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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150798</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>edit, 4th para: . . . how does the CCP &lt;i&gt;maintain&lt;/i&gt;their version of reality when many other nations do not share their casual attitudes towards human rights and other important issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edit, 4th para: . . . how does the CCP <i>maintain</i>their version of reality when many other nations do not share their casual attitudes towards human rights and other important issues?</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150796</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how "moral-midget" condescendingly attempts to re-explain my explicit words and dismiss them, claiming that I am just a China-hater -- all &lt;b&gt;without once offering and explanation of any of the links or talking points I have outlined before now.&lt;/b&gt;  

As I have mentioned before in passing, some positive accomplishments have been made by the CCP, which I will not pedantically sit and list herein, however, despite these accomplishments, there remain issues that are more than a little worrisome.  As per yet another example: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/feedarticle/7490967 , which basically is about how lawyers in China face Party interference, jail in some instances and harassment.  If one reads the article: &lt;blockquote&gt;. . . Even in otherwise unremarkable prosecutions for violent crimes and corruption, defense attorneys risk themselves becoming the targets of officials, and have been jailed for perjury on highly doubtful grounds, the report said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So how is it that China can build trust with any other civilized nation when such a government so blatantly interferes in any sort of due process — oh wait, the idea of legal fairness through judicial due process is a non-Chinese concept, just like others basic human rights.  Therein lies another problem: how does the CCP their version of reality when many other nations do not share their casual attitudes towards human rights and other important issues?

Mind you, the CCP spokesman dismisses the report as being “biased”.   The report link is www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/04/28/china18656.htm  thus the Party spokesperson is also adapt at misdirection and at least uses a greater array of adjectives than you do “midget”.

Combined with the flexible sense of history (as observed in China) that is more in service to the Party than any real standards of academic excellence (got you there) and the obvious fomenting of nationalism, there are more than a few legitimate concerns regarding the actions of China, after all, if any nation holds such economic and military power that China is accumulating, combined with blind, rampant nationalism . . . we have seen recipes like this before and they result in some of the worst bouts of atrocities and war that mankind has ever known.  Is it then racist or hating China to have doubts and worries about these things and is it normal to have so many younger Chinese show no worry and little insight over such issues?

I do not expect any real discussion of my questions or observations because your behavior has been dishonest and embodies the kind of intelligence that marks the difference between people of good faith and those who are essentially evil.  That you so avidly defend the policies of the CCP without acknowledging or demonstrating any insight to any of their faults or serious problems in ethics, governance, financial transparency, etc. demonstrates you are more used to deceit in its many and subtle forms.  

Change your name to "slander-master" and there would be more truth in that than any of your dodging *all* the valid observations and issues that I have mentioned, heretofore in any other thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how &#8220;moral-midget&#8221; condescendingly attempts to re-explain my explicit words and dismiss them, claiming that I am just a China-hater &#8212; all <b>without once offering and explanation of any of the links or talking points I have outlined before now.</b>  </p>
<p>As I have mentioned before in passing, some positive accomplishments have been made by the CCP, which I will not pedantically sit and list herein, however, despite these accomplishments, there remain issues that are more than a little worrisome.  As per yet another example: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/feedarticle/7490967" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/spor.....le/7490967</a> , which basically is about how lawyers in China face Party interference, jail in some instances and harassment.  If one reads the article:<br />
<blockquote>. . . Even in otherwise unremarkable prosecutions for violent crimes and corruption, defense attorneys risk themselves becoming the targets of officials, and have been jailed for perjury on highly doubtful grounds, the report said.</p></blockquote>
<p>So how is it that China can build trust with any other civilized nation when such a government so blatantly interferes in any sort of due process — oh wait, the idea of legal fairness through judicial due process is a non-Chinese concept, just like others basic human rights.  Therein lies another problem: how does the CCP their version of reality when many other nations do not share their casual attitudes towards human rights and other important issues?</p>
<p>Mind you, the CCP spokesman dismisses the report as being “biased”.   The report link is <a href="http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/04/28/china18656.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrw.org/english/doc.....a18656.htm</a>  thus the Party spokesperson is also adapt at misdirection and at least uses a greater array of adjectives than you do “midget”.</p>
<p>Combined with the flexible sense of history (as observed in China) that is more in service to the Party than any real standards of academic excellence (got you there) and the obvious fomenting of nationalism, there are more than a few legitimate concerns regarding the actions of China, after all, if any nation holds such economic and military power that China is accumulating, combined with blind, rampant nationalism . . . we have seen recipes like this before and they result in some of the worst bouts of atrocities and war that mankind has ever known.  Is it then racist or hating China to have doubts and worries about these things and is it normal to have so many younger Chinese show no worry and little insight over such issues?</p>
<p>I do not expect any real discussion of my questions or observations because your behavior has been dishonest and embodies the kind of intelligence that marks the difference between people of good faith and those who are essentially evil.  That you so avidly defend the policies of the CCP without acknowledging or demonstrating any insight to any of their faults or serious problems in ethics, governance, financial transparency, etc. demonstrates you are more used to deceit in its many and subtle forms.  </p>
<p>Change your name to &#8220;slander-master&#8221; and there would be more truth in that than any of your dodging *all* the valid observations and issues that I have mentioned, heretofore in any other thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150765</link>
		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forget the unnecessary "medication" jibe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forget the unnecessary &#8220;medication&#8221; jibe.</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150764</link>
		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MME makes some fair points when he takes his medication. 

It's even possible to answer them if you have the time:

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/govt-to-put-rioters-on-slow-boat-to-china/#comment-150739</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MME makes some fair points when he takes his medication. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s even possible to answer them if you have the time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/29/govt-to-put-rioters-on-slow-boat-to-china/#comment-150739" rel="nofollow">http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/.....ent-150739</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150760</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If I were R.Elgin, I would at a minimum insist on the removal of my moniker from MME’s handle for the win-win effect of stopping an offensive slur to R.Elgin and perhaps leaving his new Chinese guest with a more accurate handle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you sure MME is Chinese?  MME seems to be focusing attacks on Elgin and leaving others alone. The most effective response to a chain-yanking troll is silence.  Nothing frustrates a troll more than when a target won't bite.  The moment a commenter starts sounding creepily personal, I quit responding. It's hilarious when a frustrated troll ratchets up the personal insults and still no response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I were R.Elgin, I would at a minimum insist on the removal of my moniker from MME’s handle for the win-win effect of stopping an offensive slur to R.Elgin and perhaps leaving his new Chinese guest with a more accurate handle.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you sure MME is Chinese?  MME seems to be focusing attacks on Elgin and leaving others alone. The most effective response to a chain-yanking troll is silence.  Nothing frustrates a troll more than when a target won&#8217;t bite.  The moment a commenter starts sounding creepily personal, I quit responding. It&#8217;s hilarious when a frustrated troll ratchets up the personal insults and still no response.</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150748</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So you would agree then that the Japanese occupation of China was a positive action by a benevolent government? After all, living standards did improve…"

No, they didn't. Maybe in Korea and Taiwan, but not Mainland China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So you would agree then that the Japanese occupation of China was a positive action by a benevolent government? After all, living standards did improve…&#8221;</p>
<p>No, they didn&#8217;t. Maybe in Korea and Taiwan, but not Mainland China.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150746</link>
		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The government that’s presided over the greatest and fastest improvement in human living standards in history can’t be all that bad, now can it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you would agree then that the Japanese occupation of China was a positive action by a benevolent government?  After all, living standards did improve...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hipocracy and double standards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you're really going to harp on the hypocrisy angle, at least learn to spell it.  It's a lazy, ad hominem attack that makes you look like you can't debate an issue, but at least try not to look &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; stupid when using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The government that’s presided over the greatest and fastest improvement in human living standards in history can’t be all that bad, now can it?</p></blockquote>
<p>So you would agree then that the Japanese occupation of China was a positive action by a benevolent government?  After all, living standards did improve&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Hipocracy and double standards.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you&#8217;re really going to harp on the hypocrisy angle, at least learn to spell it.  It&#8217;s a lazy, ad hominem attack that makes you look like you can&#8217;t debate an issue, but at least try not to look <i>too</i> stupid when using it.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can read the People's Daily or Xinhua on line and get the same shit he's spewing, without most (but not all) of the insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can read the People&#8217;s Daily or Xinhua on line and get the same shit he&#8217;s spewing, without most (but not all) of the insults.</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/28/funniest-chinese-riot-line-today/#comment-150738</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slim: &lt;i&gt;the regime is successfully turning all these lemons into lemon Kool Aid and folks are lapping it up&lt;/i&gt;

Nice turn of phrase. 

Elgin: &lt;i&gt;Humm, that’s an idea Slim but leaving it serves to show how he stoops to personal attacks when his arguments are lacking.&lt;/i&gt;

You should leave his old comments up, but force him to choose a new userid NOW (and make sure everyone knows who it is). I'd hate to see "loser-81" every time I wrote a post, even seeing "mental midget Elgin" is annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slim: <i>the regime is successfully turning all these lemons into lemon Kool Aid and folks are lapping it up</i></p>
<p>Nice turn of phrase. </p>
<p>Elgin: <i>Humm, that’s an idea Slim but leaving it serves to show how he stoops to personal attacks when his arguments are lacking.</i></p>
<p>You should leave his old comments up, but force him to choose a new userid NOW (and make sure everyone knows who it is). I&#8217;d hate to see &#8220;loser-81&#8243; every time I wrote a post, even seeing &#8220;mental midget Elgin&#8221; is annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: MoralMidgetElgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoralMidgetElgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of crap Elg-o. Talk about switching the topic! From your own anti-Chinese biases to my character! Hmm...I see you've cooled down your anti-CCP rhetoric coz you knew you were in an indefensible position. The government that's presided over the greatest and fastest improvement in human living standards in history can't be all that bad, now can it? Good on you. I give you an electronic pat on the back. 

As for my handle, well, I just tell like it is, right, Elgy? Hipocracy and double standards. I know for a hardcore Righty (or lefty? I guess the political spectrum meets up at the extreme anyways) as yourself that morality is a virtue. You attack the Chinese and toss around weblinks, but I still contend you don't know squat about China.  The CCP does its best to improve people's lives. They're not crooks or thugs or mafioso. Their polticians who politick and horse-trade. They look out for their citizens welfares because they know they'll be in deep shit if they don't. They don't need ballots boxes to say so. At the very least their on par with Washington's "freely elected" Republicrats. But hey, what do you know about anything? You just contribute to a blog and teach English grammar to six-year olds. I guess that makes you a China expert, right?

Your attitude has been akin to the imperialists of old, telling people from other cultures how they should run their countries and turning up your rightous nose at anything that fails to square with your worldview. You jumped to the rescue of crooks and thugs in Lhasa a few weeks ago, and now you belittle a few rambunctious students. Way to go. What's the difference between a Tibetan Chinese and a Han Chinese? One is supported by Hollywood and the Western Establishment coz an old fart of a monk claims he's the reincarnated version of some god, the other are dirty Chinese here to steal our jobs and poison us with low quality wares.  

I'll keep my moniker as it is. To remind you, Elgy, of your true nature:  a morally bankrupt hippocrit who supports thugs and criminals and brings down peaceful students, who condones the beating death of innocent civilians in Lhasa, and the imprisonment of Muslism in American while attacking the CCP on purely ideological grounds.  

Your hatred and venom towards China and the great Chinese people is apparant, despite your attempts to cloak your racism under the banner of morality and human rights. Next time, get a thicker cloack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of crap Elg-o. Talk about switching the topic! From your own anti-Chinese biases to my character! Hmm&#8230;I see you&#8217;ve cooled down your anti-CCP rhetoric coz you knew you were in an indefensible position. The government that&#8217;s presided over the greatest and fastest improvement in human living standards in history can&#8217;t be all that bad, now can it? Good on you. I give you an electronic pat on the back. </p>
<p>As for my handle, well, I just tell like it is, right, Elgy? Hipocracy and double standards. I know for a hardcore Righty (or lefty? I guess the political spectrum meets up at the extreme anyways) as yourself that morality is a virtue. You attack the Chinese and toss around weblinks, but I still contend you don&#8217;t know squat about China.  The CCP does its best to improve people&#8217;s lives. They&#8217;re not crooks or thugs or mafioso. Their polticians who politick and horse-trade. They look out for their citizens welfares because they know they&#8217;ll be in deep shit if they don&#8217;t. They don&#8217;t need ballots boxes to say so. At the very least their on par with Washington&#8217;s &#8220;freely elected&#8221; Republicrats. But hey, what do you know about anything? You just contribute to a blog and teach English grammar to six-year olds. I guess that makes you a China expert, right?</p>
<p>Your attitude has been akin to the imperialists of old, telling people from other cultures how they should run their countries and turning up your rightous nose at anything that fails to square with your worldview. You jumped to the rescue of crooks and thugs in Lhasa a few weeks ago, and now you belittle a few rambunctious students. Way to go. What&#8217;s the difference between a Tibetan Chinese and a Han Chinese? One is supported by Hollywood and the Western Establishment coz an old fart of a monk claims he&#8217;s the reincarnated version of some god, the other are dirty Chinese here to steal our jobs and poison us with low quality wares.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep my moniker as it is. To remind you, Elgy, of your true nature:  a morally bankrupt hippocrit who supports thugs and criminals and brings down peaceful students, who condones the beating death of innocent civilians in Lhasa, and the imprisonment of Muslism in American while attacking the CCP on purely ideological grounds.  </p>
<p>Your hatred and venom towards China and the great Chinese people is apparant, despite your attempts to cloak your racism under the banner of morality and human rights. Next time, get a thicker cloack.</p>
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