to retire, got bored and want to do something for the motherland.  However, because they are egotistical pricks they can't work with anyone else other then a subservient receptionist/office person.  So these groups splinter so you have organizations named "Korean American Young Persons Assistance Group" and "The Korean American Young Persons Assistance Group of the North" etc. etc.  Also the same with Korean churches...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 42- Gyopos from Russia and China are already doing that&#8230; but still funny nonetheless&#8230;</p>
<p># 41- I think my mom will probably find something to nit pick at if I brought over an undereducated country bumkin from Chollanamdo with that weird accent of theirs.</p>
<p># 40- Similar in Los Angeles, except that the kids from Korea take all their parents money and spend it on EVEN MORE night clubs, room salons, booze and drugs.  Oh, and they have those casinos at the Indian reservations too.</p>
<p># 39- Hey, speak for yourself!  Motherland Koreans love me!</p>
<p># 38- True&#8230; true.</p>
<p>$ 37- It&#8217;s likely a one man shop.  Ajossis state side who made enough money to retire, got bored and want to do something for the motherland.  However, because they are egotistical pricks they can&#8217;t work with anyone else other then a subservient receptionist/office person.  So these groups splinter so you have organizations named &#8220;Korean American Young Persons Assistance Group&#8221; and &#8220;The Korean American Young Persons Assistance Group of the North&#8221; etc. etc.  Also the same with Korean churches&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: William George</title>
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		<dc:creator>William George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the spirit of this I'd like to announce the "Would A Gyopo Please Come And Clean My Toilet For Me Movement" 

You'll be paid with a hearty handshake... assuming you've washed your hands afterwards... and the knowledge that you've done your best to keep a small part of the motherland sparkling.

Anyone? I'll even provide the toilet brush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of this I&#8217;d like to announce the &#8220;Would A Gyopo Please Come And Clean My Toilet For Me Movement&#8221; </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be paid with a hearty handshake&#8230; assuming you&#8217;ve washed your hands afterwards&#8230; and the knowledge that you&#8217;ve done your best to keep a small part of the motherland sparkling.</p>
<p>Anyone? I&#8217;ll even provide the toilet brush.</p>
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		<title>By: Baek du Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baek du Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39 agree
#24 funny and so true

Looks like the farmers will have to import even more brides if some of the country talent manage to get a free visa into the US with their new 'Charity worker' who was kind enough to offer his time to the motherland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39 agree<br />
#24 funny and so true</p>
<p>Looks like the farmers will have to import even more brides if some of the country talent manage to get a free visa into the US with their new &#8216;Charity worker&#8217; who was kind enough to offer his time to the motherland.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29,

In Canada, I've met too many South Korean and Japanese backpackers whose parents thought they were studying at a language institute in Vancouver to count.  They study a month, make other Japanese and Korean friends, get a certificate, and then spend the next 5 backpacking across Canada together.</description>
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<p>In Canada, I&#8217;ve met too many South Korean and Japanese backpackers whose parents thought they were studying at a language institute in Vancouver to count.  They study a month, make other Japanese and Korean friends, get a certificate, and then spend the next 5 backpacking across Canada together.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk, 검은 머리 외국인</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk, 검은 머리 외국인</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kyopos aren't very loyal.  They use South Korea for their own purposes.  As long as they fill their needs, they cling to Korea.  When being Korean costs something, they flee fast.  This is all you really need to read, basically.  The stuff below is some thoughts that may or may not make sense.
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Needs may be, a place to hide money, a wife (some of these are AAA grade dwaen jang nyuhs, check out the "talents" and announcers who recently got married), real estate investments (or call it too-gee), etc.

Costs may be goondae if applicable, paying taxes in Korea, paying inheritance taxes, adjusting to a lower GDP if applicable, etc.

These people don't even buy Hyundais and park their Japanese cars at church.

They'll gather up in unison if the Japanese Prime Minister is dumb enough (never makes sense economically) to be blatantly putting down Korea, or if there is a Korean sporting event of interest. (the super athelete is always proof of superior genes)

These "loyal" Kyopos are very quick to forget about people like Park Chanho.  Only cheer while they're good or something.  

US Kyopos won't really be truly appreciated by motherland Koreans, for anything, ever, though.   Motherland Koreans are always jealous of US Kyopos.  Easier college entrance, happier teenage years, no army, the ability to buy brand name clothes cheaply, etc.  To this day, motherland Koreans come to the US, and the first thing they do, is go to a clothing outlet.  And fill up the truck.

Motherland Koreans also have a strange nack of having a superiority complex over Kyopos from China, Russia, etc.  

The whole relationship is not very tight as it could be.

Bottom line, ROK govt should pay more, or work out a deal with the US govt, so it counts college or career advancement in the US.  Or else, it's charity work.  Better to say you were in the Peace Corps, than teaching English in a developed nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kyopos aren&#8217;t very loyal.  They use South Korea for their own purposes.  As long as they fill their needs, they cling to Korea.  When being Korean costs something, they flee fast.  This is all you really need to read, basically.  The stuff below is some thoughts that may or may not make sense.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Needs may be, a place to hide money, a wife (some of these are AAA grade dwaen jang nyuhs, check out the &#8220;talents&#8221; and announcers who recently got married), real estate investments (or call it too-gee), etc.</p>
<p>Costs may be goondae if applicable, paying taxes in Korea, paying inheritance taxes, adjusting to a lower GDP if applicable, etc.</p>
<p>These people don&#8217;t even buy Hyundais and park their Japanese cars at church.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll gather up in unison if the Japanese Prime Minister is dumb enough (never makes sense economically) to be blatantly putting down Korea, or if there is a Korean sporting event of interest. (the super athelete is always proof of superior genes)</p>
<p>These &#8220;loyal&#8221; Kyopos are very quick to forget about people like Park Chanho.  Only cheer while they&#8217;re good or something.  </p>
<p>US Kyopos won&#8217;t really be truly appreciated by motherland Koreans, for anything, ever, though.   Motherland Koreans are always jealous of US Kyopos.  Easier college entrance, happier teenage years, no army, the ability to buy brand name clothes cheaply, etc.  To this day, motherland Koreans come to the US, and the first thing they do, is go to a clothing outlet.  And fill up the truck.</p>
<p>Motherland Koreans also have a strange nack of having a superiority complex over Kyopos from China, Russia, etc.  </p>
<p>The whole relationship is not very tight as it could be.</p>
<p>Bottom line, ROK govt should pay more, or work out a deal with the US govt, so it counts college or career advancement in the US.  Or else, it&#8217;s charity work.  Better to say you were in the Peace Corps, than teaching English in a developed nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This place wouldn't be the Hole without heaping daily helpings of STFUs, but it's nice when the occasional thread unites everyone in common disdain for the retardation of an outsider.

Time now to take Baby Linkd for her first riverside picnic. Awwwww.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This place wouldn&#8217;t be the Hole without heaping daily helpings of STFUs, but it&#8217;s nice when the occasional thread unites everyone in common disdain for the retardation of an outsider.</p>
<p>Time now to take Baby Linkd for her first riverside picnic. Awwwww&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As I pointed out on my write-up of this story, doesn’t look like the Ko-Am groups mentioned in the article are anything. Google turns up nothing, and the reporter probably just probably asked his kid’s Sunday school teacher to think up a cool name for a Ko-Am group.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn't put much stock in that. I'm sure they're actual groups. It's a proven fact that as soon as two Koreans come together in one place, an association or "popular front" is formed and one of the members (the oldest one) appoints himself Chairman for life. Add a third member, and about an hour later the long-suppressed resentment over the heavy-handed and autocratic rule of the Chairman results in a splinter group being formed with the junior member of the original group as the new group's Chairman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As I pointed out on my write-up of this story, doesn’t look like the Ko-Am groups mentioned in the article are anything. Google turns up nothing, and the reporter probably just probably asked his kid’s Sunday school teacher to think up a cool name for a Ko-Am group.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t put much stock in that. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re actual groups. It&#8217;s a proven fact that as soon as two Koreans come together in one place, an association or &#8220;popular front&#8221; is formed and one of the members (the oldest one) appoints himself Chairman for life. Add a third member, and about an hour later the long-suppressed resentment over the heavy-handed and autocratic rule of the Chairman results in a splinter group being formed with the junior member of the original group as the new group&#8217;s Chairman.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Korean cicadas keeping my ass awake until 3pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;You sure sleep late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Korean cicadas keeping my ass awake until 3pm</p></blockquote>
<p>You sure sleep late!</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Korean government came up with this half-baked plan, they probably thought of Kyopos as loyal Koreans, who would come back and work for the motherland for free.

Well, now that the half-baked plan has met reality, the Korean government has realized that they are oh my gosh, Americans!

So what's the next move?

Simple.  Brainwash them into thinking that they are loyal Koreans, who would gladly work for free.

Well, not that I expect anything smart to come from the Korean government or corporations for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Korean government came up with this half-baked plan, they probably thought of Kyopos as loyal Koreans, who would come back and work for the motherland for free.</p>
<p>Well, now that the half-baked plan has met reality, the Korean government has realized that they are oh my gosh, Americans!</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the next move?</p>
<p>Simple.  Brainwash them into thinking that they are loyal Koreans, who would gladly work for free.</p>
<p>Well, not that I expect anything smart to come from the Korean government or corporations for that matter.</p>
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