Funniest Chinese Riot Line Today

That link to the photo album is amazing. Great to see a ground-level perspective of what was going on at the torch run.

I was intimidated. The propaganderthals did a pretty good job. I was there, too.

The overseas Chinese seems to be staunchly behind the CCP. They are even more hardcore than the Chinese in China. I thought there would be a few of them who would stand up to dictatorship. But natta, from talking to many of them.. they say the CNN, the West, white people are the ones creating problems for China. They are very proud of economically rising China and express their pride without hesitation.

I really it’s worded in a sort of facetious way, but it’s the attitude behind statements like that which are used by the CCP to whip up nationalist sentiment and defang any legitimate foreign criticism of Chinese policies and actions.

I’m wondering just where this generation of gullible and volatile only-children will find that “legitimate” criticism of which you speak. For that matter, I’m wondering about that great wave of introspection in the Muslim world that should have been trigged by the West’s collective decision to stop showing images of 9/11 on TV, or to refrain from criticizing the most repellent and misogynistic aspects of Islam. Can you cite any evidence that we’ve encouraged the more moderate elements of either society by abstaining from holding mirrors in front of their most thuggish members?

I think the answer can be found in the cartoon riots.

So far from the mark, its not even funny. What a load of racist bullcrap.

Oh no! Those dirty Chinese don’t agree with our world view! Let’s bash them good!

Oh no! They don’t accept out values! Let’s learn’em good and westernize ‘em. Then they’ll learn to appreciate us.

Meanwhile, let’s apply double standards and hide behind our broken morality and the shield of “human rights!”

Whatever, how typically naive of you all. Those protestors were friendly and polite. Naturally, you’ve let yourselves be brainwashed by the media and by your own misconceptions about Chinese society. I was there the entire time, following the protestors. This is absolute BS of the first degree. It was a peaceful demonstration, by all accounts, save a few incidents and a few people. Total BS. Shame on this site and all of you for spreading lies.

Remember when the whole world was ripping on those braindead Iraqi IED fodder who invaded and colonized Iraq? Most Americans didn’t appreciate that all that much, did they? Most Americans were downright indignant, where’nt they? They said “Mind your own business France, Russia and Germany. We don’t care about you or your opinions.” I guess now you know why the Chinese were so angry.

I was at the relay. Both at the beginning in the Olympic Park and at the end by City Hall (I was at the Uri-LG game in between). From what I saw, and I’m only relating what I saw, the vast majority of Chinese flag wavers were peaceful, and I certainly saw a lot of Chinese flag wavers.

I’ve been to enough soccer games to know how these things go when you get large numbers of people banding together to support some cause with the “opposing” cause only metres away. You can speculate whether everyone from (name virtually any European or South American soccer playing nation) is an asshole because of trouble at soccer games if you like. Whether its rhetorical or hyperbolic or sarcastic, it’s not very helpful, and at the least rather simplistic.

Obviously there are some people who, by the looks of the photos and videos, were out of control and probably broke the law, but as I say, the experience I had was of many peaceful people who just wanted to take photos and wave their flags and were certainly not looking for trouble.

Now I doubt very much that you could get virtually every Canadian in Korea to turn out in Seoul to demonstrate the oneness of Canada, even if the embassy was giving away free Maple Leafs, but I think we should cut the Chinese some slack. Last I checked we haven’t exactly abolished idiocy in the West.

Hands up anyone who thinks MoralMidgetElgin is getting Chinese pussy right now.

Does anyone else see parallels between Germany coming out of their impotent Wiemar period with these schmucks? Olympics in 1936, war in 1939, anyone? We’ll teach the world to respect us?

man i must be old because those demonstrators yesterday reminded me of the old red guard from the cultural revolution except they aint in china

somewhere mao is smiling

WRONG, Elgy, et al. I think you should chuck out that version of Webster’s your using and invest in a good dictionary. Or take Polisci 101.

China is authoritarian.

A totaltarian state is one in which the government tries to dominate all aspects of life, like Stalinist Russia or North Korea. CCP doesn’t dominate all aspects of life. Far from it. It might put some controls in place here and there, but it’s no 1984. It’s no USSR. It’s no Saudi Arabia. And, at least the people live free of fear, which is more than can be said for Iraq.

You can say whatever you want in China. . You can critisize government policy till the cows come home. Secret police aren’t waiting around every corner to catch dissidents. Renmin Ribao even has a special editorial section where you write in complaints. Beijing has a petition office where those with grievences can come to complain. And, let’s not forget about the thousands upon thousands of protests that occur each year over issues like land rights and taxation. Those folks aren’t carted off to work camps. Concentration camps don’t exist in China. But I do know of one such einstitution on a certain leased section of Cuba.

The lies continue. Elgy, you have yet to say one truth regarding China. Everything you’ve said is filtered through your ideological filter and rationalized to support your untenable position. You want to see China go down in flames because its system and it’s people’s way of life don’t square with what you’ve been taught is correct. You’ve been led to believe that, as a Westerner, your values and morality are universalistic and welcomed by all mankind. Newsflash, Elg, their not. A government that gives people freedom to choose their life and be happy is a good government. A government that constantly strives to improve the lives of its people, despite lack of Western institutions like voting, is a good government. The CCP has its faults, but the crap that goes on here is beyond those faults. Lies and distortions are what you peddle in.

What you dont realize is that all this needless bias and anti-Chinese rhetoric does nothing but fan the flames of hatred and nationalism. A self-fullfiling prophecy? Absolutly. You want China to be the enemy, so you’ll make it the enemy. Just wait and see. Right now, the Chinese are not our enemy. The greatest danger to Western civilization is not China. It’s the lies and distortions that pass for truth and are accepted with out factchecking. China is not our enemy now, but believe you me, it will be if xenophobic, biases attitudes like this keep up.

eujin: just make sure it’s mixed teams, and not expats vs. kyopos or something.

i’m in.

Actually, Chinese nationals who study abroad with government financial assistance are given a propaganda course before leaving china and are required to check in twice a week. I know this because I studies with Chinese nationals during my masters.

In addition, like the muslims and their saudi funded students groups, the CCP is able to keep relative control over overseas students by funding and controlling overseas chinese students groups. Those who do not pull the CCP line are harassed as race-traitors and the like.

The race-centered nationalism of the han chinese is going to become a major global issue in the future.

I am not going to defend the behavior of the Chinese “students” in Seoul. But as a first gen Chinese-American and NK Human Rights Activist, I want to show everyone that not every Chinese person are nationalistic and prone to violence.

I am from Hong Kong and the resident there have proven they are capable of holding peaceful demonstrations.

Think of these students like the rubes protesting the Berkeley recruiting center, except with a dash of nationalism and a lot more of them.

Now, for many of them this is probably the first time they even heard of North Korean Human Rights. Chances are they lumped them with the fire extinguisher wielding Free Tibet folks and acted accordingly.

My hope is that most of these protesters are reasonable people and would look into our cause. A good start is the DailyNK which is also published in Chinese.

Joshua: I’m guessing the “Master Race” act will not be popular in South Korea.

I’m afraid it ain’t an act.

Well said, svend.

The reason a regular Chinese dude will think that HE is the object of the protest is because the CCP has changed the ideology of the party from communist to Defenders of Han-Chinese Glory From Outside Barbarians. This change has been very effective, and as I said before, is going to be a major problem in the future. The greatest weakness of the HCGFOB paradigm is that the Muslims, Tibetans, Koreans and Mongolians who reside in China (among others) will likely have a few points of objection with the new cultural focus of “their” government.

Shall we ask the relevant questions about how this might alter assumptions about Chinese immigration to the West and the myth of the “model minority”? Nah.

I too have been struck by the similarities between the anti-CNN movement by Chinese nationalists and the various reactions in the Muslim world to, say, Salman Rushdie’s book and, recently, the Danish cartoons. Mindless unreason and a herd mentality are the common denominators.

The Rushdie book burnings involved people who not only hadn’t read Satanic Verses, but couldn’t because they were illiterate. (Presumably, they were selectively told about the contents). A PRChinese journalist in Washington told me last week that what she found baffling about the anti-CNN uproar is that CNN is not available to ordinary Chinese, who are getting a very selective version of that network’s alleged distortions.

Jing, you’re high.

1. Chinese arms company NORINCO (owned by the Chinese military) was recently revealed to have been trying to sell half a million AK47s and 10 million rounds of ammo to Libya, via middlemen in the Italian mafia. The AK47 is an elderly weapon (60+ years old), and even the Libyans wouldn’t use it to equip their armed forces nowadays. And 500,000 guns would way oversupply the Libyan military, which is only 100,000. The likely end customers? Various revolutionary groups (i.e. terrorists) in Africa and around the world. In other words, Gaddafi is up to his usual mischief and China is all too willing to oblige him, for the right price of course.

2. New Chinese bomber aircraft are showing up in Sudan, no doubt violating one toothless UN resolution or another. Improved bombers will allow the Khartoum regime to better kill their own people in Darfur and elsewhere in the country. China doesn’t care, as long as they are paid and the oil keeps flowing.

3. Last week a Chinese merchant vessel full of weapons for the detestable regime of Robert Mugabe in (landlocked) Zimbabwe showed up in Durban, South Africa for unloading. The contents of the Chinese shipment include, according to the Guardian (UK):

… 3.5m rounds of ammunition for AK47 assault rifles and for small arms, 1,500 40mm rockets, 2,500 mortar shells of 60mm and 81mm calibre, as well as 93 cases of mortar tubes

These supplies will naturally allow Mugabe’s thugs to better brutalize and terrorize his own people, who are languishing under nearly 30 years of Mugabe’s tyranny. Mugabe’s continued rule is at least in part underwritten by his backers in Beijing. The dockworkers in Durban, to their credit, refused to handle or offload the cargo.

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Get you head out of the sand. Chinese soldiers are deep in the Sudan.

Not to defend the Chinese on human rights or their choice of friends, but I wouldn’t support a boycot or round of protests related to a future Olympic Games in the United States based on American support for Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, and other authoritarian regimes.

Jing, don’t bother arguing with these folk. They’re set in their ways and blinded by their ancient cold war ideologies. “CCP is bad because the USSR was communist and the communists were our ‘enemies.’” That how folks around here think.

Of course, they offer no proof of these supposed human rights violations, other than hearsay and isolated incidents. They want to bash China because they want to see China fail because that’s what the media and politicians tell them to think. They think their making “free choices” but they’re not. They’re just rationalizing away the truth to support their ideology. I doubt one person on this site has done indiependent reading on China, visited the country with an open mind, or questioned their own assumptions regarding these issues. They don’t. They just accept what they hear as fact. It’s obviouse they do this because their view doesn’t square with reality on the ground in China.

China’s foreign policy is refreshingly pragmatic. China gets flack from morally-bankrupt American hippocrits for persuing economic development. Yet, these same hippocrits turn a blind eye to U.S. atrocities in Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and other U.S. puppet regimes. China gets flack because it doesn’t ask “how high?” when America says “jump.” Plain and simple. U.S. have supported more than its fair share of currupt tin-pot dictatorships and American hippocrits apply their double standards and rationalize it away as “necessary for democracy” or some other B.S.

China is not the enemy of the U.S. Chinese people have good feelings towards Americans and Westerners. For now. But incessent anti-Chinese rants, distoritions and lies will no doubt have an effect.

#53: “Unlike Uncle Sam, …”
#56: “China gets flack from morally-bankrupt American hippocrits for persuing economic development.”

But it’s not just Americans who are critical of China’s human rights abuses, its occupation of Tibet, its repatriation of North Korean refugees, etc.

“Of course, they offer no proof of these supposed human rights violations, other than hearsay and isolated incidents. They want to bash China because they want to see China fail because that’s what the media and politicians tell them to think.”

Don’t try telling us that Chinese human rights abuses can be dismissed as “hearsay and isolated incidents.” I’m impressed with China’s progress, not convinced they are the enemy, not in favor of some of the torch relay protests that have occurred, and also unhappy with what I see as some examples of American hypocrisy in foreign policy, but that doesn’t mean I should therefore ignore the authoritarian nature and actions of the Chinese government.

“Let me ask, in the Land of the Free that apparently is the People’s Republic of China, how many Chinese are protesting China’s bankrolling of North Korea, Burma and Zimbabwe?”

Marmot, few or none. Even if they were free to do so – which, in all probability, they are not – they probably wouldn’t care enough about it to get out and protest. As you pointed out, in the United States there are thousands, even millions, of people who are interested enough in issues – domestic or foreign – to make heir voices heard. And, best of all, they are free to exercise that right.

Internal Chinese politics is one thing. Shipping refugees back to North Korea when there’s other countries willing to take them is just plain evil. No way around that.

They don’t protest, because they don’t care

Wow. I wish I could channel the collective anima of over a billion people, like you can. That must be truly magical.

If every dissident in China were arrested and monitored, you’d have 1 billion people living in jail.

That’s an amazing multiplicity of opinion in a group you feel so comfortable painting as a monolithic opinion block in your previous comments. I suppose that, with so many dissidents, it’s not surprising that the CCP takes a targeted approach… like they have with Falun Gong, the Panchen Lama, and Hu Jia.

I have to agree with MoralMidgetElgin. This site is pretty discusting in the way people constantly attack China. I live in China and I can say this all lies. You people are sick and disturbed, How can you attack my country so viciously? You have no right. Communist Party of China is good and wise. They take care of its people. They make China strong. China is not a jail. I can leave whenever I want. I can do whatever I want.

I agree you all talk out your asses. Falun Gong and Tibetan splitists are criminals, like the mafia and terrorists. That damange society and make life difficult. Religion must be banned. It is bad for the people. Free speech must be limited, or else we’ll get out of control. China is a good and harmounious society. You are all fools.

It’s funny… When the Tibetans go on the rampaging race riot and beat up innocent civilians, they get the world’s sympathy and bleeding-heart activists from all over the world step up to protest for them.

When Chinese students peacefully protests, it’s called a riot and it’s blown out of proportion. Participants are called deranged robots, fascists, brownshirts, and red guards. The world dumps their scorn on the evil han Chinese.

Talk about double standards!

Why is anyone “debating” a person who went to a violent rally, widely documented with photographs and now being prosecuted by South Korean authorities who are normally loathe to upset China, and saw only a peaceful demonstration?

MME seems delusional and a troll to many here, but those points all represent rote Party-line stuff, which, like all propaganda that succeeds in sustaining false consciousness, contains kernels of fact and truth. It doesn’t work well on those with wider bases of comparison, the skepticism that comes with citizenship in free societies, and access to the whole picture.

Claims that China is still one big prison are as preposterous as asserting that China has one billion dissidents and these will be spun into new propaganda. However much world opinion may be souring on China (and I’m not sure that is happening), clearly at home the regime is successfully turning all these lemons into lemon Kool Aid and folks are lapping it up.

If I were R.Elgin, I would at a minimum insist on the removal of my moniker from MME’s handle for the win-win effect of stopping an offensive slur to R.Elgin and perhaps leaving his new Chinese guest with a more accurate handle.

What a load of crap Elg-o. Talk about switching the topic! From your own anti-Chinese biases to my character! Hmm…I see you’ve cooled down your anti-CCP rhetoric coz you knew you were in an indefensible position. The government that’s presided over the greatest and fastest improvement in human living standards in history can’t be all that bad, now can it? Good on you. I give you an electronic pat on the back.

As for my handle, well, I just tell like it is, right, Elgy? Hipocracy and double standards. I know for a hardcore Righty (or lefty? I guess the political spectrum meets up at the extreme anyways) as yourself that morality is a virtue. You attack the Chinese and toss around weblinks, but I still contend you don’t know squat about China. The CCP does its best to improve people’s lives. They’re not crooks or thugs or mafioso. Their polticians who politick and horse-trade. They look out for their citizens welfares because they know they’ll be in deep shit if they don’t. They don’t need ballots boxes to say so. At the very least their on par with Washington’s “freely elected” Republicrats. But hey, what do you know about anything? You just contribute to a blog and teach English grammar to six-year olds. I guess that makes you a China expert, right?

Your attitude has been akin to the imperialists of old, telling people from other cultures how they should run their countries and turning up your rightous nose at anything that fails to square with your worldview. You jumped to the rescue of crooks and thugs in Lhasa a few weeks ago, and now you belittle a few rambunctious students. Way to go. What’s the difference between a Tibetan Chinese and a Han Chinese? One is supported by Hollywood and the Western Establishment coz an old fart of a monk claims he’s the reincarnated version of some god, the other are dirty Chinese here to steal our jobs and poison us with low quality wares.

I’ll keep my moniker as it is. To remind you, Elgy, of your true nature: a morally bankrupt hippocrit who supports thugs and criminals and brings down peaceful students, who condones the beating death of innocent civilians in Lhasa, and the imprisonment of Muslism in American while attacking the CCP on purely ideological grounds.

Your hatred and venom towards China and the great Chinese people is apparant, despite your attempts to cloak your racism under the banner of morality and human rights. Next time, get a thicker cloack.

We can read the People’s Daily or Xinhua on line and get the same shit he’s spewing, without most (but not all) of the insults.

“So you would agree then that the Japanese occupation of China was a positive action by a benevolent government? After all, living standards did improve…”

No, they didn’t. Maybe in Korea and Taiwan, but not Mainland China.

MME makes some fair points when he takes his medication.

It’s even possible to answer them if you have the time:

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