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		<title>By: baduk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148754</link>
		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“How can three people pay one combined fee?”

-Group rate.

Actually Koreans asked for discount since she worked three men at the same time.

If you go drinking with an actress, these things often happen.  What the English say about a "showgirl" is the truth.

Korean men should have known better.  You don't f*** around in a foreign land.  The locals will kill you.  Keep sober.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“How can three people pay one combined fee?”</p>
<p>-Group rate.</p>
<p>Actually Koreans asked for discount since she worked three men at the same time.</p>
<p>If you go drinking with an actress, these things often happen.  What the English say about a &#8220;showgirl&#8221; is the truth.</p>
<p>Korean men should have known better.  You don&#8217;t f*** around in a foreign land.  The locals will kill you.  Keep sober.</p>
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		<title>By: cydevil</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148726</link>
		<dc:creator>cydevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha.. Frankly I didn't bother to read other comments too and I realized just now that Sonagi said pretty much the same thing just before me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha.. Frankly I didn&#8217;t bother to read other comments too and I realized just now that Sonagi said pretty much the same thing just before me.</p>
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		<title>By: cydevil</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148725</link>
		<dc:creator>cydevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is that many Chinese aren't trusting the police investigations, and frankly I don't blame them. Corruption is pretty widespread in China, and the Chinese people know this. There are a lot of possibilities, along with many different rumors going around. Some blame an ex-American boyfriend, some blame a high-ranking party official. In the end, it's up to the police to do a thorough and impartial investigation. Whether or not the Chinese people trust it though is a problem that cannot be solved in a short period of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is that many Chinese aren&#8217;t trusting the police investigations, and frankly I don&#8217;t blame them. Corruption is pretty widespread in China, and the Chinese people know this. There are a lot of possibilities, along with many different rumors going around. Some blame an ex-American boyfriend, some blame a high-ranking party official. In the end, it&#8217;s up to the police to do a thorough and impartial investigation. Whether or not the Chinese people trust it though is a problem that cannot be solved in a short period of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148358</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't bother to read the comments.

Just because the Chinese police closed the case doesn't mean much, for corruption is rife.  It doesn't take an active imagination to suggest the possibility that the three businessmen paid off the police to overlook the death of a hooker.  Ask Darren Russell's mom about the integrity of Chinese law enforcement:

http://www.whiterabbitsmom.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t bother to read the comments.</p>
<p>Just because the Chinese police closed the case doesn&#8217;t mean much, for corruption is rife.  It doesn&#8217;t take an active imagination to suggest the possibility that the three businessmen paid off the police to overlook the death of a hooker.  Ask Darren Russell&#8217;s mom about the integrity of Chinese law enforcement:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whiterabbitsmom.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whiterabbitsmom.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148352</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whachoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

Just sounds fictitious to me, that's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whachoo talkin&#8217; &#8217;bout Willis?</p>
<p>Just sounds fictitious to me, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148255</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crickets churping from dogbert's court is deafening cm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crickets churping from dogbert&#8217;s court is deafening cm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stacked</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148210</link>
		<dc:creator>stacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who gives a shit? Someone died OH NO!</description>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148203</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According the report above, "Mr Jing" knew Tan Jing in South Korea when his wife helped her.  The four men are not airline workers. They are clothing businessmen in China. The four men didn't run off to Mexico. They are still in China. So if dogbert has a different information from a different source that these men raped and murdered her, please do post it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According the report above, &#8220;Mr Jing&#8221; knew Tan Jing in South Korea when his wife helped her.  The four men are not airline workers. They are clothing businessmen in China. The four men didn&#8217;t run off to Mexico. They are still in China. So if dogbert has a different information from a different source that these men raped and murdered her, please do post it here.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/ok-this-is-weird/#comment-148199</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tan Jing got completely wasted and kept going in and out of the washroom. Her coat was hung in the bathroom. Her split, torn green trousers were found on the lawn below, That's what was reported by the Chinese police when they interrogated the three men. If you want to insist and argue the case that she was murdered, then do it with the Chinese police.

警方公布“谭静案”详细情况后，不少网友仍对案情的一些细节问题存有疑问，有网友提出诸如“谭静为什么会自杀？”“厕所窗口狭窄，醉酒弱女如何扭开防盗网跳窗”等，更有网友对案发现场3名韩国人向警方提供的证词提出质疑。针对这些问题，本报记者昨日联系参与此案的民警，对部分疑问做了回答。

醉酒弱女如何扭开防盗网？

问：厕所窗口狭小，且窗户上装有防盗网，以谭静一个女孩的力气，再加上醉酒，怎么可能扭开防盗网再跳窗？


答：根据现场情况，厕所窗口面积不足1平方米，高约1.2米，宽约0.5米，以谭静的身高和体重，她稍微侧身就可以从窗口钻出去。至于防盗网的问题，窗户上原本有两根金属条状防盗网，但当时居住在房间内的韩国人说，谭静跳楼后他们冲进卫生间，发现两根金属防盗网略有弯曲，警方对现场勘查后确定，防盗网的右下部其实已经向外脱开，应该是两根金属条略有松动，谭静将其中一根移开后再钻窗跳了下去。另外，卫生间坐厕上有两处踩踏痕迹，窗口边沿有攀爬痕迹，这些痕迹经证实是谭静留下的，这些都构成钻窗跳楼的证据。

谭静有什么动机要自杀？

问：谭静有什么动机要自杀？

答：警方经过尸检和对谭静亲友的调查，确定谭静死前的最后一段时间几乎每天都在酗酒，而且醉酒时有失态和疯狂的表现。至于醉酒的原因，谭静亲友估计有两个，一是因为刚过清明节，谭静可能因为祭奠父亲而情绪低落（十年前谭父被害前一天晚上，她和父亲大吵了一架，她因此对父亲的死格外内疚）；二是因为情感纠纷，谭静的前任男朋友是美国人，她非常爱对方但最终还是分手了，谭静为此非常伤心，并曾在一次醉酒后割脉自杀。

另一个佐证是，谭母在派出所录口供的时候曾表示，谭静和前任男朋友发生了经济纠纷。事发前一晚还和前任男朋友在电话里大吵，在事发现场她一直在卫生间给前男友打电话吵架，这些证据都可作为谭静自杀的理由。

为什么半裸？为什么尸体系绳？

问：尸体被发现时为什么只穿内衣裤？尸体上的绳子怎么解释？

答：现场勘查显示谭静进屋时穿了外套，但稍后在屋内觉得闷热而将牛仔外套摆在客厅，经调查，外套呈自然摆放。同时警方在现场楼下的草坪上找到一条绿色休闲裤，休闲裤很多地方都裂开了，裤腰上还系有皮带，休闲裤脱落符合坠楼特征。

至于部分网友称尸体上的绳子难以解释，其实绳子是事发后消防队员从横梁上运下尸体时系在尸体上的，跟案情没有关系。

怎么证明3名韩国人没串供？

问：事发现场只有3名韩国人，他们完全有可能串供掩盖真相再报警。

答：刑事案件的侦办都有规范的调查程序，涉及到多个当事人时，警方不可能对当事人一并讯问，而是分别审查，如果当事人有串供的嫌疑，通过细致缜密的审查以及专业的审讯技巧，很容易找出其中的破绽。

同时，对相关当事人的调查只是案件整体侦办过程的一项内容。就本案来说，警方公布的调查结果，还是来自于现场勘查、尸检以及死者相关社会人士的各种调查，是经过全面、细致的工作才做出的认定。

大韩航空回应本报

记者昨日致电大韩航空公司广州办事处时，一名工作人员对记者表示，“今天《新快报》已经澄清了，当事人为从事服装贸易的生意人，并不是网络上传的航空公司飞行员。”该工作人员向记者介绍，大韩航空公司在广州的机务人员实际上只有一人，该公司在广州的机场机务人员也并不住在东风广场(网上误为东风公寓)，更没有网络上盛传的“朴英石、金柱浩和孔恩泽”三人。

韩人在穗人人自危

昨日，记者联系上谭静生前多名在华的韩国朋友，他们对谭静的突然离去都感到惋惜，同时也关注到一些网友的激烈言论。对此，他们均表示，非常担心人身安全。

韩国人金先生向记者介绍，他来广州做生意已经4年多了，和中国人一直和睦相处，因此他的汉语说得比较流利，但网友对谭静坠楼事件的激烈言论让他4年来第一次感到恐惧，“我们因工作需要，天天都需要外出跟客户谈生意，但自从4月9日看到网友的激烈言论后，我们担心自己的人身安全，害怕在街头遭遇不测。”

金先生还回忆到，他与谭静是在韩国认识的，“当时谭静刚到韩国，还没有什么朋友，我妻子经常约她出来聊天、喝酒等，发现她人很豪爽，对朋友也很有情意。虽然我们平时都很忙，比较少见面，但每次见面都像老朋友一样，有说有笑。”

在广州做生意的韩国人阿哲每周末都会约上几个好友，到酒吧一聚，“4月10日上午，我同事打电话给我，称由于谭静坠楼事件导致网友对韩国人产生了抵触情绪，叫我以后上街都要小心些，千万不能跟人发生争执。所以我上周末原本约好的聚会，最后也取消了。”阿哲心情沉重地对记者说，“谭静已经去世了，希望网友们能够冷静下来，为谭静默哀。”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tan Jing got completely wasted and kept going in and out of the washroom. Her coat was hung in the bathroom. Her split, torn green trousers were found on the lawn below, That&#8217;s what was reported by the Chinese police when they interrogated the three men. If you want to insist and argue the case that she was murdered, then do it with the Chinese police.</p>
<p>警方公布“谭静案”详细情况后，不少网友仍对案情的一些细节问题存有疑问，有网友提出诸如“谭静为什么会自杀？”“厕所窗口狭窄，醉酒弱女如何扭开防盗网跳窗”等，更有网友对案发现场3名韩国人向警方提供的证词提出质疑。针对这些问题，本报记者昨日联系参与此案的民警，对部分疑问做了回答。</p>
<p>醉酒弱女如何扭开防盗网？</p>
<p>问：厕所窗口狭小，且窗户上装有防盗网，以谭静一个女孩的力气，再加上醉酒，怎么可能扭开防盗网再跳窗？</p>
<p>答：根据现场情况，厕所窗口面积不足1平方米，高约1.2米，宽约0.5米，以谭静的身高和体重，她稍微侧身就可以从窗口钻出去。至于防盗网的问题，窗户上原本有两根金属条状防盗网，但当时居住在房间内的韩国人说，谭静跳楼后他们冲进卫生间，发现两根金属防盗网略有弯曲，警方对现场勘查后确定，防盗网的右下部其实已经向外脱开，应该是两根金属条略有松动，谭静将其中一根移开后再钻窗跳了下去。另外，卫生间坐厕上有两处踩踏痕迹，窗口边沿有攀爬痕迹，这些痕迹经证实是谭静留下的，这些都构成钻窗跳楼的证据。</p>
<p>谭静有什么动机要自杀？</p>
<p>问：谭静有什么动机要自杀？</p>
<p>答：警方经过尸检和对谭静亲友的调查，确定谭静死前的最后一段时间几乎每天都在酗酒，而且醉酒时有失态和疯狂的表现。至于醉酒的原因，谭静亲友估计有两个，一是因为刚过清明节，谭静可能因为祭奠父亲而情绪低落（十年前谭父被害前一天晚上，她和父亲大吵了一架，她因此对父亲的死格外内疚）；二是因为情感纠纷，谭静的前任男朋友是美国人，她非常爱对方但最终还是分手了，谭静为此非常伤心，并曾在一次醉酒后割脉自杀。</p>
<p>另一个佐证是，谭母在派出所录口供的时候曾表示，谭静和前任男朋友发生了经济纠纷。事发前一晚还和前任男朋友在电话里大吵，在事发现场她一直在卫生间给前男友打电话吵架，这些证据都可作为谭静自杀的理由。</p>
<p>为什么半裸？为什么尸体系绳？</p>
<p>问：尸体被发现时为什么只穿内衣裤？尸体上的绳子怎么解释？</p>
<p>答：现场勘查显示谭静进屋时穿了外套，但稍后在屋内觉得闷热而将牛仔外套摆在客厅，经调查，外套呈自然摆放。同时警方在现场楼下的草坪上找到一条绿色休闲裤，休闲裤很多地方都裂开了，裤腰上还系有皮带，休闲裤脱落符合坠楼特征。</p>
<p>至于部分网友称尸体上的绳子难以解释，其实绳子是事发后消防队员从横梁上运下尸体时系在尸体上的，跟案情没有关系。</p>
<p>怎么证明3名韩国人没串供？</p>
<p>问：事发现场只有3名韩国人，他们完全有可能串供掩盖真相再报警。</p>
<p>答：刑事案件的侦办都有规范的调查程序，涉及到多个当事人时，警方不可能对当事人一并讯问，而是分别审查，如果当事人有串供的嫌疑，通过细致缜密的审查以及专业的审讯技巧，很容易找出其中的破绽。</p>
<p>同时，对相关当事人的调查只是案件整体侦办过程的一项内容。就本案来说，警方公布的调查结果，还是来自于现场勘查、尸检以及死者相关社会人士的各种调查，是经过全面、细致的工作才做出的认定。</p>
<p>大韩航空回应本报</p>
<p>记者昨日致电大韩航空公司广州办事处时，一名工作人员对记者表示，“今天《新快报》已经澄清了，当事人为从事服装贸易的生意人，并不是网络上传的航空公司飞行员。”该工作人员向记者介绍，大韩航空公司在广州的机务人员实际上只有一人，该公司在广州的机场机务人员也并不住在东风广场(网上误为东风公寓)，更没有网络上盛传的“朴英石、金柱浩和孔恩泽”三人。</p>
<p>韩人在穗人人自危</p>
<p>昨日，记者联系上谭静生前多名在华的韩国朋友，他们对谭静的突然离去都感到惋惜，同时也关注到一些网友的激烈言论。对此，他们均表示，非常担心人身安全。</p>
<p>韩国人金先生向记者介绍，他来广州做生意已经4年多了，和中国人一直和睦相处，因此他的汉语说得比较流利，但网友对谭静坠楼事件的激烈言论让他4年来第一次感到恐惧，“我们因工作需要，天天都需要外出跟客户谈生意，但自从4月9日看到网友的激烈言论后，我们担心自己的人身安全，害怕在街头遭遇不测。”</p>
<p>金先生还回忆到，他与谭静是在韩国认识的，“当时谭静刚到韩国，还没有什么朋友，我妻子经常约她出来聊天、喝酒等，发现她人很豪爽，对朋友也很有情意。虽然我们平时都很忙，比较少见面，但每次见面都像老朋友一样，有说有笑。”</p>
<p>在广州做生意的韩国人阿哲每周末都会约上几个好友，到酒吧一聚，“4月10日上午，我同事打电话给我，称由于谭静坠楼事件导致网友对韩国人产生了抵触情绪，叫我以后上街都要小心些，千万不能跟人发生争执。所以我上周末原本约好的聚会，最后也取消了。”阿哲心情沉重地对记者说，“谭静已经去世了，希望网友们能够冷静下来，为谭静默哀。”</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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