Comments on: Korea, Skyscraper Hub of Asia? http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/ Korea... in Blog Format Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:29:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: cmm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147741 cmm Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:44:38 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147741 @73 Interesting implication there. I wonder who else you are smarter than, and hope you comment here more often so we can learn from You. @73 Interesting implication there. I wonder who else you are smarter than, and hope you comment here more often so we can learn from You.

]]> By: Arghaeri http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147727 Arghaeri Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:52:05 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147727 WangKon, True, Songsu and Sampoong not shining examples, but they were some time ago, and it was these incidents which prompted new regulations in korean construction. For example it is now law in korea for a Construction Supervisor to be appointed who is legally liable for ensuring designs are followed by the Contractors and safety maintained. How well they do this is up for debate, however the situation is clearly much improved over the time of Songsu and Sampoong. WangKon,

True, Songsu and Sampoong not shining examples, but they were some time ago, and it was these incidents which prompted new regulations in korean construction. For example it is now law in korea for a Construction Supervisor to be appointed who is legally liable for ensuring designs are followed by the Contractors and safety maintained.

How well they do this is up for debate, however the situation is clearly much improved over the time of Songsu and Sampoong.

]]> By: Arghaeri http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147726 Arghaeri Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:39:47 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147726 #75 Brendon, Agreed, however the plan is to phase completion of the towers so they won't drop on the market simultaneously. If you're interested in the plans, artists impressions etc. go to www.ifcseoul.com Tower 1 is 32 storey & 186m high Tower 2 is 29 storey & 176m high Tower 3 is 55 storey & 279m high Hotel is 38 storey & 199m high In addition there is the IFC Mall - Mixed Leisure, Shopping, Cinema etc at B1, B2 & B3 and fourlevel of Parking etc at levels B4-B7 and an underground connection to the subway at Yeouido Station. #75 Brendon,

Agreed, however the plan is to phase completion of the towers so they won’t drop on the market simultaneously.

If you’re interested in the plans, artists impressions etc. go to http://www.ifcseoul.com

Tower 1 is 32 storey & 186m high
Tower 2 is 29 storey & 176m high
Tower 3 is 55 storey & 279m high
Hotel is 38 storey & 199m high

In addition there is the IFC Mall - Mixed Leisure, Shopping, Cinema etc at B1, B2 & B3
and fourlevel of Parking etc at levels B4-B7 and an underground connection to the subway at Yeouido Station.

]]> By: WangKon936 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147714 WangKon936 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:53:25 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147714 Okay, correction. I mean it was bad engineering DUE to corruption and negligence at the top. Okay, correction. I mean it was bad engineering DUE to corruption and negligence at the top.

]]> By: WangKon936 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147710 WangKon936 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:46:47 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147710 It may very well be that concrete rebar is better then steel construction in certain situations. As I remember, the World Trade Centers were in all steel frame and when the fire got hot enough, it stressed the steel frame where it fell apart. Concrete rebar may have given people exiting more time. With the proper management and funding I think Korean civil engineering can be world class. The unfortunate failures of Songsu and Sampoong was largely due to corruption and negligence at the top, not bad engineering. It may very well be that concrete rebar is better then steel construction in certain situations. As I remember, the World Trade Centers were in all steel frame and when the fire got hot enough, it stressed the steel frame where it fell apart. Concrete rebar may have given people exiting more time.

With the proper management and funding I think Korean civil engineering can be world class. The unfortunate failures of Songsu and Sampoong was largely due to corruption and negligence at the top, not bad engineering.

]]> By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147688 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:49:16 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147688 <b>Arghaeri</b> -- Anyway, Parc 1 and the AIG Finance Center (I hadn't seen any drawings for the AIG project -- four 40-story towers?) will be dropping a whole lot of first-class office space onto the same few blocks of the Yeoido market in a short period of time. It will be interesting to see what that does to the Class-B and Class-C rents on Yeoido, and whether they are able to pull some finance-related companies away from Kwanghwamun and Teheran-no. I think they will definitely be successful, because the modern economy demands more flexibility than older Korean buildings (even those built up to 1998) are able to deliver -- like more than one electrical outlet, and phone wiring that isn't cast into the concrete floor. <b>Sperwer</b> -- Only one of the Petronas Towers was built by Samsung Engineering. The other was put up by a Japanese construction company. And don't forget, the construction company is not responsible for the design -- that's the architect Cesar Pelli's job. I know it's fun to bash the Koreans, but in the case of Petronas you're off target. Reinforced-concrete is a lot stiffer than steel-frame construction. I don't imagine that the Petronas Towers sway much at all. And the Klang Valley is not seismically active so earthquake seems a far-fetched risk anyway. Arghaeri — Anyway, Parc 1 and the AIG Finance Center (I hadn’t seen any drawings for the AIG project — four 40-story towers?) will be dropping a whole lot of first-class office space onto the same few blocks of the Yeoido market in a short period of time. It will be interesting to see what that does to the Class-B and Class-C rents on Yeoido, and whether they are able to pull some finance-related companies away from Kwanghwamun and Teheran-no. I think they will definitely be successful, because the modern economy demands more flexibility than older Korean buildings (even those built up to 1998) are able to deliver — like more than one electrical outlet, and phone wiring that isn’t cast into the concrete floor.

Sperwer — Only one of the Petronas Towers was built by Samsung Engineering. The other was put up by a Japanese construction company. And don’t forget, the construction company is not responsible for the design — that’s the architect Cesar Pelli’s job. I know it’s fun to bash the Koreans, but in the case of Petronas you’re off target.

Reinforced-concrete is a lot stiffer than steel-frame construction. I don’t imagine that the Petronas Towers sway much at all. And the Klang Valley is not seismically active so earthquake seems a far-fetched risk anyway.

]]> By: dda http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147683 dda Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:26:44 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147683 <blockquote>Actually, contrary to the above the tallest building in Korea is in Pyongyang, North Korea.</blockquote>Well the tallest UNFINISHED building, maybe. But my definition of building would be less all-encompassing, and include only structures that are finished, and, possibly in use...

Actually, contrary to the above the tallest building in Korea is in Pyongyang, North Korea.

Well the tallest UNFINISHED building, maybe. But my definition of building would be less all-encompassing, and include only structures that are finished, and, possibly in use…

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147682 Sperwer Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:24:44 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147682 PS: I suspect that I am smarter than many (most?) engineers, precisely because I am acutely and carefully aware of the limits of both my intelligence and my knowledge PS: I suspect that I am smarter than many (most?) engineers, precisely because I am acutely and carefully aware of the limits of both my intelligence and my knowledge

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147680 Sperwer Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:21:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147680 Well in Korea, it doesn't have to be that big to fall down because of faulty engineering and construction techniques, e.g., Songsu Bridge and Sampoong Dept Store. Well in Korea, it doesn’t have to be that big to fall down because of faulty engineering and construction techniques, e.g., Songsu Bridge and Sampoong Dept Store.

]]> By: cmm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147676 cmm Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:16:52 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/15/korea-skyscraper-hub-of-asia/#comment-147676 suddenly sperwer is smarter than engineers. how many skyscrapers have fallen down because of flawed engineering? suddenly sperwer is smarter than engineers. how many skyscrapers have fallen down because of flawed engineering?

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