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	<title>Comments on: Did Virginia Tech Ignore Suicidal KoAm Student?</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148385</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know the scale of backlash that Korean media expected, but it's not as if we're all enlightened rational beings in the US.

There were, for example, abuse against Korean students that seemed to be motivated by the V Tech shooting.  Not that I knew about it at all until I met a law student who volunteered at some university organization or other.  She told me how such incidents don't happen anymore (11 months or so later) but she was surprised I (as a Korean American) hadn't found out from some of the cases making it into the school paper.  It was a headache for the university, apparently.  Or at least the place she was volunteering at.

There is a slight difference in the way people interacted with me immediately after the shooting and how they react to me now.  I suppose that could have been in my head, but I would argue that this is how you would expect some people to act based on how V-Tech was 24/7 occupation for the talking heads those days.

If this Daniel Kim guy was a sensitive/paranoid type, I don't think he needed much help from Korean media to justify a sense of isolation or victimization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the scale of backlash that Korean media expected, but it&#8217;s not as if we&#8217;re all enlightened rational beings in the US.</p>
<p>There were, for example, abuse against Korean students that seemed to be motivated by the V Tech shooting.  Not that I knew about it at all until I met a law student who volunteered at some university organization or other.  She told me how such incidents don&#8217;t happen anymore (11 months or so later) but she was surprised I (as a Korean American) hadn&#8217;t found out from some of the cases making it into the school paper.  It was a headache for the university, apparently.  Or at least the place she was volunteering at.</p>
<p>There is a slight difference in the way people interacted with me immediately after the shooting and how they react to me now.  I suppose that could have been in my head, but I would argue that this is how you would expect some people to act based on how V-Tech was 24/7 occupation for the talking heads those days.</p>
<p>If this Daniel Kim guy was a sensitive/paranoid type, I don&#8217;t think he needed much help from Korean media to justify a sense of isolation or victimization.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148296</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;His suicide was his fault, not the University’s. The family may not want to recognize it; but there it is. It wasn’t even his parents’ fault. It was all on him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Daniel Kim's parents never blamed the university.  Kim's father replied "yes" to a question about whether the university had let his son down.  "Let down" means "to disappoint" or "fail to meet expectations."  This is not the same as placing blame for the suicide.  In other words, Daniel Kim's family was disappointed with the response of the university.  It failed to meet expectations because it did not properly carry out its own policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>His suicide was his fault, not the University’s. The family may not want to recognize it; but there it is. It wasn’t even his parents’ fault. It was all on him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Daniel Kim&#8217;s parents never blamed the university.  Kim&#8217;s father replied &#8220;yes&#8221; to a question about whether the university had let his son down.  &#8220;Let down&#8221; means &#8220;to disappoint&#8221; or &#8220;fail to meet expectations.&#8221;  This is not the same as placing blame for the suicide.  In other words, Daniel Kim&#8217;s family was disappointed with the response of the university.  It failed to meet expectations because it did not properly carry out its own policy.</p>
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		<title>By: jtb-in-texas</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148294</link>
		<dc:creator>jtb-in-texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure.  Let's make the University responsible for every student.  See how well that plays...No drinking, smoking cigarettes, sex, driving, eating meat, loud music, etc. because the University won't allow you to endanger your health.  Mandatory psychoanalysis sessions, because your thoughts need to be controlled so you don't hurt yourself...

Utter bovine scatology.  Kim was an adult old enough to sign a mortgage.  His suicide was his fault, not the University's.  The family may not want to recognize it; but there it is.  It wasn't even his parents' fault.  It was all on him.

I do apologize to any who may find this heartless; but some decisions can't be taken back.  Life is not some video-game where you can go back to a saved-game moment of triumph any time you make a wrong choice.  

Maybe, if there is any blame outside of the suicide, it is the lack of teaching consequences to children under the age of five...



If you want a "nanny state", move to Zimbabwe, North Korea, Venezuela, or Cuba.  If you want freedom to choose, don't blame someone else if you choose poorly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure.  Let&#8217;s make the University responsible for every student.  See how well that plays&#8230;No drinking, smoking cigarettes, sex, driving, eating meat, loud music, etc. because the University won&#8217;t allow you to endanger your health.  Mandatory psychoanalysis sessions, because your thoughts need to be controlled so you don&#8217;t hurt yourself&#8230;</p>
<p>Utter bovine scatology.  Kim was an adult old enough to sign a mortgage.  His suicide was his fault, not the University&#8217;s.  The family may not want to recognize it; but there it is.  It wasn&#8217;t even his parents&#8217; fault.  It was all on him.</p>
<p>I do apologize to any who may find this heartless; but some decisions can&#8217;t be taken back.  Life is not some video-game where you can go back to a saved-game moment of triumph any time you make a wrong choice.  </p>
<p>Maybe, if there is any blame outside of the suicide, it is the lack of teaching consequences to children under the age of five&#8230;</p>
<p>If you want a &#8220;nanny state&#8221;, move to Zimbabwe, North Korea, Venezuela, or Cuba.  If you want freedom to choose, don&#8217;t blame someone else if you choose poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: Granfalloon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148115</link>
		<dc:creator>Granfalloon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point that I think Mr.Mao was trying to make, the point that his own glibness totally got in the way of, is that Koreans have a higher suicide rate in general than, I guess, Western countries. Although the use of the word "enjoy" is interesting. Mr.Mao, are you being funny, or is there really well-documented evidence that Koreans "enjoy" suicide?

WangKon's own link confirms the point that Mr.Mao is trying to make, I think (barring the "enjoy" thing). If you consider suicide rate relative to economic prosperity, Korea suddenly skyrockets, second perhaps only to their Nipponese neighbors. This, to me, is far more interesting. That suicide increased in Korea when things were actually getting better.

All of this is besides the point. The unspoken theme here is that a Korean committing suicide is somehow less tragic because it's more common for a Korean. In the cold hard facts of logic, this may even be true. But it's still kinda a dick thing to say.

Anyway, sorry if I offend you, Mr.Mao. I'm only doing it because I'm disappointed that no one want to discuss my "projection" comment, which I thought was pretty neat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point that I think Mr.Mao was trying to make, the point that his own glibness totally got in the way of, is that Koreans have a higher suicide rate in general than, I guess, Western countries. Although the use of the word &#8220;enjoy&#8221; is interesting. Mr.Mao, are you being funny, or is there really well-documented evidence that Koreans &#8220;enjoy&#8221; suicide?</p>
<p>WangKon&#8217;s own link confirms the point that Mr.Mao is trying to make, I think (barring the &#8220;enjoy&#8221; thing). If you consider suicide rate relative to economic prosperity, Korea suddenly skyrockets, second perhaps only to their Nipponese neighbors. This, to me, is far more interesting. That suicide increased in Korea when things were actually getting better.</p>
<p>All of this is besides the point. The unspoken theme here is that a Korean committing suicide is somehow less tragic because it&#8217;s more common for a Korean. In the cold hard facts of logic, this may even be true. But it&#8217;s still kinda a dick thing to say.</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry if I offend you, Mr.Mao. I&#8217;m only doing it because I&#8217;m disappointed that no one want to discuss my &#8220;projection&#8221; comment, which I thought was pretty neat.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Koehler</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148108</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Koehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Er, what about the well-documented fact that Koreans really seem to enjoy offing themselves?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A bit crude there, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Er, what about the well-documented fact that Koreans really seem to enjoy offing themselves?</p></blockquote>
<p>A bit crude there, no?</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148103</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 11,

Ah, got it.  Your comment is a prime candidate for deletion given its racial overtones.

Anyways, Korea suicide rate is actually not the highest.  Eastern European countries appear to have higher suicide rates.

http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/suicide-rates-of-the-world/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 11,</p>
<p>Ah, got it.  Your comment is a prime candidate for deletion given its racial overtones.</p>
<p>Anyways, Korea suicide rate is actually not the highest.  Eastern European countries appear to have higher suicide rates.</p>
<p><a href="http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/suicide-rates-of-the-world/" rel="nofollow">http://nitawriter.wordpress.co.....the-world/</a></p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148101</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 11,

Hummm.... what do you mean by "offing"...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 11,</p>
<p>Hummm&#8230;. what do you mean by &#8220;offing&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Granfalloon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148100</link>
		<dc:creator>Granfalloon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Marmot has a point with the Korean media all screaming "backlash!", and I'm led to believe that Koreans in America had similar expectations about what would happen in the aftermath.

Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but if we take The Great Backlash That Never Happened and couple it with a recent thread about foreigners sexually assaulting Korean women, we have, as I see it, one of the biggest, ugliest cases of Freudian projection I've ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Marmot has a point with the Korean media all screaming &#8220;backlash!&#8221;, and I&#8217;m led to believe that Koreans in America had similar expectations about what would happen in the aftermath.</p>
<p>Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but if we take The Great Backlash That Never Happened and couple it with a recent thread about foreigners sexually assaulting Korean women, we have, as I see it, one of the biggest, ugliest cases of Freudian projection I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-148011</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do not know how much the parents knew about Kim's mental state.  Even if he was acting strangely, as an adult, he could not have been forced into therapy unless family members could demonstrate to a court that he was a danger to himself or others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not know how much the parents knew about Kim&#8217;s mental state.  Even if he was acting strangely, as an adult, he could not have been forced into therapy unless family members could demonstrate to a court that he was a danger to himself or others.</p>
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		<title>By: MrMao</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/17/did-virginia-tech-ignore-suicidal-koam-student/#comment-147977</link>
		<dc:creator>MrMao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, what about the well-documented fact that Koreans really seem to enjoy offing themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, what about the well-documented fact that Koreans really seem to enjoy offing themselves?</p>
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