well done go to get bonus from your CIA boss you fucking stupid jerk.

TERENCE WROTE Yelling, shouting, protesting without even know about the whole story is a stupid behavior. I meant at least go to China once and live there.

Who are you talking about? The Chinese students at the torch relay in South Korea? Yes, I agree, they were stupid. But I thought they lived most of their lives in China….

By the way, how many Chinese who call the Dalai Lama names and accuse him of all sorts of conspiracies and crimes have lived in Tibet? How many have seriously talked to Tibetans (interrogation does not count)? How many have listened to the Dalai Lama speak or read his books?

Common response to criticism of China is, “have you have lived in China?” First how do you know we have not been to China? Second, what parts of China will give “truth” about China. I am guessing prison is one place. It might be one of the few places where you can find people unafraid to speak critically of China’s government. Third, saying people can only have opinions and thoughts about issues they experience makes no sense as an absolute idea. I do not need to experience child abuse to know child abuse is wrong. I do not have to starve to imagine that starving is unpleasant. If the standard is people can only talk about what they personally experience, then why study philosophy, history, economics, anthropology, sociology, etc. All these things require learning and thinking about events and ideas through second hand information. This would mean a woman cannot have an opinion about military because she cannot be in combat. Yes, personal experience is an important way to reach understanding, but not always necessary. Plus there is danger that people make too much of their individual experience, assuming it is universal, and then making wrong conclusion. An example is a CCP member thinking that all Chinese people think CCP is wonderful because he cannot see beyond the privileged life of being a CCP member.

WAIZ WROTE CCP is wonderful. Way better than democrats and republicans. Americans pertend to be a democracy, but their country is controlled by the rich. Americans have no real freedoms, unless they are rich. CCP listens to the people. It helps the people. It’s fair.

How do you pretend to be a democracy? Is it you hold elections with one-party rule, making voting mandatory, then claim unanimous victory by your party with 99.9%?

I am not bothered by your criticism of US government. We do it all the time here in the US. Everywhere our President goes, inside US and outside the country, people protest him and America. That is one of the great things in free and democratic societies.

Democracy does not guarantee great or benevolent leaders, but it makes sure that they are not the only voices to have a say in the governing of this country. There are checks and balances, the Constituition, etc. People also get to vote them out of office at next election. Government is slave to voters, not people are slave to government. In China, if CCP is not benevolent, what is the alternative? How can you say that the CCP listens to the people, when China is a country without free speech and free press? News negative to CCP, youtube videos negative to CCP is blocked. Journalists like Wang Dejia or Li Yuanlong getting arrested for articles critical of CCP.

Anyway, your criticism is not really against democracy but that US does not practice it correctly. This means you agree that democracy is a good thing, only US not doing it correctly. If this is the case, then China should practice it, and do a better job than US. China can become shining example to the world of democracy. Many people, including me, hope for this.

Okay, I do not know why I let myself get involved in this back and forth with propaganda tools. I think from now on I will let their nonsense words speak for themselves. Otherwise, I can see this becoming a pointless circle. But here is an article a Chinese person who has lived both in China and Tibet wrote. But even she is attacked for criticism of CCP.

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2.....-my-shame/

Lol… looks like the Chinese Invasion has begun. Run for your life before you get your virtual asses poked by virtual Chinese flag poles!

I sincerely do hope Beijing Olympics is a success because I’m a general fan of the Olympics (despite all its shortcomings). I love watching almost all events except baseball (boring as hell) and track, and the marathon recharges my faith in humanity for the next four years and implicitly tell me, “Hey, if that guy can run 26 miles…”

But you are living a pipe-dream if you think Olympics doesn’t have anything to do with politics. Sure, ideally it should be free of politics. But ideally, UN should be corruption-free, efficient political body without vested national interests, and ideally, lobbyists in U.S. should only be able to go talk to the senators, rather than paying for their extravagant plane trips to God knows where.

And remember that, while the Tibet situation involved violence on both sides, during the protests the pro-China sides had the general monopoly on the violence. The problem also exist in that, under the premise of nationalism, one cannot reflect and self-criticize.

Same problem exists to a certain level in all countries (South Korea not being an exception… not even close). But just because United States is involved in morally questionable situations doesn’t mean that an American cannot criticize other governments. In fact, the greatest thing about U.S. is that the same American can turn around and refer to his/her president as a chimp or question the vice president’s sanity without fearing any repercussion. Say what you will about Iraq and the idiots in the White House - if there were no freedom of expression or political fluidity, U.S. would still have been going about Iraq the stupid way (instead of Petraus’s way… not perfect, but definitely better). Can anyone say the same for China? Has any Chinese younger than 19 years old even seen the picture of the Chinese protester standing up to a column of tanks in Tiananmen?

Admitting the problem is the first step towards fixing the problem. Screaming at the top of the lung that CNN is a liar isn’t convincing anybody.

Say you heard from your friends that X is a bad person. Without trying to know more about X, you go insult X, burn his apartment, kill his family. Is that really a wise behaviour? Why dont you try to know X personally. If X is really a bad person, then correcting him is the best way. Calling X names is just a counter productive behaviour. Let alone his family has nothing to do with it.

Olympics has nothing do with human rights in China. Does protesting help at all? I will let you think about it.

This board is for loser English teachers and other assorted lost causes. Don’t forget: most English teachers are unemployable and went to shyte universities. By definition, they are not the brightest lots. After all, if they were smart enough to get a real job, they’d get one!

Awesome trolling, 10/10

I don’t think Chinese internet vigilantes have noticed the Marmot’s Hole yet, but if we keep posting on the torch relay, they might.

They have over at AsiaFinest Forum; Robert’s also been linked by Global Voices, which gets a lot of Chinese traffic, so I’m sure you’ll get a massive influx of Chinese here.

I’d LOVE to have curbstomped those loser white folks trying to split China.

lol, successful troll is successful.

China doesn’t interfer in Burma and North Korea. Those people should deal with their governments. Chinese government is not responsible for those.

but China has interfered in these places. Why do you think that China is called “big brother” by Myanmar or has given material aid to them as well as North Korea?

. . . their country is controlled by the rich. Americans have no real freedoms, unless they are rich. CCP listens to the people. It helps the people. It’s fair.

Oh, no . . . now that’s rich. Just how many millionaires do you suppose are in China just now and how many do you think there will be in ten years and do you think that they know influential people in the Party?

After so many people’s houses were demolished, in Beijing, due to the games and after the games are done, just who do you think will profit from the planned urban development that is to occur in Beijing and do you think they will make money from this?

Now if you had complained that dung smells, I could understand that but to proclaim the smell of your own dung as sweet while other’s reeks? You almost sound just like an American from the 50’s. . . you are too funny!

The olympics will be a success and your cause will fail. You are misguided. Why don’t you learn something about Chinese life, instead of complaining so much? CCP is wonderful. Way better than democrats and republicans. Americans pertend to be a democracy, but their country is controlled by the rich. Americans have no real freedoms, unless they are rich. CCP listens to the people. It helps the people. It’s fair.

By the way, I am not saying do not have the Olympics. Do have the Olympics. Let the athletes who have worked all their life for the day. Me, I will not watch Olympics or spend money on it. One, because I think Olympics is pretty boring. Two, because like giving the athletes a chance, I also think the world should give people of Tibet, Burma, Sudan, North Korea, a chance These people never trained for a sporting event all their life, but they have suffered all their life and they also deserve a chance.