As this is of current interest, this is an interesting article from the NY Times on the thoughts and views of Chinese students abroad.
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As this is of current interest, this is an interesting article from the NY Times on the thoughts and views of Chinese students abroad.
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“When we were poor, you thought we were dogs./ When we loan you cash, you blame us for your debts.”
Does that mean that Canada should stop offering foreign aid to China? Should Canadians kids stop using their pocket money to fund the construction of schools in China?
Why is all this so eerily familiar to Mao’s Cultural Revolution of 1966? These Chinese students are acting like Mao’s Red Guard, shouting slogans, acting violent against anyone who have a different view of things, and trying to go on a PURGE, this time on a GLOBAL scale. It’s like China vs. the World and were going to stomp on your grounds, beat your ass to the ground and prove you ALL are LIARS!
Soon we will see these nationalistic zealots running around with “red books” in hand and using mob violence to force “confessions” out of people!
Thought this might interest you: a recent Herald Tribune article about the previous president getting so many visitors. http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....sident.php
What is the obsession with Tibet anyway? Why do people get so much more angry about this than other human rights abuses? I can think of tons of other blatant human rights abuses committed by so-called Western democracies.
Where was this type of passion when NK defectors got shafted by DJ Kim’s and Roh’s communist regimes? Where is the passion about returning the United States to the Native Americans? Why does no one care about Korean factory owners who beat the shit out of South Asian workers? What about the Vietnamese mail order brides who have to suffer fraudulent marriages? [elided for offensive content]
Hey, I’m all for human rights. Dont get me wrong but I hate these flavor of the month bullshit spewed by liberals. If you care about Tibet so much, then boycott all Chinese goods and make a statement. Dont chastise other people for having their own views that differ from the ones you have.
After the student protests in Tiananmen Square were crushed in 1989, the Chinese government re-dedicated their “China vs. The World” ideology efforts similar (though not as extreme) to what North Korea has been doing for the past 60 years. Information was censored, freedoms became even more limited, historical facts were manipulated and people were taught any criticism of the government was a direct attack on the Chinese people. The younger generation, mostly due to the surging economy and new found wealth, has bought into this ideology. Money has a way of changing a person’s perspective and living in a golden cage is preferable to most than being poor and free. Now we have one billion brainwashed robots who follow their governments example and believe anyone who thinks differently from them or criticizes Chinese policy in any way must be crushed and purged. Anyone with a different point of view is a “Liar”. Are you surprised when today’s students turn to violence when that is the example they’ve been taught by their own government for decades? The Chinese government not only crushed any hope of democratic freedom in Tiananmen Square, they also killed the Chinese soul.
Let’s keep in mind that young, urban, educated Chinese represent a small segment of China’s economically and regionally diverse population. Angry villagers defying arrest by protesting local corruption obviously don’t believe the BS slogans painted on brick walls. Middle-aged working people are much more concerned with providing for their families and other mundane concerns and care little about patriotic movements.
I stand by my earlier comments on another thread that until these kids can learn to behave like humans, there should be no more student visas for them.
I’d be surprised and, frankly scared out of my mind if all billion or even the majority of the Chinese population think along that line. Because of the media blackout, we don’t know for sure, but I am willing to guess that there are many dissenters and far more many who do not fall under the nationalism category in China.
What saddens and disappoints me, though, is that it is the young,urban, educated class of that society that’s behaving like a bunch of brainwashed morons. Beijing Olympics is exciting for me because it truly is an opportunity where the China can be exposed to the world completely and the world can observe China completely… or at least I hope it goes down that way.
Can the 2008 Olympics be the catalyst for China?
You know, I was in a good mood after having my fill of an all you can eat sushi buffet (Only 9 bucks yo!), but now I’m grouchy. I can’t believe just how absolutely dense most people seem to be. Ironically enough, it is the perennial China baiter Zhang Fei that hits closest to home this time.
Chinese students and people aren’t brainwashed communist automatons as some critics are wont to believe. Much of the protests were organized online and they do have access to competing points of view and external information. That they don’t happen to share the same values as much of the West (or the same effeminate protest culture) is somehow treated as an aberration. Cognitive dissonance leads a bunch of clueless expats and journalists into thinking it must be the Communist Party that is to blame.
Accept it, most Chinese do believe Tibet belongs to them and most are pissed about the response of the West vis-a-vis the Olympics. Its not brainwashing, it’s genuine. They even have bumper stickers.
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2.....-stickers/
The Chinese are like Bruce Banner, normally mild mannered and hard working. However like Bruce Banner, the Chinese also have some certain unresolved anger management issues that are triggered by Pavlovian cues(Betty Ross for Bruce, Sovereignty issues for China). When roused from the usual passivity you will get outbursts of CHINA SMASH!!!
Some are so deluded by their own sense of self-importance that they think simply exposing their point of view and waving some placards will magically change other people’s minds. Has 5 years of Iraq and 7 years in Afghanistan not taught people that maybe just maybe not everyone shares the same sense of priorities.
I suddenly feel like having 짱개 for lunch today…
Why this obsession with Tibet and not other human rights abuses? Simple. The Tibet issue has a charismatic and charming spokesperson. Many other troubles do not have such a luxury.
Hopefully the Chinese at the American school they are attending will learn the importance of factual credibility and civil discourse in their studies. Judging from the factless propaganda they were disbursing before the Tibet talk and from the actions of the student who threw a water bottle (take note Korea, people who throw things at others should be dealt with by the police) they have been raised in a way that does not promote truthful inquiry.
You’re right.
The Chinese thing is more about selfishness than ignorance. If they were ignorant, I wouldn’t even have an issue with them. It’s because they’re primarily greedy and selfish, that they believe they have a right to do such and such to African totalitarian govts, (yo, US does civilization building in Iraq, what does China do except sell weapons to kill people?)
North Korea, Burma, Tibet, etc.
One of the IndoChinese nations, Vietnam, another nation with a similar mindset to Han China, did something laugh factory worthy today.
Their communist party, pretty much an unrepented drone of the Chinese one, guaranteed the CCParty there will be no anti-Chinese protests in Vietnam during the Olympics thing.
I’ve never seen people of either nations pass up a good deal over helping someone in need.
Ok, maybe that’s too vicious.
Then where would students get such a mind set Jing? Their parents? Manwha? Why does there seem to be a lack of individual thought on their part or is this a misconception that has been amplified by media only?
versus today’s actions in Vietnam, it is well apparent that the South Koreans are way more advanced in civilization than the North Koreans and the Vietnamese in human development, in general.
You can thank Uncle Ho,
for that.
35+ years of absolute waste.
J: Ironically enough, it is the perennial China baiter Zhang Fei that hits closest to home this time.
Not ironic at all. A casual perusal of Chinese history - especially its treatment of the Anglo-Chinese Wars - should tell you everything you need to know about the Chinese superiority complex. It is China’s right to expand its territory in any direction it chooses. Any foreign attack on China should, of course, be not only the subject of eternal Chinese rage, it should be blamed for China’s post-communist backwardness. Northeast Asia was a better place when it was a collection over a dozen countries - before the Chinese empire came into being.
And who paid to ship 10,000 flags and charter dozens of buses to mobilize students and huaqiao from the provinces?
WJK: The Chinese thing is more about selfishness than ignorance.
Think superiority complex combined with a will to empire. Some people like to compare them to pre-war Germans. I think the Chinese are the originals - they were acting this way when Germans were dressed in animal skins and fighting Romans in the Teutoberg Forest.
Zhang Fei has always been spot on on China, as “unsoothing” as his views come across.
Jing is also correct here, perhaps in unintended ways and dimensions. In a world where it would be hard to get 5 or 10 “western” people to agree on pizza toppings, one could interview 100 million PRChinese, or only one or two, on Tibet or Taiwan or ANY POLITICAL ISSUE and get the EXACT SAME OPINION — as that NYT article illustrates. Its biggest hole is its failure to find anyone — even Tibetans who were present — to even mildly disagree with official views on the record.
All of us should “seek truth from facts”: Let’s start by asking one Grace Wang of Duke University just how wide the menu of choices for Chinese in these matters really is.
Someone from the PRC, who agrees that some of the Chinese students in Seoul behaved badly, told me she thinks the Korean media is not showing both sides. She directed me to this:
http://news.wenxuecity.com/mes.....85729.html
What I want to know is what’s actually going on with the man holding the bicycle over his head. I can imagine him doing that in self-defense since he is surrounded by several aggressive people who are bigger than he is, BUT it’s also possible he started the threats by threatening these people with the bicycle. That’s what the Chinese site seems to suggest, but I’ve already seen some deceptive editing today.
Does anybody know?
“User”, common sense would lead one to doubt that some guy is threatening people with a bicycle. A pipe, a rock, something that can be hefted easily would make sense since it is too easy to dodge a bike.
You must not have had to fight someone before to think like that!
Thanks, Elgin, but I want hard facts about what is going on with him holding up the bicycle, not guesses.