A Seoul court has found guilty a school headmaster who was caught using his cell phone camera on a bus to take photos of a skirt-wearing high school student’s thighs.
The bench ruled that although the photos were taken in a public place and the girl’s thighs were exposed by her own choice, the photos could still provoke feelings of sexual desire or shame, and therefore it was illegal to take them against her will.
The headmaster, who was returning home after a night of drinking one night last October, snapped the photos of the legs of the student, who was sitting next to him wearing a short one-piece dress. When she protested, he pushed her hands and hit her in the face.
For this, he was fined 1 million won.
The defendant told the court he was trying to take a photo of his face, but accidentally photographed the girl’s legs since the bus was shaking.
The court, however, didn’t buy it.
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Sounds like he was trying to capture some spank material on his way home!
You think he will lose his job over this?
I fairly certain it’s a “no”!
The foreign teacher at the school most definitely put him up to it.
he should have just goaded her into doing love shots with him.
I blame American culture for his behavior!
“The defendant told the court he was trying to take a photo of his face, but accidentally photographed the girl’s legs since the bus was shaking.”
i mean, really? that’s his excuse? wow.
Korea should ban alcohol, it will reduce all kinds of adjussi crimes.
Or ban adjosshis!!!
Criminal record checks, AIDS and drug tests for all principals, stat!
Why must some of you make snarky remarks on every posts that have nothing to do with foreigners? This is one reason why people like pawi get their attitude.
Are we supposed to skim past this thread completely and have it be the sole domain of Koreans and Kyobos? What are you proposing? Once again cm, you seem to be against anyone having an opinion or making a remark about something.
As far as us being snarky, this certainly invites snarkiness. If the guy doesn’t want snarky remarks made about him, he shouldn’t treat people as if they are idiots. The bus must have gone off the road and was bouncing down a hill for him to miss his face and take a picture of a girl’s legs instead.
Oh, and meanwhile he should quit being a fucking perv if he doesn’t like these kinds of remarks. And what the f do you care? You’re standing up for him because what?, he’s a Korean? Fuck him! You should join us in condemning this freak.
“Korea should ban alcohol, it will reduce all kinds of adjussi crimes.”
At home we have “the drunk tank”. Maybe every Western country has that? Anyway, Korea would be SO MUCH BETTER if it implemented (sp?) the drunk tank.
I think cm should once again put us arrogant Americans in our place by reminding us that China is our banker and has already surpassed us.
“.. his face”?? and where exactly did the D.O.B. (Dirty Old B*stard)have his face?
Because, CM, if you can’t see the parallels and the manner that the Corean media has treated similar cases vis-a-vis byeontae Coreans and foreigners, then, my son, you are just too fuckin far gone. Time to wash down yer KKKimchee with some KKKorean KKKoolaid.
“I think cm should once again put us arrogant Americans in our place by reminding us that China is our banker and has already surpassed us.”
Now that you mention it. It’s true, US has like a trllion dollars in I owe you’s to China. They’ve surpassed you in that regard. I don’t know why you would bring this up here though other than to be confrontational. But I can certainly understand where those Chinese are coming from when they say arrogant and annoying Americans and their holier than thou attitudes.
“Because, CM, if you can’t see the parallels and the manner that the Corean media has treated similar cases vis-a-vis byeontae Coreans and foreigners, then, my son, you are just too fuckin far gone. Time to wash down yer KKKimchee with some KKKorean KKKoolaid.”
Hey, I love those, I can wash them down, while I enjoy your ugly avatar of yourself.
“If the guy doesn’t want snarky remarks made about him, he shouldn’t treat people as if they are idiots. ”
I don’t care if you make a snarky remark about the guy. But why bring foreigners into this, and turn it another foreigner vs Korean thing again? Does every post must get turn into one?
The problem with the Kyopos here is that they seem to be very eager to go up against anyone who criticizes Korea or Koreans, even though the said criticism is valid.
Kind of makes one wonder whether the concept of a smart and reasonable Kyopo exists.
“The problem with the Kyopos here is that they seem to be very eager to go up against anyone who criticizes Korea or Koreans, even though the said criticism is valid.”
Andy, talk about generalizations……
I thought cm had a valid point in #9. It was about a (presumably, if we don’t believe his assertion, which I personally don’t) dirty old Korean ahujshi. Exactly what this had to do with American culture and foreign teachers is beyond me. Made some of the Westerners on this thread seem like they had too big a chip on their shoulder as it had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC.
And yes, I am an American of Korean descent…hence a kyopo. If this makes you think that somehow this takes away from my credibility and the validity of my response, then all I say is you have some personal issues with which you need to deal.
Sonagi, @ 12, why jump on the Andy/JohnT/Goat bandwagon, too? If you feel cm’s remark in #9 was totally wrong, please say why rather than appear so immature and bitter in your #12 remark? Aren’t you one of contributing writers on this blog? Is so, I am sure you have the ability to address what he had said reasonably and without making yourself look kind of silly with such off an off-topic response.
No byuntaes exist in Korea. It’s all Japan’s fault. Korea can’t do anything by herself. Koreans don’t have minds to think for themselves. We Koreans are at the mercy of Japan to do the thinking all for us.
“The problem with the Kyopos here is that they seem to be very eager to go up against anyone who criticizes Korea or Koreans, even though the said criticism is valid.”
Same right back at you. Criticize the expats with their shit stuck up their ass and you get the same old tiring “you can’t criticize Korea or Koreans”.
Once again the question begs to be answered, what has this got to do with foreigners, and furthermore doesn’t it go against the conventional theory that only foreigner crimes are ever reported?
“Criminal record checks, AIDS and drug tests for all principals, stat!”
Most Korean men get HIV tests during their military service.
Please get your descriptive adjectives straight. My comment was snarky, not immature or bitter. Kids aren’t sophisticated enough in their thinking or language to make the snarky comments found in this thread.
I don’t recall anyone making that absurd claim. What commenters have complained about is the sensationalizing of crimes involving foreign suspects, something that probably happens to a certain extent in almost any country. Look at our blogger host’s Gravatar.
Comment #12 was off-topic, and there is already plenty of bickering on the thread, so I withdraw the comment.
sonagi, i like ur post. i think u r more of occidentalism.com type than marmot hole type. why did u stop blogging at occi and came here?
“I don’t recall anyone making that absurd claim. What commenters have complained about is the sensationalizing of crimes involving foreign suspects, something that probably happens to a certain extent in almost any country. ”
The headline is a sensational story about a crime by a Korean. They didn’t say it was a foreigner. What’s there to complain about this story?
JK and cm, there is a certain amount of exaggeration in the humor expressed. I often think Pawi is just intent on pressing people’s buttons and I think some of these comments aren’t to be taken seriously. Why are you so sensitive?
I don’t think we’re going to really ban adjossis in the near future, but perhaps they could curtail some of their drinking. It wouldn’t hurt. It would be nice to go down the street at noon and find more than a third of the stores open. And when they do get drunk and out of line it would be nice to see that they get more than a suspended sentence, a slap on the wrist and a written excuse for their wives about their whereabouts.
The new visa requirements are okay and I would even say expected but their inpetus was knee-jerk lizard-brained and little was done in the form of preparedness. There certainly seems to be little consensus as to exactly what is required from the experts supposedly in charge and they certainly didn’t give any heads up to the countries they are demanding cooperate in these disclosures. And how does a single minister enact such a far-reaching bit of law without any input from the national assembly or anyone else?
The sexualization of school girls is a bit messed up don’t you think?
Now if you take exception to any of these issues make a counter argument or if you believe any of these issues is off topic then say so. If you want to make a specific criticism of something going on in the States or Canada then make it. There’s plenty of messed up stuff and I’ll for the most part agree with you and not get my feelings hurt. But don’t criticise Expatana or Expatia as if it were my country and I somehow share in its culture. I don’t so your criticisms come off as delusional and their target a myth.
And don’t tell me there are threads here off limits to me because it has nothing to do with me. If it’s here and I haven’t been banned it’s open fodder.
And the people criticising Kyobos as if they were all the same are full of shit too.
What Maddlew said. I got no problem with sensationalized reporting of foreigner crimes in the media. Happens the world over (though usually the media is focussed on the dirty foreigners unrightfully taking wealth from the natives, not purity from their daughters). My beef is with an idiotic government that enacts immigration regulations based on sensationalized news reporting. And the regs. don’t even affect me, but I can still see how absurd and basely xenophobic their implementation was.
I think we’d all be better off if the school girls wore pants.
If someone harms your child you have the right, by law, to
harm them…….you can do anything if you set your
mind to it.
But tight pants can also be dangerous for our helpless potential female victims. Skirts, pants, shorts - all dangerous. The only way to go is the hajib!
The story has not been sensationalized. The story, a one-page write-up sans photos, cartoons, or other images, has quickly slipped off the front page of the 사회 section; Navering reveals only one page of links and one whole blog post! Sensational! And here’s the punchline: the most rec’d comment on the YTN story thread at Naver blames Japan:
“일본친구가 그런얘기를 한적 있어요”
from http://news.naver.com/main/rea.....0002058324
maddlew, as a gyopo, i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i don’t think most of the gyopo readers here are sensitive to expats making fun of the korean media or ahjussis. most of us who have lived in korea know that korea has lot of faults and we all know the korean media and ahjussis deserve lot of criticisms. what most gyopos are saying in this thread is why on a post about korean on korean crime does someone have to bring in the foreigner aspect. i think it’s legit for anyone to ask why someone would comment about foreigners when it does not involve a foreigner.
Well, okay, the commenter didn’t really blame Japan, but it’s still funny to see Japan’s name crop up in the title of the most rec’d comment.
and trust me, i get pissed off at korean netizens more when they make sweeping generalizing comments about others. well i used to. i don’t take them seriously anymore.
“what most gyopos are saying in this thread is why on a post about korean on korean crime does someone have to bring in the foreigner aspect. i think it’s legit for anyone to ask why someone would comment about foreigners when it does not involve a foreigner.”
THANK YOU, seoulmilk, for underlying what I and cm were saying (which apparently Maddlew didn’t get). Never ONCE have I (or any other kyopo on this thread that I am aware of) denied that what happened with the Korean ahjushi was plain MESSED UP as is binge-drinking and the sexualization of young girls (in ANY country). AND THE KOREAN PAPERS COVERED THIS INCIDENT!!!!
But how did the supposedly persecuted Western foreigner get brought into this? And WHO brought it up? Western foreigners. And I think ALL will admit, it was kind of off-topic. Yet it seems a sin for a kyopo to bring up the fact that it WAS off-topic.
“it’s still funny to see Japan’s name crop up in the title of the most rec’d comment.”
It really is. I can think of no other country in the world besides Korea where the first line of action in response to breaking news of a tragic or negative incident is to mention something about another country. Can you imagine?
A massacre occured at Columbine High School in the US.
- Korean style response by an American: Really? I heard that Japan has alot of high school violence.
The Sampoong Department store collapsed killing hundreds. It was found that inspectors took bribes to overlook shoddy construction.
- Korean style response by Korean (It’s funny, but this was actually probably said by millions of Koreans): So what? Japan’s buildings fall down in earthquakes.
Hugh Grant was arrested for soliciting a crack whore prostitute.
- Korean style response by a Brit: Japan has alot of crack whores…uh, by the way, who is Hugh Grant?
It’s damn funny when you do this and juxtapose the Korean penchant and obsession for Japan to other countries. You can see the utter stupidity and child-like jealous inferiority complex of Japan by Koreans so clearly, it’s downright embarrassing. Korea really is like an obsessed stalker, stalking Japan 24/7. I seriously think it will take about another five hundred years before they can get over this complex.
I think the problem with some of the comments here is that they’re operating under the assumption that there are only two sides in a given topic. Don’t agree with an ‘expat’ opinion? Well, I guess that means you’re a crazy ultranationalist Korean nut. Don’t agree with a ‘gyopo’ or a Korean? Well, screw you, you American bastard!
Why can’t someone who finds great fault in the structure or operation of Korean society also find fault in the arguments that criticize Korean society? Is this a football game? Are Robert, Sonagi, Elgin, and other bloggers centers who shout ‘hike!’?
I do find it very strange that, in a thread about a perverted Korean guy taking … indecent pictures of high school girls, the discussion rapidly (in 2 posts) turns into media sensationalism about foreigner crime. Either that’s one helluva emotional baggage or… well, I don’t know what else that is.
I’m glad this headmaster got fired (I assume) and fined. Guys like that … just gotta go.
“Korean style response by Korean (It’s funny, but this was actually probably said by millions of Koreans): So what? Japan’s buildings fall down in earthquakes.”
As I remember it (and my parents), we were a little bit more focused on survivors and the shitty construction job. But thanks.
I also take offense the immediate charges that stinking Korean Gyopos are defending this crud who’s been caught sexually abusing a child, just because Gyopos are Koreans and Koreans will defend anything Korean including Korean criminals while foreigners are demonized.
This is a constant theme that seems to be reinforced again and again throughout this and other sites.
bbundaegi wrote:
“The Sampoong Department store collapsed killing hundreds. It was found that inspectors took bribes to overlook shoddy construction.
- Korean style response by Korean (It’s funny, but this was actually probably said by millions of Koreans): So what? Japan’s buildings fall down in earthquakes.”
Actually Bbundaegi (weird how people like you and those picking ids like Garlicbreath have online names that depict Koreans negatively, like an Asian going on a site about white America and calling himself “Beerbelly” or “Spare Tire”), I was living in Korea then, and neither my family nor myself nor anyone else we knew said anything about Japan when news of this tragedy came out. Nor did I hear anything in the Korean news about Japan and ITS collapsing buildings due to earthquakes. All I heard was concerns about the tragedy of people dying and what a tragedy that the construction workers were so shoddy and the department store owners so corrupt and immoral.
Geez…some people are just too freakin serious.
Go get laid or something.
Yeah, why doncha get laid already?
JK, I am not going to say you are lying, but you must have been in a totally different Korean than me. I was also there during the collapse, and I can’t even begin to count how many times I heard “Japan this..”, “Japan that…”, or “well, Japan has it too so it’s OK”. If I had a dime for every time I heard “Japan” referenced when a Korean crime, tragedy, or arson breaks out, I would seriously be a millionaire.
Also, what is so bad about “bbundaegi”? It’s a very popular snack sold in the street here in Korea and one that is out in the open. Do you have issues about Korea’s image? Seems so.
#45: “Also, what is so bad about “bbundaegi”? It’s a very popular snack sold in the street here in Korea and one that is out in the open.”
Just like watermelon and fried chicken.
#45: “Also, what is so bad about “bbundaegi”? It’s a very popular snack sold in the street here in Korea and one that is out in the open.”
user-81 @46: “Just like watermelon and fried chicken.”
GOOD POINT, user-81! I hope that didn’t go over anyone’s head either (if you’re American, particularly African-American).
@44: If Japan ever WAS mentioned after the Sampoong Dept. Store tragedy, it was that incidents like that never happened in Japan due to poor construction. But never ONCE did I hear anything blaming JAPAN for the tragedy.
(hmm… no wikipedia links allowed now?)
From the wikipedia article, I see some paranoia about North Korean agents and gas leaks, but it looks like public reaction was mostly focused on
“how many are alive?” and “Kill that motherf*cker” aspect.
I still remember hearing stories of survivors surviving on rainwater that made it past the rubbles and being able to hear each other very faintly. I also remember my family sitting close to the TV hoping to hear of any news that more survivors have been discovered/rescued. I… don’t quite remember “haha, those Japs have it worse” aspect. Actually, even when that earthquake you talk about happened, I don’t remember public opinion swaying to that.
I don’t doubt that you heard people say shit about Japan at that time, but I really doubt that was the nationwide attitude at the time. Sounds like another wild generalization manufactured from anecdotes and… certain types of personal opinions.
Actually, I kind of doubt that anyone would be too uptight about someone going on a comment board with the nickname “fried chicken” or “watermelon breath”, even despite both being popular snacks amongst certain demographics (in SK, for instance)…
Zonath,
Well, we’ve really taken this thread off topic….but if the blog was predominantly about African-American culture and some white dude who makes a habit of criticizing black people used the id “Watermelon breath” or “Fried Chicken”….I don’t know, but I doubt it would be due to respect for African-American food or culture (and not saying watermelon or fried chicken ARE specifically African-American foods since other people enjoy it, too).
You mentioning “watermelon breath” or “fried chicken” as it relates to Korea missed the point that I was making.
“(and not saying watermelon or fried chicken ARE specifically African-American foods since other people enjoy it, too)”
Most people in Korea love watermelon and fried chicken.
#50, you made the point I was about to: Someone with the userid ‘watermelon and fried chicken’ who often criticized blacks would probably be called out on their choice of user names.
“Well, we’ve really taken this thread off topic….”
Thighs… fried chicken… Seems on topic to me.
Much as it pains me, I agree with JK’s comments.
Here’s why a username like Watermelon Breath would be offensive in a Black-oriented forum, or possibly any forum not dealing with food:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddZlBSO7Z0
Have you ever seen Koreans demeaned by non-Koreans with visual depictions of them eating Bbundaegi? If a Korean in an American forum called himself McDonalds or High Fructose Corn Syrup, I’d laugh heartily.
I made a joke, because I thought the story was kind of funny. And yeah…I referenced the stereotype that the media so often likes to use. Maybe I will refrain in the future if it offends your oh so politically correct and sensitive nature.
Anyways…back to young girls thighs…(that is on topic right?)
If the worst thing this guy does is take a few pics of a girl in a skirt then so be it. He is off a bit for sure, but being the sicko fuck that some are saying? No….
If he just wanted young’uns, he could have just downloaded a Wondergirl video…which leads to my last question: is he because of Wondergirls or are Wondergirls because of him?
(Garlicbreath = bad, bbundaegi = debatable)
It’s not so much about political correctness as… weird, for me. I mean… how much psychological baggage and grudge do you have to have to turn this story into talks about foreigner crime sensationalism? In less than 3 post no less.
Hey JK,
Sorry if I made you feel bad, but please believe me that that was not my intention. Anyways, about the Sampoong thing, I guess you have your view and I have my view and neither of us are completely right or completely wrong. The truth lies maybe somewhere in the middle.
However, regarding “bbundaegi”..seriously, I think you are thinking too deep into seeing or actively “looking” for evidence of racism against Koreans in things which simply are not. Actually, I chose this name because it’s a very unique and peculiar food (you have to admit, it’s not staple kimchi or grilled beef so there is an attraction about it), even amongst Koreans. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now “watermelon breath” or “fried chicken lover” is of course blatantly and purposely poking fun of racist stereotypes. However, seriously, most people in the world don’t even know that Koreans eat bbundaegi, let alone know what an actual bbundaegi is. Thus, I hardly doube a Korean hater would even use “bbundaegi eater” as an insult to Koreans.
That is true… they’re more penchant to focus on dog or garlic. But I do believe that you (bbundaegi) are dead wrong on Sampoong. People were completely fixated on the survivors, then why it had happened (North Koreans, gas leak,… shitty construction), and finally the trial proceeding. People wanted to see these guys burn for it, and no one in their right mind would have defended Sampoong corp. by saying “Well, at least some Japs died in earthquake.” In your anecdote, maybe, but the national sentiment was definitely not that.
Bbundaegi, okay, I hear you. Peace, dude.
buminkorea @56 wrote to The Goat: “It’s not so much about political correctness as… weird, for me. I mean… how much psychological baggage and grudge do you have to have to turn this story into talks about foreigner crime sensationalism? In less than 3 post no less.”
You hit the nail on the head, buminkorea!
Very little baggage. I find the media stereotypes rather amusing actually. Next time if I add
will it help you out some?
On the other hand, I really don’t give a fuck what you think. If you are searching for something hard enough, you will find it (even if it does not exist).
ps. My sarcasm is not limited to Korean issues - I’m Canadian…I can’t help but make dumb jokes.
Careful, Goat. People of Middle Eastern heritage might take offense to your username.
@61: You’re just plain irresponsible, Sonagi, as shown in your #12 remark, and your jokes are just plain…..not funny. I’m surprised they let you be a writer on the Marmot’s Hole. But keep it up so that we can see the magnitude of their error.
What’s wrong with cabron?
JK, you’re still way too sensitive. Just my opinion. If you let a few people’s comments get to you this much you’ll make yourself upset and blind yourself to your actual views.
Check out Bum, he did it right, props. He didn’t get emotional, he simply dealt with the issue. Off topic, plain and simple, which a few people were. Now I’m down.
There are plenty of threads which allow us to project specific grievances about double standards in journalism here and the addle brainedness of the new visa standards. This just didn’t happen to be one of them.
I think drunken adjossis and pedophilia would be apt topics of discussion and would provide ample room for banter.
I think some people are reading way too much into the names people call themselves, but, hey, I’m not you. I can’t tell you what you find offensive.
JK,
You chastise expats for complaining about coverage of foreigner crimes, and then you and user-81 complain about Bbundaegi’s username. You acknowledged your complaint was off-topic, but how much psychological baggage and grudge do you have to have to take offense to a username like Bbundaegi?
I regretted comment #12 and withdrew it, but you two set yourself up to be mocked when you made a ridiculous comparison between bbundaegi and fried chicken and watermelon.
I have to hand it to the Kyopo commentators here. They are very good at coordinating among themselves.
The other thing that Kyopo commentators here are good at is hypocrisy, like cm.
The anti-expat crowd and the anti-gyopo crowd are flip sides of the same coin.
Maddlew, you think of me what you will, and I’ll do the same of you. And as you can imagine, based on your comment in #10 which was so off-topic when I THOUGHT the topic was about a perverted ahjushi, I think your way of thinking as it relates to this thread (and a sudden way of going off-topic) as idiotic and revealing of a lot of emotional baggage on your part, as others have noted.
“You chastise expats for complaining about coverage of foreigner crimes…”
Sonagi, how did they let you be a writer for this blog? I swear, my respect for it just shot down a few notches. And you show your true colors more and more. #1, the topic of foreigner crime had nothing to do with the thread topic, and #2, cm got attacked for gently bringing up the fact that it was off-topic….among other expats, YOU.
Say the topic was about a white American in his 50s taking inappropriate pictures of a white schoolgirl….in America. Then within the first TWO comments of this thread, some kyopo goes, “Well, the Korean media most definitely put him up to it.” First off, that wouldn’t be funny at all and would be way off topic, and secondly, it would do nothing but be insensitive to what actually happened and show a certain self-centeredness if various kyopos were to join in on this joke or criticize those white Americans who found the comment off-color and just not…funny.
But I’ll bet you still don’t get this, huh Sonagi? And yet they still let you be a writer here.
And as a result, the quality of the Marmot’s Hole, a blog that is often a topic of discussion, more often in a positive way, among various circles of people here in DC, including the Sejong Society, who follow Korea issues closely, continues to drop several notches.
Who’s “they”? There is only one master of this blog, and you can easily locate his contact form.
You have a point, JK, contributing bloggers ought to set an example, and that is why I withdrew my off-topic comment, yet for some reason, you continue to harp on it.
Interesting that you selectively responded to only the first half of my quote. Complaining about Korean media coverage of crimes involving foreign suspects is off-topic. So is whining about somebody’s username. That’s what YOU don’t seem to get.
Please don’t derail the thread any further with your whining about my role as a contributing blogger and name-dropping about the Sejong Society (OOOHHHH!). Contact Robert directly if you have constructive suggestions for the blog. He seems to be out of town for the weekend, but he’ll likely respond as soon as he gets a chance.
#64: “and then you and user-81 complain about Bbundaegi’s username”
I did not ‘complain’ about his userid.
Bbundaegi claimed that his userid can’t be bad because it’s a popular snack sold in the street in Korea, and I simply pointed to the case of watermelon and fried chicken to counter that.
Though I wasn’t complaining about the name, I think JK has a point. It is interesting that a frequent critic of Korea would use a stinky and disgusting Korean food for a userid, but bbundaegi may have other reasons for the name choice. I think Garlicbreath is a much more obvious example.
#67: “Sonagi, how did they let you be a writer for this blog? I swear, my respect for it just shot down a few notches.”
JK, I think you are being too hard on Sonagi. She is usually well-informed, objective, and down to earth.
JK, your dumb analogy would only make sense if the U.S. media were in the habit of luridly pointing out the misdeeds of Koreans in our midst. It doesn’t.
OK, I didn’t read evey comment of this post, but Sonagi had the decency to withdraw her #12 comment and admit her mistake, which is something that you don’t see everyday in the Hole.
Anyway, JK, if I were you I would stop it right there. By continually bringing up a withdrawn comment to attack Sonagi, you are causing your own self-destruction.
mins, some of what you said, you had a point. Sonagi DID withdraw her comment…but still couldn’t leave well enough alone with the snarky remarks afterwards. Some withdrawal!
As for self-destruction, are you kidding, mins? It’s a blog, and I merely called it as I saw it. If that’s self-destruction, then so be it. But people like you also keep this thread alive with your comments without reading over everything.
Anyway, I won’t say more….unless people like yourself keep this thread alive with further comments.
Finally Sonagi, I meant it a COMPLIMENT to this blog that it gets read the way it is by various groups interested in Korea and Korea-US relations, NOT as some sort of ringing endorsement of one of the societies here in DC that DOES read the Marmot’s Hole with a great deal of respect. Hopefully, that respect will continue.
Ah….the typical snobby kyopo reaction.
Hey JK, if you were reading things properly, you would have noticed that mins was trying to calm things down NOT trying to fan flames. It is YOU who is trying to fan flames with your snobby remarks.
Why is it that kyopos don’t have the humility to admit that they are wrong?
Wow, the generalizations are thick on this thread. You’d need a scorecard to keep up. I can’t keep track of what I’m supposed to think about kyopos, ajushi, Western expats, Korean expats . . . I get a headache just thinking about it. Worse, I now worry if I’m “typical” enough for my demographic. Like I don’t have enough to worry about.
I think I’m gonna start sizing people up on a case-by-case basis. At this point, it’d be easier. That Martin Luther King guy might have been on to something.
(Gosh, it’s so easy to come in on like the 70th comment and take the high road.)
THAT’S a question for the ages.
#73: “Ah….the typical snobby kyopo reaction.”
“Why is it that kyopos don’t have the humility to admit that they are wrong?”
How is this any different from the broad strokes Pawi makes about “the expat”?
@#77
Well, you see, Pawi tends to make sweeping generalization without any justifiable reason, other than the illusion that people act and think alike just because they belong to an arbitrary group that doesn’t have anything to do with how people act and think. Comments like that tend to be very damaging to a person’s credibility.
However, User-81, the comments you mention are different because… um… well… ah….
I got nothing.
I withdrew my comment, but I did not grow a halo. I will continue to ridicule ridiculous comments and hope others do the same.
CM “Why must some of you make snarky remarks on every posts that have nothing to do with foreigners? This is one reason why people like pawi get their attitude.”
CM “Once again the question begs to be answered, what has this got to do with foreigners”
Sonagi “I don’t recall anyone making that absurd claim.”
The answer to your failed recollection is at #2 “The foreign teacher at the school most definitely put him up to it.” Pretty quick introduction of the irrelevant foreigner to the topic if you ask me. Albeit, I thought it was funny…and the reaction to it way OTT (over the top).
@#79,
You’re mixing up quotes. My quote was not in response to the ones you posted from CM. It was in response to this quote:
I started comment #24 with this quote, and it is the boldfaced portion, left out of your quote in comment #79, that was the “absurd claim,” which was addressed in the rest of the comment. No failed recollection on my part, just a misreading on yours.
OK understood, but the main claim was the part I quoted, the rest was a “furthermore”. Also the context in which this heated debate started was CM’c comment at #2 about the uncessary bringing of “foreigner” into the topic.
Accordingly, if you don’t want to be misread and were responding only to the subsidiary “boldfaced portion” only, then only quote the “boldfaced portion” not the main and original question CM started.
PS Sonagi, how do you get the bold face, italic functions, setting in of quotes etc… I only get plain text…
“Why is it that kyopos don’t have the humility to admit that they are wrong?”
correct me if i’m wrong, and i will admit to being wrong if corrected, but the discussion was never about who’s right and who’s wrong. i thought it was about differences of opinion. and please, stop with generalizing. just my opinion, but you sound just foolish as pawi.
i think there is some misconception going on here. a lot of the gyopos on this blog, at the end of the day, aren’t in much disagreement with expats regarding korea. what lot of the gyopos have problem with is the way some of the expats criticize korea/koreans.
lot of gyopos, assuming most are from the states, are proud of being both korean and american. but as much america is our home, we have every right to defend our culture and heritage when it gets smeared by what appears like arrogant, snarky comments from the few expats. we are not defending a corrupt individual. what we are arguing about is the sometimes partronizing/condescending tone of some expats here where to the korean ears, sounds arrogant. it was never intended to be us vs. them. the gyopos, at least at the beginning of the thread, was asking why a non-issue had to be brought up. then we are all grouped together and are called sensitive or accused of being hypocrites and whatnot. well, i think the intentions of most gyopos was to take the flame out before it got worse. i mean, based on how the threads normally go here, as soon as someone brings in a negative aspect about korea which does not relate to the topic, we all know where the thread will lead to…shit piling of korea. so, some gyopos, knowing where the thread will lead as soon as the foreigner issue came up, simply asked why it’s being brought up. of course, the rest is history.
anyway, i’ve rambled too long and i apologize. but seriously, there’s pawi and there’s couple mini-pawis on the expat side. no?
“but seriously, there’s pawi and there’s couple mini-pawis on the expat side. no?”
Pawi works so hard because Pawi must do the work of many men.
seoulmilk @83….THANK YOU. You summarized what I was feeling exactly. The topic of the thread was NEVER ABOUT foreign crimes in Korea….but people like Sonagi never got it.
Now maybe Songai will get the point…..or maybe not, based on her last 3 comments.
Congrats, Sonagi…you got comments like #75 supporting you….even though that had nothing to do with the topic.
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