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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-151131</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Elgin, but I want hard facts about what is going on with him holding up the bicycle, not guesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Elgin, but I want hard facts about what is going on with him holding up the bicycle, not guesses.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-151127</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"User", common sense would lead one to doubt that some guy is threatening people with a bicycle.  A pipe, a rock, something that can be hefted easily would make sense since it is too easy to dodge a bike.  

You must not have had to fight someone before to think like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;User&#8221;, common sense would lead one to doubt that some guy is threatening people with a bicycle.  A pipe, a rock, something that can be hefted easily would make sense since it is too easy to dodge a bike.  </p>
<p>You must not have had to fight someone before to think like that!</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-151123</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone from the PRC, who agrees that some of the Chinese students in Seoul behaved badly, told me she thinks the Korean media is not showing both sides. She directed me to this:

http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200804/news-gb2312-585729.html

What I want to know is what's actually going on with the man holding the bicycle over his head. I can imagine him doing that in self-defense since he is surrounded by several aggressive people who are bigger than he is, BUT it's also possible he started the threats by threatening these people with the bicycle. That's what the Chinese site seems to suggest, but I've already seen some deceptive editing today.

Does anybody know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone from the PRC, who agrees that some of the Chinese students in Seoul behaved badly, told me she thinks the Korean media is not showing both sides. She directed me to this:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200804/news-gb2312-585729.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.wenxuecity.com/mes.....85729.html</a></p>
<p>What I want to know is what&#8217;s actually going on with the man holding the bicycle over his head. I can imagine him doing that in self-defense since he is surrounded by several aggressive people who are bigger than he is, BUT it&#8217;s also possible he started the threats by threatening these people with the bicycle. That&#8217;s what the Chinese site seems to suggest, but I&#8217;ve already seen some deceptive editing today.</p>
<p>Does anybody know?</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150833</link>
		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zhang Fei has always been spot on on China, as "unsoothing" as his views come across. 

Jing is also correct here, perhaps in unintended ways and dimensions. In a world where it would be hard to get 5 or 10 "western" people to agree on pizza toppings, one could interview 100 million PRChinese, or only one or two, on Tibet or Taiwan or ANY POLITICAL ISSUE and get the EXACT SAME OPINION -- as that NYT article illustrates. Its biggest hole is its failure to find anyone -- even Tibetans who were present -- to even mildly disagree with official views on the record.

All of us should "seek truth from facts": Let's start by asking one Grace Wang of Duke University just how wide the menu of choices for Chinese in these matters really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zhang Fei has always been spot on on China, as &#8220;unsoothing&#8221; as his views come across. </p>
<p>Jing is also correct here, perhaps in unintended ways and dimensions. In a world where it would be hard to get 5 or 10 &#8220;western&#8221; people to agree on pizza toppings, one could interview 100 million PRChinese, or only one or two, on Tibet or Taiwan or ANY POLITICAL ISSUE and get the EXACT SAME OPINION &#8212; as that NYT article illustrates. Its biggest hole is its failure to find anyone &#8212; even Tibetans who were present &#8212; to even mildly disagree with official views on the record.</p>
<p>All of us should &#8220;seek truth from facts&#8221;: Let&#8217;s start by asking one Grace Wang of Duke University just how wide the menu of choices for Chinese in these matters really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150813</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJK: &lt;i&gt;The Chinese thing is more about selfishness than ignorance.&lt;/i&gt;

Think superiority complex combined with a will to empire. Some people like to compare them to pre-war Germans. I think the Chinese are the originals - they were acting this way when Germans were dressed in animal skins and fighting Romans in the Teutoberg Forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJK: <i>The Chinese thing is more about selfishness than ignorance.</i></p>
<p>Think superiority complex combined with a will to empire. Some people like to compare them to pre-war Germans. I think the Chinese are the originals - they were acting this way when Germans were dressed in animal skins and fighting Romans in the Teutoberg Forest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150807</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Much of the protests were organized online and they do have access to competing points of view and external information. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And who paid to ship 10,000 flags and charter dozens of buses to mobilize students and huaqiao from the provinces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Much of the protests were organized online and they do have access to competing points of view and external information. </p></blockquote>
<p>And who paid to ship 10,000 flags and charter dozens of buses to mobilize students and huaqiao from the provinces?</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150805</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J: &lt;i&gt;Ironically enough, it is the perennial China baiter Zhang Fei that hits closest to home this time.&lt;/i&gt;

Not ironic at all. A casual perusal of Chinese history - especially its treatment of the Anglo-Chinese Wars - should tell you everything you need to know about the Chinese superiority complex. It is China's right to expand its territory in any direction it chooses. Any foreign attack on China should, of course, be not only the subject of eternal Chinese rage, it should be blamed for China's post-communist backwardness. Northeast Asia was a better place when it was a collection over a dozen countries - before the Chinese empire came into being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J: <i>Ironically enough, it is the perennial China baiter Zhang Fei that hits closest to home this time.</i></p>
<p>Not ironic at all. A casual perusal of Chinese history - especially its treatment of the Anglo-Chinese Wars - should tell you everything you need to know about the Chinese superiority complex. It is China&#8217;s right to expand its territory in any direction it chooses. Any foreign attack on China should, of course, be not only the subject of eternal Chinese rage, it should be blamed for China&#8217;s post-communist backwardness. Northeast Asia was a better place when it was a collection over a dozen countries - before the Chinese empire came into being.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk, 검은 머리 외국인</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150804</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk, 검은 머리 외국인</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>versus today's actions in Vietnam, it is well apparent that the South Koreans are way more advanced in civilization than the North Koreans and the Vietnamese in human development, in general.

You can thank Uncle Ho,

for that.

35+ years of absolute waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>versus today&#8217;s actions in Vietnam, it is well apparent that the South Koreans are way more advanced in civilization than the North Koreans and the Vietnamese in human development, in general.</p>
<p>You can thank Uncle Ho,</p>
<p>for that.</p>
<p>35+ years of absolute waste.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150803</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . Cognitive dissonance leads a bunch of clueless expats and journalists into thinking it must be the Communist Party that is to blame.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Then where would students get such a mind set Jing? Their parents?  Manwha?  Why does there seem to be a lack of individual thought on their part or is this a misconception that has been amplified by media only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. . . Cognitive dissonance leads a bunch of clueless expats and journalists into thinking it must be the Communist Party that is to blame.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then where would students get such a mind set Jing? Their parents?  Manwha?  Why does there seem to be a lack of individual thought on their part or is this a misconception that has been amplified by media only?</p>
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		<title>By: wjk, 검은 머리 외국인</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/what-chinese-students-abroad-think/#comment-150802</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk, 검은 머리 외국인</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know, I was in a good mood after having my fill of an all you can eat sushi buffet (Only 9 bucks yo!), 

Chinese students and people aren’t brainwashed communist automatons as some critics are wont to believe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You're right.
The Chinese thing is more about selfishness than ignorance.  If they were ignorant, I wouldn't even have an issue with them.  It's because they're primarily greedy and selfish, that they believe they have a right to do such and such to African totalitarian govts, (yo, US does civilization building in Iraq, what does China do except sell weapons to kill people?)

North Korea, Burma, Tibet, etc.

One of the IndoChinese nations, Vietnam, another nation with a similar mindset to Han China, did something laugh factory worthy today.

Their communist party, pretty much an unrepented drone of the Chinese one, guaranteed the CCParty there will be no anti-Chinese protests in Vietnam during the Olympics thing.

I've never seen people of either nations pass up a good deal over helping someone in need.

Ok, maybe that's too vicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know, I was in a good mood after having my fill of an all you can eat sushi buffet (Only 9 bucks yo!), </p>
<p>Chinese students and people aren’t brainwashed communist automatons as some critics are wont to believe.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re right.<br />
The Chinese thing is more about selfishness than ignorance.  If they were ignorant, I wouldn&#8217;t even have an issue with them.  It&#8217;s because they&#8217;re primarily greedy and selfish, that they believe they have a right to do such and such to African totalitarian govts, (yo, US does civilization building in Iraq, what does China do except sell weapons to kill people?)</p>
<p>North Korea, Burma, Tibet, etc.</p>
<p>One of the IndoChinese nations, Vietnam, another nation with a similar mindset to Han China, did something laugh factory worthy today.</p>
<p>Their communist party, pretty much an unrepented drone of the Chinese one, guaranteed the CCParty there will be no anti-Chinese protests in Vietnam during the Olympics thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen people of either nations pass up a good deal over helping someone in need.</p>
<p>Ok, maybe that&#8217;s too vicious.</p>
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