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	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SeoulPodcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Episode 5: Super Survival Korean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeoulPodcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Episode 5: Super Survival Korean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More on Rural English Teacher Program  Hire 500 ethnic Koreans and students studying overseas (but not currently in Korea). Must have completed two years of university education. Stay six months to a year. Includes round-trip airfare, 1.5 million won a month, monthly accommodation of 400,000 won a month. Excludes South Africans. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More on Rural English Teacher Program  Hire 500 ethnic Koreans and students studying overseas (but not currently in Korea). Must have completed two years of university education. Stay six months to a year. Includes round-trip airfare, 1.5 million won a month, monthly accommodation of 400,000 won a month. Excludes South Africans. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Katatonic</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/16/more-on-rural-english-teacher-program/#comment-148588</link>
		<dc:creator>Katatonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief . . . I am the queen of typos, no? Sonagi, apologies again!

I am a bit of a lurker. My son was adopted from Korea, so I have a personal interest in Korean culture. We have not yet traveled to Korea as a family, but plan to do so in a few more years. I recently learned about the opportunity to teach English at a one of the language-immersion summer camps in Jeollandam-do. I'm hoping that I'll be selected through my grad school and will get to experience the Korean culture and people, as well as teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief . . . I am the queen of typos, no? Sonagi, apologies again!</p>
<p>I am a bit of a lurker. My son was adopted from Korea, so I have a personal interest in Korean culture. We have not yet traveled to Korea as a family, but plan to do so in a few more years. I recently learned about the opportunity to teach English at a one of the language-immersion summer camps in Jeollandam-do. I&#8217;m hoping that I&#8217;ll be selected through my grad school and will get to experience the Korean culture and people, as well as teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/16/more-on-rural-english-teacher-program/#comment-148560</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all.  Even in small towns, you will find Koreans keen to interact with people from other countries and practice their English.  I think you and the hubby will enjoy your stay immensely and bring home amazing experiences to share with friends.

I don't recall you posting before.  Are you a lurker or did you google upon this blog?

And BTW, you misspelled my username again.  :) It's Sonagi.  It is a Korean weather word for a sudden downpour of rain.  It is also the name of a novel that is included in Korean secondary school anthologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all.  Even in small towns, you will find Koreans keen to interact with people from other countries and practice their English.  I think you and the hubby will enjoy your stay immensely and bring home amazing experiences to share with friends.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall you posting before.  Are you a lurker or did you google upon this blog?</p>
<p>And BTW, you misspelled my username again.  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> It&#8217;s Sonagi.  It is a Korean weather word for a sudden downpour of rain.  It is also the name of a novel that is included in Korean secondary school anthologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Katatonic</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/16/more-on-rural-english-teacher-program/#comment-148558</link>
		<dc:creator>Katatonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation, Songagi (and sorry for misspelling your name in my earlier post). I've applied for a one-month program teaching English in a rural area. I'm not single, so I won't be looking to date : - ). I would be more interested in just meeting guys and girls for social and conversational reasons, so I take it that there's no real concerns with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation, Songagi (and sorry for misspelling your name in my earlier post). I&#8217;ve applied for a one-month program teaching English in a rural area. I&#8217;m not single, so I won&#8217;t be looking to date : - ). I would be more interested in just meeting guys and girls for social and conversational reasons, so I take it that there&#8217;s no real concerns with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/16/more-on-rural-english-teacher-program/#comment-148309</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in a small town in Korea, a young man can easily make friends and find a companion if the man is heterosexual.  If the man is older, he can still find friends because married men go out in the evenings to socialize, and he can find a girlfriend because Korean women willing to date foreign men are more flexible about age differences.  A single woman regardless of sexual preference, on the other hand, will have difficulty forming close friendships with Korean women since most of them will be busy taking care of their families.  I lost touch with several Korean women friends after they got married.  They didn't have time to go out for a cup of coffee or a movie, let alone take a weekend trip out of Seoul.

Finding a companion will be extremely challenging as most Korean men around the same age or older are married and the ones that aren't probably aren't a good fit for a Western woman.  I and other foreign women who lived in Seoul did date younger men, but we had to search through a large haystack; foreign men definitely have more choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in a small town in Korea, a young man can easily make friends and find a companion if the man is heterosexual.  If the man is older, he can still find friends because married men go out in the evenings to socialize, and he can find a girlfriend because Korean women willing to date foreign men are more flexible about age differences.  A single woman regardless of sexual preference, on the other hand, will have difficulty forming close friendships with Korean women since most of them will be busy taking care of their families.  I lost touch with several Korean women friends after they got married.  They didn&#8217;t have time to go out for a cup of coffee or a movie, let alone take a weekend trip out of Seoul.</p>
<p>Finding a companion will be extremely challenging as most Korean men around the same age or older are married and the ones that aren&#8217;t probably aren&#8217;t a good fit for a Western woman.  I and other foreign women who lived in Seoul did date younger men, but we had to search through a large haystack; foreign men definitely have more choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Katatonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katatonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Songai - I'm curious about your remark "A small town is fine for a young man, but it’s no place for a single woman over thirty." Can you explain further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Songai - I&#8217;m curious about your remark &#8220;A small town is fine for a young man, but it’s no place for a single woman over thirty.&#8221; Can you explain further?</p>
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		<title>By: Juggertha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juggertha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, a Kyopo is expected to take a break from university and come here to work for 1.5?

I don't think there will be a mad rush towards those positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, a Kyopo is expected to take a break from university and come here to work for 1.5?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there will be a mad rush towards those positions.</p>
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		<title>By: The Metropolitician</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Metropolitician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the Fulbright English Teaching Program (ETA), which the Korean government used as the template for the KORETA/EPIK program from 1995, which was created after Fulbright Korea turned down the Korean government's proposal (made through the auspices of the   Korean Education Development Institute (KEDI) to expand the ETA program to "2000 by 2000" to match the size of the JET program at the time. 

The organization of the KORETA program was a legendary failure, mostly because the government didn't see the importance of an extensive orientation program (I believe one week or something ludicrously short before sending these young kids into the countryside), and with regard to exploitation or bad behavior by the schools, the program wasn't an advocate for the foreign teacher, but rather in cahoots with the overall goal of exploiting maximally. 

But at the time, there were no foreigners in schools, and the laws only allowed them to (via cities, do's and then individual schools being allowed to hire foreigners directly) from the late 90's, if memory serves. 

So given the state of the market, and the fact that Koreams, at least, tend to have inside news or connections on some tutoring or at least know how much there is to be made, it might be hard to recruit.

Even Fulbright won't expand past the 70's or so when it comes to numbers, since the applicant pool doesn't get above the few hundreds, and logistically, handling that many new foreigners' visa issues, travel plans, dietary needs, problems that crop up, medical issues, and on and on... that headache is pretty minor at around 30, but rises exponentially, it seems, after around 50 or 60.

After being through or assisting in several ETA orientations purposely held in sequestered Kangwon National University in Chuncheon from 1994 to now, I'll say that whomever gets hired to be staff for that first orientation of 500 Americans being shipped off to the countryside -- whew. As Billy from my favorite movie, Predator, lamented: "I wouldn't wish that on a broke-dick dog." 

And if they have the orientation program in Seoul? God help them. Seoul has enough modern delights to bring down morning workshop attendance to around 1/4 of total capacity. And if the Korean administrative tendency to not plan or think ahead is any indication, along with the disastrous beginning of the KORETA/EPIK program (which started with only around 200), this is going to be a disaster of legendary proportions. 

Still, perhaps there has been some instititutional knowledge gained from the mistakes of the past with EPIK (unlikely, though), or the simple fact that I doubt they can even fill 100 spots might make this entire question moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the Fulbright English Teaching Program (ETA), which the Korean government used as the template for the KORETA/EPIK program from 1995, which was created after Fulbright Korea turned down the Korean government&#8217;s proposal (made through the auspices of the   Korean Education Development Institute (KEDI) to expand the ETA program to &#8220;2000 by 2000&#8243; to match the size of the JET program at the time. </p>
<p>The organization of the KORETA program was a legendary failure, mostly because the government didn&#8217;t see the importance of an extensive orientation program (I believe one week or something ludicrously short before sending these young kids into the countryside), and with regard to exploitation or bad behavior by the schools, the program wasn&#8217;t an advocate for the foreign teacher, but rather in cahoots with the overall goal of exploiting maximally. </p>
<p>But at the time, there were no foreigners in schools, and the laws only allowed them to (via cities, do&#8217;s and then individual schools being allowed to hire foreigners directly) from the late 90&#8217;s, if memory serves. </p>
<p>So given the state of the market, and the fact that Koreams, at least, tend to have inside news or connections on some tutoring or at least know how much there is to be made, it might be hard to recruit.</p>
<p>Even Fulbright won&#8217;t expand past the 70&#8217;s or so when it comes to numbers, since the applicant pool doesn&#8217;t get above the few hundreds, and logistically, handling that many new foreigners&#8217; visa issues, travel plans, dietary needs, problems that crop up, medical issues, and on and on&#8230; that headache is pretty minor at around 30, but rises exponentially, it seems, after around 50 or 60.</p>
<p>After being through or assisting in several ETA orientations purposely held in sequestered Kangwon National University in Chuncheon from 1994 to now, I&#8217;ll say that whomever gets hired to be staff for that first orientation of 500 Americans being shipped off to the countryside &#8212; whew. As Billy from my favorite movie, Predator, lamented: &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t wish that on a broke-dick dog.&#8221; </p>
<p>And if they have the orientation program in Seoul? God help them. Seoul has enough modern delights to bring down morning workshop attendance to around 1/4 of total capacity. And if the Korean administrative tendency to not plan or think ahead is any indication, along with the disastrous beginning of the KORETA/EPIK program (which started with only around 200), this is going to be a disaster of legendary proportions. </p>
<p>Still, perhaps there has been some instititutional knowledge gained from the mistakes of the past with EPIK (unlikely, though), or the simple fact that I doubt they can even fill 100 spots might make this entire question moot.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can't the Korean government let the market decide?  Let in all qualified EFL teachers, doesn't matter what nation, and give them a visa that they own and not their employer. Keep the drug and criminal checks too. It's simple, and let's see what happens. 

The local thinking is that if the EFL teachers benefit, then the locals must be losing somehow.  Instead, they make regulations of such paternalism, near serfdom, that the teachers lose, and the locals then lose too.  Instead of a win-win situation, you get a lose-lose situation.  Not letting the foreigner have job advancement within the Korean management structure is a symptom of all this.  

FREE THE MARKET!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t the Korean government let the market decide?  Let in all qualified EFL teachers, doesn&#8217;t matter what nation, and give them a visa that they own and not their employer. Keep the drug and criminal checks too. It&#8217;s simple, and let&#8217;s see what happens. </p>
<p>The local thinking is that if the EFL teachers benefit, then the locals must be losing somehow.  Instead, they make regulations of such paternalism, near serfdom, that the teachers lose, and the locals then lose too.  Instead of a win-win situation, you get a lose-lose situation.  Not letting the foreigner have job advancement within the Korean management structure is a symptom of all this.  </p>
<p>FREE THE MARKET!</p>
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		<title>By: Arghaeri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arghaeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused, I what way is this a scholarship, where is the educational programme for these scholars when they're not teaching?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused, I what way is this a scholarship, where is the educational programme for these scholars when they&#8217;re not teaching?</p>
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