I do not know why, but this really pisses me off. Excuse me for being a little impolite, all my snarkiness went to the title.
At the time the Korean-US FTA was agreed to, Korea got some resolution to one of its pressing issues. The US agreed to make Korea part of its visa waver program after constant Korean requests and the constant denials since Korea did not meet well established standards. Given the fact it was discussed as part of the FTA talks, I assume, and hope my government is not as stupid as it appears sometimes, that the US got something in exchange for violating well established standards.
Now, as you may know, the FTA is in deep doo-doo. Note the rather strong talk in Congress:
Jason Kearns, trade counselor to the House Committee on Ways and Means, compared the trading history with the Asian nation to “whack a mole.” One barrier is put in place, the U.S. negotiates to eliminate it, “only to find another one is put in place instead,” he said at a forum at the Heritage Foundation. The history has been “long and not particularly pretty,” he said.
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These technical barriers to trade, Kearns said, are hard to litigate, and there is not much incentive to do so “if the expectation is that another mole is simply going to crop up as soon as the case is over.” Dennis Halpin, a Republican professional staff member for the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said South Korean President Lee Myung-bak may not get ahead much on the FTA when he visits Washington later this month.
Now the most galling part of the piece:
”The consolation prize will be the visa waiver. They are probably going to sign an MOU (memorandum of understanding),” Halpin said.
South Korea wants to be included in the U.S. visa waiver program, which would allow its citizens to visit and stay in the U.S. without visas for up to 90 days.
So let me get this straight, we give a gift as part of the bargin. The bargin is a dead duck, AND YET THEY STILL GET THE GIFT!!! WTF!
You know, I was just appathetic on the FTA, now I’m angry.
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But Dram, just think about what’s going to happen to the price of a rub and tug in Springfield once all those, ahem, “professionals” show up.
Yeah the Spitz may only have to pay $3000 next time.
I don’t know if Halpin is enough of an authority on this to get angry about it yet. You’re right though, it doesn’t make since. I especially wouldn’t like it since U.S. citizens can only stay in Korea for THIRTY days without a visa.
And the price of a rub in tug in Korea, when all the “professionals” head for the US?
‘But Dram, just think about what’s going to happen to the price of a rub and tug in Springfield once all those, ahem, “professionals” show up.’ expat wedge
now here we have the expat once again implying korean women are whores. this is expat mantra #5678 which is, ‘every korean woman is a whore except my girlfriend’. tks, tsk, tsk….
what’s wrong korea getting the waiver? what’s it to you? how will you be personally affected? i think there are more important things to blow a gasket about. for instance, blowing up at hyundai getting top ten at consumer might be a good topic.
dram, you know, i love your posts and do encourage you to continue.
your friend
pawi
“blowing up at hyundai getting top ten at consumer”
What is that supposed to mean? As for the women, you can have em, pawi. More trouble than their little rear-ends are worth.
Not every korean woman is a whore, Pawi. Only the ones who have sex for money (or a green card, or a prada bag, or a promotion or, in North Korea’s case, a meal).
Just like not every expat is a jizzbrain horndog, and not every nationalist Korean speaks in blanket generalizations ranging from mildly to wildly offensive.
But you’re right about two things:
1. Dram_man’s comment (#2) was friggin’ hilarious.
2. there’s no reason to have a problem with giving Korea the visa waiver (except that it was originally tied in with an FTA that’s proven a gong show from start to finish).
Frankly, I’d be happier if both Korea and America would either shit or get off the pot, ratify or cancel, and quit the hemming and hawing already, before another taxi driver sets himself on fire.
“what’s wrong korea getting the waiver?”
In this case, what’s RIGHT with the U.S. allowing South Korea into the Visa Waiver Program, especially when the House thinks South Korea isn’t trading fairly? Other than by giving LMB a consolation prize that Koreans will appreciate in order to keep him from losing face, why would the House think this is a good idea? Is this the start of an American Sunshine Policy towards the LMB administration?
Why is this in the best interest of the American people?
I’d be in favor of giving them the waiver. I’m not an American and it isn’t my call, but Koreans in Canada - legal or illegal - don’t seem to cause much trouble. Generally, they seem to work pretty hard and aren’t among those usually associated - fairly or unfairly - with abusing the system. As in the US, Korean Canadians have been, for the most part, a success story.
Aside from a few blips here and there, South Korea has been - understandably, of course - a pretty decent American ally over the last five or six decades. They are a major trading partner, and a major purchaser of US arms in particular.
There won’t be a massive influx of hookers, I suspect (not as if that would be the end of the world!) Korea isn’t the impoverished country it once was, and most women these days are not in the industry. I reckon working girls can make a better and safer living in Korea than they can in the United States.
Amazingly, assuming that trade agreements really are tied to the waiver program, it may be American politicians who wind up politicizing the FTA more than Korean ones. It may be that Korea needs it more than the US, but one tends to associate economic protectionism with Korea more so than with America.
I’m in favor of keeping these Korean criminals, rapists, trash and hookers out. In fact, bar them all from coming in and dirtying up the US.
Koreans make up a large number of people that ‘overstay’ their visas. My wife was denied twice for a tourist visa.
While waiting for an interview last month, at the embassy, she remarked that she would be very upset if they turned her down for a third time.
She asked me: Why won’t they give me a tourist visa? I replied that she should ask her good friend (been in America for 9 years illegally, over staying her tourist visa) that question.
I think they should get the waiver (going through the interview process is tedious at best) but, hey, a few rotten apples have spoiled the barrel.
Koreans make up a large number of people that ‘overstay’ their visas. My wife was denied twice for a tourist visa.
While waiting for an interview last month, at the embassy, she remarked that she would be very upset if they turned her down for a third time.
She asked me: Why won’t they give me a tourist visa? I replied that she should ask her good friend (been in America for 9 years illegally, over staying her tourist visa) that question.
I think they should get the waiver (going through the interview process is tedious at best) but, hey, a few rotten apples have spoiled the barrel.
Koreans make up a large number of people that ‘overstay’ their visas. My wife was denied twice for a tourist visa.
While waiting for an interview last month, at the embassy, she remarked that she would be very upset if they turned her down for a third time.
She asked me: Why won’t they give me a tourist visa? I replied that she should ask her good friend (been in America for 9 years illegally, over staying her tourist visa) that question.
I think they should get the waiver (going through the interview process is tedious at best) but, hey, a few rotten apples have spoiled the barrel.
Koreans make up a large number of people that ‘overstay’ their visas. My wife was denied twice for a tourist visa.
While waiting for an interview last month, at the embassy, she remarked that she would be very upset if they turned her down for a third time.
She asked me: Why won’t they give me a tourist visa? I replied that she should ask her good friend (been in America for 9 years illegally, over staying her tourist visa) that question.
I think they should get the waiver (going through the interview process is tedious at best) but, hey, a few rotten apples have spoiled the barrel.
I felt so strongly about my ideas that I had to post them 4 times….sorry folks. Internet probs.
@10 I’m not sure para. 3 is entirely correct: “Regarding the global human trafficking problem with Korean prostitutes, a US Immigation official conceded in 2006 that “There’s a highly organized logistical network between Korea and the United States with recruiters, brokers, intermediaries, taxi drivers and madams.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....outh_Korea Not necessarily reliable but there’s always: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/.....04-report/
#17 - I’m not claiming it doesn’t exist - and, there are plenty of organized crime networks operating between the US and other countries regardless of visa waiver status - but I don’t anticipate a massive influx of Korean prostitutes to the United States.
“I’m in favor of keeping these Korean criminals, rapists, trash and hookers out. In fact, bar them all from coming in and dirtying up the US.”
Some Koreans would make the same kind of blanket statements about foreigners, wouldn’t they?
but hey, my gf is pretty happy she can go to the States now and visit her relatives …
this also means more whores.
and more whores means cheaper whores.
that’s good for everyone. except the whores.
but also remember, what USA giveth can also be taketh. and im sure someone’s thinking this would be a nice thing to threat So-Ko with.
So how long can Americans stay in Korea without a visa? Will that also increase to 90 days?
I could’ve sworn I had the first comment on this thread, and I think Dram and others (#8 for instance) will back me up. Who is this “Rick Swerve” and what planet is he from”?
Not that being first means anything, but nobody should fuck with the temporal fabric here.
Source: http://benmuse.typepad.com/kor.....icanc.html
In the summer of 2007, Congress passed and President Bush signed H.R. 1 (P.L. 110-53), the Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act of 2007, which includes a provision (§711) that reforms the VWP by, among other measures, allowing the Secretary of Homeland Security to waive the refusal rate requirement The VWP clause in P.L. 110-53 would ease regulations to allow countries allied with the U.S. in its war on terror to be included in the VWP — even if their visa rejection rate was higher than 3 percent. The bill moved the rejection rate up to 10 percent — which the ROK easily passed with a 3.5 reject rate.
However, P.L. 110-53 that the refusal rate waivers can only be granted after the United States implements an exit system at its airports that can verify the departure of not less than 97% of foreign nationals that exit through U.S. airports, and after the United States establishes an electronic travel authorization system. Many argue the implementation of both systems is still years away.
Source: http://english.yonhapnews.co.k.....0315F.HTML
South Korea hopes to join the VWP by the end of this year but U.S. officials leave the door open for a delay. “It will take some time. I anticipate that the visa waiver program will be available for Korean citizens at the very earliest in late 2008 or early 2009,” Julia R. Stanley, consul general of the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, said in an earlier interview at her office. “I think it would be very prudent to say early 2009 because there is considerable work to be done.” The date South Korea joins the VWP depends on the pace of the preparations by both sides, she added.
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Thus from the bits above, you can see that the US has some work to do before the VWP for Korea kicks in — and the US is waffling on implementation.
As to MOU’s, remember that the ROK signed an MOU with the US dealing with the closure of Yongsan in 1990. Unfortunately, at the time it was a case of NIMBY — even Pyeongtaek’s Mayor and City Council refused to accept the GIs in their community threatening protests. Things returned to the status quo. MOU’s are not things set in concrete.
Korean women can be frustrating sometimes. The male kyopo can be sympathetic to the situation.
The picture link below summarizes what Korean women essentially are:
http://thegrandnarrative.files.....ashion.jpg
Btw… if you don’t know, I’m j/k.
The US must be one of a handful of countries that does not have exit passport controls at every international point of entry.
Hey Dram, if this “really pisses you off”, then you really need to get a good blow job.
Last Saturday, the NYC version of the Hankook Ilbo had the following headline on the front page:
“Over 90% of women arrested on suspicion of prostitution on Long Island are Chinese or Korean.”
…and pregnant women rejoiced.
What is disturbing about Korea’s version of prostitution is that when it comes to U.S. shores, it stations itself too close to suburbia. Given that Korea doesn’t have as defined suburbian and urban zones as the U.S., Korean’s don’t have as much experience in dividing the vice from nests of family dwellings.
There are way too many ads in the Korean papers here in the states for whore houses in heavily suburban Fullerton and Garden Grove…
Koreans got money.
They can come to the States and spend some won.
Racists don’t understand economics and free trade. That is why they still live in trailer parks.
Dram man, hug a bunny tonigt.
There are some people who are taking advantage of the system as it is. Because it is presently so difficult to get a visa there are unscrupulous individuals who assist the desperate, then confiscate their passport and visa and make these unfortunates indentured sexual servants. The visa waiver can eliminate some of this. Do you think people want to go to the states just to become something they can easily be over here?
Sad to hear that about Fullerton and Garden Grove. I lived in Northeast Orange County in the 70s and it was idyllic … certainly no whorehouses.
Tell me again, baduk, about how unrestricted Korean immigration has improved the U.S.
You people have no idea what you ruined.
Wedge> Yeah that was weird. I used my admin super powers to restore the space-time fabric just in time to advert tragedy.
I apologize to everyone for possibly disturbing the reference number address system used here at the hole.
The US must be one of a handful of countries that does not have exit passport controls at every international point of entry.
I was staying illegaly in september, 2001, and was due to fly out on the weekend after the attacks. My flight was delayed of course, and it took about a day to get from Newport Beach to LAX because of the security, but from the time I stepped out of the door of my apartment and into the cabin of the 747 bound for London, my visa wasn’t checked once, and from memory my passport was only given a cursory glance.
Exit passport controls are one of the best ways of preventing illegal immigration. Nothing like knowing you won’t get checked on your way out to encourage you to stay on a litle bit longer. It certainly stops repeat offenders. Not sure why the states doesn’t use it.
#29
Here’s one for you baduk.
I have contractors come to Korea every month to work on a rotation basis. When their visas come up for renewal, they take their tax statements down and pay the fee, all is well. Well one of my operations is outside of Seoul and the immigration office got a new weenie who does not believe my guys are applying for the correct visa. Does the weenie assist us or direct us to the type of visa he thinks we need? No fucking way.
Now I am out millions of Won to the local law firm who takes my money and magically we get the visa we applied for. So when I hear about Koreans who think it is their birthright to travel to my country, I laugh. Korea is still a backwater when it comes to immigration and commerce. So when people are bleating that they can’t get tourists visas to go to my country, I have zero sympathy. I have to jump through hoops to legally bring my contractors over FTA or not.
The US (and Canada for that matter) may not have exit passport control but the airlines have all your info in the system and pass it directly to Homeland Security/Citizenship and Immigration Canada, who, incidentally, have their databases linked. If there is somebody they are looking for, they will get him/her.
Here is an example: Last week while getting off a plane at Seattle from Taipei, US border guards were in the skyway looking for a particular person. When they found him, the escorted him away to a private place. They didn’t have to wait for him to go through passport control. They already know who they are looking for long before the person gets on the plane.
@#35:
See comment #33 by Hojusaram. US Border Patrol is only interested in criminal/terrorist suspects, not people who’ve overstayed their visas. Korea, China, and many other countries impose hefty fines on foreigners who overstay their visas. Save for the occasional “let’s pretend we’re doing something” pesky raids on meat packing plants and expensive, ugly fences, our government does not do anything to deter people from coming here or staying here illegally. Given the positions of all three candidates, I am not optimistic that this will change at the national level, which is why so many states and localities are addressing the issue themselves.
# 31,
Trying to figure out what Dogbert is trying to say. If he interprets what I’ve said to mean that Koreans have turned the sleepy neighborhoods of Fullerton and GG into red light districts, that’s not the case.
Fullerton was a city that was undergoing a lot of demographic change because many of the high paying aerospace jobs left California after the conclusion of the Cold War. Whites were leaving the city and Hispanics were coming into the south and Koreans into the north. Koreans moved into Fullerton after the LA riots and North OC seemed a bit more welcoming then the mean streets of LA. If it wasn’t for the Korean migration, Fullerton would probably have a lot more Hispanics and look more like Santa Ana or Stanton. The bigger high schools of Fullerton, namely Troy and Sunny Hills, have very high Korean populations and not incidently, some of the highest test scores of the state. North Fullerton real estate prices are also highest in North OC (save Anaheim Hills and Brea). I can tell you that the white hold overs in Fullerton are a lot more happier that Koreans moved into the area and bought up their over priced houses then certain other (to be unnamed) ethnic groups who would of lowered their home values and HS test scores. Plus, we Koreans typically don’t squeeze 10 families into one single family home.
As far as GG is concerned, a lot of Vietnamese have moved in. The Vietnamese came to the U.S. in two phases, a more higher educated one just after the fall of Saigon and a lot less educated wave in the early eighties. Thus, the typical Vietnamese immigrant today has a comparatively lower socioeconomic background, with the accompanying real estate effect and education test scores to boot.
Korean whore houses (at least in the North OC suburbs) are pretty much invisible and very discrete. They are not like American ones, which are decidedly a lot more visible and a lot less discrete. Something to do with keeping up appearances in the confucian tradition I suppose.
You’ll be happy to know that all this demographic change hasn’t made North OC more sexualized. You remember that strip along Chapman Ave with all the sex shops? Gone. Maybe it was because most of the customers were creepy white guys?… don’t know.
Nothing like a little model minority boasting, Wanggon.
Sonagi,
Aren’t you being a little selective in your analysis?
Was I being model minority boasting here?
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/.....ent-145900
I agree with Sonagi about the authorities caring about suspects and not people on overstayed visas. The whole system seems to work on the basis of someone suspicious walking into your arms by chance, though, not on the basis of enforcing the rules. There was just an article here a few weeks ago about how people in the states can’t get a car because their name is similar to a name on some government list. It’s not about actually going and finding people who are doing something illegal; it’s about sitting back and waiting for them to need/do something.
Kalani - do you know where I can find those statistics for other countries?
What is a “visa waver”? Something like a Mexican wave?
Do any white guys go to these Asian establishments?
If Koreans are becoming such big problems turning the entire USA into one giant whore house, then something must be done about it. Just ban Koreans period. Visas or no Visas. Do not allow Koreans into the US, period. All the problems of prostitutions solved.
All I know is you people have changed the character of the areas to which you’ve emigrated en masse, and not always to the better, as you so arrogantly claim.
Wangkon’s argument proved my point — minorities move in, white flight ensues, the area’s standard of living drops. He’s basically saying we should be thankful more Koreans moved in than did Mexicans. Doesn’t change my point that it was a more peaceful, livable area before that. No, we don’t have to be grateful to Koreans for deigning to grace our shores, you arrogant p.o.s.
There’s something you guys can do to prevent the white flight.
You guys should breed more within your own race and make more white babies. Trying to marry and breed with Korean whores doesn’t help that situation one bit.
Hush, cm. While living in Korea and China, my white girlfriends and I would sometimes see a WM/AF couple and chuckle to ourselves about how we’d like to go over to the woman and thank her for taking him out of the dating pool.
hahahaha.
#46 One woman’s trash is another woman’s treasure…
No doubt sonagi’s friend was one of those rarely-seen non-obese Western women in Korea who both washed her hair more often than once a fortnight and had decent skin.
dogbert,
So just exactly what is your vision of a perfect America? Nothing but red states all the time?
You know Hitler early on use to think that America was the ideal vision of a racially pure state since he thought that it was composed mostly of Northern Europeans. However, to his horror, and upon closer examination, he discovered that the U.S. was full of a lot of jews and Southern Europeans as well and concluded that it would have to be the next logical target after Russia.
#5 Why do your people here in Korea care so much about expats.
Remember #5, alomst half a million illegal Koreans are in the US. Those are stats from your government, not the US government.
So that’s why people care as a Korean-Chameleon, you probably already know that though.
“Why do your people here in Korea care so much about expats.”
That’s because a bulk of the English language commentary on Korea, it’s politics and culture is coming from expats. Like everything, they say good and bad things, but the ones that spend a lot of time expounding the negatives are particularly vocal about it.
Thus, Koreans want to better understand the expats’ motivations, rationale, and background better to see if their opinions have any validity or usefulness or if it’s just rantings that should be paid no heed.
@Wangkon:
“Red states”? It has nothing to do with political ideology. We had democrats and republicans, leftists and rightists, long before the first Korean set his feet upon our shores. And besides, aren’t the majority of kyopi somewhat right of center?
So Dogbert, what do you mean by “We”?
Does that mean the first fellows that stepped off the Mayflower? The Framers and Founders back in the late 18th century? The 2nd or 3rd generation descendents of Irish or Italian ghetto dwellers in Boston and NY?
We, or E.Pluribus Unum (which is what I think you are referring to), are an eclectic mix. You seem to have a very narrow definition. Care to share?
I can’t respect a viewpoint that is not valuable enough where it cannot be logically articulated.
“alomst half a million illegal Koreans are in the US.”
Where did you pull those numbers out from? Because they’re way off.
Lol while reading this, I was suddenly reminded me of the opening scene of “Gangs of New York”.
Dogbert: On my challenge, by the ancient laws of combat, we are met at this chosen ground to settle for good and all who holds sway, over the Fullerton and Garden Grove. Us Natives, born rightwise to this fine land….or the foreign hordes defiling it!
WangKon: Under the ancient laws of combat I accept the challenge of the so called Natives. You plague our people at every turn! But from this day out, you shall plague us no more! Let it be known, that the hand that tries to strike us from this land… shall be swiflty cut down!
Dogbert: Then may the Christian Lord, guide my hand, against you Korean-Americans!
WangKon: Prepare to receive the true Lord!
I guarantee you that the white flight from Anaheim, Fullerton and Garden Grove happened before Koreans moved in. I lived in Anaheim back in the sixties and it was some tract homes and alot of orange groves. They’d just built Anaheim Stadium.
I came back about ten years later and aerospace was starting to move out. There were alot of empty houses and empty buildings. For awhile things got a bit seedy but I’d say from statistics things are much nicer now. Kind of coinciding with the influx from Korea. Say what you will about the Koreans in Korea but the ones who have the stones to go to America and make a go of it are pretty decent citizens for the most part. Very enthusiastic Americans.
I used to work for Fry’s Electronics which is where they used to build the space shuttles just off the 91. Prices went down and hispanics and asians moved in after that.
It wasn’t white folks fleeing because, “There goes the neighborhood”. Where would they go? Where in California are you gonna go in this day and age where it’s all Stepford White? Fresno, Bakersfield, Modesto? You’ll be bored to death and those towns run on Mexican labor. Tell you what, I’ll be moving back to San Diego which has got a decidedly interracial flavor and be happy to do it. It’s basically Tijuana del Norte. It was hispanic when we took it and it’s very hispanic and other assorted cultures now. I happen to like it although it is a tad expensive.
@Wangkon:
“We” simply means Americans other than Korean immigrants. Don’t be dense. I simply meant that we had the “red state-blue state” division before mass Korean immigration . . . my disagreement with mass Korean immigration has nothing to do with political viewpoints.
@bumfromkorea:
Very funny!!
Ahh….days of working in Garbage Grove at Euclid and the road who’s name escapes me.
As I recall in the 90’s the Koreatown along Garden Grove Blvd. was pretty nice, albeit a little dingy, especially that stretch east of Beach Blvd. However, there was in that area around and on Harbor Bvld. A few adult bookshops and a “Bikini Bar”. Never went there, I usually went to the fully nude place in Westminister across the way from a killer (New) Mexican place called Anita’s (actualy a branch of the orginal in Fullerton). There was a “tanning salon” (ran by a Veitnamese gang I think) on a side street behind a gas station on Euclid. It was just north of McFadden (Trask?).
Funniest thing I could think of working for a Korean company in that area was the food. Sure I had my share of Korean food, but the places everyone craved to eat at was the Yoshinoya on Harbor, and more imporantly the old school In-N-Out Burger.
Actualy I take that back, what was the funniest was the surrealism when entering the non-discript business park. At the entrance were these non-discript white business fronts and parking lots that were turned into Veitnamese discos. I would come to work about 8:30am and they would play Veitnamese dance music at full volume. To make the scene even more incongruous was the only customers at every disco was a handful of old (like 70) Veitnamese men drinking coffee outside in the sun just by the door.
Oh wait I am sorry, a bit of a tanget. Go back to calling each other names before I start about living in Fullerton as well.
bum,
That was funny!
Dram_man,
Never knew there we so many North OC exiles here. Anyways, Koreatown in GG is a bit cleaner now, but it’s shrinking since Koreas are moving into Irvine and Newport Beach in South OC. On the corners of Beach Blvd. and Brookhurst there are a few Vietnamese beach heads which I predict will expand over time. Everyone craved to eat at Yoshinoya? Ewww… Bacon has more meat on it then the typical yaki in a Yoshinoya beef bowl. In-N-Out burgers continue to be both high quality and consistent across the board. Probably has something to do with the fact that the Snyder family refuses to sell it to corporate concerns.
In-N-Out seems to dominate even here in Arizona. There’s only two stores open (I think) in entire Phoenix Area, and the place is PACKED (as in, if you go in and give an order and your number is 251, they’re calling for order 110 at the counter) 24/7. No exaggeration here - Once my friends and I went there at 3 am in the morning, and it was still packed like that… and it was wednesday night! (… actually, thursday morning)
The day the Snyder family / estate sells the restaurant (for a huge price no doubt) will be the day that the quality of the food starts to decline… and that will be a sad day.
Yeah, I never figured out the Yoshinoya myself. I did enjoy however introducing my Korean workmates to the “off menu” items at In-N-Out.
Animal style burger and fries all the way!
Reminds me of another story to prattle on about.
On the way to LAX on the 405 there is a huge In-N-Out sign for a resturan (on Hawthorne I think). Once I stopped there on a flight to Detroit and picked up a few DD’s to go. This was in the days when you could arrive like 30 minutes before your flight. So I cruised into the lot, ran to the plane, and then when aloft as people were deciding “Chicken Puke or Fish Crap” and if “would you like red colored lighter fluid” for wine I sat down to two DD’s and an coke. The looks I got from people were just evil.
After that experince for every LAX flight I ate at In-N-Out on Hawthorne BEFORE the flight.
Anybody ever tried a Fatburger? I used to go to the one in San Clemente on the way to San Diego to see my Dad. Had to ask for it to be char-broiled though. I think those burgers are starting to kill me now. But when I get to LAX and take my wife down to Low-Cal in the rent-a-car I’m gonna stop there again. The onion rings were deadly too.
What is it about burgers and breakfast in LA? Not only In-n-Out and Fatburger, but what about Tommy’s? Anybody that puts a fried egg and bacon on three patties is AOK in my book.
And then there’s the excellent brekkie joints found up and down PCH, with Joe’s in Redondo my personal favorite: four-egg omelettes and huge bricks of hash browns, ummmmm… hash browns [slobbers into unconscious…
Cause that’s what we miss, isn’t it? I’m not looking forward to sun-dried tomatoes, pesto or wood brick oven pizza, I want a decent American breakfast and a burger that isn’t pre-made and wafer thin. And some onion rings! I guess I could go to Outback and get their onion blossom for ten bucks but it wouldn’t be the same. Hey, and a carne asada burrito from one of those places that used to be a Taco Bell and is now a Roberto’s or Rigoberto’s.
Wahoo’s fish tacos on Bristol in Costa Mesa. A couple of those with a Dos Equis amber would be nice right now.
Wahoo’s, yes, I fondly remember that joint. The cashier was an ex-Coldwell Banker in-house counsel who left the fast track for a simple existence.
Wahoo’s? In that complex with with the Japanese supermarket (Yohan’s?). Not bad, but my favorite was Pesco Majado in Santa Ana. Beautiful grilled fish with a side of rice, beans, and a few tortillas?
Wahoos was founded by two Chinese guys. Imagine that, huh?
Dram, the Japanese supermarket is now called Mitsuwa. Great place to get some curry katsu is a sea of Mexican and Italian eateries that is South OC.
Actualy the place to go for a good Japanese style curry (as odd as that phrase sounds) was a place in a strip mall in Los Alamitos (Cypress?) where all the Japanese companies were.
The In-N-Out talk reminds me something that always bothered me. I know there is one in Barstow, but why was there never an In-N-Out in Baker where one is sorely needed? Reminds me of the great “Does Bun Boy Suck?” question.
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