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	<title>Comments on: Seoul Tells North to Stick Apology Demand Where Sun Don&#8217;t Shine</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JiMong</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/02/seoul-tells-north-to-stick-apology-demand-where-sun-dont-shine/#comment-145706</link>
		<dc:creator>JiMong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 "... it will push korean stocks down again. the next few months may be a good time to start poking around for companies connected to LMB. "

Yup! Maybe, NK playing this card to get some commissions from invisible hands. And perfect timing as the election is just few days away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 &#8220;&#8230; it will push korean stocks down again. the next few months may be a good time to start poking around for companies connected to LMB. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yup! Maybe, NK playing this card to get some commissions from invisible hands. And perfect timing as the election is just few days away.</p>
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		<title>By: rmeurant</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/02/seoul-tells-north-to-stick-apology-demand-where-sun-dont-shine/#comment-145686</link>
		<dc:creator>rmeurant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"North Korea makes warship claim"

North Korea has accused Seoul of sending warships into its waters, amid a growing row between the countries...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7327848.stm

The Marmot is undoubtedly psychic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;North Korea makes warship claim&#8221;</p>
<p>North Korea has accused Seoul of sending warships into its waters, amid a growing row between the countries&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7327848.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asi.....327848.stm</a></p>
<p>The Marmot is undoubtedly psychic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eujin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/02/seoul-tells-north-to-stick-apology-demand-where-sun-dont-shine/#comment-145659</link>
		<dc:creator>Eujin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38: Thought you might say that. I agree with the geopolitics comment.

Obviously the NPT doesn't have much clout with countries that don't sign up to it. Getting countries to sign up to it seems to have had some benefit in cases like South Africa and arguably Brazil and Argentina.

What little control the international community has over Iran is only augmented by having IAEA inspections. Don't forget that much of the legal basis for sanctions against the Iranians is based on the IAEA's contention that they have violated the NPT. Strangely the Iranians seem to put up with the NPT despite the fact that the Shah signed them up to the treaty in the first place.

The six party talks did get the Yongbyon reactor shut down (again). That's one less plutonium factory, which means less bombs, which means everyone round here has a greater change of living to a ripe old age.

The North Koreans probably don't have enough material for many bombs and the bombs they do make probably aren't too reliable, (as a kiloton scale test would seem to indicate). It's a lot harder to make the materials in secret than use the facilities every knows you've already got.

Call it meaningless if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38: Thought you might say that. I agree with the geopolitics comment.</p>
<p>Obviously the NPT doesn&#8217;t have much clout with countries that don&#8217;t sign up to it. Getting countries to sign up to it seems to have had some benefit in cases like South Africa and arguably Brazil and Argentina.</p>
<p>What little control the international community has over Iran is only augmented by having IAEA inspections. Don&#8217;t forget that much of the legal basis for sanctions against the Iranians is based on the IAEA&#8217;s contention that they have violated the NPT. Strangely the Iranians seem to put up with the NPT despite the fact that the Shah signed them up to the treaty in the first place.</p>
<p>The six party talks did get the Yongbyon reactor shut down (again). That&#8217;s one less plutonium factory, which means less bombs, which means everyone round here has a greater change of living to a ripe old age.</p>
<p>The North Koreans probably don&#8217;t have enough material for many bombs and the bombs they do make probably aren&#8217;t too reliable, (as a kiloton scale test would seem to indicate). It&#8217;s a lot harder to make the materials in secret than use the facilities every knows you&#8217;ve already got.</p>
<p>Call it meaningless if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: N. Korea&#8217;s Turn to Tell Seoul to F*ck Off, Warns of Military Response &#124; The Marmot's Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/02/seoul-tells-north-to-stick-apology-demand-where-sun-dont-shine/#comment-145638</link>
		<dc:creator>N. Korea&#8217;s Turn to Tell Seoul to F*ck Off, Warns of Military Response &#124; The Marmot's Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] South Korean military source says North Korea has refused to accept yesterday&#8217;s radio message from the head of the South Korea delegation to intra-Korean military talks, calling it &#8220;an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: N. Korea&#8217;s Turn to Tell Seoul to F*ck Off, Warns of Military Response &#124; The Marmot's Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/04/02/seoul-tells-north-to-stick-apology-demand-where-sun-dont-shine/#comment-145639</link>
		<dc:creator>N. Korea&#8217;s Turn to Tell Seoul to F*ck Off, Warns of Military Response &#124; The Marmot's Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] South Korean military source says North Korea has refused to accept yesterday&#8217;s radio message from the head of the South Korea delegation to intra-Korean military talks, calling it &#8220;an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38: "Seems to me who you let go nuclear and who you try to stop is a function of geopolitics."

I don't think the Maverick got that memo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38: &#8220;Seems to me who you let go nuclear and who you try to stop is a function of geopolitics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the Maverick got that memo.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Koehler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Koehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the Six-party talks are a waste of time then so was the whole NPT.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Frankly, I pretty much agree with that. The NPT hasn't stopped Chinese allies like North Korea and Pakistan going nuclear, and it hasn't mattered much with US allies like Israel and (I guess now) India. Seems to me who you let go nuclear and who you try to stop is a function of geopolitics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the Six-party talks are a waste of time then so was the whole NPT.</p></blockquote>
<p>Frankly, I pretty much agree with that. The NPT hasn&#8217;t stopped Chinese allies like North Korea and Pakistan going nuclear, and it hasn&#8217;t mattered much with US allies like Israel and (I guess now) India. Seems to me who you let go nuclear and who you try to stop is a function of geopolitics.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35: Well, one thing you both seem to agree on is strong border controls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35: Well, one thing you both seem to agree on is strong border controls.</p>
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		<title>By: Eujin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eujin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm certainly not arguing that the North needs the nukes, although I can understand why they may think they do if they read too many comments from mateofmiguel. I'm just pointing out that talking the talk about self-disarmament while at the same time having no intention of disarming is nothing new in nuclear arms negotiations. If the Six-party talks are a waste of time then so was the whole NPT. Having said that, I have no doubt that some round here will think that the NPT is a complete waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly not arguing that the North needs the nukes, although I can understand why they may think they do if they read too many comments from mateofmiguel. I&#8217;m just pointing out that talking the talk about self-disarmament while at the same time having no intention of disarming is nothing new in nuclear arms negotiations. If the Six-party talks are a waste of time then so was the whole NPT. Having said that, I have no doubt that some round here will think that the NPT is a complete waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Koehler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Koehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed I do. KJI asked me to say hi, BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed I do. KJI asked me to say hi, BTW.</p>
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