Comments on: Chinese Students: We Regret Violence, But Stop Blaming Us http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:30:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: S. Goldmeyer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-168242 S. Goldmeyer Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:51:19 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-168242 As a Jewish Canadian living abroad, I had hoped that the hate-speach laws in Canada would be enough to deport all anti-Tibetan Chinese, or all the payroll-funded Chinese Olympic promoters. Often the Chinese are motivated by racist propaganda they recieve in their dark, factory-like schools and spew their nonsense out of their foul mouths at any chance they get. As a Jewish Canadian living abroad, I had hoped that the hate-speach laws in Canada would be enough to deport all anti-Tibetan Chinese, or all the payroll-funded Chinese Olympic promoters. Often the Chinese are motivated by racist propaganda they recieve in their dark, factory-like schools and spew their nonsense out of their foul mouths at any chance they get.

]]> By: user-81 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151652 user-81 Sat, 03 May 2008 03:00:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151652 Repent and you shall be free: <i>A court rejected the application Friday for an arrest warrant for a Chinese student who was accused of assaulting a Korean man. The decision was made one day after police detained him for kicking and hitting a 49-year-old Korean protester with a Chinese national flag, and hurling concrete tiles in a clash between Chinese students and anti-Chinese protestors during the Olympic torch relay in Seoul last Sunday. The court said it decided against issuing the arrest warrant, as he was repentant over his misdeeds. In addition, his chances of fleeing the country or destroying evidence were slim as he lives in a campus dormitory. </i> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_23548.html Repent and you shall be free:

A court rejected the application Friday for an arrest warrant for a Chinese student who was accused of assaulting a Korean man.

The decision was made one day after police detained him for kicking and hitting a 49-year-old Korean protester with a Chinese national flag, and hurling concrete tiles in a clash between Chinese students and anti-Chinese protestors during the Olympic torch relay in Seoul last Sunday.

The court said it decided against issuing the arrest warrant, as he was repentant over his misdeeds. In addition, his chances of fleeing the country or destroying evidence were slim as he lives in a campus dormitory.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww.....23548.html

]]> By: hitest http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151054 hitest Thu, 01 May 2008 03:24:36 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151054 This all reminds me of when I put food down for my dogs. They use to climb all over each other worried that they would be left out. Well now they realize there is no need to bark and growl. Took a couple weeks. Some people are not long out of the trees. What to do? Scream and holler. Concert crowds. How much of a coward could you be? The horror of it all. This all reminds me of when I put food down for my dogs.

They use to climb all over each other worried that they would be left out. Well now they realize there is no need to bark and growl. Took a couple weeks.

Some people are not long out of the trees. What to do? Scream and holler.

Concert crowds. How much of a coward could you be?

The horror of it all.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151053 Sonagi Thu, 01 May 2008 03:18:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151053 How come Pawi posts still appear? How come Pawi posts still appear?

]]> By: hitest http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151052 hitest Thu, 01 May 2008 03:13:01 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151052 It's easy. Stay home. Shut up. It’s easy. Stay home. Shut up.

]]> By: dda http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151051 dda Thu, 01 May 2008 03:12:21 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151051 <blockquote>Somehow the comment numbers got changed.</blockquote>If you're using my NoPawi GreaseMonkey script, that's a side effect. Since comments are displayed inside <li> elements, hiding one of them -- which is what the script does, renumbers the following ones...

Somehow the comment numbers got changed.

If you’re using my NoPawi GreaseMonkey script, that’s a side effect. Since comments are displayed inside <li> elements, hiding one of them — which is what the script does, renumbers the following ones…

]]> By: Hatch SZ http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151043 Hatch SZ Thu, 01 May 2008 02:49:26 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151043 "why don’t you think there should be hate crime legislation in the US? I think it’s necessary given the past & people’s general propensity to act maliciously." Having special legislation for one group of people can have the opposite effect of its intention. Also, if someone beats the crap out of me, I want that person to receive the same sentencing as someone who beat the crap out of another person with a few gay (or whatever) slurs thrown in. Laws against violence against specific groups already exist--they just happen to apply to everyone else as well. “why don’t you think there should be hate crime legislation in the US? I think it’s necessary given the past & people’s general propensity to act maliciously.”
Having special legislation for one group of people can have the opposite effect of its intention. Also, if someone beats the crap out of me, I want that person to receive the same sentencing as someone who beat the crap out of another person with a few gay (or whatever) slurs thrown in. Laws against violence against specific groups already exist–they just happen to apply to everyone else as well.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151038 Joshua Thu, 01 May 2008 02:25:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151038 Addendum to above: usually, a conspiracy consists of an agreement to commit an illegal act and an over act in furtherance of it. Addendum to above: usually, a conspiracy consists of an agreement to commit an illegal act and an over act in furtherance of it.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151036 Sonagi Thu, 01 May 2008 02:20:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151036 Somehow the comment numbers got changed. My "non sequitur" comment was in response to cm's post with the Asianweek link. Somehow the comment numbers got changed. My “non sequitur” comment was in response to cm’s post with the Asianweek link.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151031 Joshua Thu, 01 May 2008 01:58:31 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/30/chinese-students-we-regret-violence-but-stop-blaming-us/#comment-151031 <blockquote>What does “involved” mean? Does it mean people there but not convicted of assault? Because otherwise it’s covered by the first category.</blockquote> I don't know about Korean law, but in most American legal systems, indirect involvement in mob violence would also be a criminal offense. - Anyone who encouraged or incited violence before or during the event could be convicted of conspiracy. - Anyone who surged along with the angry mob, tried to strike a blow, but was prevented from striking it only by the presence of other angry mobbers could be convicted of attempt. - Anyone cheering the mob on could be convicted of solitication to commit assault. In the UCMJ, most inchoate offenses carry the same maximum punishments as the completed offense. It seems just to deport those who committed violent acts, or who conspired, attempted, or solicited them. And with its convenient shortages of procedural safeguards, rules of evidence, and competent lawyers, the Korean legal system can easily arrange for that boat trip to China to have a long stopover in Chonan.

What does “involved” mean? Does it mean people there but not convicted of assault? Because otherwise it’s covered by the first category.

I don’t know about Korean law, but in most American legal systems, indirect involvement in mob violence would also be a criminal offense.

- Anyone who encouraged or incited violence before or during the event could be convicted of conspiracy.

- Anyone who surged along with the angry mob, tried to strike a blow, but was prevented from striking it only by the presence of other angry mobbers could be convicted of attempt.

- Anyone cheering the mob on could be convicted of solitication to commit assault.

In the UCMJ, most inchoate offenses carry the same maximum punishments as the completed offense.

It seems just to deport those who committed violent acts, or who conspired, attempted, or solicited them. And with its convenient shortages of procedural safeguards, rules of evidence, and competent lawyers, the Korean legal system can easily arrange for that boat trip to China to have a long stopover in Chonan.

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